Tghen again, so did Ksux. :lol:
candidate votes % pledged delegates
Cruz 118,904
69.2%
40
kasich 29,015
16.9%
0
trump 23,984
14.0%
0
It appears now that in order for Cruz to have any chance of acquiring 1237 delegate, he must take New York and California. That is a monumental task.
Well, this sure didn't get any media coverage, did it!
Cruz beats Trump by 55% and but loses to Trump in Arizona by "OH my GOD!!! double digits!!! Time for Cruz to drop out!!!"
For a guy who can't get on-camera and practically begs for an interview - please tell me doubters, "How is Ted Cruz doing so well?" How did Trump get trounced by such a HUGE margin in a state recognized as "conservative"? I thought Trump had corralled the conservative vote...
Listening to the media, I thought Donald Trump was suppose to have this thing wrapped up after South Carolina, then when that didn't work after super-Tuesday, and that just had to be the end of Ted Cruz, it was easy-street, a walk-in-the-park for Donald Trump. So was that 55% spread all early voters?
I agree with Hoofer.. Watching Fox tonight Lutz stated that there is absolutely no way for Cruz to win enough delegates to secure the nomination and if this goes to a Contested Convention there will be violence.. I will say, I am not surprised any longer to see the pro Trump mantra on Fox but this was nearly hilarious especially after they had just reported that Cruz is going up in the polls and only trails trump by a mere 3 points nationwide, well within the margin of error, mind you, Trumps numbers aren't moving.. This race is by no means over but the media wants trump, that much is clear.. Well I think Megan Kelly isn't in the tank :thumbsup:
Also, watching the returns come in last night all the pundits were saying that Trump HAD to break that 50% mark, that if he couldn't break it with Arizona his campaign was in trouble, by the end of the night (or at least by the time I gave up and went to bed), Trump was a 46% and they were saying he broke that barrier.. Not a word about Cruz of course that hit a home run at 69%
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 23, 2016, 08:05:01 PM
I agree with Hoofer.. Watching Fox tonight Lutz stated that there is absolutely no way for Cruz to win enough delegates to secure the nomination and if this goes to a Contested Convention there will be violence.. I will say, I am not surprised any longer to see the pro Trump mantra on Fox but this was nearly hilarious especially after they had just reported that Cruz is going up in the polls and only trails trump by a mere 3 points nationwide, well within the margin of error, mind you, Trumps numbers aren't moving.. This race is by no means over but the media wants trump, that much is clear.. Well I think Megan Kelly isn't in the tank :thumbsup:
Also, watching the returns come in last night all the pundits were saying that Trump HAD to break that 50% mark, that if he couldn't break it with Arizona his campaign was in trouble, by the end of the night (or at least by the time I gave up and went to bed), Trump was a 46% and they were saying he broke that barrier.. Not a word about Cruz of course that hit a home run at 69%
Well...you know...it's the elephant on the tv...Utah is just a bunch of brainwashed mormons and don't know any better... :rolleyes:
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 23, 2016, 08:05:01 PM
I agree with Hoofer.. Watching Fox tonight Lutz stated that there is absolutely no way for Cruz to win enough delegates to secure the nomination and if this goes to a Contested Convention there will be violence.. I will say, I am not surprised any longer to see the pro Trump mantra on Fox but this was nearly hilarious especially after they had just reported that Cruz is going up in the polls and only trails trump by a mere 3 points nationwide, well within the margin of error, mind you, Trumps numbers aren't moving.. This race is by no means over but the media wants trump, that much is clear.. Well I think Megan Kelly isn't in the tank :thumbsup:
Also, watching the returns come in last night all the pundits were saying that Trump HAD to break that 50% mark, that if he couldn't break it with Arizona his campaign was in trouble, by the end of the night (or at least by the time I gave up and went to bed), Trump was a 46% and they were saying he broke that barrier.. Not a word about Cruz of course that hit a home run at 69%
If Donald Trump has peaked.... and Ted Cruz is steadily rising ... guess who's gonna get really ugly.
I get the impression the MSM is trying to drive CLOSURE to the primary, and start setting up a Clinton / Trump race.
Quote from: Hoofer on March 23, 2016, 08:56:24 PM
If Donald Trump has peaked.... and Ted Cruz is steadily rising ... guess who's gonna get really ugly.
I get the impression the MSM is trying to drive CLOSURE to the primary, and start setting up a Clinton / Trump race.
Ohhhh you know it they are setting the dinner table all up pretty for a Trump/Clinton ratings fiesta! Gag me with a spoon, a fork, a knife, and anything else there's room for... :cursing:
Quote from: Hoofer on March 23, 2016, 08:56:24 PM
If Donald Trump has peaked.... and Ted Cruz is steadily rising ... guess who's gonna get really ugly.
I get the impression the MSM is trying to drive CLOSURE to the primary, and start setting up a Clinton / Trump race.
Trump is predictable, he threatened Cruz's Wife Heidi today.. My first thought was uh-oh.. Donalds mad about something lol
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 23, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
Trump is predictable, he threatened Cruz's Wife Heidi today.. My first thought was uh-oh.. Donalds mad about something lol
Mr. Trump didn't threaten Cruz's wife today. Saying you will spill the beans about someone isn't threatening them.
You can dislike a candidate such as Trump without resorting to bald faced lying about what they say or do like the liberals over <<<< on that side of the aisle do.
Quote from: daidalos on March 24, 2016, 06:26:52 AM
Mr. Trump didn't threaten Cruz's wife today. Saying you will spill the beans about someone isn't threatening them.
You can dislike a candidate such as Trump without resorting to bald faced lying about what they say or do like the liberals over <<<< on that side of the aisle do.
Your right, how 'bout the Liberal and his sycophants on THIS SIDE OF THE AISLE.... claiming Cruz (NOT a SuperPac supporting him who he cannot even tell not to do things like this) LITERALLY HIMSELF posted the trashy pictures his wife had taken of her....as if he was outside her window with a camera.
...Then he proceeds to threaten to (in your words) "spill the beans" about "something"...
He is as bad as the Anonymous site with his veiled threats.
WAKE THE F&%K up America! or at least the ones who used to want a return to conservative constitutional govt who have thrown all in with lets face it, a
Complete JACKASS.
That's not my words, that's what Trump actually said in the tweet.
It was Mr. Trump who literally said he'd "spill the beans". Not yours truly here, I simply pointed out the accurate quote.
See sauce you still don't get it.
Claiming Heidi Cruz was threatened, is not true. Telling the truth about something someone has or hasn't done.
Isn't a threat. Going around, parroting the claim that it is. Right along with the rest of the establishment morons. Is further propagating a lie, that some obviously think it's ok to repeat, so long as it benefits Cruz.
Sorry to break it to ya's.
But Conservatives do not intentionally lie, or attempt to mislead other voters.
Simply because it benefits our own arguments or the candidate we like.
We do not attribute to, person A, something to person B, simply because we don't like this or that candidate or it suits our own itching ears to do so.
And we don't call it "throwing in" with a candidate when someone tells us the truth about what the candidate said or did either.
If you want to lie, if you want to be intentionally intellectually disingenuous, then I would posit there is no place for you in the Conservative tent.
You will be much happier over in the DNC and liberals tent. Where they not only will let you get away with that behavior.
But actively encourage it. Because here in the Conservative tent, we or well most of us will and have zero problem calling you out for it.
Not only that, but we, who are truly conservatives, actively discourage that kind of behavior also.
We've had enough of being lied to by liberal politicians.
We don't need or want our own candidates or their supporters doing it too.
Now that's the end of today's lecture on conservative ethics and morality.
:lol:
Quote from: daidalos on March 24, 2016, 07:22:04 AM
Now that's the end of today's lecture on conservative ethics and morality.
