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Forgive the length, but I have a valid point to make.
This is a condensed version of how we got here and why we're winning.

gop'E = GOP Establishment, of course the Establishment swallowed the gop, which is why it's small.

I might point out, that everyone talks about the President historically doesn't get a Congress to match his party, this has been true much of the time.
People get pissed, and demand change, Carter brought Reagan, people were happy, they elected his Vice, Bush, he brought Clinton, Clinton brought, his son, Bush, who essentially screwed the economy, so this brought Hussein, a Marxist, which was the final pitch of leftist momentum on the pendulum, it hit its peak because of him and their stranglehold in Congress.
However, what most never noticed is, the pendulum has been swinging to the left for decades and the left pushed a full blown Marxist on the Nation, this move was essentially 30 years of compressed movement and the country recognized what they were doing and didn't want anymore of their shit.
Had the left remained patient, we'd have been socialized in 30 to 40 years, they fucked up.

This brought us Trump, a man who couldn't have gotten elected a decade earlier, simply because the country needed to feel the pain only leftists could inflict.
The gop'E has slowly been giving away the country via crony corporatism, this has been their makeup since their inception, protecting business interests, the constituency was secondary.
But something changed over the last few decades, corporate entities were no longer rooted in American interests (thanks NAFTA), the left found they could shape culture by taking over the boards of these faceless entities, be it news, Hollyweird, or Procter & Gamble etc, they would tell the workforce that gays would get all the benefits that everyone else got.
Well big Duh, as if anyone cared, but they were sending a message to the world, as we see Hollyweird doing in all the shit they produce, where every show has a few token homos, as if that's anywhere near reality, but it creates an illusion.
If one were to believe TV, 80% of the nation is homo, victims of white oppression and only govt can save them.
Granted, these are only two examples of cultural purging, but you get the idea.

This brings me to my point, that what the country is, and how the left wants it to be, are completely opposite of reality. The GOP sold us out for decades for their own interests, the harder the left pushed, the more they ceded territory, all the while infiltrating the very corporate interests they had worked to cultivate, right under their noses.
So what does the GOP do? They move left in hopes of retaining some semblance of power while throwing platitudes to their base, like supporting a border fence, and pretending to fund it.
That's Right, they lied, and lied some more, and in 2010, they finally pissed on the base one too many times and TEA was formed, and every election since has seen GOP leftists disappear as well as Dim leftists, to the point the Dim party is but a picture/image representation of what it once was.

What we're witnessing is nothing short of a historical miracle, the perfect storm of politics, a silent yet noisy coup to retake the country. The left literally collapsed and never saw it coming, the Right kept up a steady resolve of TEA and has only continued to strengthen its resolve with every election, literally like the Richter Scale, with each consecutive election, we double, triple, quadruple etc, our resolve and there's no end in sight.
The only reason the Dim party still exists is two fold, their media, and the GOP needs an enemy to scare the base into supporting "Their" candidates, but this too has been failing since 2010 and it has the Establishment scared shitless.

But to be fair to the GOP, they did have Americas best interests at heart, but they are no longer a group of Patriots, they have been taken over by leftists, just as the 1963 Communist papers warned us: "Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States."
They succeeded, nearly to the detriment of our very existence as a Republic.

In closing, the left is dead, vote your conscience, vote for the Conservative, the GOP no longer has the death grip it once had around the throats of the American electorate, we decide who enters the party, not the Establishment.

I, of course, an waiting to see what happens.  I do agree that the left has pushed too hard and too fast and I am hoping that the next generation is finally seeing this.

Toy

Quote from: Solars Toy on October 28, 2018, 08:13:08 AM
I, of course, an waiting to see what happens.  I do agree that the left has pushed too hard and too fast and I am hoping that the next generation is finally seeing this.

Toy

The next gen is always a crap shoot, and the Dims thought they had Gen X locked up, instead, they found out they wound up supporting Trump.
I believe the Dim party has run its course and is now in its death throes which explains why they've resorted to violence as their only recourse, because their message of hate, no longer resonates with any generation.
But instead of worrying about the distant future, we need to continue focusing on the next few elections and keep winning and assuring the next generations see that Conservatism works.

We have an entire generation out there that only knew life under a Marxist POTUS, they were told that the life they know, one of high unemployment,etc, would be the new normal, that those who came before them were to blame for the "New Normal", and Trump proved that to be a huge Marxist lie, where the left had huge hopes of people giving up and surrendering to leftism.
They didn't, they rejected the left. They either #Walkeaway, or supported Trump, but they no longer trust the left.

Which brings me to another point. For decades voter turnout has been decreasing, not so much on the left, but regular Americans fed up with the status quo of supporting candidates that had no intention of following the Constitution.
I guarantee you, that's all changed under Trump, those people who've been sitting out elections like what they see, a man beholding to no one, a man that is telling it like it is, a man that's telling the media to F off, they see a man that sees America the way they do and will not be sitting out another election, especially since they know he hates the Establishment as much as they do.
So not only the people that didn't support Trump in 2016, are now coming out but also those who gave up on the system over the years.

There was a lot of us that didn't vote Trump, rather we supported the only Conservative running, but that was only because Trump was once a registered Dim, so we didn't trust him, but we certainly do now, so expect to see a much bigger turnout in this election for the Right than that of 2014 and 2016, and all previous elections, the disenfranchised voter has returned.

Had anyone thought about that?

America woke up and realized that they kind of enjoy seeing the guy with the biggest podium in America tell the media to FOAD, never give in, and not care about their continued crying and lying about it.

They / We also seem to enjoy seeing him do the same to the dem party, and the various social abortions that run around doing violence and crimes for them.

There must have been some kind of short circuit in the school-propaganda program, with the millenials.  They thought the deliverers were assholes, instead of oracles.

Sometimes people just enjoy watching assholes get their comeuppance.  Looks like that was greatly enjoyed in 2016, and ever since.

Quote from: AndyJackson on October 29, 2018, 03:54:42 PM
America woke up and realized that they kind of enjoy seeing the guy with the biggest podium in America tell the media to FOAD, never give in, and not care about their continued crying and lying about it.

They / We also seem to enjoy seeing him do the same to the dem party, and the various social abortions that run around doing violence and crimes for them.

There must have been some kind of short circuit in the school-propaganda program, with the millenials.  They thought the deliverers were assholes, instead of oracles.

Sometimes people just enjoy watching assholes get their comeuppance.  Looks like that was greatly enjoyed in 2016, and ever since.

Good point. As hard as the left tried, they didn't capture that generation either, not that they became Conservatives, but the majority definitely didn't vote Dim, if anything, they were turned against the left. They heard Obozo tell them," those jobs are not coming back, they're gone forever", then Trump does what they thought was impossible, they're coming back.
I can't wait to see just how many turnout to support Trump, it will be a telling moment for the Dims as they watch their base further dwindle to nothing, and all because they now know they were lied to..

Quote from: Solar on October 30, 2018, 09:10:13 AM
Good point. As hard as the left tried, they didn't capture that generation either, not that they became Conservatives, but the majority definitely didn't vote Dim, if anything, they were turned against the left. They heard Obozo tell them," those jobs are not coming back, they're gone forever", then Trump does what they thought was impossible, they're coming back.
I can't wait to see just how many turnout to support Trump, it will be a telling moment for the Dims as they watch their base further dwindle to nothing, and all because they now know they were lied to..

I truly hope that the ship has turned and is not headed to conservative views. I am not so sure because the lure of getting free stuff is very enticing to those who do not realize that there is no such thing as free. Everything has a price and a consequence.  If it has indeed turned we need to being the removal of those who are more interested in BAU which means do what is best for keeping me in power and not what is in the best interest of the country and in keeping with the constitution.  I listened to someone running in CA as a republican talk about ideas that were in keeping with the constitution.  He wants the feds out of things that the constitution says should be determined by the states.  Even wacky states like California.  Tea Party values with good solid candidates. 

Lastly I think term limits have to be put in place.  Politicians need to be there to serve the public and then move on. 

Quote from: raptor5618 on October 30, 2018, 10:04:21 AM
I truly hope that the ship has turned and is not headed to conservative views.

Was that a typo?

QuoteI am not so sure because the lure of getting free stuff is very enticing to those who do not realize that there is no such thing as free. Everything has a price and a consequence.  If it has indeed turned we need to being the removal of those who are more interested in BAU which means do what is best for keeping me in power and not what is in the best interest of the country and in keeping with the constitution.  I listened to someone running in CA as a republican talk about ideas that were in keeping with the constitution.  He wants the feds out of things that the constitution says should be determined by the states.  Even wacky states like California.  Tea Party values with good solid candidates. 

