You know I've seen this and similar maps many times. It strikes me as odd why a few areas in a few states would think that they should force the majority to accept their "liberal logic". It's sort of like the few mandating how the majority will live. It's not unlike the Nazi's who mandated that the Jews were "sub-human", "had no rights" and "didn't deserve to be treated as humans". Not only are the liberals attempting to force their ways on everyone else but, they are using illegal means to do it.

In all the years since I turned 18, I have NEVER used a deceased person's identity to vote, NEVER forged a signature, NEVER voted for another person and NEVER, EVER voted more than once!

Quote from: RV on December 17, 2020, 06:07:42 AM
You know I've seen this and similar maps many times. It strikes me as odd why a few areas in a few states would think that they should force the majority to accept their "liberal logic". It's sort of like the few mandating how the majority will live. It's not unlike the Nazi's who mandated that the Jews were "sub-human", "had no rights" and "didn't deserve to be treated as humans". Not only are the liberals attempting to force their ways on everyone else but, they are using illegal means to do it.

In all the years since I turned 18, I have NEVER used a deceased person's identity to vote, NEVER forged a signature, NEVER voted for another person and NEVER, EVER voted more than once!

RV, use the quote function so others know what you're talking about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/18/rural-city-trump-voters/

Trump got more votes from those "blue islands" than all of the red area combined. Those "blue islands" are American.

Land doesn't vote, people do.

Quote from: Solar on December 17, 2020, 06:17:30 AM
RV, use the quote function so others know what you're talking about.

Gosh, I've never used the "quote" function before... I just assumed that people were following the thread and knew that I was referring to MANY maps such as the one used.

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 17, 2020, 07:55:05 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/18/rural-city-trump-voters/

Trump got more votes from those "blue islands" than all of the red area combined. Those "blue islands" are American.

Land doesn't vote, people do.

People lie cheat and steal too

Quote from: RV on December 17, 2020, 07:56:04 AM
Gosh, I've never used the "quote" function before... I just assumed that people were following the thread and knew that I was referring to MANY maps such as the one used.

Look up, your post was first on this page, so no one would know what you were referring to.
Just use it when responding, it makes it much easier to follow the flow of the conversation. It's simple etiquette.

The American left has an excellent teacher, a KGB lieutenant colonel, and now the permanent president of Russia, Vladimir Putin, the son of Vladimir.

What is the son of Vladimir so famous for?

And the fact that he subjugated all the mass media in Russia and even if the voices of the dissatisfied are heard somewhere, no one will ever hear them.

What made Russia the undivided fiefdom of Putin and his clan.

At the end of the 20th century and at the beginning of the 21st, America's great free press became a mouthpiece for leftist ideas that came from American universities and they ostracize or defame anyone who disagrees with them.

And the minds of left-wing boys, girls and old people, are subject, as Dostoevsky wrote, to the influence of demons.

And these demons are very active and inventive. These demons force their carriers to destroy what was built by the hands of their fathers and grandfathers. Destroy buildings, knock down historical monuments of their country, burn books that they, for some reason, do not like.

We, people of the older generation, know perfectly well what this will lead to, because humanity has gone through all this repeatedly - the guilty parties of the French Revolution, the extrajudicial shootings of the Russian Socialist Revolution, the Nazi extermination camp in Germany.

Then destruction, hunger, darkness for hundreds years  and a slow return to the natural course of human history.

All my life, as long as I can remember, I wanted to become an American.

In the 70s, this dream seemed unrealizable, in the 80s, too, and only in the early 90s there was hope. We submitted documents to the American Embassy, ​​which was then located only in Moscow, a petition for "family reunification." We (my family) filled out various documents, received some kind of certificates, underwent medical examinations, among which there was an AIDS test for my then young children and elderly parents.

Then came a wonderful day when we were finally invited to the American Embassy for an interview.

In the morning we went with the whole family for an interview, and in the evening we were told, "Your case has not received permission for the status of" Refugees ".

As I remember now, one thought came to my mind - "Because of these scoundrels of the Burocrats from the embassy, ​​I can now, forever, hate the USA, the country of my dreams."

But fortunately for us, on the very same day, Russian President Yeltsin decided to shoot his own Parliament from tanks.

