Quote from: Béal Feirste on February 16, 2017, 05:59:44 AM
Typical conservative, when YOU get taxpayer money it's patriotic, when someone else get's taxpayer money you get angry that's some leech of society. Yes the Constitution demands that YOU get special treatment, always some justification isn't there? Try making your own way in life for once, and try not to get scared every-time somebody mentions the Islamic State. And try not to lie, for gods sake this is the Internet and it takes me all of 4 seconds to look up your 30% statistic. Even Briebart with their rather unique interpretation of the facts won't back you up on that figure (they say 30% in some states and that figure isn't well sourced). The real reason out want to keep out immigrants is the fear they might be innovative and hard-working. You're afraid of the job competition so you seek to use the government to eliminate that competition and you use the excuse of terrorism because "they might be better than me" doesn't sound very capitalist of you. Socialists and conservatives all think that they are somehow entitled to free money, or artificial job protection, or for the government to do anything to protect them from the horrors of the free-market. 
What? Suddenly you care if Northern Ireland is overrun by paramilitaries? Wasn't there a nice long period where it wasn't your problem? Where was your precious, freedom-loving army when Irish were being shot, blown up, and interned without trial? Lots of schemes to turn northern Ireland into a socialist state, or a protestant state but first I've heard of anyone trying to turn it into an islamic state. Frankly I'd be impressed if some 4,000 muslims managed to do that, it'd be quite resourceful of them. If they try though fear not, for us Irish love a good fight! We'll stop them here and save America!

You really are having a hard time with this.  The military isn't a social welfare program.  It's our national defense.  It's what our taxes ARE SUPPOSED to be going to.

I'm curious, why is this difficult for you to understand?

Quote from: taxed on February 16, 2017, 07:46:45 AM
You really are having a hard time with this.  The military isn't a social welfare program.  It's our national defense.  It's what our taxes ARE SUPPOSED to be going to.

I'm curious, why is this difficult for you to understand?

Simple I believe your military spending goes far beyond simple defense into the realm of social welfare, military spending seems to be a massive government expense. But the real problem is that it is social welfare for a particular part of society, it's an uneven playing field by degree that some members of that society are more deserving, regardless of actual skill and that is a distortion of free market to play favourites. But most important of all is that your veterans act entitled, like everyone from every country should bow to them for their great selfless deeds. You see if I'm hiring you I really don't care what war you've fought in for what other country, I only care about the ability to do your job.

I'm curious as to why public healthcare is so difficult for you Americans to understand. I believe the saying is life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness yes? In case you were wondering the NHS is not mandatory, I can choose to switch to something else unlike Obama's plan of forcing citizens to purchase a product. To put it into perspective my questioning of taxpayer money into defense can be direct compared to your questioning of taxpayer money of of healthcare.

Quote from: Béal Feirste on February 16, 2017, 08:37:50 AM
Simple I believe your military spending goes far beyond simple defense into the realm of social welfare, military spending seems to be a massive government expense. But the real problem is that it is social welfare for a particular part of society, it's an uneven playing field by degree that some members of that society are more deserving, regardless of actual skill and that is a distortion of free market to play favourites. But most important of all is that your veterans act entitled, like everyone from every country should bow to them for their great selfless deeds. You see if I'm hiring you I really don't care what war you've fought in for what other country, I only care about the ability to do your job.

I'm curious as to why public healthcare is so difficult for you Americans to understand. I believe the saying is life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness yes? In case you were wondering the NHS is not mandatory, I can choose to switch to something else unlike Obama's plan of forcing citizens to purchase a product. To put it into perspective my questioning of taxpayer money into defense can be direct compared to your questioning of taxpayer money of of healthcare.

What is your problem with US military personnel and veterans? They deserve special treatment because they chose to defend our country at a very low wage. They are special folks and you sir have no license to criticize them. Also, please explain how our veterans seem entitled in your view.

Quote from: Béal Feirste on February 16, 2017, 08:37:50 AM
Simple I believe your military spending goes far beyond simple defense into the realm of social welfare, military spending seems to be a massive government expense. But the real problem is that it is social welfare for a particular part of society, it's an uneven playing field by degree that some members of that society are more deserving, regardless of actual skill and that is a distortion of free market to play favourites. But most important of all is that your veterans act entitled, like everyone from every country should bow to them for their great selfless deeds. You see if I'm hiring you I really don't care what war you've fought in for what other country, I only care about the ability to do your job.

Then you are truly deluded.  Seriously deluded. As in you do not know A FUCKING THING about how our military budget is spent (way too much on hierarchy and unneeded infrastructure and not nearly as much as you indicate on personnel.) Nor do you have one foggy fucking clue how our veterans are actually treated, especially compared to what they have earned.  Do you think that caring for a soldier whose leg was blown off by giving him a proper prosthetic and continuing care to assure that prosthetic continues to work through the years is SOCIAL WELFARE?  And before you spout off again about veterans acting entitled, I strongly suggest you do a bit of research about the number of homeless vets wandering around because our progressive government is full of assholes like you.