Lastly I think term limits have to be put in place.  Politicians need to be there to serve the public and then move on.

That has been our biggest problem, electing people who do more than pay lip service, only to turn around and support leftist ideals.
I do believe the left infiltrated the GOP, I also believe we are purging the party and have made great strides since 2010.

Has losing less rapidly become the new definition of winning?

Quote from: Individual on October 30, 2018, 07:20:18 PM
Has losing less rapidly become the new definition of winning?

The only losers are the left. We, the Right, have been kicking serious ass since 2010, and that includes purging RINO from the gop'E.
But the last two years not only outpaced the prior years, the pace has more than quadrupled and this Nov will prove it.

Quote from: Individual on October 30, 2018, 07:20:18 PM
Has losing less rapidly become the new definition of winning?

Sure, in ass-backwards-ville.  Is this where you live ?

Trump retired the Clintons and Obamas and their 100 favorite sycophants, from politics.

He swapped Gorsuch for Garland, and Kavanaugh for Kennedy.  He will soon enough swap Barrett for Ginsburgh.

He's installed about 100 high level conservative judges.

He's put a big old boot straight up the ass of illegal immigration, and moronic leftist concepts like "everybody in the world has USA constitutional rights".

In.  Two.  Years.

Are you hopelessly retarded ?

Quote from: Individual on October 30, 2018, 07:20:18 PM
Has losing less rapidly become the new definition of winning?

Who has been losing?

Quote from: Solar on October 30, 2018, 07:33:06 PM
The only losers are the left. We, the Right, have been kicking serious ass since 2010, and that includes purging RINO from the gop'E.
But the last two years not only outpaced the prior years, the pace has more than quadrupled and this Nov will prove it.

Winning more elections is one thing, but unlike the Democrats the Republicans don't seem to want to rock the boat too much when they have power. I give Trump credit for trying, and doing what he can, but 'winning' in my opinion would be when BOTH the people and the States begin to take the reins and control their Representatives in the House and Senate respectively.
And while it may be painful, we both government(s) and people, need to begin living within our means once again.

Quote from: Individual on October 30, 2018, 08:26:16 PM
Winning more elections is one thing, but unlike the Democrats the Republicans don't seem to want to rock the boat too much when they have power. I give Trump credit for trying, and doing what he can, but 'winning' in my opinion would be when BOTH the people and the States begin to take the reins and control their Representatives in the House and Senate respectively.
And while it may be painful, we both government(s) and people, need to begin living within our means once again.

Republicans rocked the boat by voting for Trump and they continue to rock the boat by supporting his agenda.

Quote from: Individual on October 30, 2018, 08:26:16 PM
Winning more elections is one thing, but unlike the Democrats the Republicans don't seem to want to rock the boat too much when they have power. I give Trump credit for trying, and doing what he can, but 'winning' in my opinion would be when BOTH the people and the States begin to take the reins and control their Representatives in the House and Senate respectively.
And while it may be painful, we both government(s) and people, need to begin living within our means once again.

You will find most Conservative do live that way.  It's a way of life for us. 

Quote from: The Boo Man... on October 30, 2018, 08:34:18 PM
Republicans rocked the boat by voting for Trump and they continue to rock the boat by supporting his agenda.

So when the Democrats take two or three steps to the Left, when the Republicans are in power we take a step to the right.
Supporting OUR (conservatives) agenda is what we should be doing, and where Trumps agenda is the same we should be demanding our elected reps do exactly the same.

Quote from: Individual on October 30, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
So when the Democrats take two or three steps to the Left, when the Republicans are in power we take a step to the right.
Supporting OUR (conservatives) agenda is what we should be doing, and where Trumps agenda is the same we should be demanding our elected reps do exactly the same.

I have no idea what you are trying to say here.

Quote from: walkstall on October 30, 2018, 08:36:57 PM
You will find most Conservative do live that way.  It's a way of life for us.

I don't know about you, or other conservatives, but our debt has risen to $21,516,058,183,180.23  (about $66,067.97 per person) from $28,700,892,624.53 (about $225.46 per person) when I was born. Today our dollar is worth about what a nickle was worth when I was born, and that has grave impact on our young. The average annual wage in 1935 was about $435 per year which would be the equivalent of $8,015 per year relative to the devaluation of our dollar, but the median household income today is more than $50,000  and even a minimum wage worker earns over $15,000 per year, but price inflation is making it more and more difficult for our young to begin a life on their own.
Are conservatives content with our government allowing debt to be the means by which it maintains control over the population as a whole and devaluing our currency as the means by which it appears sustainable?
A fundamental change occurred in 1913, the 16thn and 17th amendments and the Federal Reserve act, all of which I contend to be the primary source of most every major problem we have faced since. Perhaps I'm the only one who feels this to be true, but I also contend that unless we take corrective action on those items, the Liberals will prevail as government will become seen as the source of life by a growing number of voters.

I also am appalled by the debt. And surprised that POTUS and the Pubs are just letting the hemorrhage continue.

Congress should take a Dave Ramsey course. Or maybe we should pay Dave to run the US finances for about 10 years. I can hear him addressing Congress, "What kind of stupid are you people. Seeing the way you run this place, I can't believe you can even run a household budget. Look at these line items - stop the non-essential spending ... right now. Quit handing out what you don't have ... today. All these special councils that fill rooms with lawyers - fire them now ... we won't even know their gone. For that matter, shut down the Federal Government (except whoever has to make our payments) until we finish paying the bill ... I don't think anyone will notice. Pay off what you can ... right now. Get a second job (a real job) and get our country debt free - then we can talk about a wall, or whatever. Better get out of debt ... or learn to speak Chinese cuz the day is comin' when you have to pay the piper. It's time to get responsible - and that will take austerity ... go look it up."

My understanding from Trump was that the surplus in the economy due to growth would more than pay for the programs that he was pushing out. But who's the guy that wakes up one day and says, "Hey - the economy just grew by 15% this year. Let's take 20% of the surplus and pay down the debt." then writes a check.

For that matter, what if I wanted to reduce the debt by $100 right now. Where would I send the check? Yeah - I'm expecting Boo to post a P.O. box number after he sees this and tell me to send it there.

My point is ... we seem to run up the debt by spending funds that we don't even have. But I have no idea how we would truly pay the debt down. Has it ever been done? If not, Trump has a historical act to take - first president to reduce the deficit.

Quote from: Individual on October 30, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
So when the Democrats take two or three steps to the Left, when the Republicans are in power we take a step to the right.
Supporting OUR (conservatives) agenda is what we should be doing, and where Trumps agenda is the same we should be demanding our elected reps do exactly the same.

Trump and everybody that supports him have been railing on the RINO's who have tried to undermine him, for 2 years now.

It's true that they have been dicking around.  But as evidenced by Graham and Collins, they're slowly coming around to Trump.

As evidenced by Flake, Ryan, Corker, and others, Trump is also somehow getting rid of his biggest RINO enemies.

So there is the type of movement happening, that you are asking for.

On another note though, your "winning" comment makes it look like you're pretending to be a conservative, just to be annoying.  Making everything else you say suspect.

I heard Ryan say yesterday "real conservatives like us just can't allow the president to be unconstitutional and deny birth citizenship".

It's mind boggling how such an asshole keeps pretending to be a conservative, only popping up once in a blue moon now, to stop anything conservative from happening.

Somebody must have promised this bitch a big paying job, to keep playing this game until he's out the door.

To think, he was advertised as a "great young conservative star" about 10 years ago.  Just like Flake.  These guys take the payoffs and go progressive so quickly, and completely, when they show up in DC.

Quote from: Individual on October 30, 2018, 08:26:16 PM
Winning more elections is one thing, but unlike the Democrats the Republicans don't seem to want to rock the boat too much when they have power. I give Trump credit for trying, and doing what he can, but 'winning' in my opinion would be when BOTH the people and the States begin to take the reins and control their Representatives in the House and Senate respectively.
And while it may be painful, we both government(s) and people, need to begin living within our means once again.

These Pubs are doing what their electorate paid them to do as the leftists they are.
Replacing these fucksticks is imperative, that's part of the winning I've been talking about. This is a natural progression of a pissed off electorate. Problem is, there are still moroffs on the Right that fall for the lies of the gop'E every election cycle because they're afraid to support the Conservative because they've been convinced that doing so will let the Dim candidate win.