:lol:
Did you get your degree from Trump University or do you just lecture there? :ttoung: :biggrin: :ttoung: :biggrin:
My brother Sauce, here was a game commonly played (often by the more street-smart, less ethical students) called, "Let's-you-and-him-fight!" This whole thing was contrived by a salivating, savagely miscreant mass media in order to generate news website hits and T.V. viewers - nothing more or less than that. This was a classic case of, "Schoolyard 101," as the owner of the Right Minds forum (the other place I post) so appropriately pointed out over there, to an outraged poster.
So yes, there is an element of truth to the entire thing - maybe Cruz should be held to some extent responsible even for things that he didn't order, condone or approve, (though not lying) and Trump for promulgating some misconceptions of his own, but any of those issues pale in comparison to the other far-more substantive ones which occurred recently regarding the heinous, monstrous actions/statements of the Eightball Obama, Hill-O-lies Clinton, Colonel Sanders and the Cacogenic Crusade of the 'Crats.
Don't be manipulated into mistaking friends for enemies by a mass media which is expert in only one thing - instigating strife and discord.
I would gladly vote for either Cruz (my preference) or Trump (flaws notwithstanding) before any other candidate, least of all any of the 'Crat candidates.
Quote from: daidalos on March 24, 2016, 07:22:04 AM
That's not my words, that's what Trump actually said in the tweet.
It was Mr. Trump who literally said he'd "spill the beans". Not yours truly here, I simply pointed out the accurate quote.
See sauce you still don't get it.
Claiming Heidi Cruz was threatened, is not true. Telling the truth about something someone has or hasn't done.
Isn't a threat. Going around, parroting the claim that it is. Right along with the rest of the establishment morons. Is further propagating a lie, that some obviously think it's ok to repeat, so long as it benefits Cruz.
Sorry to break it to ya's.
But Conservatives do not intentionally lie, or attempt to mislead other voters.
Simply because it benefits our own arguments or the candidate we like.
We do not attribute to, person A, something to person B, simply because we don't like this or that candidate or it suits our own itching ears to do so.
And we don't call it "throwing in" with a candidate when someone tells us the truth about what the candidate said or did either.
If you want to lie, if you want to be intentionally intellectually disingenuous, then I would posit there is no place for you in the Conservative tent.
You will be much happier over in the DNC and liberals tent. Where they not only will let you get away with that behavior.
But actively encourage it. Because here in the Conservative tent, we or well most of us will and have zero problem calling you out for it.
Not only that, but we, who are truly conservatives, actively discourage that kind of behavior also.
We've had enough of being lied to by liberal politicians.
We don't need or want our own candidates or their supporters doing it too.
Now that's the end of today's lecture on conservative ethics and morality.
:lol:
Hollow or otherwise, a threat was alluded to, so therefore the threat of a threat was made.
You can play the game all you want, but the fact is, Trump is scum for pulling this shit.
Where I grew up, this kind of behavior got your ass kicked.
yeah, Cruz won Utah but difference in delegates for Trumps win in Arizona means Donald picks up 2 more delegates than Cruz
Quote from: TXborn on March 24, 2016, 03:45:32 PM
yeah, Cruz won Utah but difference in delegates for Trumps win in Arizona means Donald picks up 2 more delegates than Cruz
Canceled out via strategy.
Donald Trump beat Sen. Ted Cruz earlier this month in Louisiana's Republican presidential primary by 3.6 percentage points, but the Texan may wind up with as many as 10 more delegates from the state than the businessman.
Mr. Cruz's supporters also seized five of Louisiana's six slots on the three powerful committees that will write the rules and platform at the Republican National Convention and mediate disputes over delegates' eligibility this summer in Cleveland.
The little-noticed inside maneuvering that led to this outcome in Louisiana is another dramatic illustration of the inside game that could have an outsize influence on the bitter race for the GOP nomination. A similar process played out three weeks ago in Coweta County, Ga.
While Mr. Trump leads in winning primary and caucus elections, and has won more delegates, the Cruz campaign is proving superior at the arcane game of picking the people who will be the actual delegates to the convention, where they will help write the rules and ultimately choose the nominee.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/ted-cruz-gains-in-louisiana-after-loss-there-to-donald-trump-1458861959
Quote from: Solar on March 25, 2016, 06:28:26 AM
Canceled out via strategy.
Donald Trump beat Sen. Ted Cruz earlier this month in Louisiana's Republican presidential primary by 3.6 percentage points, but the Texan may wind up with as many as 10 more delegates from the state than the businessman.
Mr. Cruz's supporters also seized five of Louisiana's six slots on the three powerful committees that will write the rules and platform at the Republican National Convention and mediate disputes over delegates' eligibility this summer in Cleveland.
The little-noticed inside maneuvering that led to this outcome in Louisiana is another dramatic illustration of the inside game that could have an outsize influence on the bitter race for the GOP nomination. A similar process played out three weeks ago in Coweta County, Ga.
While Mr. Trump leads in winning primary and caucus elections, and has won more delegates, the Cruz campaign is proving superior at the arcane game of picking the people who will be the actual delegates to the convention, where they will help write the rules and ultimately choose the nominee.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/ted-cruz-gains-in-louisiana-after-loss-there-to-donald-trump-1458861959
Trump uses bankruptcy court, "Hey it's the law, and I used it, all legal!"
Cruz uses political process to win, "We are a nation of laws."
Trump will undoubtedly say, "Cruz cheated"
Cruz can say, "Didn't you learn anything from all those past defeats?"
Insanity - repeating the same thing & expecting different results.
Quote from: Hoofer on March 25, 2016, 06:41:29 AM
Trump uses bankruptcy court, "Hey it's the law, and I used it, all legal!"
Cruz uses political process to win, "We are a nation of laws."
Trump will undoubtedly say, "Cruz cheated"
Cruz can say, "Didn't you learn anything from all those past defeats?"
Insanity - repeating the same thing & expecting different results.
Yep
An informed electorate would make the
Right decision, but Trumpettes are an emotional lot that live on anger; they'll never connect the dots, though I believe his base is shrinking daily.
Quote from: Solar on March 25, 2016, 07:55:09 AM
Yep
An informed electorate would make the Right decision, but Trumpettes are an emotional lot that live on anger; they'll never connect the dots, though I believe his base is shrinking daily.
I visit other conservative boards and am shocked at how many are supporting and defending Trump. I just don't get it and I'm extremely disappointed by it.
Why can't they see what I/we do?
Quote from: Dori on March 25, 2016, 08:09:46 AM
I visit other conservative boards and am shocked at how many are supporting and defending Trump. I just don't get it and I'm extremely disappointed by it.
Why can't they see what I/we do?
Ever get the feeling we're in the modern equivalent of those times where Adherents to the True Faith had to draw symbols in the dirt, just to self-identify? (Here, fishie, fishie....) C for Cruz? Nah, too obvious: the libs would say it stands for Calgary....
Maybe it's a protest vote that became a national suicide note. Maybe we're all anarchists this cycle and we just can't stand any of these criminals and we want them gone, even if it means a New York enema like Trump to cleanse our political digestive system.
Quote from: Dori on March 25, 2016, 08:09:46 AM
I visit other conservative boards and am shocked at how many are supporting and defending Trump. I just don't get it and I'm extremely disappointed by it.
Why can't they see what I/we do?
That's what happens when a site is flooded with libs/Trumpettes.
Quote from: Solar on March 25, 2016, 11:00:02 AM
That's what happens when a site is flooded with libs/Trumpettes.
I have yet to see a coherent Trump supporter on the boards. They all come off as loud ADD enthusiasts...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on March 25, 2016, 11:12:58 AM
I have yet to see a coherent Trump supporter on the boards. They all come off as loud ADD enthusiasts...
