Quote from: Solar on October 16, 2019, 04:55:58 AM
OMG...And there it is, those evil God Damned JOOOOOOSSSSSS.
Took you long enough to play the final Bigot card.
I hope you do a DNA test one day, but be prepared to hate yourself over the results.

Yes, Europe was successful, but if one looks at it today as compared to just a decade ago, the writing is on the wall. Why do you think Brexit is such a big deal?
Worldwide corruption has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with Marxism being Hell bent on the destruction of capitalistic Nations. Why do you think there's been such a huge push for global warming?
Again, this is just another Marxist plot to kill off productive societies. But think for a second,, who are the people pushing the Marxist agenda? White liberals... Wait, what? It's not a bunch of niggas, wet backs, slant eyes?
No you dumb ass racist, they're fuckin communists with a shared ideology and division of race is just one of their tactics. Do you even have a clue just how stupid you look to normal people that want a better life for anyone that comes here legally?
Yeah, you look the complete tool doing the bidding of the very people who want to destroy all our Founders have accomplished. Take a step back and look at what you're advocating for, you're in a Nation that welcomes people that share in our ideals and color of skin is irrelevant as long as they're wiling to work and contribute.

1. Just like the race thing, the Jew thing is objective fact. Kevin MacDonald has done the legwork on the issue, here's a good summary of his work http://www.returnofkings.com/62716/the-damaging-effects-of-jewish-intellectualism-and-activism-on-western-culture. Many other scholars and great thinkers have charted this pattern.

2. "what about your own ancestry" is a tired boomer/liberal comeback. I could be black, the truth would still be the truth. As the info gets out a lot of nonwhites are agreeing that white nations should remain white.

3. The point about Europe is it has been under attack for a long time.it was put through two devastating wars, and then infected with hardcore cultural marxism.  You began by trying to compare it with black or brown societies that have never produced anything. That comparison is idiotic.

4. Who are the people pushing Marxist agendas? Well, the theory, the money, the propaganda, is Jewish. Here's the background https://archive.org/details/BehindCommunism They recruit many non-Jewish dupes, but the source of the insanity is Jewish agendas. Even China was taught communism by Jewish agents out of Russia.

5. Racial animosity occurs when races are forced to share space, and then taught Marxist equality lies. This is a longstanding communist strategy. Guess who organized the civil rights movement? Guess who is organizing the migrant invasions? Guess who organized the end of apartheid? We can only live together if it is understood that we have different behaviors and intelligence levels. We can't live together if low IQ people are full of hate because they do not perform at the level of whites.

6. The number of nonwhites who come here to actually be Americans is very close to zero. Yes, many come to work and get money and hey like walmart and superhero movies. Less than 1% care about any part of US history, or any aspect of American values. They are here for the loot, and they laugh at the plight of America's traditional population.

You've been sold a bill of goods, boomer. You've been brainwashed into denying the most basic, obvious realities, and it's causing you to give away your nation and civilization.

Quote from: Shaw on October 16, 2019, 08:02:43 AM
1. Just like the race thing, the Jew thing is objective fact. Kevin MacDonald has done the legwork on the issue, here's a good summary of his work http://www.returnofkings.com/62716/the-damaging-effects-of-jewish-intellectualism-and-activism-on-western-culture. Many other scholars and great thinkers have charted this pattern.

Problem is, you do not differentiate between an NY JOO, or an actual Jew that practices the faith. Ny Joos are not actual Jews, they're Marxists at heart, see Rotchilds.

Quote2. "what about your own ancestry" is a tired boomer/liberal comeback. I could be black, the truth would still be the truth. As the info gets out a lot of nonwhites are agreeing that white nations should remain white.

You just contradicted yourself.

Quote3. The point about Europe is it has been under attack for a long time.it was put through two devastating wars, and then infected with hardcore cultural marxism.  You began by trying to compare it with black or brown societies that have never produced anything. That comparison is idiotic.