No, the problem is not the GOP, but the idiots that keep voting these leftist in, but this has all changed now that Trump is helping campaign for Conservatives running for office.
Have you not seen the amount of leftist GOP that won't seek reelection?
Do you even know why that's happening? TEA, we've been purging these scum since 2010, and until we replace them, you can expect to see the deficit keep growing.

How many times have you had a good candidate running in your district you knew could win, and suddenly the field is flooded with a bunch of nobodies running on the GOP ticket?
That's what the RNC does, it floods the ticket with a bunch of losers that fight and smear one another, including your guy, but the RINO choice sits quietly in the back while the battle ensues, then in the final days as the campaign begins to wane and the field shrinks, the RINO choice comes out above the fray, chooses one of the loser from the roster that's still standing, while ignoring the TEA candidate and talks about how bad they are.
This gives yopu an illusion that the TEA guy must be weak because no one sees him as a threat.

This was all planned, the idea is to taint the TEA candidate as weak, so weak, they don't even talk about him, so come time to vote, you actually think you are making an informed decision, when in fact you've been herded just like a circus crowd in search of "The Great Egress".
That's how it used to work, but the base is no longer falling for this shit, that's why RINO are running scared and their amount of power is dwindling and why we WILL win in the end, but the onus to keep them inline is on us.
If we let the asylum run itself again, we get the country we deserve.

Stop voting for leftist and vote your conscience.

Quote from: AndyJackson on October 31, 2018, 05:49:56 AM
I heard Ryan say yesterday "real conservatives like us just can't allow the president to be unconstitutional and deny birth citizenship".

It's mind boggling how such an asshole keeps pretending to be a conservative, only popping up once in a blue moon now, to stop anything conservative from happening.

Somebody must have promised this bitch a big paying job, to keep playing this game until he's out the door.

To think, he was advertised as a "great young conservative star" about 10 years ago.  Just like Flake.  These guys take the payoffs and go progressive so quickly, and completely, when they show up in DC.

I heard that crap. Trump slapped him oover it.

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Paul Ryan should be focusing on holding the Majority rather than giving his opinions on Birthright Citizenship, something he knows nothing about! Our new Republican Majority will work on this, Closing the Immigration Loopholes and Securing our Border!

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Paul Ryan should be focusing on holding the Majority rather than giving his opinions on Birthright Citizenship, something he knows nothing about! Our new Republican Majority will work on this, Closing the Immigration Loopholes and Securing our Border!

"And don't let the door hit your ass when walking out the door."  :lol:

Quote from: AndyJackson on October 31, 2018, 05:43:12 AM
Trump and everybody that supports him have been railing on the RINO's who have tried to undermine him, for 2 years now.

It's true that they have been dicking around.  But as evidenced by Graham and Collins, they're slowly coming around to Trump.

As evidenced by Flake, Ryan, Corker, and others, Trump is also somehow getting rid of his biggest RINO enemies.

So there is the type of movement happening, that you are asking for.

On another note though, your "winning" comment makes it look like you're pretending to be a conservative, just to be annoying.  Making everything else you say suspect.

What I'm trying to point out is that the Democrats seem to bring about changes that are perpetual, in both application and cost while the Republicans seem only to be able to retard the rapidity of Democrat changes.

Please explain how I look to be 'pretending' to be a conservative, simply because I disagree with the claim that we are winning? Have you read any of my other posts? Now I'm wondering, are you a Conservative or a Liberal?

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2018, 05:55:07 AM
These Pubs are doing what their electorate paid them to do as the leftists they are.
Replacing these fucksticks is imperative, that's part of the winning I've been talking about. This is a natural progression of a pissed off electorate. Problem is, there are still moroffs on the Right that fall for the lies of the gop'E every election cycle because they're afraid to support the Conservative because they've been convinced that doing so will let the Dim candidate win.

No, the problem is not the GOP, but the idiots that keep voting these leftist in, but this has all changed now that Trump is helping campaign for Conservatives running for office.
Have you not seen the amount of leftist GOP that won't seek reelection?
Do you even know why that's happening? TEA, we've been purging these scum since 2010, and until we replace them, you can expect to see the deficit keep growing.

How many times have you had a good candidate running in your district you knew could win, and suddenly the field is flooded with a bunch of nobodies running on the GOP ticket?
That's what the RNC does, it floods the ticket with a bunch of losers that fight and smear one another, including your guy, but the RINO choice sits quietly in the back while the battle ensues, then in the final days as the campaign begins to wane and the field shrinks, the RINO choice comes out above the fray, chooses one of the loser from the roster that's still standing, while ignoring the TEA candidate and talks about how bad they are.
This gives yopu an illusion that the TEA guy must be weak because no one sees him as a threat.

This was all planned, the idea is to taint the TEA candidate as weak, so weak, they don't even talk about him, so come time to vote, you actually think you are making an informed decision, when in fact you've been herded just like a circus crowd in search of "The Great Egress".
That's how it used to work, but the base is no longer falling for this shit, that's why RINO are running scared and their amount of power is dwindling and why we WILL win in the end, but the onus to keep them inline is on us.
If we let the asylum run itself again, we get the country we deserve.

Stop voting for leftist and vote your conscience.

The source of our government problems happened in 1913, passage of the 16th and 17th amendments along with the Federal Reserve Act. Until we take the purse away from the Federal government our problems will only grow worse, impacting primarily those of the working middle class in a negative way.
I would suggest voting for the least Leftist candidate who has a chance of winning, sadly that might not always be the candidate you would like to see win.

Quote from: Individual on October 31, 2018, 07:31:45 PM
The source of our government problems happened in 1913, passage of the 16th and 17th amendments along with the Federal Reserve Act. Until we take the purse away from the Federal government our problems will only grow worse, impacting primarily those of the working middle class in a negative way.
I would suggest voting for the least Leftist candidate who has a chance of winning, sadly that might not always be the candidate you would like to see win.

Did you even read my OP?
The only way we're going to Right this ship, is when we kick every leftist out of the GOP and steal the party for ourselves.
The GOP has never been about the country or the Constitution, not once in its entire history, it has always been about serving the interests industry and its own self interests. It's time to make it the Conservative party.

So much work left to do. We can not rest. The left has had a generation or two of indoctrination ..  Its a long road but one that will pay off in huge dividends.

  Many here know, I was no Trump supporter, I only decided to vote for him on the last day I was able to and still have time to mail in my ballot.  I held out a slim hope he would atleast keep the one promise that mattered to be.. Conservative Judges...  Boy did he fullfill that promise and so much more.  Today, nearly two years later and I proudly wear my Trump support for all to see.  Are there some thing I would like to see worked on?.. sure.. our spending is out of control and we MUST get a handle on it, pay down our debt and cut all non essential programs, this country needs a serious re-start where it comes to fiscal responsibility which is exactly what I think Trump is going to do. FIRST the big spending RINOs' have to go, we need to solidify his support (which next week I think will leave no doubt of)  I would like to see a balance in Washington, a balance of power but the Obama leftist have to go, the Antifa wanna-be's have to go, the Ryan;s and the Flakes.. gone. We must ALL work together.

TEA never died, we never left.. WE have been hard at work

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2018, 07:47:19 PM
Did you even read my OP?
The only way we're going to Right this ship, is when we kick every leftist out of the GOP and steal the party for ourselves.
The GOP has never been about the country or the Constitution, not once in its entire history, it has always been about serving the interests industry and its own self interests. It's time to make it the Conservative party.

Exactly

Quote from: AmericanMom on October 31, 2018, 08:01:43 PM
So much work left to do. We can not rest. The left has had a generation or two of indoctrination ..  Its a long road but one that will pay off in huge dividends.

  Many here know, I was no Trump supporter, I only decided to vote for him on the last day I was able to and still have time to mail in my ballot.  I held out a slim hope he would atleast keep the one promise that mattered to be.. Conservative Judges...  Boy did he fullfill that promise and so much more.  Today, nearly two years later and I proudly wear my Trump support for all to see.  Are there some thing I would like to see worked on?.. sure.. our spending is out of control and we MUST get a handle on it, pay down our debt and cut all non essential programs, this country needs a serious re-start where it comes to fiscal responsibility which is exactly what I think Trump is going to do. FIRST the big spending RINOs' have to go, we need to solidify his support (which next week I think will leave no doubt of)  I would like to see a balance in Washington, a balance of power but the Obama leftist have to go, the Antifa wanna-be's have to go, the Ryan;s and the Flakes.. gone. We must ALL work together.

TEA never died, we never left.. WE have been hard at work

That's it in a nutshell Mom, we must steal the party and make it what we've never had, a Conservative party.

