Quote from: Individual on October 30, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
So when the Democrats take two or three steps to the Left, when the Republicans are in power we take a step to the right.
Supporting OUR (conservatives) agenda is what we should be doing, and where Trumps agenda is the same we should be demanding our elected reps do exactly the same.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

Quote from: walkstall on October 30, 2018, 08:36:57 PM
You will find most Conservative do live that way.  It's a way of life for us.

I don't know about you, or other conservatives, but our debt has risen to $21,516,058,183,180.23  (about $66,067.97 per person) from $28,700,892,624.53 (about $225.46 per person) when I was born. Today our dollar is worth about what a nickle was worth when I was born, and that has grave impact on our young. The average annual wage in 1935 was about $435 per year which would be the equivalent of $8,015 per year relative to the devaluation of our dollar, but the median household income today is more than $50,000  and even a minimum wage worker earns over $15,000 per year, but price inflation is making it more and more difficult for our young to begin a life on their own.
Are conservatives content with our government allowing debt to be the means by which it maintains control over the population as a whole and devaluing our currency as the means by which it appears sustainable?
A fundamental change occurred in 1913, the 16thn and 17th amendments and the Federal Reserve act, all of which I contend to be the primary source of most every major problem we have faced since. Perhaps I'm the only one who feels this to be true, but I also contend that unless we take corrective action on those items, the Liberals will prevail as government will become seen as the source of life by a growing number of voters.

I also am appalled by the debt. And surprised that POTUS and the Pubs are just letting the hemorrhage continue.

Congress should take a Dave Ramsey course. Or maybe we should pay Dave to run the US finances for about 10 years. I can hear him addressing Congress, "What kind of stupid are you people. Seeing the way you run this place, I can't believe you can even run a household budget. Look at these line items - stop the non-essential spending ... right now. Quit handing out what you don't have ... today. All these special councils that fill rooms with lawyers - fire them now ... we won't even know their gone. For that matter, shut down the Federal Government (except whoever has to make our payments) until we finish paying the bill ... I don't think anyone will notice. Pay off what you can ... right now. Get a second job (a real job) and get our country debt free - then we can talk about a wall, or whatever. Better get out of debt ... or learn to speak Chinese cuz the day is comin' when you have to pay the piper. It's time to get responsible - and that will take austerity ... go look it up."

My understanding from Trump was that the surplus in the economy due to growth would more than pay for the programs that he was pushing out. But who's the guy that wakes up one day and says, "Hey - the economy just grew by 15% this year. Let's take 20% of the surplus and pay down the debt." then writes a check.

For that matter, what if I wanted to reduce the debt by $100 right now. Where would I send the check? Yeah - I'm expecting Boo to post a P.O. box number after he sees this and tell me to send it there.

My point is ... we seem to run up the debt by spending funds that we don't even have. But I have no idea how we would truly pay the debt down. Has it ever been done? If not, Trump has a historical act to take - first president to reduce the deficit.

Quote from: Individual on October 30, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
So when the Democrats take two or three steps to the Left, when the Republicans are in power we take a step to the right.
Supporting OUR (conservatives) agenda is what we should be doing, and where Trumps agenda is the same we should be demanding our elected reps do exactly the same.

Trump and everybody that supports him have been railing on the RINO's who have tried to undermine him, for 2 years now.

It's true that they have been dicking around.  But as evidenced by Graham and Collins, they're slowly coming around to Trump.

As evidenced by Flake, Ryan, Corker, and others, Trump is also somehow getting rid of his biggest RINO enemies.

So there is the type of movement happening, that you are asking for.

On another note though, your "winning" comment makes it look like you're pretending to be a conservative, just to be annoying.  Making everything else you say suspect.

I heard Ryan say yesterday "real conservatives like us just can't allow the president to be unconstitutional and deny birth citizenship".

It's mind boggling how such an asshole keeps pretending to be a conservative, only popping up once in a blue moon now, to stop anything conservative from happening.

Somebody must have promised this bitch a big paying job, to keep playing this game until he's out the door.

To think, he was advertised as a "great young conservative star" about 10 years ago.  Just like Flake.  These guys take the payoffs and go progressive so quickly, and completely, when they show up in DC.

Quote from: Individual on October 30, 2018, 08:26:16 PM
Winning more elections is one thing, but unlike the Democrats the Republicans don't seem to want to rock the boat too much when they have power. I give Trump credit for trying, and doing what he can, but 'winning' in my opinion would be when BOTH the people and the States begin to take the reins and control their Representatives in the House and Senate respectively.
And while it may be painful, we both government(s) and people, need to begin living within our means once again.

