No trump is more trustworthy on immigration he said he negotiates but he said not on whether tio have a wall or not. The illegal alien issue he's had since the 90's when he was very pro abortion he're's the link. Btw he stuck to his guns on this issue even when everyone thought it was not a popular position I really feel cruz was too cowardly to have this position and doesn't really want this position and then tried to copy him because he saw how it worked for trump he's no different from how Hillary copied sanders.

dating back to the 90's yes...

•I take advantage of H1-B visas; but stop them. (Mar 2016)
•Let the good ones come back in; that's not amnesty. (Feb 2016)
•No apology for banning Muslims from entering America. (Jan 2016)
•It's not fear of terrorist refugees; it's reality. (Jan 2016)
•Need to keep database of Muslim refugees. (Nov 2015)
•We must stop illegal immigration; it hurts us economically. (Nov 2015)
•I don't care how they come in, if they come in legally. (Oct 2015)
•Syrian refugees are a Trojan Horse. (Oct 2015)
•Syrian refugee crisis partly our fault; but don't take any. (Oct 2015)
•We're only country dumb enough for birthright citizenship. (Sep 2015)
•Illegal immigrants populate many criminal gangs. (Sep 2015)
•This is a country where we speak English, not Spanish. (Sep 2015)
•Half of the undocumented residents in America are criminals. (Jun 2015)
•We need strong borders; we need a wall. (Feb 2015)
•Citizenship for illegal immigrants is a GOP suicide mission. (Mar 2013)
•351,000 illegal aliens are in our prisons; costing $1.1B. (Dec 2011)
•Anchor babies were NEVER the intent of the 14th Amendment. (Dec 2011)
•Invite foreigners graduating from college to stay in US. (Dec 2011)
•Control borders; even legal immigration should be difficult. (Jul 2000)
•Limit new immigration; focus on people already here. (Dec 1999)



•We have no borders; and yes, I am angry. (Jan 2016)
•Ship millions back to Mexico, like Eisenhower did. (Nov 2015)
•Walls on borders work; just ask Israel. (Nov 2015)
•Mexico will pay for wall, but not through tariffs. (Nov 2015)
•I can get Mexico to pay for border wall; politicians can't. (Oct 2015)
•The border wall will be well-managed and built correctly. (Aug 2015)
•We need wall on Mexican border, but ok to have a door in it. (Aug 2015)
•Mexican government is sending criminals across the border. (Aug 2015)
•Building a wall will save money because it stops bad dudes. (Jul 2015)
•OpEd: businesses & Republicans condemn anti-Mexico terms. (Jul 2015)
•Make Mexico pay for wall with severe economics. (Jun 2015)
•Mexico & Latin America send us drugs, crime, and rapists. (Jun 2015)
•Build great wall on southern border; have Mexico pay for it. (Jun 2015)
•Triple-layered fence & Predator drones on Mexican border. (Dec 2011)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm



Like I said cruz has done nothing when it comes to life. Scott walker rand paul and marco Rubio did. He has not. And he doesn't talk about being prolife much if at all really.

Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2016, 04:22:50 PM
yOU'RE COMING OFF AS A ONE ISSUE VOTER AND THAT'S SAD.


Trump has flip flopped on every issue that's come up during the election cycle, in other words, HE'S Lied ON EVERY SUBJECT!!!

Just ask Texas, he's kept every promise he ran on to get elected, and we already know Trump has reneged on his promise to deport, and the wall is up for negeotiation, as is everything he promised, his own words.

I gave you a link, you do know how to navigate websites, right?
http://www.tedcruz.org/

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/29/ted-cruz-leads-pro-life-rally-i-have-stood-up-to-fight-to-the-right-to-life-of-unborn-babies/

http://www.texasrighttolife.com/about/1513/Ted-Cruzs-ProLife-stance-bodes-well-for-impending-presidential-race

And yes abortion is the MOST important issue for me. Because it's murder and it needs to end. We need a good conservative president to appoint the right judge so this can be overturned.

Quote from: Sauce on April 03, 2016, 04:38:44 PM
So what your saying is you want someone who pontificates about how Pro Life they are as apposed to someone who has actually attempted to do something about abortion laws and the biggest funder of abortions.

