Judge him by what he says, not by what others are saying about him.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform)
Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:
Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn't Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.
The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation's government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.
Providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments.
To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program we will need to install programs that grow the economy and bring capital and jobs back to America. The best social program has always been a job – and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs.
READ AND LEARN.
Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 06:13:43 AM
Judge him by what he says, not by what others are saying about him.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform)
Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:
Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn't Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.
The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation's government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.
Providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments.
To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program we will need to install programs that grow the economy and bring capital and jobs back to America. The best social program has always been a job – and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs.
READ AND LEARN.
Again, as many have said, when did THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN come out with that? I believe it was shortly after he advocated his long held previous position believing in some form of single payer health care reform. They had to get a false flag position out there to put down what he really believes.
....but ya know, the ole dog just cant stop tripping up on who he really is, case in point the other night at the town hall where he advocated that "health care" being on of 3 responsibilities of the Federal Govt..... just goes to show you cant teach an ole Lib new tricks.
...and quite siting Reagan, his views "evolved" over decades, not months
Quote from: reason10 link=topic=24643.msg300134#msg300134 date=146020762:
Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn't Congress allow individuals the same exemptions?
???
That's illogical. Shows me the Don doesn't understand employer related expenses or taxation. The employer is allowed to deduct "employer paid" insurance to it's employees, just like they are allowed to deduct employee wages or salaries.
Employer paid insurance IS a benefit, and is an addition to salaries, as it is the cost of having that employee.
If an employer provides the insurance to the employee, but the employee pays for the insurance (or pays for part, such as dependent care) through a payroll deduction, that amount IS NOT deductible to the employer, anymore than if a person purchases insurance on their own.
You also run into other tax related issues. Currently, an excessive amount of unreimbursed medical expenses, including the cost of insurance, travel, prescriptions, out of pocket costs, are already deductible on the tax return schedule "A" (Itemized Deductions) and the allowable capped deduction is subject to a percentage of AGI.
Trump: I'll Replace Obamacare With Insurance for All
Donald Trump says his plan to repeal and replace Obamacare will offer coverage to everyone at cheaper prices than they are now paying.
In an interview with "60 Minutes" broadcast Sunday, Trump said, "I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not."
Trump said that as president he would make a deal with hospitals to take care of the poor at government expense, "But we're going to save so much money on the other side."
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-repeal-obamacare-replace/2015/09/27/id/693577/
Isn't that what Bernie the commie is proposing? Commiecare for everyone! :thumbdown:
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This whole thing is stacked with goodies that show the assistant that Donald tasked to try and figure out what conservatives want to hear has no clue about the real world. His copy-and-past job support the article that says he tasked his assistant to listen to conservative talk radio for a year to figure out what hotbutton issue to start with to jump-start support amongst us conservatives.
Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 06:13:43 AM
Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
In the same sentence, he (the assistant tasked with the research job) allows competition across state lines, as long as the company complies with state requirements...
THAT ALREADY HAPPENS! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
...I just got done laughing out loud. HSAs have been around for a while, and millions of people are on them. This is already in existence, even though Donald and his assistant just heard it from Dr. Carson for the first time.
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Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
This is one of my favorites. You wouldn't understand, since you don't understand basic economics, but this shows that Donald, nor his assistant doing the copy-and-pasting, doesn't either understand or believe in competition. The free market, which he pretends to support, would bring prices down to where they need to be. If he thinks he can create a world of insurance companies in a competitive market, then he would naturally understand the free market would force the prices to where they need to be to hit that sweet spot of where they can make the most money, and where it is most affordable for a consumer. I want to give Donald the benefit of the doubt that he knows this, so he really should revise this so it doesn't make him look so clueless.
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READ AND LEARN.
I have, for years. Some of us have been and are in business, even though we weren't birthed by a woman who was knocked up by Fred Trump. The more I hear him speak, he really has been shielded from how things work, and has adopted a liberal mindset. That explains why he likes a single payer system, and wants the government to take care of everybody. But, that was him speaking, and not his assistant doing a copy-and-paste job.
Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 06:13:43 AM
READ AND LEARN.
When do I get my 2.500$ is saving. I should have save 7.500$ in the last 3 year. But it has cost me more then 8.000$ more then I was paying 3 years ago. All Trump will do is give us more BS.