These Pubs are doing what their electorate paid them to do as the leftists they are.
Replacing these fucksticks is imperative, that's part of the winning I've been talking about. This is a natural progression of a pissed off electorate. Problem is, there are still moroffs on the Right that fall for the lies of the gop'E every election cycle because they're afraid to support the Conservative because they've been convinced that doing so will let the Dim candidate win.

No, the problem is not the GOP, but the idiots that keep voting these leftist in, but this has all changed now that Trump is helping campaign for Conservatives running for office.
Have you not seen the amount of leftist GOP that won't seek reelection?
Do you even know why that's happening? TEA, we've been purging these scum since 2010, and until we replace them, you can expect to see the deficit keep growing.

How many times have you had a good candidate running in your district you knew could win, and suddenly the field is flooded with a bunch of nobodies running on the GOP ticket?
That's what the RNC does, it floods the ticket with a bunch of losers that fight and smear one another, including your guy, but the RINO choice sits quietly in the back while the battle ensues, then in the final days as the campaign begins to wane and the field shrinks, the RINO choice comes out above the fray, chooses one of the loser from the roster that's still standing, while ignoring the TEA candidate and talks about how bad they are.
This gives yopu an illusion that the TEA guy must be weak because no one sees him as a threat.

This was all planned, the idea is to taint the TEA candidate as weak, so weak, they don't even talk about him, so come time to vote, you actually think you are making an informed decision, when in fact you've been herded just like a circus crowd in search of "The Great Egress".
That's how it used to work, but the base is no longer falling for this shit, that's why RINO are running scared and their amount of power is dwindling and why we WILL win in the end, but the onus to keep them inline is on us.
If we let the asylum run itself again, we get the country we deserve.

Stop voting for leftist and vote your conscience.

Quote from: AndyJackson on October 31, 2018, 05:49:56 AM
I heard Ryan say yesterday "real conservatives like us just can't allow the president to be unconstitutional and deny birth citizenship".

It's mind boggling how such an asshole keeps pretending to be a conservative, only popping up once in a blue moon now, to stop anything conservative from happening.

Somebody must have promised this bitch a big paying job, to keep playing this game until he's out the door.

To think, he was advertised as a "great young conservative star" about 10 years ago.  Just like Flake.  These guys take the payoffs and go progressive so quickly, and completely, when they show up in DC.

I heard that crap. Trump slapped him oover it.

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Paul Ryan should be focusing on holding the Majority rather than giving his opinions on Birthright Citizenship, something he knows nothing about! Our new Republican Majority will work on this, Closing the Immigration Loopholes and Securing our Border!

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2018, 10:08:06 AM
I heard that crap. Trump slapped him oover it.

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Paul Ryan should be focusing on holding the Majority rather than giving his opinions on Birthright Citizenship, something he knows nothing about! Our new Republican Majority will work on this, Closing the Immigration Loopholes and Securing our Border!

"And don't let the door hit your ass when walking out the door." 

Quote from: AndyJackson on October 31, 2018, 05:43:12 AM
Trump and everybody that supports him have been railing on the RINO's who have tried to undermine him, for 2 years now.

It's true that they have been dicking around.  But as evidenced by Graham and Collins, they're slowly coming around to Trump.

As evidenced by Flake, Ryan, Corker, and others, Trump is also somehow getting rid of his biggest RINO enemies.

So there is the type of movement happening, that you are asking for.

On another note though, your "winning" comment makes it look like you're pretending to be a conservative, just to be annoying.  Making everything else you say suspect.

What I'm trying to point out is that the Democrats seem to bring about changes that are perpetual, in both application and cost while the Republicans seem only to be able to retard the rapidity of Democrat changes.

Please explain how I look to be 'pretending' to be a conservative, simply because I disagree with the claim that we are winning? Have you read any of my other posts? Now I'm wondering, are you a Conservative or a Liberal?

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2018, 05:55:07 AM
These Pubs are doing what their electorate paid them to do as the leftists they are.
Replacing these fucksticks is imperative, that's part of the winning I've been talking about. This is a natural progression of a pissed off electorate. Problem is, there are still moroffs on the Right that fall for the lies of the gop'E every election cycle because they're afraid to support the Conservative because they've been convinced that doing so will let the Dim candidate win.

No, the problem is not the GOP, but the idiots that keep voting these leftist in, but this has all changed now that Trump is helping campaign for Conservatives running for office.
Have you not seen the amount of leftist GOP that won't seek reelection?
Do you even know why that's happening? TEA, we've been purging these scum since 2010, and until we replace them, you can expect to see the deficit keep growing.