...hmmm, ok

this is what I want to see. I would like him to say and do something about it

•Abortion is complex issue; we must reduce the number of them. (Aug 2015)
•Barbarians of our age have murdered millions of the unborn. (Aug 2015)
•Ban abortion after 20 weeks. (Apr 2015)
•Consensus that life begins at conception; so no abortion. (May 2014)
•I believe in protecting life but I'm not a chauvinist. (Mar 2013)
•Pro-life, but understands that woman's right is the law. (Jun 2012)
•Expand birth control exemption for faith-based organizations. (Jun 2012)
•Opposed Sotomayor nomination based on her Roe support. (Jun 2012)
•No right to privacy, that resulted in the Roe v. Wade. (Feb 2010)
•Require ultrasounds before performing abortions. (Feb 2010)
•Voted against funding stem cell research. (Apr 2006)
•Opposes both federal abortion funding & judicial activism. (Aug 2010)
•Supports prohibiting human embryonic stem cell research. (Aug 2010)
•Supports giving legal protection to unborn children. (Sep 2010)
•Prohibit federal funding for abortion. (May 2011)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Marco_Rubio.htm

or at least say this

•Fund community health centers instead of Planned Parenthood. (Aug 2015)
•Force a Senate vote on defunding Planned Parenthood. (Jul 2015)
•Stop flow of taxpayer dollars to fund abortions. (Apr 2015)
•Supports "Plan B" morning-after contraception. (Oct 2014)
•Supports religious freedom to deny contraceptive coverage. (Jun 2014)
•Thousands of exceptions follow from maternal health. (May 2013)
•Personhood at conception, including embryonic stem cells. (Apr 2013)
•Coarsening of our culture led to 50 million unborn deaths. (Sep 2012)
•My opponents call me libertarian but I'm pro-life. (Feb 2011)
•Life begins at conception. (Jul 2010)
•Opposes federal abortion funding. (Aug 2010)
•Prohibit federal funding for abortion. (May 2011)

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Rand_Paul.htm

Personhood at conception, including embryonic stem cells
Paul is solidifying his outreach to the religious right by proposing a bill focused on one of his pet issues: granting legal rights and protections to fertilized eggs. Paul has introduced the so-called Life at Conception Act, which would grant "personhood" to fertilized eggs, effectively banning abortion, embryonic stem-cell research, many forms of birth control, and assisted reproductive treatments.


or say this

•I defunded Planned Parenthood in a blue state. (Sep 2015)
•We defunded Planned Parenthood in a blue state. (Sep 2015)
•Use alternatives to protect life of mother; no exceptions. (Aug 2015)
•Ban abortion after 20 weeks at both state & federal level. (Mar 2015)
•Passed pro-life legislation & defunded Planned Parenthood. (Mar 2015)
•Supports Personhood Amendment prohibiting all abortions. (Feb 2015)
•I'm proudly pro-life, but focus on fiscal issues. (Dec 2013)
•Protect life from conception to natural death. (Nov 2010)
•Opposes federal abortion funding. (Aug 2010)

In his 2010 and 2012 races for governor, Walker mostly steered clear of talking about his strong opposition to abortion. Nonetheless, he acted in private and signed legislation in 2013 requiring women seeking abortions to get ultrasounds and doctors performing the procedure to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles.

It's not too hard to say you're prolife if you actually are. These guys left no questions about it. I had to look really hard to find cruz's actual stance so I don't know if I can trust him on it. Also I couldn't find anything he did about it at all. Unlike the other indivudals I could on various sites. I tried to search it again ted cruz seriously hasn't crap to try to save lives... I really am skeptical of his prolife credentials.

Quote from: walkstall on April 03, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
Just me, but I don't think he is posting to learn.  He is more like a Shill. He is a RINO.

I don't need to learn how to ignore the fact the kids die everyday from this. That's how I will always vote. I think a rino is someone who doesn't care about the social issues like abortion or illegal immigration

https://youtu.be/4CwVrfydjOI
the video above is him being extremely pro illegal immigration and putting American families under the bus completely.