No son, the point was exposing your lie about race. Marxism is the root cause of all problems in all of Western culture. Race is merely a symptom of said policy of destroying Western culture.

Quote4. Who are the people pushing Marxist agendas? Well, the theory, the money, the propaganda, is Jewish. Here's the background https://archive.org/details/BehindCommunism They recruit many non-Jewish dupes, but the source of the insanity is Jewish agendas. Even China was taught communism by Jewish agents out of Russia.

Case in point. Soros, a Joo by birth that never practiced the religion, they abhor the thought freedom and Liberty of the individual.

Quote5. Racial animosity occurs when races are forced to share space, and then taught Marxist equality lies. This is a longstanding communist strategy. Guess who organized the civil rights movement? Guess who is organizing the migrant invasions? Guess who organized the end of apartheid? We can only live together if it is understood that we have different behaviors and intelligence levels. We can't live together if low IQ people are full of hate because they do not perform at the level of whites.

You just made my point again by espousing the hate being fomented by Marxists. You are the epitome of leftist tool/useful idiot! The left foments hate and here you are doing as they command.

Quote6. The number of nonwhites who come here to actually be Americans is very close to zero. Yes, many come to work and get money and hey like walmart and superhero movies. Less than 1% care about any part of US history, or any aspect of American values. They are here for the loot, and they laugh at the plight of America's traditional population.

What part of "illegal alien" do you not get?
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QuoteYou've been sold a bill of goods, boomer. You've been brainwashed into denying the most basic, obvious realities, and it's causing you to give away your nation and civilization.

What does that even mean? Son, I have decades of wisdom over your shot term brainwashing, that's why I'm able to recognize the root cause of the problem, Communists!

I've given you solid evidence that Marxism is the real problem and here you are stuck in the weeds fighting an imaginary monster. What do you hope to accomplish as a useful idiot for the left?
I have no doubt you get booted from forums on a regular basis which is why you're here, thing is, we love exposing idiots like you for what you are. We use people like you as a moment to educate others that fail to think through issues and see what the real enemy is.

Quote from: Solar on October 16, 2019, 08:27:26 AM
Problem is, you do not differentiate between an NY JOO, or an actual Jew that practices the faith. Ny Joos are not actual Jews, they're Marxists at heart, see Rotchilds.
You just contradicted yourself.
No son, the point was exposing your lie about race. Marxism is the root cause of all problems in all of Western culture. Race is merely a symptom of said policy of destroying Western culture.
Case in point. Soros, a Joo by birth that never practiced the religion, they abhor the thought freedom and Liberty of the individual.
You just made my point again by espousing the hate being fomented by Marxists. You are the epitome of leftist tool/useful idiot! The left foments hate and here you are doing as they command.
What part of "illegal alien" do you not get?
\What does that even mean? Son, I have decades of wisdom over your shot term brainwashing, that's why I'm able to recognize the root cause of the problem, Communists!

I've given you solid evidence that Marxism is the real problem and here you are stuck in the weeds fighting an imaginary monster. What do you hope to accomplish as a useful idiot for the left?
I have no doubt you get booted from forums on a regular basis which is why you're here, thing is, we love exposing idiots like you for what you are. We use people like you as a moment to educate others that fail to think through issues and see what the real enemy is.

1. No true scotsman fallacy. It is progress, anyway....you acknowledge a certain type of Jew is at the heart of the problem. Now note that Jews like Ben Shapiro move the agenda along in their own way. They are quick to call you racist, will always conceal Jewish agendas, and will always promote destabilizing wars.

2. That fact that you think that is a contradiction shows your limited comprehension. I have said repeatedly that a small percentage of nonwhites r intelligent and well-meaning. The argument we are having is about major trends.

3.  Again, you are denying race, and racial tendencies. Things you can see with your own eyes. This is Marxist brainwashing.