Yep, pure emotion.
Quote from: Solar on March 25, 2016, 11:15:00 AM
Yep, pure emotion.
Also, they are becoming totally paranoid about Cruz. Trump is doing a good job of solidifying his establishment opposition to make sure he does not get the nomination.
Meanwhile, The dems are gleeful - until they remember Hillary is their albatross.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 24, 2016, 10:38:52 AM
My brother Sauce, here was a game commonly played (often by the more street-smart, less ethical students) called, "Let's-you-and-him-fight!" This whole thing was contrived by a salivating, savagely miscreant mass media in order to generate news website hits and T.V. viewers - nothing more or less than that. This was a classic case of, "Schoolyard 101," as the owner of the Right Minds forum (the other place I post) so appropriately pointed out over there, to an outraged poster.
So yes, there is an element of truth to the entire thing - maybe Cruz should be held to some extent responsible even for things that he didn't order, condone or approve, (though not lying) and Trump for promulgating some misconceptions of his own, but any of those issues pale in comparison to the other far-more substantive ones which occurred recently regarding the heinous, monstrous actions/statements of the Eightball Obama, Hill-O-lies Clinton, Colonel Sanders and the Cacogenic Crusade of the 'Crats.
Don't be manipulated into mistaking friends for enemies by a mass media which is expert in only one thing - instigating strife and discord.
I would gladly vote for either Cruz (my preference) or Trump (flaws notwithstanding) before any other candidate, least of all any of the 'Crat candidates.
That's sad. Even sadder, you think there's a difference between Hillary and Trump.
Quote from: Dori on March 25, 2016, 08:09:46 AM
I visit other conservative boards and am shocked at how many are supporting and defending Trump. I just don't get it and I'm extremely disappointed by it.
Why can't they see what I/we do?
Here's what they see:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/trump-the-unelectable/msg298178/#msg298178
That is one huuuuge difference between Trump and Hil
LIARy.
She is all in for whatever the ruling clique wants,
that being the liquidation of America.
Quote from: Dori on March 25, 2016, 08:09:46 AM
I visit other conservative boards and am shocked at how many are supporting and defending Trump. I just don't get it and I'm extremely disappointed by it.
Why can't they see what I/we do?
I don't visit those sites, one time was enough (I had followed a Sarah Palin article to one of them).
None of them want to to elect a strong leader who would turn on their values, yet, many of the promises Donald Trump has made - are already up for negotiation. Does Trump has one of those "executive decision" making balls on his desk? Maybe he has one of these:
http://www.zazzle.com/the_executive_decision_maker_magic_8_ball_style_dartboard-256579697806555292
Reminds me of John Kerry, 'first I was for it, then I came out against it'.
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This is just to .... unbelievable. Nobody knows where Trump stands on the issues,
neither does heWith Ted Cruz, there is no doubt, he is solidly in the Constitutional - Conservative - TEA camp.
Liberty, Freedom & restoring our rights outlined in the Bill of Rights.
Quote from: taxed on March 25, 2016, 06:15:38 PM
That's sad. Even sadder, you think there's a difference between Hillary and Trump.
Okham's Razor - If Trump wants to be reelected, he will steer to a course which is more in line with conservative values - because leftism is a sure path to utter and complete catastrophe. Trump may be amoral and not aligned with conservative values, but he is a pragmatist and therefore less likely to be a catastrophe as president than Hill-O-Lies, Colonel Sanders or any other 'Crat. To assume that he would not be requires an adjunct assumption that he is either too dumb or too indifferent to reelection to govern pragmatically (ie., to largely reject the worst aspects of leftism).
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 27, 2016, 01:44:17 AM
Okham's Razor - If Trump wants to be reelected, he will steer to a course which is more in line with conservative values - because leftism is a sure path to utter and complete catastrophe. Trump may be amoral and not aligned with conservative values, but he is a pragmatist and therefore less likely to be a catastrophe as president than Hill-O-Lies, Colonel Sanders or any other 'Crat. To assume that he would not be requires an adjunct assumption that he is either too dumb or too indifferent to reelection to govern pragmatically (ie., to largely reject the worst aspects of leftism).
While I won't say that assumption's flat out wrong, Trump has few examples of pragmatism as a conservative. As a LIBERAL pragmatist, he's got a boatload of examples, with contributions to the most LEFTIST Liberals to boot!
I view Trump as the salesman he is, not a businessman, not a politician.
a.
He "sells" investors and bankers on "investment ideas" even though business analysis says it's a poor or worse loser - ... Casinos in New Jersey...? Which ones succeed or are still open?
b.
The guy throws money around like ... a kid who doesn't have any, trying to snooker/impress his friends with "so much wealth, this is a meer pittance".
c.
An honest salesman doesn't more than BELIEVE in the product, he BACKS IT UP, good and bad. Trump "sells more sizzle" than steak.
d.
Many successful companies are started in a garage, cheap rental facilities - not these expensive "Brand Name" nonsense. Every penny is tracked, hence, I'm really skeptical about Trump's alleged wealth.
e.
Name Branding is ALL Trump has. Again, for effect, NAME BRANDING is ALL Trump has. In case anyone missed it, Name Branding is ALL Trump has.
Why he'll protect his name over the everything else, even the nation's best interests.
Yeah, and some of Trump's policy ideas on the economy echo Herbert Hoover (another businessman turned politician) who protectionist policies (such as the catastrophically ill advised Smoot-Hawley tariffs) precipitated and worsened the Great Depression, led to FDR being elected three times and to all of the horrifying damage that FDR's horribly misguided policies did to the foundational structure of the U.S. government.
To my knowledge Senator Cruz has proposed nothing more radical than anything Reagan proposed, such as lessening government regulatory control in non-essential sectors (eliminating tinkering by elitist social scientists) reducing the corporate tax rates (Trump also favors this, which only proves he'd smart enough to listen to reason in some cases) strengthening the military and cutting non-essential social programs so that spending can be concentrated on vital infrastructural upgrades and repairs.
I have the same misgivings many of you do about why so many on the right are supporting trump.. Its nearly the same diatribe time and again, when asked the questions they simply have no answer yet give this man their full support.. Here are just a few issues that neither trump or his supporters can or will answer
1) You want to build a wall along the border, when ask how this will be paid for you say Mexico will pay for it. When asked what happens if Mexico wont pay for it you say "Believe me, they will pay for it" Mr Trump, what if Mexico refuses to pay for your wall?
2) When asked about Obamacare you say you will repeal and replace it.. you have yet to tell us what you will replace it with, just a few months ago you supported universal health care, is that what you will replace Obamacare with?
3) You say that we need to bring back waterboarding, you also say you would go further than water boarding and even target the families of suspected terrorist, you also said the military will "do what you tell them to do" when it was pointed out that torture is illegal you pivoted and said you would follow the law, a few days later you said the law needs to be changed.. What exactly is your position here?
4) You talk about Tarriffs, you say you will impose a 45% tariff if countries like China don't play your game. It has been pointed out to you that to impose a tariff does not hurt the country you impose it upon but rather it hurts the consumer, the ones who will ultimately pay that 45% increase. Now you say this is just a threat and to "believe you when you say its a very good threat" What exactly is your position here?
5) You have self identified with democrats in the past, what have you done in your life/business that show us you have Conservative values both in your public and private life?
Just to name a few :)
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 28, 2016, 02:06:50 PM
I have the same misgivings many of you do about why so many on the right are supporting trump.. Its nearly the same diatribe time and again, when asked the questions they simply have no answer yet give this man their full support.. Here are just a few issues that neither trump or his supporters can or will answer
1) You want to build a wall along the border, when ask how this will be paid for you say Mexico will pay for it. When asked what happens if Mexico wont pay for it you say "Believe me, they will pay for it" Mr Trump, what if Mexico refuses to pay for your wall?