everything he's said to be tough on the illegals has been recent also


•Bar refugees from terrorist-ridden regions. (Mar 2016)
•Children deported with parents can come back, if citizens. (Feb 2016)
•I led the fight to defeat the Reid-Schumer amnesty bill. (Feb 2016)
•FactCheck: Yes, Bill Clinton deported 12M illegal aliens. (Dec 2015)
•Build a wall instead of massive amnesty plan. (Dec 2015)
•Enforce the law against millions of illegals currently here. (Dec 2015)
•Illegals are an economic calamity for low-wage Americans. (Nov 2015)
•Support Kate's Law: oppose our leaders who won't enforce. (Aug 2015)
•Path to citizenship is profoundly unfair to legal immigrants. (Feb 2015)
•End Obama's illegal amnesty via Congress' checks & balances. (Nov 2014)
•Defund amnesty; and refuse any nominees until rescinded. (Nov 2014)
•No path to citizenship for 1.65 million illegals in Texas. (Oct 2012)
•Give police more power to ask about immigration status. (Jun 2012)
•Boots on the ground, plus a wall. (Apr 2012)
•Triple the size of the Border Patrol. (Mar 2012)
•Strengthen border security and increase enforcement. (Jul 2011)


you see how he contradicts himself and why I feel I can not trust him this is another reason I can't trust him on abortion. Because he doesn't talk about his stance on abortion and he lies about immigration plicies that combination just doesn't sit well with me.

Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 05:25:03 PM
https://youtu.be/4CwVrfydjOI
the video above is him being extremely pro illegal immigration and putting American families under the bus completely.


everything he's said to be tough on the illegals has been recent also


•Bar refugees from terrorist-ridden regions. (Mar 2016)
•Children deported with parents can come back, if citizens. (Feb 2016)
•I led the fight to defeat the Reid-Schumer amnesty bill. (Feb 2016)
•FactCheck: Yes, Bill Clinton deported 12M illegal aliens. (Dec 2015)
•Build a wall instead of massive amnesty plan. (Dec 2015)
•Enforce the law against millions of illegals currently here. (Dec 2015)
•Illegals are an economic calamity for low-wage Americans. (Nov 2015)
•Support Kate's Law: oppose our leaders who won't enforce. (Aug 2015)
•Path to citizenship is profoundly unfair to legal immigrants. (Feb 2015)
•End Obama's illegal amnesty via Congress' checks & balances. (Nov 2014)
•Defund amnesty; and refuse any nominees until rescinded. (Nov 2014)
•No path to citizenship for 1.65 million illegals in Texas. (Oct 2012)
•Give police more power to ask about immigration status. (Jun 2012)
•Boots on the ground, plus a wall. (Apr 2012)
•Triple the size of the Border Patrol. (Mar 2012)
•Strengthen border security and increase enforcement. (Jul 2011)

Ugh, we have been over this a million times and at this point it should be something you understand about the players involved in the Gang of Eight bill...the fact that you where for Rubio makes it even more apparent you are trolling.

...Where is the loud Gong and the big hook?

Justme21 may need to obtain some perspective on this by looking up "doctrinaire" and "nihilism". Part of me thinks that you either not very self aware, or are a leftist plant because your philosophy of voting if applied by a significant number of people with strong opposition to legalized abortion would be bad for the nation because it would encourage them to abstain from voting against the dangerous lunatics Hill-O-Lies or Colonel Sanders and that borders on complete insanity from my POV. That's like having a chance to vote against Vladimir Lenin or Joseph Stalin but turning it down because you don't like the way the competing candidate(s) dress or because they don't like your favorite color. What difference does it make if by abstaining you are helping to put Joseph Stalin or Vladimir Lenin in power and they will make everyone dress in a colorless uniform !?! 

To paraphrase in the context of some of the content of your last several posts on this thread - you admit that you are focused on selecting a candidate for president who conforms to a litmus test on a single issue which you call legalized murder, but is actually the issue of tolerating abortion. That makes you doctrinaire because you base action on the basis of rigid conformity to a doctrine only - in this case, that abortion is murder and that a candidate who will not announce that he or she wants to ban abortion is not qualified to be president. 

A nihilist  is someone who believes that there are no good choices because all philosophies are bogus, and that therefore all choices are bad or worse. So that the best choice that people have is either to deliberately refrain from choosing permanently or by adopting a  wait-and-see posture (waiting for Godot). I'm not saying that you are a nihilist so much as doctrinaire but by saying that you would not vote for anyone rather than vote for someone who doesn't meet your litmus test (i.e., you do not believe in the Buckley Rule) makes you more of a nihilist than a conservative.

That is not intended as a criticism but only an observation and an encouragement to own what you are. We are what we are - however some of us are more able to accept the truth about ourselves than others. I hope that you are not a leftist plant because that means you are also going to Hell in addition to being a disgusting cacogenic leftist lunatic.