4. Soros, like Ben Shapiro, is promoting an explicit Jewish/anti-white agenda. He is subverting white Christian society. Just approaching it from a different angle. If you can't see the pattern, I don't know what to tell you. All these key subverters just happen to be Jewish. It's all coincidence move along.

5. Man, you are confused. You don't counter the left by agreeing with their main lies. Want to end racial animosity? Admit that the races are happiest when they're separated, and admit that we can't expect all groups to perform at the same level. Long as we are forced together, and forced to deny group differences, there will be hatred. That's the commie plan.

6. The issue is not legal vs illegal. The issue is whether a group is alien or not. Nonwhites are alien to Western societies. We can assimilate a small number, but at a certain point, we are being assimilated into third world ways. See California for details.

7. lol no, you have decades of brainwashing. You're arguing from basic cultural Marxist premises. Denying the group differences that you can see with your own eyes. It's a form of madness.

I tire of reading your ignorance and have no interest in indulging your hate and bigotry. Suffice it to say, you are, as I have pointed out numerous times, the lefts "useful Idiot".
Case in point, Alynsky's Rules For Radicals proves this point.

"RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the
thing itself."

Point being, they've managed to trap your myopic view and keep you distracted from the real issue of Marxism.

Quote from: Solar on October 16, 2019, 09:01:49 AM
I tire of reading your ignorance and have no interest in indulging your hate and bigotry. Suffice it to say, you are, as I have pointed out numerous times, the lefts "useful Idiot".
Case in point, Alynsky's Rules For Radicals proves this point.

"RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the
thing itself."

Point being, they've managed to trap your myopic view and keep you distracted from the real issue of Marxism.

My friend, you are demonstrating your ignorance. Alinsky (another Jew, but we'll pretend that's just coincidence) is advising commies on how to bully decent whites.

This rule advises commie activists to make wild threats, to make decent people imagine their business and personal life under relentless attack, so decent people will give up without a fight.

It has nothing to do with the context in which you are trying to use it.

Quote from: Shaw on October 16, 2019, 09:13:32 AM
My friend, you are demonstrating your ignorance. Alinsky (another Jew, but we'll pretend that's just coincidence) is advising commies on how to bully decent whites.

This rule advises commie activists to make wild threats, to make decent people imagine their business and personal life under relentless attack, so decent people will give up without a fight.

It has nothing to do with the context in which you are trying to use it.

You fool! You are doing the very thing he advocates. You are focusing on an imaginary issue they've created.
You are under the illusion that all these illegals are too stupid to amount to anything. The leader of the Proud Boys is a Cuban, in fact his entire inner group doesn't have one white guy, they're all of Latin descent or black.
You would be a better asset if you would quit fighting against our own best interest and start befriending these people. When they look at you, all they see is stereotypical white racists hick, the same way we view the Sharptons and Jesse's of the the leftist shakedown circuit.

Anecdotal, but my next door neighbor is a Mexican son of illegals. These people are the epitome American dream, they are the salt of the earth in morality. The family is 20 strong, and I would gladly replace 90% of my white neighbors with his family.

I used to be a racist like you, only worse, because I grew up in a 90% poor black neighborhood, which has turned primarily Mexican and Asian now and is a peaceful place. But decades of exposure to people other than white, taught me, people are people and I quit viewing them as a homogeneous group, rather as individuals.
Particularly people from Latin America, these people are generally Christian with strong family values, the very people we want in this country. It would be in your own best interest to start working with these people instead of against, as in antagonist.
You will be a very lonely and angry guy when you grow up if you don't reconcile your racist bigotry. Take it from an old fart that overcame my hate. Oddly enough, my best friends are predominantly other than white.