2) When asked about Obamacare you say you will repeal and replace it.. you have yet to tell us what you will replace it with, just a few months ago you supported universal health care, is that what you will replace Obamacare with?
3) You say that we need to bring back waterboarding, you also say you would go further than water boarding and even target the families of suspected terrorist, you also said the military will "do what you tell them to do" when it was pointed out that torture is illegal you pivoted and said you would follow the law, a few days later you said the law needs to be changed.. What exactly is your position here?
4) You talk about Tarriffs, you say you will impose a 45% tariff if countries like China don't play your game. It has been pointed out to you that to impose a tariff does not hurt the country you impose it upon but rather it hurts the consumer, the ones who will ultimately pay that 45% increase. Now you say this is just a threat and to "believe you when you say its a very good threat" What exactly is your position here?
5) You have self identified with democrats in the past, what have you done in your life/business that show us you have Conservative values both in your public and private life?
Just to name a few :)
1... we've already had a thread that explained how Mexico can be forced to pay us a one-time-only 10-billion payment for the wall, out of their usual 58-billion per year they get from us. Boot them from NAFTA, tariffs on all incoming goods, taxes on all currency-transactions with American-banks/money-orders/wire-transactions/cash over $500.00 on person, cancel obama's 1-billion Gulf oil-exploration permit, stop all US aid.
2... he's already mentioned starting private healthcare-accounts, eliminating State-borders, allowing Vets to get care in any hospital, issuing temporary hc-cards until obamacare's damage is fixed.
3... since half the islamic terror-acts involve people from the same family as other family-members get compensated, I don't see a problem with putting the entire brood out of action. As far as waterboarding-or-worse... It's not like we
want to do it. The trick is to make the enemy
believe that we want to do it.
4... if American-goods made in China go up 45%, then we'd better just produce the goods here instead. It'll only hurt for a little while. It'll hurt China for a much longer while... unless they come to their senses and open-up their markets to our stuff at competitive prices.
5... the average pay in the Trump Corp. is 81-grand per year. Seems fair. I don't think anybody wants a
litmus-test of anybody's ideology, whose never held public-office. The RNC approved his viability to run. Any fierce opposition otherwise should've been hammered-out last July. Not January.
Quote from: kit saginaw on March 28, 2016, 03:19:46 PM
1... we've already had a thread that explained how Mexico can be forced to pay us a one-time-only 10-billion payment for the wall, out of their usual 58-billion per year they get from us. Boot them from NAFTA, tariffs on all incoming goods, taxes on all currency-transactions with American-banks/money-orders/wire-transactions/cash over $500.00 on person, cancel obama's 1-billion Gulf oil-exploration permit, stop all US aid.
After listening to the Charlie Sykes / Donald Trump interview from TODAY, these are all bargaining tools, idle threats, per Donald.
I'll write them all off as campaign BS.
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2... he's already mentioned starting private healthcare-accounts, eliminating State-borders, allowing Vets to get care in any hospital, issuing temporary hc-cards until obamacare's damage is fixed.
Trump has been in favor of a single-payer system for a long time - which is why Obama care was designed to fail, single payer replaces it. Trump finishes what Obama started, healthcare like Canada, Cuba, UK, etc.
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3... since half the islamic terror-acts involve people from the same family as other family-members get compensated, I don't see a problem with putting the entire brood out of action. As far as waterboarding-or-worse... It's not like we want to do it. The trick is to make the enemy believe that we want to do it.
While we'd all prefer to give death to those who love martyrdom, let them die for their cause and our boys go home.... I think arming the military with bullets dipped in Pig blood and gun barrel lubricant of pig fat, would be a better deterrent. It is interesting how the 'horror of war' is the best deterrent & demoralizer to the opposition. Bomb them once, they get pissed. Bomb them again, they get scared. Bomb them again, they get the message - or they're already dead. We need to bar the press from wartime activities.
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4... if American-goods made in China go up 45%, then we'd better just produce the goods here instead. It'll only hurt for a little while. It'll hurt China for a much longer while... unless they come to their senses and open-up their markets to our stuff at competitive prices.
As simple as it sounds, and boy, it's tempting to politicians to collect a 45% Tariff/Tax on imported goods... it's been tried - and it deeped a great depression. This will kill small businesses faster than a recession, and kick inflation into high gear.
How do countries answer a Tariff - they impose a similar Tariff on our goods, which cuts off the exports of American goods. Then the other countries, without trade restrictions, have a tremendous market at cut rate prices because our goods have tariffs on them. Tariffs/Taxes on import/export goods hurt producers, manufacturers, farmers - everyone.
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5... the average pay in the Trump Corp. is 81-grand per year. Seems fair. I don't think anybody wants a litmus-test of anybody's ideology, whose never held public-office. The RNC approved his viability to run. Any fierce opposition otherwise should've been hammered-out last July. Not January.
We're still in the Primary season, aren't we? The greatest opposition to Donald Trump is from Women, over 70% Like AmericanMom said, I really cannot see anything from Trump that would suggest he is being sincere with any of his claims... everything is a bargaining chip for him - he just said it TODAY on WTMJ.
Very nice, substantive appraisal and IMO dead spot on. If Trump is the nominee I'd vote for him before throwing a tantrum and abstaining or voting turd party. I wish Trump supports would say the same about Cruz or some other candidate.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 06:45:15 AM
Very nice, substantive appraisal and IMO dead spot on. If Trump is the nominee I'd vote for him before throwing a tantrum and abstaining or voting turd party. I wish Trump supports would say the same about Cruz or some other candidate.
I wont waste my vote on someone who does not hold Conservative values.
I'll not throw a tantrum, no need to, Trump has that down to a tee
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 29, 2016, 07:36:50 AM
I wont waste my vote on someone who does not hold Conservative values.
I'll not throw a tantrum, no need to, Trump has that down to a tee
Same here, at least with Hillary we know what we're getting, with Trump the liar, it could be one Hell of a lot worse.
Quote from: Solar on March 29, 2016, 07:51:59 AM
Same here, at least with Hillary we know what we're getting, with Trump the liar, it could be one Hell of a lot worse.
trump is nothing more than a man who looks after himself first. He has donated to the leftist who have had the biggest hand in destroying our country and economy, he donated to help himself first. He is the epitome of Crony Capitalism and is what we must reject at all cost, even if it means Hillary gets the White House, we live to fight another day, not put someone in office that will destroy all aspects of Conservatism.
Present the same 5 propositions to Cruz.
Apart from abolishing the IRS, which he hasn't explained how... He's a first-term Senator, a heartbeat away from governing as a RINO.
1... Build the wall with American-taxpayer money, while Mexico continues collecting 58-billion from us. Thanks, Ted.
2... Cruz doesn't explain how he'll replace obamacare. Will he do anything differently than what Trump has put-forth?
3... Cruz and Trump both say they'll snuff the jihadists... which aren't worth killing a pig for.
4... Where's Ted on trade? He's a lawyer. Not a businessman or economist. I see no proposals anywhere.
5... http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/03/28/ted-cruz-is-no-rebel-he-just-plays-one-on-tv/
Gosh, I wish I were a 'true conservative'. From there, I could be poised to become a 'true true conservative'. Then the possibilities are endless.
2 (a)... True Conservative rule #318... Donald Trump is not allowed to change his mind on single-payer healthcare. He's locked-in forever. "Probably won't work well in the U.S." is henceforth null-and-void from any discussion.