Quote from: Sauce on April 03, 2016, 05:32:58 PM

Ugh, we have been over this a million times and at this point it should be something you understand about the players involved in the Gang of Eight bill...the fact that you where for Rubio makes it even more apparent you are trolling.

...Where is the loud Gong and the big hook?

I don't care about illegal immigration as much as I do about abortion. Marco Rubio was pro illegal immigration but there are many issues I don't agree with Rubio on I liked his stance on abortion and that's the main issue I vote on... Illegal immigration is the second issue. Along with fixing the death penalty making stricter penalties. My issue with Cruz is that he doesn't seem honest about anything or conservative about anything. He says he's conservative but is he really? And if so what has he actually done that was conservative?

Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on April 03, 2016, 06:53:37 PM
Justme21 may need to obtain some perspective on this by looking up "doctrinaire" and "nihilism". Part of me thinks that you either not very self aware, or are a leftist plant because your philosophy of voting if applied by a significant number of people with strong opposition to legalized abortion would be bad for the nation because it would encourage them to abstain from voting against the dangerous lunatics Hill-O-Lies or Colonel Sanders and that borders on complete insanity from my POV. That's like having a chance to vote against Vladimir Lenin or Joseph Stalin but turning it down because you don't like the way the competing candidate(s) dress or because they don't like your favorite color. What difference does it make if by abstaining you are helping to put Joseph Stalin or Vladimir Lenin in power and they will make everyone dress in a colorless uniform !?! 

To paraphrase in the context of some of the content of your last several posts on this thread - you admit that you are focused on selecting a candidate for president who conforms to a litmus test on a single issue which you call legalized murder, but is actually the issue of tolerating abortion. That makes you doctrinaire because you base action on the basis of rigid conformity to a doctrine only - in this case, that abortion is murder and that a candidate who will not announce that he or she wants to ban abortion is not qualified to be president. 

A nihilist  is someone who believes that there are no good choices because all philosophies are bogus, and that therefore all choices are bad or worse. So that the best choice that people have is either to deliberately refrain from choosing permanently or by adopting a  wait-and-see posture (waiting for Godot). I'm not saying that you are a nihilist so much as doctrinaire but by saying that you would not vote for anyone rather than vote for someone who doesn't meet your litmus test (i.e., you do not believe in the Buckley Rule) makes you more of a nihilist than a conservative.

That is not intended as a criticism but only an observation and an encouragement to own what you are. We are what we are - however some of us are more able to accept the truth about ourselves than others. I hope that you are not a leftist plant because that means you are also going to Hell in addition to being a disgusting cacogenic leftist lunatic.

No that sounds republican not conservative. A republican will take a blind eye to the fact that a candidate tolerates murder because they are an R lover. Not a conservative as the candidate doesn't have conservative values therefore can't earn my vote. People who voted for bush instead of gore or Kerry are R lovers true republicans not conservatives. As he had the same beliefs as his opponent.  Actually worst Barack Obama did better than him at foreign policies and he's an idiot liberal who's also a bigoted for not supporting marriage equality. And you see what judges bush nominated? Very pro abortion that's what you get when you don't stick to your guns and aren't a conservative simply an R lover.  Speaking of Hillary Ted Cruz is a lot like her. I like sanders more than Hillary Clinton. There are few things I like about liberals they can agree on equality in marriage they are for assisted suicide some of the time and they try better with healthcare. Hillary Clinton has been everywhere she seeks to trick the people and wants everyone to think she agrees with them basically. She sucks at even what a liberal is supposed to be good at. Ted Cruz shows he's been everywhere on illegal immigration and abortion even look at him attack trump then before that try to claim he's prolife once in in his whole darn campaign.... These are big issues for me and he shows constantly how he can't be trusted. Look at Iowa he showed how untrustworthy he is. All he believes in is winning that's why I don't think he's legit and a vote for him basically means I'm the fool who fell for it which is why I'm reluctant to vote for him. He's also a lot like Hillary Clinton they both seek to trick the people while trump and sanders tend to be more honest in Iowa it showed obviously.

I'd also say you're likely to the left of me as you seem to be anti choice and for abortion. That's more of republicans who are to the left of conservatives it doesn't go hand in hand.

My ideal candidate would actually be very conservative prolife in all cases pro guns enforcing our laws illegal immigration and putting a wall using deportation when needed big on the death penalty and stiffer criminal penalties and actually fixing the death row system and creating a very small government less taxes and only allowing social programs if affordable. My dream candidate would be very conservative. I care about my conservatives issues actually more than my liberal ones I just do.

Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 09:21:03 PM

No that sounds republican not conservative. A republican will take a blind eye to the fact that a candidate tolerates murder because they are an R lover. Not a conservative as the candidate doesn't have conservative values therefore can't earn my vote. People who voted for bush instead of gore or Kerry are R lovers true republicans not conservatives. As he had the same beliefs as his opponent.  Actually worst Barack Obama did better than him at foreign policies and he's an idiot liberal who's also a bigoted for not supporting marriage equality. And you see what judges bush nominated? Very pro abortion that's what you get when you don't stick to your guns and aren't a conservative simply an R lover.  Speaking of Hillary Ted Cruz is a lot like her. I like sanders more than Hillary Clinton. There are few things I like about liberals they can agree on equality in marriage they are for assisted suicide some of the time and they try better with healthcare. Hillary Clinton has been everywhere she seeks to trick the people and wants everyone to think she agrees with them basically. She sucks at even what a liberal is supposed to be good at. Ted Cruz shows he's been everywhere on illegal immigration and abortion even look at him attack trump then before that try to claim he's prolife once in in his whole darn campaign.... These are big issues for me and he shows constantly how he can't be trusted. Look at Iowa he showed how untrustworthy he is. All he believes in is winning that's why I don't think he's legit and a vote for him basically means I'm the fool who fell for it which is why I'm reluctant to vote for him. He's also a lot like Hillary Clinton they both seek to trick the people while trump and sanders tend to be more honest in Iowa it showed obviously.

I'd also say you're likely to the left of me as you seem to be anti choice and for abortion. That's more of republicans who are to the left of conservatives it doesn't go hand in hand.

My ideal candidate would actually be very conservative prolife in all cases pro guns enforcing our laws illegal immigration and putting a wall using deportation when needed big on the death penalty and stiffer criminal penalties and actually fixing the death row system and creating a very small government less taxes and only allowing social programs if affordable. My dream candidate would be very conservative. I care about my conservatives issues actually more than my liberal ones I just do.

Can you not accept the fact that Roe Vs Wade is not going to be overturned? As much as we might be opposed to abortion, nothing will be changed. This issue has been an albatross for republicans for 40 years. It has caused an untold number ofunnecessary GOP losses. We should be satisfied with a person who is pro-life and conducts his/her affairs with those principles that carry over to there issues.

Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 04:38:51 PM
No trump is more trustworthy on immigration he said he negotiates but he said not on whether tio have a wall or not. The illegal alien issue he's had since the 90's when he was very pro abortion he're's the link. Btw he stuck to his guns on this issue even when everyone thought it was not a popular position I really feel cruz was too cowardly to have this position and doesn't really want this position and then tried to copy him because he saw how it worked for trump he's no different from how Hillary copied sanders.

dating back to the 90's yes...

•I take advantage of H1-B visas; but stop them. (Mar 2016)
•Let the good ones come back in; that's not amnesty. (Feb 2016)
•No apology for banning Muslims from entering America. (Jan 2016)
•It's not fear of terrorist refugees; it's reality. (Jan 2016)
•Need to keep database of Muslim refugees. (Nov 2015)
•We must stop illegal immigration; it hurts us economically. (Nov 2015)
•I don't care how they come in, if they come in legally. (Oct 2015)
•Syrian refugees are a Trojan Horse. (Oct 2015)
•Syrian refugee crisis partly our fault; but don't take any. (Oct 2015)
•We're only country dumb enough for birthright citizenship. (Sep 2015)
•Illegal immigrants populate many criminal gangs. (Sep 2015)
•This is a country where we speak English, not Spanish. (Sep 2015)
•Half of the undocumented residents in America are criminals. (Jun 2015)
•We need strong borders; we need a wall. (Feb 2015)
•Citizenship for illegal immigrants is a GOP suicide mission. (Mar 2013)
•351,000 illegal aliens are in our prisons; costing $1.1B. (Dec 2011)
•Anchor babies were NEVER the intent of the 14th Amendment. (Dec 2011)
•Invite foreigners graduating from college to stay in US. (Dec 2011)
•Control borders; even legal immigration should be difficult. (Jul 2000)
•Limit new immigration; focus on people already here. (Dec 1999)