How many times have you had a good candidate running in your district you knew could win, and suddenly the field is flooded with a bunch of nobodies running on the GOP ticket?
That's what the RNC does, it floods the ticket with a bunch of losers that fight and smear one another, including your guy, but the RINO choice sits quietly in the back while the battle ensues, then in the final days as the campaign begins to wane and the field shrinks, the RINO choice comes out above the fray, chooses one of the loser from the roster that's still standing, while ignoring the TEA candidate and talks about how bad they are.
This gives yopu an illusion that the TEA guy must be weak because no one sees him as a threat.

This was all planned, the idea is to taint the TEA candidate as weak, so weak, they don't even talk about him, so come time to vote, you actually think you are making an informed decision, when in fact you've been herded just like a circus crowd in search of "The Great Egress".
That's how it used to work, but the base is no longer falling for this shit, that's why RINO are running scared and their amount of power is dwindling and why we WILL win in the end, but the onus to keep them inline is on us.
If we let the asylum run itself again, we get the country we deserve.

Stop voting for leftist and vote your conscience.

The source of our government problems happened in 1913, passage of the 16th and 17th amendments along with the Federal Reserve Act. Until we take the purse away from the Federal government our problems will only grow worse, impacting primarily those of the working middle class in a negative way.
I would suggest voting for the least Leftist candidate who has a chance of winning, sadly that might not always be the candidate you would like to see win.

Quote from: Individual on October 31, 2018, 07:31:45 PM
The source of our government problems happened in 1913, passage of the 16th and 17th amendments along with the Federal Reserve Act. Until we take the purse away from the Federal government our problems will only grow worse, impacting primarily those of the working middle class in a negative way.
I would suggest voting for the least Leftist candidate who has a chance of winning, sadly that might not always be the candidate you would like to see win.

Did you even read my OP?
The only way we're going to Right this ship, is when we kick every leftist out of the GOP and steal the party for ourselves.
The GOP has never been about the country or the Constitution, not once in its entire history, it has always been about serving the interests industry and its own self interests. It's time to make it the Conservative party.

So much work left to do. We can not rest. The left has had a generation or two of indoctrination ..  Its a long road but one that will pay off in huge dividends.

  Many here know, I was no Trump supporter, I only decided to vote for him on the last day I was able to and still have time to mail in my ballot.  I held out a slim hope he would atleast keep the one promise that mattered to be.. Conservative Judges...  Boy did he fullfill that promise and so much more.  Today, nearly two years later and I proudly wear my Trump support for all to see.  Are there some thing I would like to see worked on?.. sure.. our spending is out of control and we MUST get a handle on it, pay down our debt and cut all non essential programs, this country needs a serious re-start where it comes to fiscal responsibility which is exactly what I think Trump is going to do. FIRST the big spending RINOs' have to go, we need to solidify his support (which next week I think will leave no doubt of)  I would like to see a balance in Washington, a balance of power but the Obama leftist have to go, the Antifa wanna-be's have to go, the Ryan;s and the Flakes.. gone. We must ALL work together.

TEA never died, we never left.. WE have been hard at work

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2018, 07:47:19 PM
Did you even read my OP?
The only way we're going to Right this ship, is when we kick every leftist out of the GOP and steal the party for ourselves.
The GOP has never been about the country or the Constitution, not once in its entire history, it has always been about serving the interests industry and its own self interests. It's time to make it the Conservative party.

Exactly

Quote from: AmericanMom on October 31, 2018, 08:01:43 PM
So much work left to do. We can not rest. The left has had a generation or two of indoctrination ..  Its a long road but one that will pay off in huge dividends.

  Many here know, I was no Trump supporter, I only decided to vote for him on the last day I was able to and still have time to mail in my ballot.  I held out a slim hope he would atleast keep the one promise that mattered to be.. Conservative Judges...  Boy did he fullfill that promise and so much more.  Today, nearly two years later and I proudly wear my Trump support for all to see.  Are there some thing I would like to see worked on?.. sure.. our spending is out of control and we MUST get a handle on it, pay down our debt and cut all non essential programs, this country needs a serious re-start where it comes to fiscal responsibility which is exactly what I think Trump is going to do. FIRST the big spending RINOs' have to go, we need to solidify his support (which next week I think will leave no doubt of)  I would like to see a balance in Washington, a balance of power but the Obama leftist have to go, the Antifa wanna-be's have to go, the Ryan;s and the Flakes.. gone. We must ALL work together.

TEA never died, we never left.. WE have been hard at work

That's it in a nutshell Mom, we must steal the party and make it what we've never had, a Conservative party.

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2018, 08:06:54 PM
That's it in a nutshell Mom, we must steal the party and make it what we've never had, a Conservative party.

I cant remember exactly how many republican are quitting this year alone.. wasn't it like 33 or something?