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2018, 08:06:54 PM
That's it in a nutshell Mom, we must steal the party and make it what we've never had, a Conservative party.

I cant remember exactly how many republican are quitting this year alone.. wasn't it like 33 or something?

Quote from: AmericanMom on October 31, 2018, 08:34:52 PM
I cant remember exactly how many republican are quitting this year alone.. wasn't it like 33 or something?

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Yes, it's a lot, and I think only two were somewhat Conservative. That's quite the purge, and we haven't even hit midterm yet. :thumbsup:

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2018, 08:54:14 PM
:biggrin:
Yes, it's a lot, and I think only two were somewhat Conservative. That's quite the purge, and we haven't even hit midterm yet. :thumbsup:

:popcorn: :popcorn:

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2018, 07:47:19 PM
Did you even read my OP?
The only way we're going to Right this ship, is when we kick every leftist out of the GOP and steal the party for ourselves.
The GOP has never been about the country or the Constitution, not once in its entire history, it has always been about serving the interests industry and its own self interests. It's time to make it the Conservative party.

Yes, I did read your OP, and I agree wholeheartedly that we need to take back the Conservative party, which has in my opinion become Liberal lite. But then the problem would be getting a Republican elected in large population areas where voters have been made most dependent on government spending and programs created by Liberals (Democrats). I maintain that the source of sovereignty is the people, individuals, who create societies at the local level of government. That is where laws begin, which the members create for their well being and safety. Beyond that, the State in which the local governments exist, create laws within which the local governments each find beneficial and acceptable. And lastly, the people and their States give responsibility to the Federal government things which require collective coordination. We need to change our system of government to where our Federal representatives are not elected on the basis of how much pork they can bring back home into how much revenue they can keep home and put to use most efficiently. Repealing the 16th and 17th amendments is an absolute must, which would then greatly promote sending conservative representatives to represent us in our Federal government, allowing States to become as Liberally governed as their people will allow. Not to mention that the Federal budget could then easily be balanced, with rare and temporary exceptions. State governments would then be made responsible for creating an environment in which their citizens would be able to prosper more or less equally. Essentially, what I have been promoting is a fundamental return to rational and reasonable government as intended by our founders, and as espoused in our Declaration of Independence, by the words "all men are created equal", which as I was taught many, many years ago, had nothing to do with economics but only with rule of their lives. Success is an achievement, NOT an entitlement. While freedom and liberty allow pursuit of success, they do not and never were meant to preclude failure.

Quote from: AmericanMom on October 31, 2018, 08:01:43 PM
So much work left to do. We can not rest. The left has had a generation or two of indoctrination ..  Its a long road but one that will pay off in huge dividends.

  Many here know, I was no Trump supporter, I only decided to vote for him on the last day I was able to and still have time to mail in my ballot.  I held out a slim hope he would atleast keep the one promise that mattered to be.. Conservative Judges...  Boy did he fullfill that promise and so much more.  Today, nearly two years later and I proudly wear my Trump support for all to see.  Are there some thing I would like to see worked on?.. sure.. our spending is out of control and we MUST get a handle on it, pay down our debt and cut all non essential programs, this country needs a serious re-start where it comes to fiscal responsibility which is exactly what I think Trump is going to do. FIRST the big spending RINOs' have to go, we need to solidify his support (which next week I think will leave no doubt of)  I would like to see a balance in Washington, a balance of power but the Obama leftist have to go, the Antifa wanna-be's have to go, the Ryan;s and the Flakes.. gone. We must ALL work together.

TEA never died, we never left.. WE have been hard at work

Excellent summary!  :thumbup:

Bill Mitchell
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5h5 hours ago

AZ party Registration is 35R/30D/35I.  So far EARLY VOTING has been 43R/34D/16I. And yet, an NBC poll has the Democrat leading the Senate race by 6!  Oh yeah, also, only 6% of voters are young.

In case I didn't just make it clear, the #BlueWave is a LIE and polls are bullsh*t.


That guy  doesnt think it will be a democrat year.

This is shaping up to be another unmasking of the fake polls and media collusion with the dems.  To the horror of the dems, when it turns out just the opposite of what the media is pitching.  Get ready for "RUSSIA  RUSSIA  RUSSIA part 2".

I'm also thinking that the Trump strategizing is kicking in too.  What he did in 2016 was masterful, just as you'd expect from a career business competitor and winner / billionaire.  Just the opposite of a braindead idealogue narcissist like the Clintons / Obamas who do nothing but sit on their asses, and wait for delivery of their prizes.

Trump is really barnstorming like crazy, precisely where it will make a big difference.  It's cool to watch.  While the left plays the same exact pitiful game as they did in 2016.

Quote from: Individual on October 31, 2018, 09:03:20 PM
Yes, I did read your OP, and I agree wholeheartedly that we need to take back the Conservative party, which has in my opinion become Liberal lite. But then the problem would be getting a Republican elected in large population areas where voters have been made most dependent on government spending and programs created by Liberals (Democrats). I maintain that the source of sovereignty is the people, individuals, who create societies at the local level of government. That is where laws begin, which the members create for their well being and safety. Beyond that, the State in which the local governments exist, create laws within which the local governments each find beneficial and acceptable. And lastly, the people and their States give responsibility to the Federal government things which require collective coordination. We need to change our system of government to where our Federal representatives are not elected on the basis of how much pork they can bring back home into how much revenue they can keep home and put to use most efficiently. Repealing the 16th and 17th amendments is an absolute must, which would then greatly promote sending conservative representatives to represent us in our Federal government, allowing States to become as Liberally governed as their people will allow. Not to mention that the Federal budget could then easily be balanced, with rare and temporary exceptions. State governments would then be made responsible for creating an environment in which their citizens would be able to prosper more or less equally. Essentially, what I have been promoting is a fundamental return to rational and reasonable government as intended by our founders, and as espoused in our Declaration of Independence, by the words "all men are created equal", which as I was taught many, many years ago, had nothing to do with economics but only with rule of their lives. Success is an achievement, NOT an entitlement. While freedom and liberty allow pursuit of success, they do not and never were meant to preclude failure.

I don't disagree, but I think you're getting way ahead in the process. First let's focus on the basics of stealing the GOP, getting Cultural America used to the idea that living within ones means is the really cool thing to do, get the culture to start demanding a Fair Tax system, one where the Fed is put on a tight budget.
Then and only then will we be able to move away from the welfare state, but until the culture in this country is comfortable with a change in values, you're not changing one thing.

Yes, I remember when owing taxes or taking welfare was akin to a scarlet letter in public, that having a baby out of wedlock got one shunned, so don't expect to see any cultural change anytime soon, it's a slow process, a generational process, as evidenced with the left destruction of our culture in 40 short years.
It takes even longer to repair it, a concerted effort by govt and the people. Remember, the left still holds the media and they will do their best to stop us. I don't mean to sound like a pessimist, but we have to face reality when fighting this war, it's going to take decades to win, but I believe we can do it because technology keeps changing and it's all been to our advantage.

Quote from: Solar on October 31, 2018, 08:54:14 PM
:biggrin:
Yes, it's a lot, and I think only two were somewhat Conservative. That's quite the purge, and we haven't even hit midterm yet. :thumbsup:

It will definitely be an interesting new landscape, with all the most powerful RINO's gone, and the lesser ones that are left jumping on the Trump bandwagon.

The dems will win a few of these nail-biters, and the balance is still murky, but just the RINO house-cleaning is bigger than all that.

Quote from: AndyJackson on November 01, 2018, 07:02:52 AM
It will definitely be an interesting new landscape, with all the most powerful RINO's gone, and the lesser ones that are left jumping on the Trump bandwagon.

The dems will win a few of these nail-biters, and the balance is still murky, but just the RINO house-cleaning is bigger than all that.

Grahmnasty comes to mind. I don't know if it's an act because he's worried about the midterms, or that he actually now supports Trump's agenda. which I kind of doubt.
I'll rely on the voters to do the Right thing, but you're right, with so many RINO being purged, things are changing rapidly and I can't wait to rub it in the libs faces after the elections are complete.

He seems  very  confident.


Bill Mitchell
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1h1 hour ago

I was right then. I'm right now.  Republicans hold the House (comfortably) and make a mighty run at Super Majority in the Senate.

2019 will be the most #MAGA year ever!

Quote from: ldub23 on November 01, 2018, 03:34:18 PM
He seems  very  confident.