•We have no borders; and yes, I am angry. (Jan 2016)
•Ship millions back to Mexico, like Eisenhower did. (Nov 2015)
•Walls on borders work; just ask Israel. (Nov 2015)
•Mexico will pay for wall, but not through tariffs. (Nov 2015)
•I can get Mexico to pay for border wall; politicians can't. (Oct 2015)
•The border wall will be well-managed and built correctly. (Aug 2015)
•We need wall on Mexican border, but ok to have a door in it. (Aug 2015)
•Mexican government is sending criminals across the border. (Aug 2015)
•Building a wall will save money because it stops bad dudes. (Jul 2015)
•OpEd: businesses & Republicans condemn anti-Mexico terms. (Jul 2015)
•Make Mexico pay for wall with severe economics. (Jun 2015)
•Mexico & Latin America send us drugs, crime, and rapists. (Jun 2015)
•Build great wall on southern border; have Mexico pay for it. (Jun 2015)
•Triple-layered fence & Predator drones on Mexican border. (Dec 2011)

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm



Like I said cruz has done nothing when it comes to life. Scott walker rand paul and marco Rubio did. He has not. And he doesn't talk about being prolife much if at all really.




And yes abortion is the MOST important issue for me. Because it's murder and it needs to end. We need a good conservative president to appoint the right judge so this can be overturned.

And every bit of it is BS rhetoric/lies!!!
What his actual plan entails is an underhanded move called "Touchback Amnesty" where they leave, but are allowed back in, jumping in line ahead of those following the law and playing by thr rules to get legal status.

Quote"If you believe that Donald Trump is opposed to providing legal status to those who came into our country illegally, you probably aren't alone. I'd say that a hell of a lot of his supporters believe the same thing.

But they would be wrong.

Is Trump talking about deporting the illegals that are currently here?

Yes, he is.

But what exactly will Trump do once those people have been deported?

Well, he'll let them back in.

Appearing on the Kelly File last fall, Eric Trump, Donald's son said:

The point isn't just deporting them, it's deporting them and letting them back in legally. He's been so clear about that and I know the liberal media wants to misconstrue it, but its deporting them and letting them back legally.

You got that?

Trump wants you to be clear. It's not just about deporting them. It's about letting them back in.

Trump himself told CNN's Dana Bash back in July of 2015:

I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal.... A lot of these people are helping us ... and sometimes it's jobs a citizen of the United States doesn't want to do. I want to move 'em out, and we're going to move 'em back in and let them be legal.

http://patriotretort.com/donald-trumps-deportation-plan-touchback-amnesty/

As to the rest of your BS about Cruz, you completely ignored my links, the links that expose you as a Trump shill, or an idiot lib, your choice.

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 04, 2016, 04:29:06 AM
Can you not accept the fact that Roe Vs Wade is not going to be overturned? As much as we might be opposed to abortion, nothing will be changed. This issue has been an albatross for republicans for 40 years. It has caused an untold number ofunnecessary GOP losses. We should be satisfied with a person who is pro-life and conducts his/her affairs with those principles that carry over to there issues.

Roe v Wade should be a state issue and the federal system staying out of it. The Supremes usurped 10th Amendment rights.

Quote from: quiller on April 04, 2016, 07:14:08 AM
Roe v Wade should be a state issue and the federal system staying out of it. The Supremes usurped 10th Amendment rights.

No question. However, when the SCOTUS usurped their authority this became a futile issue.

Quote from: quiller on April 04, 2016, 07:14:08 AM
Roe v Wade should be a state issue and the federal system staying out of it. The Supremes usurped 10th Amendment rights.

Don't let the troll divert this topic to abortion, as is apparently his plan.

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 04, 2016, 07:25:14 AM
No question. However, when the SCOTUS usurped their authority this became a futile issue.

Only until a future Court chooses to revisit an issue. Prohibition, for one. If anything ruling against slavery was the correct moral call but still usurpation of states' rights. I would agree with the result and deplore how they did it in that latter case. As for Prohibition, it was a voter issue and correctly handled although laughably under-thought.

Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 07:38:28 AM
Don't let the troll divert this topic to abortion, as is apparently his plan.

Noted and retained.

Howsomefreakingever here----let me specifically object to this blood-lusting misleading thread title and suggest editorial insertion of quote marks  ( " ) around the word kills.

Screw Homeland Security. Those dimwits wouldn't recognize hyperbole if it bit them and we got enough grief while Hussein's still around, as it is.