Something, probably, in the head of the embassy workers clicked, they called at night right to our hotel room and said that they had given us permission to enter the United States as "refugees".

Not to say that our American life was easy, but within a few years everything worked out, we all (except our parents) found a job, first me, then my sister and wife, who, above all, had to retrain here for new specialties. But it was worth it, and now both of them work good jobs with decent wages.

Children, too, settled in this life normally, niece graduated from Harvard and became an architect, daughter is an artist, works in film making, son and both sons-in-law, programmers and IT.

Well, although I remained a simple worker in a large company, I had a decent salary, health insurance "for the whole family," and even had the opportunity to retire at 55.

What could be better?

But then something began that I could not imagine even in the worst dreams. The country seems to have gone mad, and the nightmare of socialism is rolling over us all, although not everyone understands this.

Many Americans, even those who are quite educated (although the level of American education is poor), simply do not understand what "socialism" is.

It seems to them that this is just such an economic system in which production belongs to the state, which wisely manages these industries and justly shares the fruits of the social product among all citizens of the country, regardless of their skin color, nose shape, religious and gender preferences.

But these people who think so, forget that the state is not artificial intelligence, without vices and flaws. That the state is people-managers who will manage production much worse than the former owners and who very soon turn into pseudo-owners who begin to divide the "social product" in their favor.

And ordinary people become small cogs of the system, who, for handouts from bureaucrats, will sell their souls.

It happened in Russia, it happened in China, it remains in Cuba and Venezuela.

There are no exceptions to this list.

Socialism in any of its forms - Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Maoism, brings with it hunger, devastation and mass murder.

"Extra eaters" appear, as in the communist Kampuchea, who simply need to be killed, because there will be hunger. And there is nothing to kill, so you need to kill "extra eaters" with shovels.

But these "extra eaters" could feed themselves until the "Planned Economy of Socialism" came to their country.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on December 17, 2020, 06:13:24 PM
It happened in Russia, it happened in China, it remains in Cuba and Venezuela.

There are no exceptions to this list.

Socialism in any of its forms - Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Maoism, brings with it hunger, devastation and mass murder.

"Extra eaters" appear, as in the communist Kampuchea, who simply need to be killed, because there will be hunger. And there is nothing to kill, so you need to kill "extra eaters" with shovels.

But these "extra eaters" could feed themselves until the "Planned Economy of Socialism" came to their country.

There are people who became LEGAL U.S. citizens by following the law. To ignore their struggle, their sincerity, their strength and their veracity by allowing illegals to become citizens is basically giving bank robbers medals for not stealing more money. Coming to this or ANY country illegally is wrong, illegal, immoral and criminal. A country based on law does NOT reward criminality! You became a U.S. citizen LEGALLY and deserve to be here, illegals do not!

Quote from: RV on December 17, 2020, 08:11:25 PM
There are people who became LEGAL U.S. citizens by following the law. To ignore their struggle, their sincerity, their strength and their veracity by allowing illegals to become citizens is basically giving bank robbers medals for not stealing more money. Coming to this or ANY country illegally is wrong, illegal, immoral and criminal. A country based on law does NOT reward criminality! You became a U.S. citizen LEGALLY and deserve to be here, illegals do not!

Shut down ALL immigration, legal and illegal.

Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on December 17, 2020, 05:57:48 PM
All my life, as long as I can remember, I wanted to become an American.

In the 70s, this dream seemed unrealizable, in the 80s, too, and only in the early 90s there was hope. We submitted documents to the American Embassy, ​​which was then located only in Moscow, a petition for "family reunification." We (my family) filled out various documents, received some kind of certificates, underwent medical examinations, among which there was an AIDS test for my then young children and elderly parents.

Then came a wonderful day when we were finally invited to the American Embassy for an interview.

In the morning we went with the whole family for an interview, and in the evening we were told, "Your case has not received permission for the status of" Refugees ".

As I remember now, one thought came to my mind - "Because of these scoundrels of the Burocrats from the embassy, ​​I can now, forever, hate the USA, the country of my dreams."

But fortunately for us, on the very same day, Russian President Yeltsin decided to shoot his own Parliament from tanks.

Something, probably, in the head of the embassy workers clicked, they called at night right to our hotel room and said that they had given us permission to enter the United States as "refugees".