Quote from: kit saginaw on March 29, 2016, 08:58:25 AM
2 (a)... True Conservative rule #318... Donald Trump is not allowed to change his mind on single-payer healthcare. He's locked-in forever. "Probably won't work well in the U.S." is henceforth null-and-void from any discussion.
At least we agree on something :biggrin: Now if we can just get that clause on every other issue he's flipped, flopped or introduced as mere cannon fodder for his brilliant negotiating and deal making ...
then perhaps we would be done with this rues for good.
Quote from: kit saginaw on March 29, 2016, 08:58:25 AM
Present the same 5 propositions to Cruz.
Apart from abolishing the IRS, which he hasn't explained how... He's a first-term Senator, a heartbeat away from governing as a RINO.
Straw man, meet match.
Quote1... Build the wall with American-taxpayer money, while Mexico continues collecting 58-billion from us. Thanks, Ted.
What a load of shit! If you have a neighbor that refuses to clean up their mess, what makes you think they want a fence?
I will happily pay to keep these neighbors off my property, only a fool would think such a bad neighbor would even help fund a fence that interferes with their income and way of life.
Quote2... Cruz doesn't explain how he'll replace obamacare. Will he do anything differently than what Trump has put-forth?
Jeeez, Kit , are you freakin asleep? Cruz isn't the moron claiming he can fix socialized medicine, he stated quite clearly he'll destroy it!
It's your lib that wants to replace it with what he claims is improved socialized medicine.
Quote3... Cruz and Trump both say they'll snuff the jihadists... which aren't worth killing a pig for.
OK... :blink:
Quote4... Where's Ted on trade? He's a lawyer. Not a businessman or economist. I see no proposals anywhere.
That's because you have your head so far up Trump's ass, you can't see beyond his sphincter.
Original sponsor of Audit-The-Fed bill. (Jan 2016)
Would I bail out the banks again? Absolutely not!. (Nov 2015)
I would not bail out Bank of America. (Nov 2015)
1.2% annual growth over last 8 years is a disaster. (Nov 2015)
Audit the Fed; then end quantitative easing. (Oct 2015)
Use debt limit as leverage for policy change. (Oct 2015)
Top 1% under Obama got fat & happy while workers are hurting. (Feb 2015)
Lost Generation: Obama agenda hammers young people. (Mar 2014)
Balanced budget amendment to stop bankrupting our country. (Mar 2014)
Choice is more federal spending, or free markets & liberty. (Aug 2012)
FactCheck: Yes, gross federal debt now exceeds GDP. (Aug 2012)
Demand a Balanced Budget amendment. (Jul 2010)
Limit federal spending growth to per-capita inflation rate. (Jul 2010)
Supports a constitutional BBA. (Oct 2012)
Supports the Cut-Cap-and-Balance Pledge. (Jan 2012)
Endorsed by the Club for Growth, for pro-growth stances. (Aug 2012)
Audit the Federal Reserve & its actions on mortgage loans. (Feb 2013)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ted_Cruz.htm
Quote5... http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/03/28/ted-cruz-is-no-rebel-he-just-plays-one-on-tv/
Gosh, I wish I were a 'true conservative'. From there, I could be poised to become a 'true true conservative'. Then the possibilities are endless.
Hell, I'd settle for moderate in your case.
Quote2 (a)... True Conservative rule #318... Donald Trump is not allowed to change his mind on single-payer healthcare. He's locked-in forever. "Probably won't work well in the U.S." is henceforth null-and-void from any discussion.
If you Trumpaloons would hold him to any one single issue, that would be a start.
But you can't post one single issue the lib hasn't flip flopped on.
Fixed quotes.
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"At least we know what we are getting with Hill-O-lies."
Do tell. I can't believe I actually read that post on a conservative forum. Please tell me that you are kidding. That's very much like saying you'd feel safer dealing with someone who admits that they're going to murder you and has a knife in their hand, than with someone who says that they won't and actually has at least some motivation not to murder you. Assuming that rationality is a prerequisite factor in deciding your vote, how is that a rational position? :scared:
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 01:48:34 PM
"At least we know what we are getting with Hill-O-lies."
Do tell. I can't believe I actually read that post on a conservative forum. Please tell me that you are kidding. That's very much like saying you'd feel safer dealing with someone who admits that they're going to murder you and has a knife in their hand, than with someone who says that they won't and actually has at least some motivation not to murder you. Assuming that rationality is a prerequisite factor in deciding your vote, how is that a rational position? :scared:
When your abuser tells you they promise to stop raping you year after year, yet 30 years go by and they continue to lie, still you willingly accept what you know to be another lie, why would you allow one more year?
That lie being a promise of running a Conservative, or at least sticking to Conservative principle, only to give the Dim party everything they ask for and more (Omnibus Bill), and still you willingly vote for a lib running as an (R)?
What we've been doing decade after decade is allowing insanity lead us towards socialism via the Establishment.
That ship has sailed, Conservatives are through with libs running our party, and that includes Trump, an admitted NY Lib.
Sometimes it's the Devil you know, than the one you don't that's the safer choice.
Nothing has changed.
http://newsblaze.com/thoughts/opinions/will-america-be-safe-with-bunch-of-rino-at-helm_23977/
Trump is the establishments Trojan horse.
Quote from: redsun on March 29, 2016, 03:13:04 PM
Trump is the establishments Trojan horse.
I heard it said that the rapist Bill Clinton was the one that gave Mr.Trump the idea to for for the president.If that is true then we should never vote for him.The big problem is if he makes a 3rd party.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 01:48:34 PM
"At least we know what we are getting with Hill-O-lies."
Do tell. I can't believe I actually read that post on a conservative forum. Please tell me that you are kidding. That's very much like saying you'd feel safer dealing with someone who admits that they're going to murder you and has a knife in their hand, than with someone who says that they won't and actually has at least some motivation not to murder you. Assuming that rationality is a prerequisite factor in deciding your vote, how is that a rational position? :scared:
Yes sir, you did just read it on a Conservative forum.. Now explain to me why you and others have your panties in a wad because so many Conservatives refuse to vote for *shock* a non conservative? ...
Well, there's no need to be insulting. The solution to this is that you are clearly not as strong a conservative as you believe. A substantive response would be preferred rather than passive aggression such as references to "panties". I know that you have strong feelings that Trump is not a conservative. So if you are inflexible on that then we have no basis for conversation. But see from my own POV, there was this guy named Ronald Reagan and he had a friend named William F. Buckley, who came up with this crazy notion that one should in the final analysis put aside one's hurt feelings and vote for the most conservative candidate who could win. To insist that any of the current 'Crats is as conservative as Trump shows a certain uh, inclination to circumnavigate stipulated aspects of reality. You already know that I am a Cruz fan (or if not be so advised) and no big fan of Trump. But I am not so occluded by emotion to believe that Trump is as insane as either of the current 'Crat candidates. This may all be moot, because in light of the most current Trump scandal, Cruz may well get 85% of the remaining delegates and be the nominee anyway.
Quote from: kit saginaw on March 29, 2016, 08:58:25 AM
Present the same 5 propositions to Cruz.
Apart from abolishing the IRS, which he hasn't explained how... He's a first-term Senator, a heartbeat away from governing as a RINO.
Cruz has presented several cases before the SCOTUS, Trump has been in court too... for bankruptcy.
Cruz has a proven constitutional conservative track record, the ONLY track record Trump has is funding the most liberal of the bunch
(no, I don't buy his pay-to-play crap, because if he was SERIOUS, he'd start fingering every one of those he bought off in congress - wouldn't he?)Quote
1... Build the wall with American-taxpayer money, while Mexico continues collecting 58-billion from us. Thanks, Ted.
The funding for the wall has already been approved. Slap Tariffs on imports, and we still pay for it. WE are going to pay for it - don't kid yourself.