Hey, No Reason, about that Trump Healthcare?
I have a question for you. Who is the government?
If you answer "The People", you're smarter than Trump.
Do you really want to vote for a POTUS dumber than you?
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Quote from: Solar on April 09, 2016, 05:00:01 PM
Hey, No Reason, about that Trump Healthcare?
I have a question for you. Who is the government?
If you answer "The People", you're smarter than Trump.
Do you really want to vote for a POTUS dumber than you?
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Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 06:13:43 AM
Judge him by what he says, not by what others are saying about him.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform)
Congress must act. Our elected representatives in the House and Senate must:
Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn't Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.
The reforms outlined above will lower healthcare costs for all Americans. They are simply a place to start. There are other reforms that might be considered if they serve to lower costs, remove uncertainty and provide financial security for all Americans. And we must also take actions in other policy areas to lower healthcare costs and burdens. Enforcing immigration laws, eliminating fraud and waste and energizing our economy will relieve the economic pressures felt by every American. It is the moral responsibility of a nation's government to do what is best for the people and what is in the interest of securing the future of the nation.
Providing healthcare to illegal immigrants costs us some $11 billion annually. If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve healthcare cost pressures on state and local governments.
To reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program we will need to install programs that grow the economy and bring capital and jobs back to America. The best social program has always been a job – and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs.
READ AND LEARN.
Which was this? He tendes to flip flop worse than John Kerry.
QuoteAgain, as many have said, when did THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN come out with that? I believe it was shortly after he advocated his long held previous position believing in some form of single payer health care reform. They had to get a false flag position out there to put down what he really believes.
He has been thinking this at least in his last couple of books.
Quote....but ya know, the ole dog just cant stop tripping up on who he really is, case in point the other night at the town hall where he advocated that "health care" being on of 3 responsibilities of the Federal Govt..... just goes to show you cant teach an ole Lib new tricks.
So you'd let people just die in the street, huh?
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...and quite siting Reagan, his views "evolved" over decades, not months
That's irrelevant. And untrue. Trump evolved over the last ten years.
QuoteThat's illogical. Shows me the Don doesn't understand employer related expenses or taxation. The employer is allowed to deduct "employer paid" insurance to it's employees, just like they are allowed to deduct employee wages or salaries.
How is it illogical for an employee who pays for his own insurance from a private company to get the same tax advantages as the big companies who provide group care? Explain why it should be any different.
QuoteEmployer paid insurance IS a benefit, and is an addition to salaries, as it is the cost of having that employee.
Again, what does that have to do with an employee getting to deduct his health insurance from his taxable income?
QuoteIf an employer provides the insurance to the employee, but the employee pays for the insurance (or pays for part, such as dependent care) through a payroll deduction, that amount IS NOT deductible to the employer, anymore than if a person purchases insurance on their own.
Why give all the tax advantages to the employer? Why not give the working stiff a break for a change?
QuoteYou also run into other tax related issues. Currently, an excessive amount of unreimbursed medical expenses, including the cost of insurance, travel, prescriptions, out of pocket costs, are already deductible on the tax return schedule "A" (Itemized Deductions) and the allowable capped deduction is subject to a percentage of AGI.
Admittedly, allowing the productive class some well deserved deductions might cut into the revenue that goes to pay the useless pieces of shit who are on welfare and believe they are entitled to everything.
Here's an original thought. CUT THOSE BASTARDS OFF.
Quote from: Solar on April 09, 2016, 07:23:37 AM
Trump: I'll Replace Obamacare With Insurance for All
Donald Trump says his plan to repeal and replace Obamacare will offer coverage to everyone at cheaper prices than they are now paying.
In an interview with "60 Minutes" broadcast Sunday, Trump said, "I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not."
Trump said that as president he would make a deal with hospitals to take care of the poor at government expense, "But we're going to save so much money on the other side."
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-repeal-obamacare-replace/2015/09/27/id/693577/
I'll take Trump's website over an opinion piece.
I GAVE you the true details, not what some partisan motherfucking THINKS.
Quote from: tac on April 09, 2016, 07:52:23 AM
Isn't that what Bernie the commie is proposing? Commiecare for everyone! :thumbdown:
Trump is wanting to overturn Obamacare.
