Judge him by what he says, not by what others are saying about him.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform

Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:

    Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
    Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
    Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn't Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
    Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
    Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
    Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
    Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation's government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.

Providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments.

To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program we will need to install programs that grow the economy and bring capital and jobs back to America. The best social program has always been a job – and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs.


READ AND LEARN.

Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 06:13:43 AM
Judge him by what he says, not by what others are saying about him.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform

Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:

    Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
    Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
    Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn't Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
    Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
    Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
    Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
    Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation's government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.

Providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments.

To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program we will need to install programs that grow the economy and bring capital and jobs back to America. The best social program has always been a job – and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs.


READ AND LEARN.

Again, as many have said, when did THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN come out with that?  I believe it was shortly after he advocated his long held previous position believing in some form of single payer health care reform.  They had to get a false flag position out there to put down what he really believes.

....but ya know, the ole dog just cant stop tripping up on who he really is, case in point the other night at the town hall where he advocated that "health care" being on of 3 responsibilities of the Federal Govt..... just goes to show you cant teach an ole Lib new tricks.

...and quite siting Reagan, his views "evolved" over decades, not months

Quote from: reason10 link=topic=24643.msg300134#msg300134 date=146020762:

Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn't Congress allow individuals the same exemptions?

???

That's illogical.  Shows me the Don doesn't understand employer related expenses or taxation.  The employer is allowed to deduct "employer paid" insurance to it's employees, just like they are allowed to deduct employee wages or salaries. 

Employer paid insurance IS a benefit, and is an addition to salaries, as it is the cost of having that employee. 

If an employer provides the insurance to the employee, but the employee pays for the insurance (or pays for part, such as dependent care) through a payroll deduction, that amount IS NOT deductible to the employer, anymore than if a person purchases insurance on their own.

You also run into other tax related issues.  Currently, an excessive amount of unreimbursed medical expenses, including the cost of insurance, travel, prescriptions, out of pocket costs, are already deductible on the tax return schedule "A" (Itemized Deductions) and the allowable capped deduction is subject to a percentage of AGI.

Trump: I'll Replace Obamacare With Insurance for All

Donald Trump says his plan to repeal and replace Obamacare will offer coverage to everyone at cheaper prices than they are now paying.

In an interview with "60 Minutes" broadcast Sunday, Trump said, "I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not."
Trump said that as president he would make a deal with hospitals to take care of the poor at government expense, "But we're going to save so much money on the other side."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-repeal-obamacare-replace/2015/09/27/id/693577/

Isn't that what Bernie the commie is proposing? Commiecare for everyone! 

 

This whole thing is stacked with goodies that show the assistant that Donald tasked to try and figure out what conservatives want to hear has no clue about the real world.  His copy-and-past job support the article that says he tasked his assistant to listen to conservative talk radio for a year to figure out what hotbutton issue to start with to jump-start support amongst us conservatives.

Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 06:13:43 AM
    Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.

In the same sentence, he (the assistant tasked with the research job) allows competition across state lines, as long as the company complies with state requirements...

THAT ALREADY HAPPENS! 

Quote
    Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.

...I just got done laughing out loud.  HSAs have been around for a while, and millions of people are on them.  This is already in existence, even though Donald and his assistant just heard it from Dr. Carson for the first time.

Quote
    Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.

This is one of my favorites.  You wouldn't understand, since you don't understand basic economics, but this shows that Donald, nor his assistant doing the copy-and-pasting, doesn't either understand or believe in competition.  The free market, which he pretends to support, would bring prices down to where they need to be.  If he thinks he can create a world of insurance companies in a competitive market, then he would naturally understand the free market would force the prices to where they need to be to hit that sweet spot of where they can make the most money, and where it is most affordable for a consumer.  I want to give Donald the benefit of the doubt that he knows this, so he really should revise this so it doesn't make him look so clueless.

Quote
READ AND LEARN.

I have, for years.  Some of us have been and are in business, even though we weren't birthed by a woman who was knocked up by Fred Trump.  The more I hear him speak, he really has been shielded from how things work, and has adopted a liberal mindset.  That explains why he likes a single payer system, and wants the government to take care of everybody.  But, that was him speaking, and not his assistant doing a copy-and-paste job.

Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 06:13:43 AM

READ AND LEARN.

When do I get my 2.500$ is saving.  I should have save 7.500$ in the last 3 year.   But it has cost me more then 8.000$ more then I was paying 3 years ago.   All Trump will do is give us more BS. 

Hey, No Reason, about that Trump Healthcare?
I have a question for you. Who is the government?
If you answer "The People", you're smarter than Trump.
Do you really want to vote for a POTUS dumber than you?




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Quote from: Solar on April 09, 2016, 05:00:01 PM
Hey, No Reason, about that Trump Healthcare?
I have a question for you. Who is the government?
If you answer "The People", you're smarter than Trump.
Do you really want to vote for a POTUS dumber than you?

Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 06:13:43 AM
Judge him by what he says, not by what others are saying about him.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform

Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:

    Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
    Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
    Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn't Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
    Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
    Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
    Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
    Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation's government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.

Providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments.

To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program we will need to install programs that grow the economy and bring capital and jobs back to America. The best social program has always been a job – and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs.


READ AND LEARN.

Which was this? He tendes to flip flop worse than John Kerry.

QuoteAgain, as many have said, when did THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN come out with that?  I believe it was shortly after he advocated his long held previous position believing in some form of single payer health care reform.  They had to get a false flag position out there to put down what he really believes.

He has been thinking this at least in his last couple of books.