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2... Cruz doesn't explain how he'll replace obamacare. Will he do anything differently than what Trump has put-forth?
Yes, and remember during several of the debates, Ted Cruz stated he would:
a. repeal every word of Obamacare.
b. set up health savings accounts - tax exempt savings for your medical bills.
c. get the government OUT of the healthcare business.
d. VETS can go anywhere for care.
Trump stole the "VETs go anywhere with a card" idea from Ted Cruz. Trump also said a single payer system was the way to go. (same as Obama, per his interview in Chicago, when he was running for the Senate. In essence, he said the current system was necessary to destroy our current healthcare system, so people would be more receptive to a single-payer system)
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3... Cruz and Trump both say they'll snuff the jihadists... which aren't worth killing a pig for.
no comment necessary, is there? I get enough fat-back from my hogs... probably grease half the army's annual supply of 223 ammo.
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4... Where's Ted on trade? He's a lawyer. Not a businessman or economist. I see no proposals anywhere.
Ted's an honest lawyer... Donald used the law to 'save his bacon' - not exactly the kind of businessman I'd trust with my money - but would you....?
I fail to understand the relevance in the rest, sorry, not trying to sound like a jerk, just being honest.
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5... http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/03/28/ted-cruz-is-no-rebel-he-just-plays-one-on-tv/
Gosh, I wish I were a 'true conservative'. From there, I could be poised to become a 'true true conservative'. Then the possibilities are endless.
2 (a)... True Conservative rule #318... Donald Trump is not allowed to change his mind on single-payer healthcare. He's locked-in forever. "Probably won't work well in the U.S." is henceforth null-and-void from any discussion.
My case rests. Trump is not a liberal slash Democrat.
Quote from: kit saginaw on March 29, 2016, 07:37:25 PM
My case rests. Trump is not a liberal slash Democrat.
Yet at one time, no, two times he was a Dim , therefore he once again proved just how big a lib he truly is, he flipped flopped on what he claims as his party.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 05:42:19 PM
This may all be moot, because in light of the most current Trump scandal, Cruz may well get 85% of the remaining delegates and be the nominee anyway.
Yeah. Don't worry. I've had my Party, me, and my ideology bashed and name-called by Dems/libs since I first got online in '96. Now I'm getting it from the
right too.
Oh well... another day, another
John Cameron Swayze mantra.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 27, 2016, 01:44:17 AM
Okham's Razor - If Trump wants to be reelected, he will steer to a course which is more in line with conservative values - because leftism is a sure path to utter and complete catastrophe.
Then why not run as one? Anticipating a mentally incompetent scam artist to do the right, logical thing is silly.
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Trump may be amoral and not aligned with conservative values, but he is a pragmatist and therefore less likely to be a catastrophe as president than Hill-O-Lies, Colonel Sanders or any other 'Crat.
Trump a pragmatist? I'm hoping you are just being sarcastic. Trump is a scam artist who couldn't survive if he had to start and run a business, never mind being in charge of something of scope as the White House. He would be worse than Hillary. That probably explains why Hillary trounces him in the polling he holds dear to.
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To assume that he would not be requires an adjunct assumption that he is either too dumb or too indifferent to reelection to govern pragmatically (ie., to largely reject the worst aspects of leftism).
I can't assume he is smart until I see him do something smart. As someone who has been in business for coming on 20 years, I spot his BS a mile away. He has to buy politicians, because he doesn't have the savvy or business acumen to survive otherwise. He is a fraud, and he will deliver Hillary on a silver platter.
Daddy's not around to bail him out anymore.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 06:45:15 AM
Very nice, substantive appraisal and IMO dead spot on. If Trump is the nominee I'd vote for him before throwing a tantrum and abstaining or voting turd party. I wish Trump supports would say the same about Cruz or some other candidate.
You may be comfortable voting for a liberal, but I'm not.
Quote from: taxed on March 29, 2016, 11:56:32 PM
You may be comfortable voting for a liberal, but I'm not.
I'm not comfortable with voting to supply oxygen to a liberal...you old softy, you.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 01:48:34 PM
"At least we know what we are getting with Hill-O-lies."
Do tell. I can't believe I actually read that post on a conservative forum.
Why? It is true.
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Please tell me that you are kidding.
Yet you attempt to pitch that Trump is consistent and a pragmatist. No conservative would every say that. A conservative would, however, identify what Hillary would do.
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That's very much like saying you'd feel safer dealing with someone who admits that they're going to murder you and has a knife in their hand, than with someone who says that they won't and actually has at least some motivation not to murder you.
Yes. I can be prepared and brace myself for the one saying they'll kill me.
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Assuming that rationality is a prerequisite factor in deciding your vote, how is that a rational position? :scared:
Because a rational approach would be to assess the irrationality of an irrational person. Trump is too irrational, and has a proven that beyond any reasonable doubt.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 05:42:19 PM
Well, there's no need to be insulting.
She wasn't.
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The solution to this is that you are clearly not as strong a conservative as you believe.
Incorrect. A-Mom is on the A-team of conservatives. Your contrast to her is only eroding your delusion that you are one.
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A substantive response would be preferred rather than passive aggression such as references to "panties". I know that you have strong feelings that Trump is not a conservative.
Those aren't feelings. That is an established fact. As a conservative, it is easy to identify that. For a non-conservative, you get caught up in your hopes and dreams of what he could be.
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So if you are inflexible on that then we have no basis for conversation.
The conversation ended when you attempted to lob the idiocy that Trump is anywhere near a conservative, or would be a better vote than Hillary.
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But see from my own POV, there was this guy named Ronald Reagan and he had a friend named William F. Buckley, who came up with this crazy notion that one should in the final analysis put aside one's hurt feelings and vote for the most conservative candidate who could win.
No, I won't vote for Hillary.
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To insist that any of the current 'Crats is as conservative as Trump shows a certain uh, inclination to circumnavigate stipulated aspects of reality.
Incorrect. She is as conservative as Trump. The difference is Hillary isn't pretending to have an ah-ha moment and flipping to conservative positions after 60+ years of liberal loyalty. You are someone who thought Hussein was pro-capitalist, because he didn't admit to being a Marxist. Your perspectives are at odds with thinking.
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You already know that I am a Cruz fan
A fan? yay.
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(or if not be so advised) and no big fan of Trump. But I am not so occluded by emotion to believe that Trump is as insane as either of the current 'Crat candidates.
This circles back to your delusional perspective.
Quote from: quiller on March 29, 2016, 11:59:07 PM
I'm not comfortable with voting to supply oxygen to a liberal...you old softy, you.
I would be, if there was a nice flame dependent on it...
Quote from: taxed on March 30, 2016, 12:15:20 AM
I would be, if there was a nice flame dependent on it...
I see you're having fun schooling the Trumpettes today. :lol:
Quote from: quiller on March 30, 2016, 12:25:15 AM
I see you're having fun schooling the Trumpettes today. :lol:
Ironically, they know all about schooling with Trump University and all. Not the brightest bunch of bulbs in the knife drawer.
Quote from: taxed on March 30, 2016, 12:37:06 AM
Ironically, they know all about schooling with Trump University and all. Not the brightest bunch of bulbs in the knife drawer.
They can't stand Trump but will vote for him? Am I hearing this right, or did Rod Serling just do a cakewalk across the stage and forgot to cue the camera guy?
This guy can't hold the same opinion twice in one hour and these dimwits want HIS finger on the big red button? They want HIS kind of negotiators allowing muslims to murder us on our own soil? They want HIS kind of free-speech advocate threatening anyone he disagrees with, or dares to criticize him?
THESE morons are fair game. They can't vote their way out of stupid if they tried.