And his alternative is almost a carbon copy of the most conservative plans on the table. The guy is to the right of Reagan on this.
QuoteThis whole thing is stacked with goodies that show the assistant that Donald tasked to try and figure out what conservatives want to hear has no clue about the real world. His copy-and-past job support the article that says he tasked his assistant to listen to conservative talk radio for a year to figure out what hotbutton issue to start with to jump-start support amongst us conservatives.
You can prove that? Go ahead. Try.
QuoteIn the same sentence, he (the assistant tasked with the research job) allows competition across state lines, as long as the company complies with state requirements...
Your opinion only that there is an assistant doing the research job. THE DONALD is a hands-on manager. He knows more about this than all the other candidates combined.
QuoteTHAT ALREADY HAPPENS!
Nope. What already happens is an insurance company non compete guarantee. Obamacare (just in case you were either stoned or asleep when it passed ) is nothing more than a HUGE transfer of wealth from the poor and middle class to the insurance companies. THE DONALD is trying to end that.
Quote...I just got done laughing out loud. HSAs have been around for a while, and millions of people are on them. This is already in existence, even though Donald and his assistant just heard it from Dr. Carson for the first time.
HSA's not only have NOT been around, the Republican Party has been fighting to get them written into law for the past two decades. They are only in the experimental form and hardly make a difference. You REALLY need to pay attention here.
QuoteThis is one of my favorites. You wouldn't understand, since you don't understand basic economics, but this shows that Donald, nor his assistant doing the copy-and-pasting, doesn't either understand or believe in competition. The free market, which he pretends to support, would bring prices down to where they need to be. If he thinks he can create a world of insurance companies in a competitive market, then he would naturally understand the free market would force the prices to where they need to be to hit that sweet spot of where they can make the most money, and where it is most affordable for a consumer. I want to give Donald the benefit of the doubt that he knows this, so he really should revise this so it doesn't make him look so clueless.
He makes his opponents and critics look clueless. He knows more about business and economics than all of you hacks combined. You are only theorists. While you have whiled away your time listening to Rush Limbaugh and sitting out elections, THE DONALD has been making payrolls and seeing the real world.
It would do you good to learn from him. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
QuoteI have, for years. Some of us have been and are in business, even though we weren't birthed by a woman who was knocked up by Fred Trump.
That's just tasteless, even for a hack. You were birthed by a woman who was knocked up by someone. And it certainly sounds like you're envious as HELL that THE DONALD has made more of his life than you have made of yours.
QuoteThe more I hear him speak, he really has been shielded from how things work, and has adopted a liberal mindset. That explains why he likes a single payer system, and wants the government to take care of everybody. But, that was him speaking, and not his assistant doing a copy-and-paste job.
He knows more about how things work than all of you hacks combined.
Go ahead. Try building an empire of luxury hotels, resorts and golf courses all over the world. Try dealing with the obstacles he has dealt with.
You'd last ten minutes.
Quote from: walkstall on April 09, 2016, 04:26:23 PM
When do I get my 2.500$ is saving. I should have save 7.500$ in the last 3 year. But it has cost me more then 8.000$ more then I was paying 3 years ago. All Trump will do is give us more BS.
Barak Saddam Hussein is president. Under him, you don't get shit. Under Hillary you'll get less and your taxes will go up.
Here's a tip: Grow a brain and vote for Trump. He's the only one who can beat Hillary. He's also the most qualified man in the race.
Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 08:38:43 PM
You can prove that? Go ahead. Try.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/inside-the-donald-trump-presidential-campaign.html
QuoteAnd Nunberg is a lawyer wired into right-wing politics who has long looked up to "Mr. Trump," as he calls him. "I first met him at WrestleMania when I was like 5 years old," Nunberg told me.
Throughout 2014, the three fed Trump strategy memos and political intelligence. "I listened to thousands of hours of talk radio, and he was getting reports from me," Nunberg recalled. What those reports said was that the GOP base was frothing over a handful of issues including immigration, Obamacare, and Common Core. While Jeb Bush talked about crossing the border as an "act of love," Trump was thinking about how high to build his wall. "We either have borders or we don't," Trump told the faithful who flocked to the annual CPAC conference in 2014.