Quote from: Solar on October 16, 2019, 09:49:59 AM
You fool! You are doing the very thing he advocates. You are focusing on an imaginary issue they've created.
You are under the illusion that all these illegals are too stupid to amount to anything. The leader of the Proud Boys is a Cuban, in fact his entire inner group doesn't have one white guy, they're all of Latin descent or black.
You would be a better asset if you would quit fighting against our own best interest and start befriending these people. When they look at you, all they see is stereotypical white racists hick, the same way we view the Sharptons and Jesse's of the the leftist shakedown circuit.

Anecdotal, but my next door neighbor is a Mexican son of illegals. These people are the epitome American dream, they are the salt of the earth in morality. The family is 20 strong, and I would gladly replace 90% of my white neighbors with his family.

I used to be a racist like you, only worse, because I grew up in a 90% poor black neighborhood, which has turned primarily Mexican and Asian now and is a peaceful place. But decades of exposure to people other than white, taught me, people are people and I quit viewing them as a homogeneous group, rather as individuals.
Particularly people from Latin America, these people are generally Christian with strong family values, the very people we want in this country. It would be in your own best interest to start working with these people instead of against, as in antagonist.
You will be a very lonely and angry guy when you grow up if you don't reconcile your racist bigotry. Take it from an old fart that overcame my hate. Oddly enough, my best friends are predominantly other than white.

Buddy, you're using another silly commie line...the idea that people "hate" because they lack experience. I have lived in primarily Mexican and black areas for most of my life. I have had cordial dealings with nonwhites of all kinds. I have in fact had Mexican and mulatto girlfriends. I have traveled extensively south of the border. I am very familiar with different groups.

Personal experience, and fondness for individuals, is a separate issue from objective facts and major trends.

Mexicans are largely harmless and hardworking. They also have very low IQs on average.

The concrete fact of the matter is, you will not get a clean, safe, lawful, high tech society run by Mexicans. Especially the Mexicans who come here, who are the failures from down there.

This doesn't mean I "hate" Mexicans as a rule. it means that I understand that a large Mexican presence in the US spells catastrophe.

Same for blacks. Same for Somalis and Mid Easterners. They are what they are. They are not us, and they can't maintain our societies. All relevant statistics prove this.

These groups have their own spaces, vast, resource-rich areas covering much of the globe. There is no logical reason why they should be in countries settled and built by and for white Westerners.

The fact that you are convinced they belong here is, once again, proof of your brainwashing.

Quote from: Shaw on October 16, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
Buddy, you're using another silly commie line...the idea that people "hate" because they lack experience. I have lived in primarily Mexican and black areas for most of my life. I have had cordial dealings with nonwhites of all kinds. I have in fact had Mexican and mulatto girlfriends. I have traveled extensively south of the border. I am very familiar with different groups.

Personal experience, and fondness for individuals, is a separate issue from objective facts and major trends.

Mexicans are largely harmless and hardworking. They also have very low IQs on average.

The concrete fact of the matter is, you will not get a clean, safe, lawful, high tech society run by Mexicans. Especially the Mexicans who come here, who are the failures from down there.

This doesn't mean I "hate" Mexicans as a rule. it means that I understand that a large Mexican presence in the US spells catastrophe.

Same for blacks. Same for Somalis and Mid Easterners. They are what they are. They are not us, and they can't maintain our societies. All relevant statistics prove this.

There you go again with that BS IQ shit. Wake up, the iQ test was designed by and for elite liberals wanting to thumb their noses at anyone that didn't have the family money to attend their colleges. More of your ignorance on display.

QuoteThese groups have their own spaces, vast, resource-rich areas covering much of the globe. There is no logical reason why they should be in countries settled and built by and for white Westerners.

The fact that you are convinced they belong here is, once again, proof of your brainwashing.

Once again, what is the underlying issue at play here? Marxism!!!

Quote from: Solar on October 16, 2019, 11:34:11 AM
There you go again with that BS IQ shit. Wake up, the iQ test was designed by and for elite liberals wanting to thumb their noses at anyone that didn't have the family money to attend their colleges. More of your ignorance on display.
Once again, what is the underlying issue at play here? Marxism!!!