Bill Mitchell
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1h1 hour ago

I was right then. I'm right now.  Republicans hold the House (comfortably) and make a mighty run at Super Majority in the Senate.

2019 will be the most #MAGA year ever!

So what happened, did you finally turn off CNN?

Quote from: ldub23 on November 01, 2018, 03:34:18 PM
He seems  very  confident.


Bill Mitchell
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1h1 hour ago

I was right then. I'm right now.  Republicans hold the House (comfortably) and make a mighty run at Super Majority in the Senate.

2019 will be the most #MAGA year ever!

Boy, if this really happens, it will be hilarious but a bit tenuous, to wait and see what these idiots actually do afterwards.

I'm thinking actual suicides and murders and riots that aren't nearly as quaint as what we've already seen.  Not all that funny, but I guess you can't stop sick from being sick.  Just stay in the house for a while, kinda like The Purge.

Hopefully they end up victimizing each other as much as possible, instead of innocent random people.

Quote from: Solar on November 01, 2018, 04:10:04 PM
So what happened, did you finally turn off CNN?

I still think they lose the  House but  i just wanted to post what he  is saying. He hosts a radio show.

Quote from: ldub23 on November 01, 2018, 04:49:26 PM
I still think they lose the  House but  i just wanted to post what he  is saying. He hosts a radio show.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You're incorrigible.

Quote from: Solar on November 01, 2018, 07:02:24 AM
I don't disagree, but I think you're getting way ahead in the process. First let's focus on the basics of stealing the GOP, getting Cultural America used to the idea that living within ones means is the really cool thing to do, get the culture to start demanding a Fair Tax system, one where the Fed is put on a tight budget.
Then and only then will we be able to move away from the welfare state, but until the culture in this country is comfortable with a change in values, you're not changing one thing.

Yes, I remember when owing taxes or taking welfare was akin to a scarlet letter in public, that having a baby out of wedlock got one shunned, so don't expect to see any cultural change anytime soon, it's a slow process, a generational process, as evidenced with the left destruction of our culture in 40 short years.
It takes even longer to repair it, a concerted effort by govt and the people. Remember, the left still holds the media and they will do their best to stop us. I don't mean to sound like a pessimist, but we have to face reality when fighting this war, it's going to take decades to win, but I believe we can do it because technology keeps changing and it's all been to our advantage.

I'm not seeing any process in motion by which change will accomplish anything lasting.
All things equal, strength is in numbers. Conservatives do not represent a majority of the voting population, nor are all those who vote for GOP candidates conservative. By what means do you feel cultural America can/would be brought to accept "living within ones means"? When only the top 10% of taxpayers are paying equal or more than what government is spending per person, how would you define a "Fair Tax System"? How might you entice voters to demand a tight budget when that would for most voters require giving up something government is providing them?

I maintain that our problems are rooted primarily in the change which occurred in 1913, the 16th and 17th amendments and the Federal Reserve Act, which has collectivized all citizens and States under control of our Federal government. Those who are taxed the most are willing to pay more, giving liberal politicians the means to attract votes of those who see government programs as their primary means of support, with negative consequences primarily impacting those of the middle class working taxpayers who are diminishing in numbers AND are the primary source of conservatives remaining.

While we may win an election now and then, I see no way of making significant and lasting changes without taking the power of the purse from our Federal government FIRST.

Interesting.  Solar, your starting point is cultural and moral.  Individual's starting point is constitutional and economic.

Quote from: alienhand on November 02, 2018, 03:43:28 AM
Interesting.  Solar, your starting point is cultural and moral.  Individual's starting point is constitutional and economic.

Unfortunately, they're inseparable. We can save the country financially, but if we don't correct our culture, we're dead.
The American dream is all about Freedom and liberty, but there's a culture of angry, lazy and scared youth out there who have been sold the idea that socialism can quell their anger and fears, all they have to do is relinquish what is essentially free thought to the govt, the  great equalizer, the great protector of the weak.

That's Right, the left has purposely created a generation of weak and fearful men, snowflakes if you will. And unless we reverse this effect, no amount of spending curation will make a hill of beans.
However, I believe Trump is the man to make this correction, simply by doing what he's doing, showing them that capitalism works for all people, and his "In Your Face" style of governing is an example of how real men work, not the pussy whipped Bush family style, of 'Kinder Gentler" Bullshit.

Anyway, it'll take a bit of tough love, but I think it's doable, we just all need to recognize the damage PC inflicts and fight back.

Quote from: Individual on November 01, 2018, 08:47:52 PM
I'm not seeing any process in motion by which change will accomplish anything lasting.
All things equal, strength is in numbers. Conservatives do not represent a majority of the voting population, nor are all those who vote for GOP candidates conservative. By what means do you feel cultural America can/would be brought to accept "living within ones means"? When only the top 10% of taxpayers are paying equal or more than what government is spending per person, how would you define a "Fair Tax System"? How might you entice voters to demand a tight budget when that would for most voters require giving up something government is providing them?

I maintain that our problems are rooted primarily in the change which occurred in 1913, the 16th and 17th amendments and the Federal Reserve Act, which has collectivized all citizens and States under control of our Federal government. Those who are taxed the most are willing to pay more, giving liberal politicians the means to attract votes of those who see government programs as their primary means of support, with negative consequences primarily impacting those of the middle class working taxpayers who are diminishing in numbers AND are the primary source of conservatives remaining.

While we may win an election now and then, I see no way of making significant and lasting changes without taking the power of the purse from our Federal government FIRST.

See Reply #46, I saw his response before I saw yours.
But to answer your "Fair Tax System", do your own research, obviously you know nothing of a fair tax, or you wouldn't have asked.
Once it's instituted, the IRS essentially disappears, no one will have money taken out of their paycheck, that's a huge selling point, and they don't have to file to get it back.
The poor are not known for being a huge driver in the purchase of new products, so they won't really be affected, they'll no longer pay a tax on used cars etc, so again, they won't care.

But as I've pointed out, you can cut all the spending you want, bu unless you change the culture, forget it. Hell, we could eliminate the 16th and 17th, but that will not stop the socialists from killing off capitalism.
Are you not seeing reality?

Oh, and one other point, you claimed "Conservatives do not represent a majority of the voting population", that is partly true. The base makes up the majority voting block of the Conservative Right, while the remainder, the Majority of the electorate, now supports the GOP, which is "Why We Keep Winning"!

It's always been a harder sell for conservatives to pitch self-reliance, responsibility, and hard work.  Unfortunately, it's more innate in humans to look for easy pickin's, avoiding work, and stealing, rather than to work one's ass off for the benefits down the road. 

Liberals, progressives, and leftists ... selling the freedom from work, govt hand outs, and jealousy of people who work hard and have more ... always have a built-in lead from the starting line.  Conservatives always have had, and always will have, their starting blocks about 15 yards behind the liberals' ...... in a hundred yard dash.

We have to run twice as fast, work twice as hard, to stay in the game against Marx, Alinsky, Cloward-Piven, Obama-Clinton, and their current sycophants.

That's just how it is.  Hopefully humans change, which is what God is waiting for, I'm sure.

The percentages / likelihood of a decent, responsible person gaining the presidency is probably just as we've seen.  Washington, Lincoln, Ike, Reagan, Trump, out of all of them .... is probably a good definition of the odds.  Maybe JFK if he'd had the time; he seemed like an OK guy while he was poking everything in a skirt that got within 20 feet of him, lol.

It's also true that America has adopted a lot of socialistic programs and affectations, thanks to the largesse of a hugely successful capitalist, free society.

We've said "Oh, OK, let's start up just a few collectivist systems for welfare, unemployment, disability, retirement, medicine, and taking in everybody from the globe who wants to wander in and be taken care of".

As long as it doesn't take over the government, America has been OK with limited socialism because we got so damned rich with capitalism.  We've had money to burn on feel-good safety nets and sharing the wealth.

Unfortunately, that has become our no-shooting civil war for the moment - leftists trying to push the sharing of the wealth toward full government communism, and conservatives trying to keep it down to socialism-lite, without the govt and society being fully bastardized.

Just realized that my list of good presidents has an interesting tie - in :

Washington - Rev War
Lincoln - Civil War
Ike - WW2
Reagan - Cold War
Trump - Obama / Clinton final putsch to end America

verrrry interesting .......

Quote from: AndyJackson on November 02, 2018, 07:42:44 AM
It's always been a harder sell for conservatives to pitch self-reliance, responsibility, and hard work.  Unfortunately, it's more innate in humans to look for easy pickin's, avoiding work, and stealing, rather than to work one's ass off for the benefits down the road. 