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Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 08:28:25 PM
How is it illogical for an employee who pays for his own insurance from a private company to get the same tax advantages as the big companies who provide group care? Explain why it should be any different.
You have to know a little something about business, being an employer and understanding the difference between expenses and income and taxes, businesses taxes vs personal taxes.
I already explained. When an employer provides paid healthcare to an employee, it's the same as a portion of their wages, which is a deductible expense to the employer.
Someone who pays for their own insurance, or pays for dependent care through their employer, IS ALREADY, deductible on the schedule A form attached to your income tax return.
For those who don't file a schedule A, get a standard deduction of $6300 deduction on their tax form. If you file a schedule A, you cannot take the standard deduction.
Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 08:38:43 PM
Your opinion only that there is an assistant doing the research job. THE DONALD is a hands-on manager. He knows more about this than all the other candidates combined.
Little hands jokes aside, no he doesn't. He's clueless.
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Nope. What already happens is an insurance company non compete guarantee.
You're bad at this. Here's BCBS as an example:
http://www.bcbs.com/about-the-companies/
Alabama, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Alaska, Premera Blue Cross Blue Shield
Arizona, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Arkansas Blue Cross and Blue Shield
California, Anthem Blue Cross
California, Blue Shield
Colorado, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Connecticut, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Delaware, Highmark Blue Cross Blue Shield
District of Columbia, CareFirst Blue Cross Blue Shield
Florida, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Georgia, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Hawaii, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Hawaii
Idaho, Blue Cross
Idaho, Regence BlueShield of Idaho
Illinois, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Indiana, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield
Iowa, Wellmark Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Kansas, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Kentucky, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Louisiana, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Maine, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Maryland, CareFirst Blue Cross Blue Shield
Massachusetts, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Michigan, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Minnesota, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Mississippi, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Missouri, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield
Missouri, BlueCross and BlueShield of Kansas City
Montana, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Nebraska, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Nevada, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield
New Hampshire, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield
New Jersey, Horizon Blue Cross and Blue Shield
New Mexico, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
New York, BlueCross & BlueShield of Western
New York, BlueShield of Northeastern
New York, Empire Blue Cross and Blue Shield
New York, Excellus BlueCross BlueShield
North Carolina, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
North Dakota, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Ohio, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Oklahoma, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Oregon, Regence BlueCross BlueShield of Oregon
Pennsylvania, Highmark Blue Shield
Pennsylvania, Capital BlueCross -- Harrisburg
Pennsylvania, Highmark Blue Cross Blue Shield -- Pittsburgh
Pennsylvania, Independence Blue Cross -- Philadelphia
Puerto Rico, BlueCross BlueShield of Puerto Rico
Rhode Island, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
South Carolina, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
South Dakota, Wellmark Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Tennessee, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Texas, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Utah, Regence BlueCross BlueShield of Utah
Vermont, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Virginia, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield *
Virginia, CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield *
Washington, Premera Blue Cross
Washington, Regence BlueShield
West Virginia, Highmark Blue Cross Blue Shield West Virginia
Wisconsin, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Wyoming, Blue Cross and Blue Shield
Costa Rica, BlueCross BlueShield Costa Rica
Panama, BlueCross BlueShield of Panama
Uruguay, Blue Cross & Blue Shield de Uruguay
U.S. Virgin Islands, BlueCross BlueShield of the U.S. Virgin Islands
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HSA's not only have NOT been around, the Republican Party has been fighting to get them written into law for the past two decades. They are only in the experimental form and hardly make a difference. You REALLY need to pay attention here.
https://www.irs.gov/irb/2004-02_IRB/ar09.html
QuoteSection 1201 of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003, Pub. L. No. 108-173, added section 223 to the Internal Revenue Code to permit eligible individuals to establish Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) for taxable years beginning after December 31, 2003. HSAs are established to receive tax-favored contributions by or on behalf of eligible individuals and amounts in an HSA may be accumulated over the years or distributed on a tax-free basis to pay or reimburse qualified medical expenses.
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He makes his opponents and critics look clueless.
Even Rand Paul had to correct him on some basic stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRTl230M4X8&nohtml5=False
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He knows more about business and economics than all of you hacks combined.