Quote from: quiller on March 30, 2016, 01:15:31 AM
They can't stand Trump but will vote for him? Am I hearing this right, or did Rod Serling just do a cakewalk across the stage and forgot to cue the camera guy?
This guy can't hold the same opinion twice in one hour and these dimwits want HIS finger on the big red button? They want HIS kind of negotiators allowing muslims to murder us on our own soil? They want HIS kind of free-speech advocate threatening anyone he disagrees with, or dares to criticize him?
THESE morons are fair game. They can't vote their way out of stupid if they tried.
They're such idiots. He flipped a coin to decide if he should go with an (R) or (D) next to his name, and that's good enough for these geniuses to pretend he's better than Hillary.
Trump just rescinded his pledge: just pick a few
a. to stay on the Republican ticket.
b. to build the Mexican wall and have Mexico pay for it.
c. to deport illegal aliens
d. to support the Republican nominee, because he feels mistreated.
e. to support the 2nd amendment.
f. to raise taxes on the rich, cut taxes - oh heck the whole tax plan is up for grabs.
g. to keep the internet free and uncensored.
h. to keep the wife and children of his opponents off-limits.
j. to allow VETS to get healthcare anywhere, anytime in any hospital / with any doctor.
k. (fill in the blank with ANY campaign promise you THINK he's made)
He's not a politician, conservative, republican, statesman or outsider - he's talking like a SALESMAN, willing to say anything for your vote. "Trust me, trust me, trust me!" -why-
Some interesting thoughts to consider. I note however a high level of invective with very emotion-laden terminology which tends to shut down dialogue on both sides of the Trump issue. Vituperation (the fixing of condemnation/character indictments on others due to substantive disagreements) is reassuring because it helps to eliminate self-doubt but weakens the substantive argument because it places the discussion back on emotions, not facts.
For the pro-Trump side, they take Trump's good character and intentions in pursuing a conservative agenda in most regards as fact (though largely unable to defend the view rationally), while the anti-Trump side takes the opposite view but is (at least for me) almost equally unable to make a compelling rational case (though there are admittedly some alarming facts and logical conjecture to consider in favor of that view).
For me the argument against voting for Trump if it comes to a choice between him or any 'Crat reduces to whether or not one is willing to accept the possibility that an agrarian populist like Trump will do less damage to the nation as president than self-acknowledged radical socialists.
For me condemning Trump absolutely is still a bridge too far to cross in large part because it accepts an absolutist, doctrinaire POV - as if Trump has been arrested, tried and convicted instead of only strongly suspected of crimes against conservative ideology which disqualify him from consideration as a viable alternative to an avowed leftist lunatic as president.
Cutting through all of the emotion on both sides and trying to place the debate on substantive, factual ground rather than on speculative conjecture is proving far more difficult than I ever anticipated it would.
Mercifully Trump seems to be well on the way to making all of this discussion of his moral / ideological fitness moot by self-destructing through missteps of his campaign. This latest problem with his campaign manager may well prove to be his Waterloo. Justified or not, the incident is showing signs of delivering a death-blow to the Trump campaign by eliminating any chance he might have had to make up strong negatives with key demographics like women and younger voters. Selah.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 30, 2016, 04:53:53 AM
Cutting through all of the emotion on both sides and trying to place the debate on substantive, factual ground rather than speculative conjecture is proving far more difficult than I ever anticipated it would.
Whenever there has been a
substantive policy from Donald Trump - he pivots a month later, contradicts himself, and inserts personal attacks against Ted Cruz, branding him as "lying Ted" is not the way to have an honest debate. This has been, and continues to be a one-sided smear campaign - and confirming who is the "presidential" candidate.
Quote from: Hoofer on March 30, 2016, 05:07:27 AM
Whenever there has been a substantive policy from Donald Trump - he pivots a month later, contradicts himself, and inserts personal attacks against Ted Cruz, branding him as "lying Ted" is not the way to have an honest debate. This has been, and continues to be a one-sided smear campaign - and confirming who is the "presidential" candidate.
The longer Trump is on the stage the more stale his act becomes. More folks are beginning to see his lack of substance and organization. Just this week he selected someone to run his convention strategy. I would suspect Cruz has had a team for this aspect of the campaign from the get go.
Quote from: taxed on March 30, 2016, 12:13:36 AM
She wasn't.
Incorrect. A-Mom is on the A-team of conservatives. Your contrast to her is only eroding your delusion that you are one.
Those aren't feelings. That is an established fact. As a conservative, it is easy to identify that. For a non-conservative, you get caught up in your hopes and dreams of what he could be.
The conversation ended when you attempted to lob the idiocy that Trump is anywhere near a conservative, or would be a better vote than Hillary.
No, I won't vote for Hillary.
Incorrect. She is as conservative as Trump. The difference is Hillary isn't pretending to have an ah-ha moment and flipping to conservative positions after 60+ years of liberal loyalty. You are someone who thought Hussein was pro-capitalist, because he didn't admit to being a Marxist. Your perspectives are at odds with thinking.
A fan? yay.
This circles back to your delusional perspective.
Thank you for your kind words and support. :smile:
Anyone who had any doubt if Trump is or ever was a conservative needed to only listen to him last night. He was asked what the three functions of the Federal Government are, He said Security, Healthcare and Education.. He backtracked quickly when pressed on 2/3 of those statements. That is just one example, the man is a walking contradiction upon himself. He has words and catch phrases but no substance or understanding of either our Constitution or bill of rights beyond what his rights are, that extends to those who support him...
People get offended pretty quickly over the issue of whether we should vote for "whomever the candidate is" it is a must beat Hillary mentality that I reject and reject soundly, I believe with every fiber of my being that there are actually worse people to elect than she and Donald J Trump is one of them.
Edited to add link:
http://www.examiner.com/article/trump-health-care-education-two-of-three-top-government-functions (http://www.examiner.com/article/trump-health-care-education-two-of-three-top-government-functions)
"I believe with every fiber of my being," So there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that you are mistaken !?! No chance whatsoever that Trump is just an agrarian populist who is trying to steer a middle course (a center-right) by using mostly emotionally-powerful but substantively vague (even contradictory) rhetoric? Those are some pretty strong fibers! :smile:
I realize that this whole campaign has been shot through with more emotion than I've seen in a campaign, but I really think discussion of the central issues are being drowned out by vituperation (blaming people for being morally or intellectually inferior) and harsh invective much of the time.
For me, Trump supporters are not the enemy, they are potential allies with whom we other conservatives may disagree strongly - nothing more or less than that. It's always fun to denigrate adversaries (especially when they are on the waning side of the parabola as the Trump faction appears to be) but I question whether rhetoric and dialogue which separates people from each other benefits anyone except the 'Crats.
I have been for Cruz since the start of the campaign (i.e., before it was just a choice between he and Trump as the anti-establishment candidates) but I have never hated Trump nor considered him as bad or worse than Hill-O-Lies. In that I still think you and others who think like you are mistaken.
We may never know who was right because at this point is seems far more likely that Hill-O-lies will be president than that Trump ever will.
But I really think that those of us who believe in conservatives principles (which I do, regardless of what others may believe of me) need to start thinking more in terms of how to unify the party and bring Trump supporters back into the conservative movement than to condemn them with harsh vituperative, disrespectful rhetoric.
It's largely unproductive to question the motives or intentions of others because after all is said and done, only God knows the truth for certain. The rest of us must use evidence to make educated guesses at best. Trump's actions, policy-platforms, history and affiliations are fair game but focusing criticism on his supposed motives or basic character is unproductive and sort of unfair.
Believe what you like about Trump but please don't tell those who disagree with you that they are not sincere conservatives because they disagree with your appraisal and don't entirely share your POV. Unless you can read minds, all of your beliefs about Trump's true motives and intentions are speculations albeit with some evidence to back them up - but speculations nonetheless.