My opinion and I may be wrong. The problem is liberalism/socialism is a philosophy of pleasure while these things you are espousing are a philosophy of pain.  A philosophy of pleasure will always win out against a philosophy of pain.  Another thing, if a person doesn't feel like they can be self-reliant or no matter how hard they work they still lose they won't work hard or make attempts to be self-reliant.  They have to have some kind of way to believe they can.   If they're told they're guaranteed nothing or life is not fair what is the motivation for them to do things right?  For solar, working hard seems to be a philosophy of pleasure and not pain and he believes he can achieve success.  How do we take this way and put it on to others? Give people hope that working hard will lead to success and turn working hard into a form of pleasure and not pain.  I think if this can be answered you will see the demand for socialism decrease.  Solar is onto something with this on how he views life.

I'm going to give another opinion.  It seems to be the belief here and other conservative groups that liberalism and socialism come from envy and jealously.  Maybe for some that is true but I think socialism and liberalism come from something else and that is despair.  Look at Obama.  His speeches are about hope.  What he does is he appeals not to their envy or the disdain that someone has something you don't have but he appeals to people's despair.  The people who went for Obama don't believe they can even succeed at all.  Socialism and liberalism that he and others promise gives people who vote for him and them hope.  The people he and socialists appeal to are those without hope at all and Obama promises them a new tomorrow and a better life. 

Quote from: Solar on November 02, 2018, 05:39:40 AM
See Reply #46, I saw his response before I saw yours.
But to answer your "Fair Tax System", do your own research, obviously you know nothing of a fair tax, or you wouldn't have asked.
Once it's instituted, the IRS essentially disappears, no one will have money taken out of their paycheck, that's a huge selling point, and they don't have to file to get it back.
The poor are not known for being a huge driver in the purchase of new products, so they won't really be affected, they'll no longer pay a tax on used cars etc, so again, they won't care.

But as I've pointed out, you can cut all the spending you want, bu unless you change the culture, forget it. Hell, we could eliminate the 16th and 17th, but that will not stop the socialists from killing off capitalism.
Are you not seeing reality?

Oh, and one other point, you claimed "Conservatives do not represent a majority of the voting population", that is partly true. The base makes up the majority voting block of the Conservative Right, while the remainder, the Majority of the electorate, now supports the GOP, which is "Why We Keep Winning"!

My question was "How do YOU define a Fair Tax System?", just a consumption tax?
While I might agree that would be better than what we have currently, the changes I have been trying to promote would not preclude States from employing a Fair Tax system or any other form of taxation acceptable to their citizenry, and would also eliminate the IRS. But it would also give control of much of the current spending by the Federal government back to the States, and make it more difficult for Federal laws to be created which would impose hardship upon States. An example would be the Federal minimum wage, Congress might pass a minimum wage law, but without setting a wage amount, leaving each State to determine a minimum wage that best fit their States ability to impose and result in more people looking for and finding employment producing adequate income to reduce, of not eliminate, dependency on government aid which would also be the responsibility of each individual State without funding from the Federal government.

I still am unable to see how you are going to change the culture, and I've not proposed cutting spending at all, simply moving the acquisition of revenue to where it will be spent.

"Are you seeing reality?" So you find it difficult to discuss political differences without resorting to such comments?
Do you really not see the fundamental change made to our government as a result of the 16th and 17th amendments, and the Federal Reserve Act?

We should see support of the GOP confirmed by the results of the midterms in the next few days. But the real test will be the 2020 elections.

What, exactly, is it you feel we are winning? What changes have occurred that can/will not be undone the next time the Democrats are in power? Has any major change comparable to Obamacare been achieved? Or any of the numerous Federal welfare programs, such as those created by FDR or LBJ?

In my opinion, we have won a battle, getting Trump elected along with a majority in both Houses of Congress. But the only long lasting wins were the Gorsuch and Kavanaugh confirmations to the Supreme court. Lets hope Trump can replace Ginsburg also before he leaves office.

Quote from: Individual on November 02, 2018, 11:49:20 AM
My question was "How do YOU define a Fair Tax System?", just a consumption tax?

It's not how I interpret it, just look up the Cruz plan, that is it in its simplicity.

QuoteWhile I might agree that would be better than what we have currently, the changes I have been trying to promote would not preclude States from employing a Fair Tax system or any other form of taxation acceptable to their citizenry, and would also eliminate the IRS.

That's just silly, no State can eliminate the IRS through a Fair Tax, the individual would still be liable to the Fed.

QuoteBut it would also give control of much of the current spending by the Federal government back to the States, and make it more difficult for Federal laws to be created which would impose hardship upon States. An example would be the Federal minimum wage, Congress might pass a minimum wage law, but without setting a wage amount, leaving each State to determine a minimum wage that best fit their States ability to impose and result in more people looking for and finding employment producing adequate income to reduce, of not eliminate, dependency on government aid which would also be the responsibility of each individual State without funding from the Federal government.

Ca already has a min wage above govt standards.

QuoteI still am unable to see how you are going to change the culture, and I've not proposed cutting spending at all, simply moving the acquisition of revenue to where it will be spent.

You can't change culture via govt, you can only get it out of the way. Cultural change will come when people see less govt interference in their ability to ear a living absent of govt.

Quote"Are you seeing reality?" So you find it difficult to discuss political differences without resorting to such comments?
Do you really not see the fundamental change made to our government as a result of the 16th and 17th amendments, and the Federal Reserve Act?

I'll say it again, "Are you seeing reality?" You want it all today, this is not even remotely possible, the Fed is a leach/host symbiotic relationship that cannot be removed without killing the host, it must be effected through a slow procedural change, that's the reality I speak of. In the least, it will take a minimum of 3 decades to institute, assuming it ever happens.

QuoteWe should see support of the GOP confirmed by the results of the midterms in the next few days. But the real test will be the 2020 elections.

So you don't think Trump will be reelected? :lol:

QuoteWhat, exactly, is it you feel we are winning? What changes have occurred that can/will not be undone the next time the Democrats are in power? Has any major change comparable to Obamacare been achieved? Or any of the numerous Federal welfare programs, such as those created by FDR or LBJ?

For starters, one of LBJ's successes was in destroying the Black nuclear family, and now Trump has awoken them to the tune of 40% approval and growing.
Oh, and the Dims will be lucky to recover in the next 30 years, assuming they ever do.

QuoteIn my opinion, we have won a battle, getting Trump elected along with a majority in both Houses of Congress. But the only long lasting wins were the Gorsuch and Kavanaugh confirmations to the Supreme court. Lets hope Trump can replace Ginsburg also before he leaves office.

The "ONLY Wins?" Really?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_nov02

Trump at 51%

If he  is that high on election day  he might help elect  more senators.

The ep has taken the lead  in CT for  governor.

Quote from: alienhand on November 02, 2018, 10:45:04 AM
My opinion and I may be wrong. The problem is liberalism/socialism is a philosophy of pleasure while these things you are espousing are a philosophy of pain.  A philosophy of pleasure will always win out against a philosophy of pain.  Another thing, if a person doesn't feel like they can be self-reliant or no matter how hard they work they still lose they won't work hard or make attempts to be self-reliant.  They have to have some kind of way to believe they can.   If they're told they're guaranteed nothing or life is not fair what is the motivation for them to do things right?  For solar, working hard seems to be a philosophy of pleasure and not pain and he believes he can achieve success.  How do we take this way and put it on to others? Give people hope that working hard will lead to success and turn working hard into a form of pleasure and not pain.  I think if this can be answered you will see the demand for socialism decrease.  Solar is onto something with this on how he views life.

The pleasure of working hard and succeeding were significantly washed out of our existence when the family, church, schools, things like Boy Scouts ..... were destroyed to varying degrees.

That's where hard work and success were celebrated and encouraged / enabled.  It's no accident that these are the biggest targets of communists, dems-progs-libs-leftists, et al.  It's written verbatim in their various playbooks.  Dismantle all those things, and you're left with a pliable, mopey, society of slugs.  Ripe for the picking, and more than willing to get a free (even if it sucks) ride.  If it all works out the way they shoot for, the people willl rather have a shitty free ride, than an earned, high-quality existence.

Quote from: Solar on November 02, 2018, 12:16:35 PM
It's not how I interpret it, just look up the Cruz plan, that is it in its simplicity.