No he doesn't.
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You are only theorists. While you have whiled away your time listening to Rush Limbaugh and sitting out elections, THE DONALD has been making payrolls and seeing the real world.
I started and sold a few companies. Retired at 30. Try again.
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It would do you good to learn from him. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
The only thing I could learn from him is how to scam people and get sued. I wouldn't want to scam anyone, and I'm not really into getting sued. Other than that, he's pretty worthless.
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That's just tasteless, even for a hack. You were birthed by a woman who was knocked up by someone. And it certainly sounds like you're envious as HELL that THE DONALD has made more of his life than you have made of yours.
I doubt it.
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He knows more about how things work than all of you hacks combined.
No he doesn't.
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Go ahead. Try building an empire of luxury hotels, resorts and golf courses all over the world. Try dealing with the obstacles he has dealt with.
Fine. I'll work on a time machine and get to it. The only thing I need to figure out is how to become one of Fred Trump's sperm. Give me some time to work on that. Meanwhile, how are Donald's lawsuits going?
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You'd last ten minutes.
I'm an actual businessman. I wouldn't start stupid crap like Trump Steaks. He isn't a real businessman like I am. That's just reality. The guy you support and look up to is a loser. Sorry.
Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 08:40:25 PM
Barak Saddam Hussein is president. Under him, you don't get shit. Under Hillary you'll get less and your taxes will go up.
Here's a tip: Grow a brain and vote for Trump. He's the only one who can beat Hillary. He's also the most qualified man in the race.
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Quote from: taxed on April 09, 2016, 08:44:01 PM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/inside-the-donald-trump-presidential-campaign.html
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This was an opinion piece.
Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 08:40:25 PM
Barak Saddam Hussein is president. Under him, you don't get shit. Under Hillary you'll get less and your taxes will go up.
You sound like a Bernie Sanders supporter, he's promising everyone lots of stuff.
It's not the government's job to "give" us stuff. We here want them to leave us the hell alone, enforce the laws and protect the country.
Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 08:29:29 PM
I'll take Trump's website over an opinion piece.
I GAVE you the true details, not what some partisan motherfucking THINKS.
You also just proved my point above, that Trump is for govt controlled health care, while Cruz says he'll get govt out of health care.
QuoteAgain, as many have said, when did THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN come out with that? I believe it was shortly after he advocated his long held previous position believing in some form of single payer health care reform. They had to get a false flag position out there to put down what he really believes.
Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 08:24:20 PM
He has been thinking this at least in his last couple of books.
Quote from: reason10 on April 09, 2016, 08:40:25 PM
Barak Saddam Hussein is president. Under him, you don't get shit. Under Hillary you'll get less and your taxes will go up.
Wrong. You get everything from Obama except a job and freedom. That is why our unfunded liabilities and entitlements have increased exponentially.
QuoteHere's a tip: Grow a brain and vote for Trump. He's the only one who can beat Hillary.
Polls say otherwise.
QuoteHe's also the most qualified man in the race.
I know right! Because if he was president Vladimir Putin would say to his ministers "we gotta pull outta the Crimea because this Trump guy built hotels and stuff".
Quote from: Solar on April 10, 2016, 08:07:16 AM
You also just proved my point above, that Trump is for govt controlled health care, while Cruz says he'll get govt out of health care.
I'm afraid Ted's website is silent on health care.
https://www.tedcruz.org/issues/ (https://www.tedcruz.org/issues/)
He has some good ideas, most of which he'll probably never get through a Democrat controlled Congress.
You're NOT going to get government out of health care. NO candidate is running on that. Anyone who did would be considered delusional.
Quote from: reason10 on April 10, 2016, 10:29:22 AM
I'm afraid Ted's website is silent on health care.
https://www.tedcruz.org/issues/ (https://www.tedcruz.org/issues/)
He has some good ideas, most of which he'll probably never get through a Democrat controlled Congress.
You're NOT going to get government out of health care. NO candidate is running on that. Anyone who did would be considered delusional.
We're TEA! Did you sleep through two historic mid term elections where we stole more than 1000 Legislative seats from the left?
No, unless Trump were to magically get the nomination and the base stayed home, there is no way the Dims are coming back to power.
