Quote from: Hoofer on July 17, 2016, 09:03:02 AM
I prefer the "vote the bastards out" method over Civil War - We almost got over that hump with Ted Cruz, my fear is the course of the nation for the next quarter century is about to be determined.  Either Trump or Hillary will set the same stage, other than gender, is there a difference in either?  Oh, they'll leave their "mark" on society and history will remember them (poorly).

As do I, but the GOP has proven they will fight dirty to keep us down.
My reasoning is a generation willing to fight, is the generation that remembers better days for Freedom and liberty, in 30 years there will be very few left, aside from a hand full of their prodigy taught to understand our Constitution and beyond all else, to protect the Bill of Rights, few will know what has been lost.
Honestly, I don't believe enough will be around to establish change and the Marxists will have won if we don't fight soon.

Pessimism is not something I'm known for, but when your own party allies with communists, what recourse do we have?
Lets be honest, the GOP chose a leftist over a Conservative. That's all the evidence the country needs to realize the GOP are the Dim party's merchants for Marxism.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 09:13:40 AM
As do I, but the GOP has proven they will fight dirty to keep us down.
My reasoning is a generation willing to fight, is the generation that remembers better days for Freedom and liberty, in 30 years there will be very few left, aside from a hand full of their prodigy taught to understand our Constitution and beyond all else, to protect the Bill of Rights, few will know what has been lost.
Honestly, I don't believe enough will be around to establish change and the Marxists will have won if we don't fight soon.

Pessimism is not something I'm known for, but when your own party allies with communists, what recourse do we have?
Lets be honest, the GOP chose a leftist over a Conservative. That's all the evidence the country needs to realize the GOP are the Dim party's merchants for Marxism.

Dirty fighters, Bohner and McConnel come to mind.
If this information revolution continues, the information revolution isn't diluted by so much trash - I'm very optimistic.  Trump in the GOP might be just the kick in the nads needed to get more Conservatives involved.

Quote from: Hoofer on July 17, 2016, 09:57:43 AM
Dirty fighters, Bohner and McConnel come to mind.
If this information revolution continues, the information revolution isn't diluted by so much trash - I'm very optimistic.  Trump in the GOP might be just the kick in the nads needed to get more Conservatives involved.

Or angry enough to fight?

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 10:16:33 AM
Or angry enough to fight?

Good question.  Angry enough to form a new party, fund it and work for the cause of Liberty & Freedom?

I don't think we're there yet.  On the other hand, the longer it takes, the fewer of us will be left.

Quote from: Hoofer on July 17, 2016, 10:24:04 AM
Good question.  Angry enough to form a new party, fund it and work for the cause of Liberty & Freedom?

I don't think we're there yet.  On the other hand, the longer it takes, the fewer of us will be left.

I don't either, anyway not unless pushed harder, which is always a possibility...
I don't see a new party being formed, not this generation anyway, because we still see the value in stealing the GOP from the marxists.

Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2016, 11:32:15 AM
I don't either, anyway not unless pushed harder, which is always a possibility...
I don't see a new party being formed, not this generation anyway, because we still see the value in stealing the GOP from the marxists.

Well financially STARVING the GOP is beginning to get their attention.
I find it humorous to get these emails, "Send us money to stop this heathen democrat and their wicked agenda!!!"... and they stop just short of describing themselves.

Quote from: Hoofer on July 17, 2016, 12:22:09 PM
Well financially STARVING the GOP is beginning to get their attention.
I find it humorous to get these emails, "Send us money to stop this heathen democrat and their wicked agenda!!!"... and they stop just short of describing themselves.

You're right, they are in panic mode, the base abandoned their worthless scummy asses.
They're literally living off the crumbs of leftists now.

Sheldon Adelson was asked to kick in $6 million to pay off the shortfall in contributions for the GOP convention. Evidently both Pepsi and Coke have both withdrawn pledges, among other big corporate sponsors.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-companies-idUSKCN0ZW060

Follow-up point about Adelson....