That's just silly, no State can eliminate the IRS through a Fair Tax, the individual would still be liable to the Fed.
Ca already has a min wage above govt standards.
You can't change culture via govt, you can only get it out of the way. Cultural change will come when people see less govt interference in their ability to ear a living absent of govt.
I'll say it again, "Are you seeing reality?" You want it all today, this is not even remotely possible, the Fed is a leach/host symbiotic relationship that cannot be removed without killing the host, it must be effected through a slow procedural change, that's the reality I speak of. In the least, it will take a minimum of 3 decades to institute, assuming it ever happens.
So you don't think Trump will be reelected? :lol:
For starters, one of LBJ's successes was in destroying the Black nuclear family, and now Trump has awoken them to the tune of 40% approval and growing.
Oh, and the Dims will be lucky to recover in the next 30 years, assuming they ever do.
The "ONLY Wins?" Really?

I see nothing to gain by attempting to explore the pros and cons of various methods of change in ways that might eliminate or at least reduce the consequences they place on future generations if you feel you already have the perfect, or at least the best plan to accomplish the same thing.
I'll be content to find solace in the euphoric feelings presented, and hope for the sake of all they will continue.

I'll just respect Reagans 11th commandment, and look elsewhere for those who might be receptive to discuss ways and means by which we can bring government under control of the people.

Quote from: Individual on November 02, 2018, 06:48:35 PM
I see nothing to gain by attempting to explore the pros and cons of various methods of change in ways that might eliminate or at least reduce the consequences they place on future generations if you feel you already have the perfect, or at least the best plan to accomplish the same thing.
I'll be content to find solace in the euphoric feelings presented, and hope for the sake of all they will continue.

I'll just respect Reagans 11th commandment, and look elsewhere for those who might be receptive to discuss ways and means by which we can bring government under control of the people.

OK, tell us, how do you plan to institute abolishing the 14th and 16th ?

Quote from: Solar on November 02, 2018, 08:58:23 PM
OK, tell us, how do you plan to institute abolishing the 14th and 16th ?

We're a long way from even attempting to discuss "HOW" we might accomplish anything at all.
I would hope we could first identify clearly, in a more or less unanimous way, what we would like to accomplish and then move on by identifying various methods and means by which such changes could presented to others increasing the momentum.
Actually, the amendments I have for years been bringing up as needing to be repealed are the 16th and 17th, and only recently have added the 14th amendment because of our immigration issues.
The thing about elections is that those who supported the winning candidate quite often did so for greatly varying reasons, which regardless of the voter margin do not provide a mandate for change on any one issue. I, for example, would have voted for the Republican candidate no matter who it was, or what their agenda was, simply because I knew none of the third party candidates regardless of their agenda being more acceptable to me had any chance at all to win the election and the least desirable outcome would have been for Hillary Clinton to win, or any other Democrat had she lost the primary.
For me the most important issue to resolve is for the people and the States to retake control of our Federal government, reducing its size and scope, where our representatives are made subservient to their constituents who by number of votes have put them in the position they hold rather than the amount of dollars a few large donors had made to their campaigns.
If you feel I'm wasting time, yours or mine, by attempting to begin a rational discussion to achieve a growing consensus to bring about change, say so and I will again leave this forum in peace contented by the assumption that those who claim to be conservative here will at least support conservative views going forward.
As I'm likely much older than most, if not all, of those posting here I can only hope that the year 1913 will not be forgotten as issues we currently are dealing with reach a crisis point sometime in the future.

Quote from: Individual on November 03, 2018, 12:30:18 AM
We're a long way from even attempting to discuss "HOW" we might accomplish anything at all.
I would hope we could first identify clearly, in a more or less unanimous way, what we would like to accomplish and then move on by identifying various methods and means by which such changes could presented to others increasing the momentum.
Actually, the amendments I have for years been bringing up as needing to be repealed are the 16th and 17th, and only recently have added the 14th amendment because of our immigration issues.he thing about elections is
That those who supported the winning candidate quite often did so for greatly varying reasons, which regardless of the voter margin do not provide a mandate for change on any one issue. I, for example, would have voted for the Republican candidate no matter who it was, or what their agenda was, simply because I knew none of the third party candidates regardless of their agenda being more acceptable to me had any chance at all to win the election and the least desirable outcome would have been for Hillary Clinton to win, or any other Democrat had she lost the primary.
For me the most important issue to resolve is for the people and the States to retake control of our Federal government, reducing its size and scope, where our representatives are made subservient to their constituents who by number of votes have put them in the position they hold rather than the amount of dollars a few large donors had made to their campaigns.
If you feel I'm wasting time, yours or mine, by attempting to begin a rational discussion to achieve a growing consensus to bring about change, say so and I will again leave this forum in peace contented by the assumption that those who claim to be conservative here will at least support conservative views going forward.
As I'm likely much older than most, if not all, of those posting here I can only hope that the year 1913 will not be forgotten as issues we currently are dealing with reach a crisis point sometime in the future.

Since Reagan, I have voted for who I want in the primaries and then voted against someone in the general election. If we want to see change in how the government is run start small like a balanced budget amendment. If government can not get spending under control it does not matter how taxes are collected, we know who will be paying them.  Agree whole heartedly with giving power back to states, what to see states run better, make sure there is never a bail out, give them a right to fail. (be a good example for the rest of them0

Quote from: Individual on November 03, 2018, 12:30:18 AM
We're a long way from even attempting to discuss "HOW" we might accomplish anything at all.
I would hope we could first identify clearly, in a more or less unanimous way, what we would like to accomplish and then move on by identifying various methods and means by which such changes could presented to others increasing the momentum.

Look, you were the one that derailed the thread with this nonsense and now you backpedal and tell me you want to discuss "HOW" we might accomplish it?
I told you how we can do it, and for some reason you claim cultural shock is better via amending the Constitution, which I say is not only a way of killing our movement, but a nonstarter because with the current climate and the Congress we have currently, you would kill the momentum TEA has built towards seizing Congress because the rest of the country would view such changes as radical.
This is why you need to first change the culture, "Baby Steps".

QuoteActually, the amendments I have for years been bringing up as needing to be repealed are the 16th and 17th, and only recently have added the 14th amendment because of our immigration issues.
The thing about elections is that those who supported the winning candidate quite often did so for greatly varying reasons, which regardless of the voter margin do not provide a mandate for change on any one issue.

Aww Jeez, this has been my point to you the entire time, that there are baby steps involved when making cultural change, and now you want to eliminate the Right for Blacks to vote?
You do realize, that's how this is going to be spun, right?

QuoteI, for example, would have voted for the Republican candidate no matter who it was, or what their agenda was, simply because I knew none of the third party candidates regardless of their agenda being more acceptable to me had any chance at all to win the election and the least desirable outcome would have been for Hillary Clinton to win, or any other Democrat had she lost the primary.

Not I, but that's another subject altogether.

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For me the most important issue to resolve is for the people and the States to retake control of our Federal government, reducing its size and scope, where our representatives are made subservient to their constituents who by number of votes have put them in the position they hold rather than the amount of dollars a few large donors had made to their campaigns.

Have you even been reading what I write?

QuoteIf you feel I'm wasting time, yours or mine, by attempting to begin a rational discussion to achieve a growing consensus to bring about change, say so and I will again leave this forum in peace contented by the assumption that those who claim to be conservative here will at least support conservative views going forward.

It's not that you are wasting time, I think you are still stuck on "Paulbot" mode and need to come back to reality. After all I've written and explained, you now suddenly claim my points have been yours all along?

QuoteAs I'm likely much older than most, if not all, of those posting here I can only hope that the year 1913 will not be forgotten as issues we currently are dealing with reach a crisis point sometime in the future.

Are you under the illusion we're all young whipper snappers? Hell, a few are pushing the century mark, while the majority hovers in their 70s and 80s, which explains the collective wisdom rooted in this forum, and yes, we have Millennial's as well that get it.
But if you're older than that, well, that might explain a lot about comprehension, and no, I'm not insulting you, just pointing out the fact that you fail to make your case, all the while somehow claiming I'm wrong yet repeating my words as if you own them.

We can both agree that the only way change is going to take place, is if we purge leftist from the GOP, the Dim party is irrelevant at this point and our main focus should be to steal the GOP and make it our own.
You may want to read through this forums older posts to get an idea of who we are, we are in no way Republicans, we are TEA, small govt Conservatives Hell bent on returning this Nation to its Founding Ideals in a way that brings the majority along.
We also have another site of original works called conservativehardliner.com that has some articles we've written on the subject.