Cruz is the next POTUS, mark my word.
QuoteHere's Cruz on HC.
Healthcare
Since Sen. Cruz took office, he has been a leading voice for repealing Obamacare. In fact, the first piece of legislation he filed, co-sponsored by 32 Republicans, was to fully repeal Obamacare.
Before the law went into effect in January 2014, Sen. Cruz led the effort to halt its implementation and defund Obamacare, filibustering it on the floor for an historic 21 hours.
Obamacare is causing millions to lose their jobs, be forced into part-time work, lose their doctors and health insurance, and pay skyrocketing premiums. This law isn't working. Instead, Congress should repeal Obamacare and make meaningful reforms to expand Health Savings Accounts, allow individuals to purchase insurance across state lines, and make health care more personal, portable, and affordable.
Since Obamacare's implementation, Sen. Cruz has opposed the law's unconstitutional mandates. He authored an amicus brief supporting Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood Specialties against the contraception mandate that forced individuals to either violate their conscience or pay crippling fines. In the summer of 2014, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of religious liberty and upheld the right of small business owners to operate in accordance with their beliefs.
http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=issue&id=34
Quote from: reason10 on April 10, 2016, 10:29:22 AM
I'm afraid Ted's website is silent on health care.
https://www.tedcruz.org/issues/ (https://www.tedcruz.org/issues/)
However he talks about it constantly.
QuoteHe has some good ideas, most of which he'll probably never get through a Democrat controlled Congress.
Neither could Trump or any republican president.
QuoteYou're NOT going to get government out of health care. NO candidate is running on that. Anyone who did would be considered delusional.
No but the federal government's involvement could be almost eliminated.
Quote from: reason10 on April 10, 2016, 07:06:38 AM
This was an opinion piece.
No it wasn't. He interviewed those people at Trump Towers.
Quote from: Solar on April 10, 2016, 10:42:52 AM
We're TEA! Did you sleep through two historic mid term elections where we stole more than 1000 Legislative seats from the left?
No, unless Trump were to magically get the nomination and the base stayed home, there is no way the Dims are coming back to power.
Cruz is the next POTUS, mark my word.
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Quote from: walkstall on April 10, 2016, 01:15:37 PM
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Why does commonsense elude Trumpaloons?
Quote from: Solar on April 10, 2016, 04:31:29 PM
Why does commonsense elude Trumpaloons?
I suspect that every society has at least one in ten who simply function at the reactive level. If someone at work likes Trump, they like Trump. Or, in cases of romance, men will say ANYTHING as we all know, but common sense says the smart man DOES NOT support Trump or else there may be cold sailing ahead, and the polar winds shall freeze him solid.
Oh, wait. If someone at work likes Trump, ask him why. Does going bankrupt three times make him responsible with our money? See what they say.
Quote from: quiller on April 10, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
I suspect that every society has at least one in ten who simply function at the reactive level. If someone at work likes Trump, they like Trump. Or, in cases of romance, men will say ANYTHING as we all know, but common sense says the smart man DOES NOT support Trump or else there may be cold sailing ahead, and the polar winds shall freeze him solid.
Oh, wait. If someone at work likes Trump, ask him why. Does going bankrupt three times make him responsible with our money? See what they say.
Trump has NEVER gone bankrupt. You don't understand the meaning of the word. There were times when Trump used the Chapter 11 law to save companies and jobs and get creditors paid back.
Quote from: reason10 on April 11, 2016, 07:35:44 PM
Trump has NEVER gone bankrupt. You don't understand the meaning of the word. There were times when Trump used the Chapter 11 law to save companies and jobs and get creditors paid back.
Personally no. Business wise yes.
Don't play games.
Quote from: reason10 on April 11, 2016, 07:35:44 PM
Trump has NEVER gone bankrupt. You don't understand the meaning of the word. There were times when Trump used the Chapter 11 law to save companies and jobs and get creditors paid back.
Never say never, it comes back to bite you in the ass.
QuoteEverything you want to know about Donald Trump's bankruptcies
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/31/news/companies/donald-trump-bankruptcy/
Quote from: tac on April 11, 2016, 08:35:35 PM
Never say never, it comes back to bite you in the ass.