QuoteBack in May, during a meeting at the St. Regis Hotel in New York, Adelson told Trump he was willing to contribute substantially to the presumptive Republican nominee's campaign. But no money has been spent yet, in part because a network of pro-Trump super PACs declined to stand aside. Adelson didn't want to fork over cash that would duplicate those efforts, according to a source close to the casino magnate. During Trump's deliberations over the vice-presidential pick, Adelson's allies made clear that he would open the spigot if Gingrich—on whose 2012 presidential campaign Adelson dropped more than $20 million—was the pick, the Adelson ally said.

But the strings-attached offer turned Trump off, according to a Trump confidant. "Trump cannot be bought," says a Trump ally, who was not authorized to speak on the record. "And he didn't like the insinuation that [Adelson] has more money than he does."

http://time.com/4409330/donald-trump-mike-pence-vice-president-2/

Quote from: quiller on July 18, 2016, 02:14:33 AM
Follow-up point about Adelson....

http://time.com/4409330/donald-trump-mike-pence-vice-president-2/

Gee, why all the desperation from a multi billionaire that claimed he was self funding his own campaign?
I have one of those desperation mailers Trump campaign sends out begging for for money. It's a 9 question survey comparing Trump and Clinton, and the recipient is supposed to answer Yes/No, No Opinion.
Problem is, that's all he could come up with, crap like the Debt, foreign policy, Military, basically little things because trump fundamentally is no different than Clinton, but this mailer is designed to make the donor believe a stark difference exists between the two.

I got thin delivered to my box by accident, it was supposed to go to an idiot neighbor with mental issues.
Not looking at the address, I opened it and was baffled as to why Trump would waste money begging for money from me, then I saw the address.
Point is, the mailer was costly, but the content is on a level of a 8th grade class assignment and the most mediocre of projects was chosen to represent the campaign.
Donations start at $50.0, $75.0 and $100, or fill in the blank sucker. Cruz only asked for a single $1. or $5.0, but Trump starts at $50 which seems real odd for a campaign, either stupid or desperate I don't know, but this, mailer, outside of Dims, is the worst I've seen in my lifetime.

I just realized what should have been the obvious...

Trump probably thinks it's beneath him to appeal to the common (not so wealthy) man for money.  It's those guys outside his elitist circle of friends, imagine them taunting Donald for rubbing shoulders with "ugly" and "poor" people.

Maybe they have to be coached... "do not frown or laugh at the plain Jane types in the audience, focus on the teleprompter... we need their votes, after that, you can flip-them-off."  Yeah, it sucks, having to lower yourself before millions to beg like a commoner for a silly vote.

Maybe they want to subliminally communicate, "If you vote for Donald, you'll become as pretty as me!"  squinty little eyes...
A Glamor or Fashion Show...  maybe one of the girls will break a heel walking out to the podium, or the boys will come down with hiccups or uncontrollably belching.  I might watch that.

What would Alex Jones say, if Donald pulled a rabbit out of his hat, and swallowed it whole, like a Reptilian from "V"?   Yeah, he's kinda got that big throat & head cocked forward... you just never know..

The Republican Party must end.

The party as it is needs to be put to pasture regardless if it is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump.

Quote from: tac on July 17, 2016, 07:49:21 AM
My problem is that the conservative banner is now being stomped to death by so called conservatives. It is mind numbing to see them supporting a self proclaimed liberal that changes his mind every time he open his mouth.

It's not being stomped to death by conservatives, but being independent minded conservatives, we always have trouble uniting behind any one candidate. OTOH, the unprincipled power mongers quickly decide upon backing one candidate, and if necessary force all the other establishment types out.

This is what I'm hoping for.  Don't get me wrong, I don't hold the Democratic Party in high esteem either.  But if Trump succeeds in fracturing the GOP base into multiple groups that are intractably divisive, it could spell the end of the GOP as a significant national party.  This could create the opportunity for another Party or political movement to step in and provide a TRUE alternative choice.  Of course I am hoping that the libertarians would fill that void. 

As an aside, who do you think was the last genuinely conservative US president?