Not to say that our American life was easy, but within a few years everything worked out, we all (except our parents) found a job, first me, then my sister and wife, who, above all, had to retrain here for new specialties. But it was worth it, and now both of them work good jobs with decent wages.

Children, too, settled in this life normally, niece graduated from Harvard and became an architect, daughter is an artist, works in film making, son and both sons-in-law, programmers and IT.

Well, although I remained a simple worker in a large company, I had a decent salary, health insurance "for the whole family," and even had the opportunity to retire at 55.

What could be better?

But then something began that I could not imagine even in the worst dreams. The country seems to have gone mad, and the nightmare of socialism is rolling over us all, although not everyone understands this.

Many Americans, even those who are quite educated (although the level of American education is poor), simply do not understand what "socialism" is.

It seems to them that this is just such an economic system in which production belongs to the state, which wisely manages these industries and justly shares the fruits of the social product among all citizens of the country, regardless of their skin color, nose shape, religious and gender preferences.

But these people who think so, forget that the state is not artificial intelligence, without vices and flaws. That the state is people-managers who will manage production much worse than the former owners and who very soon turn into pseudo-owners who begin to divide the "social product" in their favor.

And ordinary people become small cogs of the system, who, for handouts from bureaucrats, will sell their souls.

A terrific story of diligence and reverence. I welcome you and appreciate your wisdom.

Quote from: taxed on December 17, 2020, 08:12:27 PM
Shut down ALL immigration, legal and illegal.

WHAT? And not let terrorists in? The Democrats would never stand for it. There are too many innocent Americans that the Dems want killed!

Quote from: ModelCitizen on December 17, 2020, 07:55:05 AMLand doesn't vote, people do.

not anymore

Quote from: taxed on December 17, 2020, 08:12:27 PM
Shut down ALL immigration, legal and illegal.

Here you need to carefully look at the already created demographic situation in the country.

Many countries, the current recipients of emigration from the countries of the 3rd world, led by their not always wise rulers (Sweden Germany France ...), brought their own fertility situation to such a state that they themselves can no longer recover and they simply need an influx of fresh blood.

Another thing is that their rulers remained not very wise and instead of an influx of "labor" migration, they received a wave of occupation by crowds of wild cannibals.

Other countries, such as China, for example, do not need emigration and will manage with their own people for a long time.

The United States found itself in a very special situation. In the United States, there are already 3 separate and genetically little overlapping groups of the population, the number of which is in the tens of a million.

These are immigrants from Europe, immigrants from Africa and practically a new race, Hispanic inhabitants of Central and South America.

I'm not going to come up with any new racial theories here or repeat the bullshit the old ones, but to understand that people are not at all equal, this is not racism. This is just a statement of common sense.

People differ in muscle anatomy, genetic makeup and even, quite often, blood composition. And, of course, people differ in their brain activity.

(And this despite the fact that the mixing of all races and peoples on planet Earth gives a stable and viable offspring)

Liberals teach our children that all people are equal. In fact, there is no equality, and they themselves do not observe this equality for political reasons. The socialists considered the main people to be the proletariat, their current followers, the representatives of the so-called "racial" minorities or those unfortunate people who could not understand who they were, girls or boys.

(They are always looking for donkeys to carry them on their backs to the paradise of socialism.)

There are 330 million people in the USA. That is, quite a sufficient amount for the country to be self-sufficient without a large influx of immigration.

Jobs, too, is enough, at least it was before the arrival of the "Chinese" grip.

But. for some reason, many of the American people never found a job.

I have a comparison: An acquaintance of mine, about my age, was born in Brooklyn, fluent in his native English, who spent a significant part of his life on Welfer.

And I, a person who absolutely does not understand the English language, burdened with a family of young children with heart disease and multiple operations for kidney stones.

Yes, I didn't find a job in my specialty. Probably not looking well.

But I found a job for myself, worked there for 15 years, I have never been on unemployment benefits, and left there on a legal pension, where I am now.

I'm not bragging. There are a lot of immigrants like me from other countries.

Only among my friends are Ph.Ds for chemistry from Poland, Ph.Ds for economics from Germany, Ph.Ds for blood biology from Ukraine ...

And yes, we are all taking the place of Americans who, for whatever reason, chose to watch baseball rather than pursue an academic or technical degree.