No, that's Chlamydia....
Quote from: reason10 on April 11, 2016, 07:35:44 PM
Trump has NEVER gone bankrupt. You don't understand the meaning of the word. There were times when Trump used the Chapter 11 law to save companies and jobs and get creditors paid back.
Okay, Trumpette, let us examine this notion that using Chapter 11 is
NOT filing bankruptcy. How can you use something and later say you didn't---that you can file for Chapter 11 but now claim it's
NOT a bankruptcy? Your school of economics was evidently from a cereal box.
You obviously can
support your claim of what I do not know...can't you, Sparky?
Quote from: quiller on April 10, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
I suspect that every society has at least one in ten who simply function at the reactive level. If someone at work likes Trump, they like Trump. Or, in cases of romance, men will say ANYTHING as we all know, but common sense says the smart man DOES NOT support Trump or else there may be cold sailing ahead, and the polar winds shall freeze him solid.
Oh, wait. If someone at work likes Trump, ask him why. Does going bankrupt three times make him responsible with our money? See what they say.
Odd, wasn't it, how our Trumpette here avoided talking about the lemmings who love The Donald, and the growing disaffection for him by women who thought him quite good at the start, until his ugly treatment of women became better-told. Common sense says men don't bring him up any more in mixed company. He's toxic. The ladies increasingly are aware of it.
Quote from: quiller on April 12, 2016, 03:41:33 AM
Odd, wasn't it, how our Trumpette here avoided talking about the lemmings who love The Donald, and the growing disaffection for him by women who thought him quite good at the start, until his ugly treatment of women became better-told. Common sense says men don't bring him up any more in mixed company. He's toxic. The ladies increasingly are aware of it.
Pretty sad when this Bozo can get a laugh at the NY Libs expense.
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Quote from: The Boo Man... on April 11, 2016, 08:01:45 PM
Personally no. Business wise yes.
Don't play games.
WRONG. In business, there's a difference between going bankrupt and using the Chapter 11 rules to save a business and get the creditors paid back.
Quit lying. You're worse than Ted.
Quote from: reason10 on April 12, 2016, 05:44:46 AM
WRONG. In business, there's a difference between going bankrupt and using the Chapter 11 rules to save a business and get the creditors paid back.
Quit lying. You're worse than Ted.
Guess why they call it
Bankruptcy court when you file
Chapter 11?
Quote from: quiller on April 12, 2016, 03:38:10 AM
Okay, Trumpette, let us examine this notion that using Chapter 11 is NOT filing bankruptcy. How can you use something and later say you didn't---that you can file for Chapter 11 but now claim it's NOT a bankruptcy? Your school of economics was evidently from a cereal box.
You obviously can support your claim of what I do not know...can't you, Sparky?
Keep it clean or you'll be looking for another forum.I never said he didn't file bankruptcy. I said he never went bankrupt.
The Chapter 11 laws are for BUSINESS REORGANIZATION.
I suppose I could say that a few more times, and it would probably go over your head like the last time.
I've already posted a credible link on the subject.
Quote from: reason10 on April 12, 2016, 06:06:37 AM
Keep it clean or you'll be looking for another forum.
I never said he didn't file bankruptcy. I said he never went bankrupt.
The Chapter 11 laws are for BUSINESS REORGANIZATION.
I suppose I could say that a few more times, and it would probably go over your head like the last time.
I've already posted a credible link on the subject.
Just to be certain you saw the warning.
Quote from: quiller on April 12, 2016, 03:41:33 AM
Odd, wasn't it, how our Trumpette here avoided talking about the lemmings who love The Donald, and the growing disaffection for him by women who thought him quite good at the start, until his ugly treatment of women became better-told. Common sense says men don't bring him up any more in mixed company. He's toxic. The ladies increasingly are aware of it.
When did they let the Hillary campaign have free advertising here?
Quote from: reason10 on April 12, 2016, 05:44:46 AM
WRONG. In business, there's a difference between going bankrupt and using the Chapter 11 rules to save a business and get the creditors paid back.
Quit lying. You're worse than Ted.
Bucko, you call someone a liar, then you DAMNED well better punch in solid links to back your useless ass up. No more games here, Cupcake.