It's almost funny. You are arguing pure commie egalitarianism, denying something as basic as variations in intelligence. Modern psychometricians are careful scientists, and racial IQ averages are verified, over and over and over.

Great interview with Charles Murray. The interviewer has a very informative series on this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/6lsa_97KIlc

Quote from: Shaw on October 16, 2019, 12:33:16 PM
It's almost funny. You are arguing pure commie egalitarianism, denying something as basic as variations in intelligence. Modern psychometricians are careful scientists, and racial IQ averages are verified, over and over and over.

Great interview with Charles Murray. The interviewer has a very informative series on this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/6lsa_97KIlc

Next you'l start advocating phrenology.

I think race and culture are often conflated but they often overlap so heavily.

I worked in Mexico in the early 80s, setting up a factory for a US company. Factories back then meant Mexican sh*thole with buried 55 gallon drums for septic tanks and that meant no toilet paper allowed except in the waste basket. The US companies sent down whatever equipment was too old to use in their factories.

The Mexican engineers were people that could add and subtract. I am sure there were a few competent ones because the roof did not cave in on us.

Today when I visit customers they have good engineers and Mexican factories are often more impressive than the US ones.  They engineers still are brown. They did not change race.

Quote from: Solar on October 16, 2019, 12:43:11 PM
Next you'l start advocating phrenology.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

Quote from: carolina73 on October 16, 2019, 01:04:31 PM
I think race and culture are often conflated but they often overlap so heavily.

I worked in Mexico in the early 80s, setting up a factory for a US company. Factories back then meant Mexican sh*thole with buried 55 gallon drums for septic tanks and that meant no toilet paper allowed except in the waste basket. The US companies sent down whatever equipment was too old to use in their factories.

The Mexican engineers were people that could add and subtract. I am sure there were a few competent ones because the roof did not cave in on us.

Today when I visit customers they have good engineers and Mexican factories are often more impressive than the US ones.  They engineers still are brown. They did not change race.

This doesn't contradict any of the race/IQ data. There will be some percentage of brown people who are smart enough to be engineers. The issue is that there are not enough people of high intelligence, and of medium-range intelligence, to keep a whole range of systems running smoothly.

You need competent scientists, engineers, managers, mechanics, and even artists and philosophers, to have a first world society. You also need most normal, relatively stupid people to be well-behaved, so a lot of resources aren't wasted policing and cleaning up messes.

Brown and black populations are primarily relatively stupid people who are very often not well-behaved. Yes, some of them are above average, but not enough to have a functioning complex society.

Quote from: Shaw on October 16, 2019, 01:50:24 PM
This doesn't contradict any of the race/IQ data. There will be some percentage of brown people who are smart enough to be engineers. The issue is that there are not enough people of high intelligence, and of medium-range intelligence, to keep a whole range of systems running smoothly.

You need competent scientists, engineers, managers, mechanics, and even artists and philosophers, to have a first world society. You also need most normal, relatively stupid people to be well-behaved, so a lot of resources aren't wasted policing and cleaning up messes.

Brown and black populations are primarily relatively stupid people who are very often not well-behaved. Yes, some of them are above average, but not enough to have a functioning complex society.

Your racist bigotry blinds you to the achievements of India, Asia, and South America. All of whom come to the US for higher education.
Next time you're in the emergency room, take note of the ethnicity of those treating you and be glad they aren't the racist you are.

Quote from: Solar on October 16, 2019, 02:39:12 PM
Your racist bigotry blinds you to the achievements of India, Asia, and South America. All of whom come to the US for higher education.
Next time you're in the emergency room, take note of the ethnicity of those treating you and be glad they aren't the racist you are.

Not to mention the empires of central Mexico before the Europeans destroyed them.  I have never know a racist whom I had any respect for.  He damn sure will not be the first.