The fact that you are sitting comfortably at your computer with the freedom to spout typical socialist anti-military crap can be directly attributed to those who fought against the various dictators and dictator wannabes through the years who would have stripped your rights from you had they not been successfully put down. Where would Ireland be if the Brits had not held off Hitler's forces long enough for the allied forces to kick them out of the rest of Europe? And if you believe the leadership of the former Soviet Union would have been satisfied to sit behind the buffer zone of soviet satellite states if NATO were not there to act as an opposing force had they decided to get frisky, then you are even more deluded than I have already surmised.

Sure, as an employer, one is most concerned about the ability to do the job. But what factors do you use to determine whether a person WILL do the job, as opposed to simply able to? A piece of paper from a college is well and good for indicating a person as the requisite knowledge, but not so much how they act when the boss ain't looking. Do you consider other factors, like work ethic? Who is more likely to see things through when left on their own to accomplish a given set of tasks: the kid who partied their way through a graphic arts degree, or the kid who stood by his mates while the bullets were flying? And while I acknowledge that military people are human beings, with good ones and bad ones, the fact is most of the bad ones are unable to make it through a full enlistment. The core of an unethical person almost invariably comes out, and they generally end up with some type of other-than-honorable discharge, if not sent to prison. Those who complete one or more full terms of service with an honorable discharge at the end can, 99.9+% of the time, be counted on as an honorable person, AND a desirable employee. If they also have the requisite skills and or credentials for the position being considered, you'd do well by placing vets toward the top of your hiring pile.

Quote from: Béal Feirste on February 16, 2017, 08:37:50 AM
Simple I believe your military spending goes far beyond simple defense into the realm of social welfare,

Our military is not a social program.  I've seen some pretty stupid liberals, but you're quickly descending to a new level of idiocy.  Our military protects our country.

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military spending seems to be a massive government expense.

Tanks, guns, fighter jets, training, and all that stuff costs money.  Sure, there's overspending, waste, fraud, and abuse, but no expense should be spared for our military and national defense.  The bigger and more powerful our military, the better.

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But the real problem is that it is social welfare for a particular part of society,

No it isn't. That's something only a stupid person would say.

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it's an uneven playing field by degree that some members of that society are more deserving, regardless of actual skill and that is a distortion of free market to play favourites.

Starbucks doesn't take a lot of smarts.  The dumbest person on the planet can make coffee.  It's not fair to us Americans that we have to co-exist with refugees and disgusting third world illegals.  We like a nice, clean, low-crime country, and people with your attitude are screwing it up.

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But most important of all is that your veterans act entitled, like everyone from every country should bow to them for their great selfless deeds.

That would be nice...

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You see if I'm hiring you I really don't care what war you've fought in for what other country, I only care about the ability to do your job.

Starbucks is a good place to hire vets, and a good place not to hire refugees.  I don't want unvetted third worlders touching my food or drink.  No thanks.

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I'm curious as to why public healthcare is so difficult for you Americans to understand.

Because it's crappy.  We don't want a crappy system like yours.  We like the best.  You guys can't even get your teeth fixed.

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I believe the saying is life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness yes? In case you were wondering the NHS is not mandatory, I can choose to switch to something else unlike Obama's plan of forcing citizens to purchase a product.

Obama's attempt at the health care scam is crumbling on its own.  We'll be back to a free market system in no time.

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To put it into perspective my questioning of taxpayer money into defense can be direct compared to your questioning of taxpayer money of of healthcare.

No.  Health care is not a right.  Our doctors and health care professionals aren't government service drones.  They are highly skilled and well educated, and command a higher dollar.  Please don't compare our doctors and surgeons that the rest of the world flocks to when they really need treatment to your crappy third world system.

Quote from: Béal Feirste on February 16, 2017, 05:59:44 AM
Typical conservative, when YOU get taxpayer money it's patriotic, when someone else get's taxpayer money you get angry that's some leech of society. Yes the Constitution demands that YOU get special treatment, always some justification isn't there? Try making your own way in life for once, and try not to get scared every-time somebody mentions the Islamic State. And try not to lie, for gods sake this is the Internet and it takes me all of 4 seconds to look up your 30% statistic. Even Briebart with their rather unique interpretation of the facts won't back you up on that figure (they say 30% in some states and that figure isn't well sourced). The real reason out want to keep out immigrants is the fear they might be innovative and hard-working. You're afraid of the job competition so you seek to use the government to eliminate that competition and you use the excuse of terrorism because "they might be better than me" doesn't sound very capitalist of you. Socialists and conservatives all think that they are somehow entitled to free money, or artificial job protection, or for the government to do anything to protect them from the horrors of the free-market. 
What? Suddenly you care if Northern Ireland is overrun by paramilitaries? Wasn't there a nice long period where it wasn't your problem? Where was your precious, freedom-loving army when Irish were being shot, blown up, and interned without trial? Lots of schemes to turn northern Ireland into a socialist state, or a protestant state but first I've heard of anyone trying to turn it into an islamic state. Frankly I'd be impressed if some 4,000 muslims managed to do that, it'd be quite resourceful of them. If they try though fear not, for us Irish love a good fight! We'll stop them here and save America!