Quote from: reason10 on April 12, 2016, 06:06:37 AM
Keep it clean or you'll be looking for another forum.
(*addressed to the newbie, not Solar*)
And you halfwittedly threaten me, instead?
Punk. Pillow-biting halfwitted punk.
Quote from: Solar on April 12, 2016, 06:32:58 AM
Just to be certain you saw the warning.
Who wrote that big part in red? You or him? He's still a halfwit lying punk, but I just wanna know for the record here..... :ttoung:
Quote from: quiller on April 12, 2016, 08:53:26 AM
Bucko, you call someone a liar, then you DAMNED well better punch in solid links to back your useless ass up. No more games here, Cupcake.
I already did.
Quote from: quiller on April 12, 2016, 09:20:07 AM
You called ME a liar when you said you did not declare bankruptcy by filing Chapter 11. Prove that statement.
You just told ANOTHER lie.
I never said that. I merely set the record straight about all the lies about Donald Trump you've been spreading. Here's the truth:
http://phoenixbankruptcynews.com/2011/04/the-history-of-donald-trumps-bankruptcy-filings.html (http://phoenixbankruptcynews.com/2011/04/the-history-of-donald-trumps-bankruptcy-filings.html)
The first time a Donald Trump business declared bankruptcy was in 1991 when his Atlantic City casino, the Taj Mahal, was in billions of dollars of debt. After a trip to bankruptcy court, Trump was eventually able to reorganize the company's debts and make a financial comeback after developing a budget.
The three other bankruptcies also involved the reorganization of debts and complying with a court-approved reorganization plan. Bankers stepped in and even put Trump on a monthly budget for a while.
Perhaps the Trump bankruptcies can be seen as a strategic business decision and not necessarily a financial failure. As Trump said to ABC News, "I've used the laws of this country to pare debt. ... We'll have the company. We'll throw it into a chapter. We'll negotiate with the banks. We'll make a fantastic deal."
Some people may even say that Trump is an inspiration to businesses that are currently struggling with debt as a result of the economic recession.
His bankruptcies show that even when a business is in debt, it can still become a success after reorganization.
You people claimed he bankrupted several companies. That's a LIE.
The TRUTH is, he used the Chapter 11 law to SAVE companies.
You might try to spin or twist this in the future. The facts are HERE. Feel free to refer back to this post and the source next time you try to LIE about THE DONALD.
No reason for you to continue to act like LYIN' TED.
Quote from: reason10 on April 12, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
I already did.
Trumpette, where is your link showing Trump
DID NOT declare bankruptcy by filing Chapter 11? You repeatedly stated a direct lie that he did not.
Stop lying through your fold-back teeth. He filed. What kind does not matter. HE FILED. Your Magna Cum Moutha is poor at business. He lies through his teeth, as do his droolers.
Quote from: quiller on April 12, 2016, 09:26:12 AM
Trumpette, where is your link showing Trump DID NOT declare bankruptcy by filing Chapter 11? You repeatedly stated a direct lie that he did not.
Stop lying through your fold-back teeth. He filed. What kind does not matter. HE FILED. Your Magna Cum Moutha is poor at business. He lies through his teeth, as do his droolers.
So far, you're the only liar here. I just posted the truth. Deal with it.
Quote from: reason10 on April 12, 2016, 09:27:49 AM
So far, you're the only liar here. I just posted the truth. Deal with it.
I asked you for something you know you lied about and can not prove. Way to go, champ. Really good start among your betters.
Quote from: quiller on April 12, 2016, 08:59:59 AM
(*addressed to the newbie, not Solar*)
And you halfwittedly threaten me, instead?
Punk. Pillow-biting halfwitted punk.
No, I deleted a line he wrote for being crass and crude.
Quote from: Solar on April 12, 2016, 10:31:23 AM
No, I deleted a line he wrote for being crass and crude.
After I thought it through, I realized that. Now, then.... :popcorn:
Quote from: reason10 on April 12, 2016, 09:27:49 AM
So far, you're the only liar here. I just posted the truth. Deal with it.
You posted crap and ran when asked to support it. Get used to it. You're an empty suit backing a loudmouthed trashtalking pile of wet crap. We expect absolutely nothing better from a Trumpette.