Quote from: s3779m on November 03, 2018, 02:56:45 AM
Since Reagan, I have voted for who I want in the primaries and then voted against someone in the general election. If we want to see change in how the government is run start small like a balanced budget amendment. If government can not get spending under control it does not matter how taxes are collected, we know who will be paying them.  Agree whole heartedly with giving power back to states, what to see states run better, make sure there is never a bail out, give them a right to fail. (be a good example for the rest of them0

Pretty much the same for me, along with Reagan, Eisenhower was a President who had my full support before, during, and after the election.
It would be much easier to balance the Federal budget by eliminating it from being a funding source for State spending primarily for the direct benefit of citizens and other inhabitants of individual States. By eliminating Federal pork from the budget process, States could then be allowed to borrow in times of need, with repayment mandatory over a fixed time period along with a low interest rate slightly greater than the annual inflation rate. State and local governments would be made the primary source for citizens of each State to air their grievances, if any, for prompt attention in resolving any/all issues within their State. States could look at each other to see if another State has found a way to resolve a similar issue and copy what works best with modification if found necessary.

But that's just my opinion.

Quote from: AndyJackson on November 02, 2018, 10:23:17 AM
Just realized that my list of good presidents has an interesting tie - in :

Washington - Rev War
Lincoln - Civil War
Ike - WW2
Reagan - Cold War
Trump - Obama / Clinton final putsch to end America

verrrry interesting .......

Nice observation - I'm too historically illiterate to have every put that realization together. Thank you!

I agree - very interesting. I don't think most (even Conservatives) think / realize that what BO was working toward was as serious a threat to our country as these major wars. Trump has the lead during the "Globalist War" that BO was leading. As you said, akin to the Civil War but without the outright killing; the deaths are just deferred for when the Marxists would take control. It's more akin to the Bolshevik revolution except in this case, BO was leading it; maybe more like when Lenin came to power analogous to when BO came to power. Fortunately, our constitution held and we voted BO / HiLIARy out ... but it took a miracle. 

That last election was truly a miracle (supernatural) from my viewpoint. I still can't believe Hilliary lost ... nor can she . And I still can't believe that Trump has done as much good as he has. Although I also can't believe that the Pubs haven't gotten their act more together ... Solar blames the RINOs and I'm not so sure that's enough to explain congresses paralysis. Hoping we'll find out next year.

Quote from: alienhand on November 02, 2018, 11:48:31 AM
I'm going to give another opinion.  It seems to be the belief here and other conservative groups that liberalism and socialism come from envy and jealously.  Maybe for some that is true but I think socialism and liberalism come from something else and that is despair.  Look at Obama.  His speeches are about hope.  What he does is he appeals not to their envy or the disdain that someone has something you don't have but he appeals to people's despair.  The people who went for Obama don't believe they can even succeed at all.  Socialism and liberalism that he and others promise gives people who vote for him and them hope.  The people he and socialists appeal to are those without hope at all and Obama promises them a new tomorrow and a better life.

We all are motivated by hope. Or maybe more importantly, we all seek to avoid lack of hope - which I think defines despair. My view is that true faith establishes stable hope (living water as is said) ... versus hope driven by circumstance. Solar's convinced me not to mix specifics of my faith on this part of the forum, so I'll just leave that thought there.

But I believe that demonstrated and consistent models establish how we react to despair. That's a part of why good, stable, and even generational families are so important. And why the attack on the family matters so much.

Two examples that illustrate the impact of demonstrated models:

1) I worked with a kid who grew up in a poor area. He was good at football and not so good at learning. A full-ride to a college but he couldn't cut the new culture. He went back and was more comfortable leading a life on welfare than finding an alternative. I even invited him to live with me to find a way out without living in the mire ... but he refused. It freaked him out. The examples he knew were from that culture.

2) I grew up in a middle class family - father worked hard, hardly ever home, meager wage. He fought to put food on the table ... and to own a table. He didn't put any words or money into my transition into adulthood (working life) ... didn't believe college mattered (in the 80's). I finished high school, started college, and  dropped out. A couple years later, ended up living in an abandoned farm house with a friend ... it had no heat. Then I woke up. Fought my way back working got into college, graduated, and got a job. My life is now comfortable and stable - and I've built that into my kids and am building it into my grandchildren. Also into the community when / if the community is interested ... that's another problem.

Here's the point. Both the people in the stories basically were impoverished and at a point of despair ... needed to find a way back to hope. And we both followed the models we grew up in. The young man I knew went back to what he grew up in and lived in that culture - government welfare to make the basics. I went back to my father's work ethic and pulled hard in that culture.

Where we grow up is pretty fundamental to how we pursue hope from despair.

And so, to me your post might not emphasize the main point. People can be manipulated by rhetoric toward hope that is based in their culture - both dims and pubs. As some have pointed out in other posts, it might take generations for someone in an impoverished culture to realize a way out. Some do swim upstream, but it's rare. Those rare cases have learned to think for themselves - beyond where they grew up and what they have experienced there. All others depend on slow culture changes to evolve.

Quote from: Solar on November 03, 2018, 05:31:38 AM
Look, you were the one that derailed the thread with this nonsense and now you backpedal and tell me you want to discuss "HOW" we might accomplish it?
I told you how we can do it, and for some reason you claim cultural shock is better via amending the Constitution, which I say is not only a way of killing our movement, but a nonstarter because with the current climate and the Congress we have currently, you would kill the momentum TEA has built towards seizing Congress because the rest of the country would view such changes as radical.
This is why you need to first change the culture, "Baby Steps".

Aww Jeez, this has been my point to you the entire time, that there are baby steps involved when making cultural change, and now you want to eliminate the Right for Blacks to vote?
You do realize, that's how this is going to be spun, right?
Not I, but that's another subject altogether.

Have you even been reading what I write?

It's not that you are wasting time, I think you are still stuck on "Paulbot" mode and need to come back to reality. After all I've written and explained, you now suddenly claim my points have been yours all along?
Are you under the illusion we're all young whipper snappers? Hell, a few are pushing the century mark, while the majority hovers in their 70s and 80s, which explains the collective wisdom rooted in this forum, and yes, we have Millennial's as well that get it.
But if you're older than that, well, that might explain a lot about comprehension, and no, I'm not insulting you, just pointing out the fact that you fail to make your case, all the while somehow claiming I'm wrong yet repeating my words as if you own them.

We can both agree that the only way change is going to take place, is if we purge leftist from the GOP, the Dim party is irrelevant at this point and our main focus should be to steal the GOP and make it our own.
You may want to read through this forums older posts to get an idea of who we are, we are in no way Republicans, we are TEA, small govt Conservatives Hell bent on returning this Nation to its Founding Ideals in a way that brings the majority along.
We also have another site of original works called conservativehardliner.com that has some articles we've written on the subject.

Well, forgive me for "derailing" this thread.
I'll not intrude any further, allowing you to celebrate all the proclaimed winnings.

Quote from: topside on November 03, 2018, 07:45:50 AM
Nice observation - I'm too historically illiterate to have every put that realization together. Thank you!

I agree - very interesting. I don't think most (even Conservatives) think / realize that what BO was working toward was as serious a threat to our country as these major wars. Trump has the lead during the "Globalist War" that BO was leading. As you said, akin to the Civil War but without the outright killing; the deaths are just deferred for when the Marxists would take control. It's more akin to the Bolshevik revolution except in this case, BO was leading it; maybe more like when Lenin came to power analogous to when BO came to power. Fortunately, our constitution held and we voted BO / HiLIARy out ... but it took a miracle. 

That last election was truly a miracle (supernatural) from my viewpoint. I still can't believe Hilliary lost ... nor can she . And I still can't believe that Trump has done as much good as he has. Although I also can't believe that the Pubs haven't gotten their act more together ... Solar blames the RINOs and I'm not so sure that's enough to explain congresses paralysis. Hoping we'll find out next year.

RINO is just a descriptor for leftist thief, these people care nothing about the country, culture and least of all, the people who put them in office. And yes, most of these scum are leftist plants by their leftist corporate supporters looking to change the law to benefit foreign interests in the US.
Like I said in the OP, once NAFTA was enacted, the left was free to steal American business and do with it as they pleased all the while hiding under the American flag.
These are the people that saw to it the Establishment GOP support their candidates, or risk losing all the the Dim party.
What the Establishment never expected, was an actual American uprising  against Marxists of all stripes, and yes, these same interests ran the Dim party into the ground and were able to infiltrate the GOP.

This war is simple, yet amazingly complicated because finding the enemy within is a tough battle, but one we're winning. And no, real Conservatives have known since day one what and who Hussein is all because we knew what his benefactors are, Communists.