Answer my question COWARD...[/b]WHY AREN'T YOU HIRING REFUGEE"S?

WHY AREN'T YOU SPONSORING THEM TO HELP YOU BAKE YOUR COOKIES?


Put up or shut up phony

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on February 16, 2017, 01:41:30 PM

Answer my question COWARD...[/b]WHY AREN'T YOU HIRING REFUGEE"S?

WHY AREN'T YOU SPONSORING THEM TO HELP YOU BAKE YOUR COOKIES?

Mainly because we don't bake them. More bread and cake really.

Quote from: Béal Feirste on February 16, 2017, 01:53:02 PM
Mainly because we don't bake them. More bread and cake really.

How many refugees have you hired over the past few years?

Quote from: taxed on February 16, 2017, 01:54:09 PM
How many refugees have you hired over the past few years?

Sorry, couldn't resist.
In the last year? I honestly couldn't say. Not a question I ask, and not one I consider relevant to the hiring process. Visas have to be confirmed but if a person is given refugee status they only come up as a Tier 2 on the computer, I can say I have been involved in the hiring of a single Tier 2 from Indonesia, it's possible she's a refugee but I don't know. Had another a guy from Slovenia of all places a few months back but he didn't stay long (probably not a refugee but only other foreign hire). If a refugee came in with a sign saying "I'm a refugee HIRE ME" that would probably be a point against them but for non-refugee related reasons. If anybody is wondering why I haven't gone out of my way to SPONSOR a refugee, well that isn't legal, it isn't solely my decision, and we haven't the resources, we're not Starbucks.

Quote from: Béal Feirste on February 16, 2017, 02:04:58 PM
Sorry, couldn't resist.
In the last year? I honestly couldn't say. Not a question I ask, and not one I consider relevant to the hiring process. Visas have to be confirmed but if a person is given refugee status they only come up as a Tier 2 on the computer, I can say I have been involved in the hiring of a single Tier 2 from Indonesia, it's possible she's a refugee but I don't know. Had another a guy from Slovenia of all places a few months back but he didn't stay long. If a refugee came in with a sign saying "I'm a refugee HIRE ME" that would probably be a point against them but for non-refugee related reasons.

Are you guys accepting refugees that the US rejects?

Quote from: taxed on February 16, 2017, 02:07:57 PM
Are you guys accepting refugees that the US rejects?

Of course not. The UK is being led by a conservative government, led on by a majority that recently voted to restrict the borders. The Irish government down south is more welcoming but few refugees make it that far and of course the Northern Irish government has no say (and even if it did the Northern Irish government doesn't exactly...function).
EDIT: Actually the Northern Irish gov't does have a Syrian relocation scheme in place but I'm unsure how well it works, I had to look it up to find it.

Quote from: Béal Feirste on February 16, 2017, 02:18:42 PM
Of course not. The UK is being led by a conservative government, led on by a majority that recently voted to restrict the borders. The Irish government down south is more welcoming but few refugees make it that far and of course the Northern Irish government has no say (and even if it did the Northern Irish government doesn't exactly...function).
EDIT: Actually the Northern Irish gov't does have a Syrian relocation scheme in place but I'm unsure how well it works, I had to look it up to find it.

The UK has a nasty muzzie problem right now.  The Queen will be wearing a burqa by this time next year.

Quote from: taxed on February 16, 2017, 02:34:16 PM
The UK has a nasty muzzie problem right now.  The Queen will be wearing a burqa by this time next year.

The good people of UKIP were saying something similar a year ago. As such I'm far more worried about what the aforementioned non-functioning government and Brexit are going to do to the business. Going to make any cross-border commerce annoying I'll bet.

Quote from: Béal Feirste on February 16, 2017, 02:43:38 PM
The good people of UKIP were saying something similar a year ago. As such I'm far more worried about what the aforementioned non-functioning government and Brexit are going to do to the business. Going to make any cross-border commerce annoying I'll bet.

You're not a fan of brexit?

Quote from: taxed on February 16, 2017, 02:44:25 PM
You're not a fan of brexit?

Personally I have dual citizenship so it won't effect me that much but it's less Brexit and more specifically leaving the single market, the customs union is rather beneficial to businesses and northern ireland was about ready to lower tax rates to harmonize them with the rest of the island. Plus when filling out paperwork you only have to fill out one set of forms, now any trade outside the UK will mean paperwork for UK regulations AND different paperwork for EU regulations. More generally there's fear among the nationalists that its going to cut us off from the republic with a closed border.