Quote....but ya know, the ole dog just cant stop tripping up on who he really is, case in point the other night at the town hall where he advocated that "health care" being on of 3 responsibilities of the Federal Govt..... just goes to show you cant teach an ole Lib new tricks.

So you'd let people just die in the street, huh?

Quote
...and quite siting Reagan, his views "evolved" over decades, not months

That's irrelevant. And untrue. Trump evolved over the last ten years.

QuoteThat's illogical.  Shows me the Don doesn't understand employer related expenses or taxation.  The employer is allowed to deduct "employer paid" insurance to it's employees, just like they are allowed to deduct employee wages or salaries. 

How is it illogical for an employee who pays for his own insurance from a private company to get the same tax advantages as the big companies who provide group care? Explain why it should be any different.

QuoteEmployer paid insurance IS a benefit, and is an addition to salaries, as it is the cost of having that employee. 

Again, what does that have to do with an employee getting to deduct his health insurance from his taxable income?

QuoteIf an employer provides the insurance to the employee, but the employee pays for the insurance (or pays for part, such as dependent care) through a payroll deduction, that amount IS NOT deductible to the employer, anymore than if a person purchases insurance on their own.

Why give all the tax advantages to the employer? Why not give the working stiff a break for a change?

QuoteYou also run into other tax related issues.  Currently, an excessive amount of unreimbursed medical expenses, including the cost of insurance, travel, prescriptions, out of pocket costs, are already deductible on the tax return schedule "A" (Itemized Deductions) and the allowable capped deduction is subject to a percentage of AGI.

Admittedly, allowing the productive class some well deserved deductions might cut into the revenue that goes to pay the useless pieces of shit who are on welfare and believe they are entitled to everything.

Here's an original thought. CUT THOSE BASTARDS OFF.

Quote from: Solar on April 09, 2016, 07:23:37 AM
Trump: I'll Replace Obamacare With Insurance for All

Donald Trump says his plan to repeal and replace Obamacare will offer coverage to everyone at cheaper prices than they are now paying.

In an interview with "60 Minutes" broadcast Sunday, Trump said, "I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not."
Trump said that as president he would make a deal with hospitals to take care of the poor at government expense, "But we're going to save so much money on the other side."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-repeal-obamacare-replace/2015/09/27/id/693577/

I'll take Trump's website over an opinion piece.

I GAVE you the true details, not what some partisan motherfucking THINKS.

Quote from: tac on April 09, 2016, 07:52:23 AM
Isn't that what Bernie the commie is proposing? Commiecare for everyone! 

Trump is wanting to overturn Obamacare.

And his alternative is almost a carbon copy of the most conservative plans on the table. The guy is to the right of Reagan on this.

QuoteThis whole thing is stacked with goodies that show the assistant that Donald tasked to try and figure out what conservatives want to hear has no clue about the real world.  His copy-and-past job support the article that says he tasked his assistant to listen to conservative talk radio for a year to figure out what hotbutton issue to start with to jump-start support amongst us conservatives.

You can prove that? Go ahead. Try.

QuoteIn the same sentence, he (the assistant tasked with the research job) allows competition across state lines, as long as the company complies with state requirements...

Your opinion only that there is an assistant doing the research job. THE DONALD is a hands-on manager. He knows more about this than all the other candidates combined.

QuoteTHAT ALREADY HAPPENS! 

Nope. What already happens is an insurance company non compete guarantee. Obamacare (just in case you were either stoned or asleep when it passed ) is nothing more than a HUGE transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the insurance companies. THE DONALD is trying to end that.

Quote...I just got done laughing out loud.  HSAs have been around for a while, and millions of people are on them.  This is already in existence, even though Donald and his assistant just heard it from Dr. Carson for the first time.

HSA's not only have NOT been around, the Republican Party has been fighting to get them written into law for the past two decades. They are only in the experimental form and hardly make a difference. You REALLY need to pay attention here.

QuoteThis is one of my favorites.  You wouldn't understand, since you don't understand basic economics, but this shows that Donald, nor his assistant doing the copy-and-pasting, doesn't either understand or believe in competition.  The free market, which he pretends to support, would bring prices down to where they need to be.  If he thinks he can create a world of insurance companies in a competitive market, then he would naturally understand the free market would force the prices to where they need to be to hit that sweet spot of where they can make the most money, and where it is most affordable for a consumer.  I want to give Donald the benefit of the doubt that he knows this, so he really should revise this so it doesn't make him look so clueless.

He makes his opponents and critics look clueless. He knows more about business and economics than all of you hacks combined. You are only theorists. While you have whiled away your time listening to Rush Limbaugh and sitting out elections, THE DONALD has been making payrolls and seeing the real world.

It would do you good to learn from him. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

QuoteI have, for years.  Some of us have been and are in business, even though we weren't birthed by a woman who was knocked up by Fred Trump.

That's just tasteless, even for a hack. You were birthed by a woman who was knocked up by someone. And it certainly sounds like you're envious as HELL that THE DONALD has made more of his life than you have made of yours.

QuoteThe more I hear him speak, he really has been shielded from how things work, and has adopted a liberal mindset.  That explains why he likes a single payer system, and wants the government to take care of everybody.  But, that was him speaking, and not his assistant doing a copy-and-paste job.

He knows more about how things work than all of you hacks combined.

Go ahead. Try building an empire of luxury hotels, resorts and golf courses all over the world. Try dealing with the obstacles he has dealt with.

You'd last ten minutes.