I treat Trump supporters as adversaries to be swayed not derided, but many treat them as enemies. There is a very dramatic difference.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 30, 2016, 07:40:47 AM
"I believe with every fiber of my being," So there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that you are mistaken !?! No chance whatsoever that Trump is just an agrarian populist who is trying to steer a middle course (a center-right) by using mostly emotionally-powerful but substantively vague (even contradictory) rhetoric? Those are some pretty strong fibers! :smile:
I realize that this whole campaign has been shot through with more emotion than I've seen in a campaign, but I really think discussion of the central issues are being drowned out by vituperation (blaming people for being morally or intellectually inferior) and harsh invective much of the time.
For me, Trump supporters are not the enemy, they are potential allies with whom we other conservatives may disagree strongly - nothing more or less than that. It's always fun to denigrate adversaries (especially when they are on the waning side of the parabola as the Trump faction appears to be) but I question whether rhetoric and dialogue which separates people from each other benefits anyone except the 'Crats.
I have been for Cruz since the start of the campaign (i.e., before it was just a choice between he and Trump as the anti-establishment candidates) but I have never hated Trump nor considered him as bad or worse than Hill-O-Lies. In that I still think you and others who think like you are mistaken.
We may never know who was right because at this point is seems far more likely that Hill-O-lies will be president than that Trump ever will.
But I really think that those of us who believe in conservatives principles (which I do, regardless of what others may believe of me) need to start thinking more in terms of how to unify the party and bring Trump supporters back into the conservative movement than to condemn them with harsh vituperative, disrespectful rhetoric.
It's largely unproductive to question the motives or intentions of others because after all is said and done, only God knows the truth for certain. The rest of us must use evidence to make educated guesses at best. Trump's actions, policy-platforms, history and affiliations are fair game but focusing criticism on his supposed motives or basic character is unproductive and sort of unfair.
Believe what you like about Trump but please don't tell those who disagree with you that they are not sincere conservatives because they disagree with your appraisal and don't entirely share your POV. Unless you can read minds, all of your beliefs about Trump's true motives and intentions are speculations albeit with some evidence to back them up - but speculations nonetheless.
I treat Trump supporters as adversaries to be swayed not derided, but many treat them as enemies. There is a very dramatic difference.
Maybe you misunderstood me, but when I say I believe something as strongly as I believe trump is a disaster for the USA then it is because I have looked at the issue from all sides and reached a conclusions and I am consistent on that conclusion, by golly, Trump is the least consistent on anything, trump is not a Conservative that is a proven fact. Trump stated he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and still have as much support, the died in the wool trump supporters prove that to be true. I don't need to coddle and cuddle trump supports, I believe they are wrong in their support for a man who would do far more damage to this country than Hillary could ever dream of. We have caught glimpses of how trump would run this country and people around him and I will fight to the bitter end to keep that man and his narcissistic beliefs away from the most powerful office in the world. It is that important to me, if I step on someone's toes or hurt someone's poor widdle feelings in the process well to dang bad.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 30, 2016, 04:53:53 AM
Some interesting thoughts to consider. I note however a high level of invective with very emotion-laden terminology which tends to shut down dialogue on both sides of the Trump issue.
Who cares what stupid people think?
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Vituperation (the fixing of condemnation/character indictments on others due to substantive disagreements) is reassuring because it helps to eliminate self-doubt but weakens the substantive argument because it places the discussion back on emotions, not facts.
You're chasing your tail. Trump requires emotion to have a following. The higher level of thought, the lower his numbers are. You can't be a thinker AND a Trump supporter. The two properties are diametrically opposed.
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For the pro-Trump side, they take Trump's good character and intentions in pursuing a conservative agenda in most regards as fact (though largely unable to defend the view rationally), while the anti-Trump side takes the opposite view but is (at least for me) almost equally unable to make a compelling rational case (though there are admittedly some alarming facts and logical conjecture to consider in favor of that view).
You saying conservatives can't make a case against Trump is evidence to our original point: you ignore reality and continue to surf a wave of delusion.
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For me the argument against voting for Trump if it comes to a choice between him or any 'Crat reduces to whether or not one is willing to accept the possibility that an agrarian populist like Trump will do less damage to the nation as president than self-acknowledged radical socialists.
..more evidence to your (and any Trumper's) inability to think. An 'R' next to your name doesn't just make you a conservative, and automatically better than Hillary. Adhering to the same mentality of a loyal fan of a sports team that has lost for decades isn't what a normal person would call an "informed vote".
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For me condemning Trump absolutely is still a bridge too far to cross in large part because it accepts an absolutist, doctrinaire POV - as if Trump has been arrested, tried and convicted instead of only strongly suspected of crimes against conservative ideology which disqualify him from consideration as a viable alternative to an avowed leftist lunatic as president.
This snippet drips of a strong desire to reach and reach. I've seen more rigidity in a game of Twister.
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Cutting through all of the emotion on both sides and trying to place the debate on substantive, factual ground rather than on speculative conjecture is proving far more difficult than I ever anticipated it would.
Yes. Trump is such a rational subject worthy of pragmatic, unemotional perspective.
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Mercifully Trump seems to be well on the way to making all of this discussion of his moral / ideological fitness moot by self-destructing through missteps of his campaign. This latest problem with his campaign manager may well prove to be his Waterloo. Justified or not, the incident is showing signs of delivering a death-blow to the Trump campaign by eliminating any chance he might have had to make up strong negatives with key demographics like women and younger voters. Selah.
His base is unaffected. Again, it's an advantage one has when appealing to stupid people.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 30, 2016, 07:40:47 AM
"I believe with every fiber of my being," So there is absolutely no chance whatsoever that you are mistaken !?! No chance whatsoever that Trump is just an agrarian populist who is trying to steer a middle course (a center-right) by using mostly emotionally-powerful but substantively vague (even contradictory) rhetoric? Those are some pretty strong fibers! :smile:
No. Us normal people can identify a mentally deranged maniac who happened to have been left millions bucks by Daddy. Trump doesn't know if he's coming or going.
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I realize that this whole campaign has been shot through with more emotion than I've seen in a campaign, but I really think discussion of the central issues are being drowned out by vituperation (blaming people for being morally or intellectually inferior) and harsh invective much of the time.
I appreciate the way liberals try to hang onto the word "centrist", but we don't fall for it. A liberal is a liberal, plain and simple.
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For me, Trump supporters are not the enemy, they are potential allies with whom we other conservatives may disagree strongly - nothing more or less than that. It's always fun to denigrate adversaries (especially when they are on the waning side of the parabola as the Trump faction appears to be) but I question whether rhetoric and dialogue which separates people from each other benefits anyone except the 'Crats.
I understand you will support someone who happens to have an (R), but that doesn't just make them better than a Democrat. You are either a conservative, or you aren't. It really is that boolean no matter how much you want to believe and fantasize otherwise.
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I have been for Cruz since the start of the campaign
Of course, he has an (R) next to his name. Good enough for you...
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(i.e., before it was just a choice between he and Trump as the anti-establishment candidates) but I have never hated Trump nor considered him as bad or worse than Hill-O-Lies. In that I still think you and others who think like you are mistaken.
No, we are not mistaken. We just don't care about letters next to a name. This isn't a Republican/GOP forum.
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We may never know who was right because at this point is seems far more likely that Hill-O-lies will be president than that Trump ever will.
Trump is the only one Hillary could shred.
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But I really think that those of us who believe in conservatives principles (which I do, regardless of what others may believe of me) need to start thinking more in terms of how to unify the party and bring Trump supporters back into the conservative movement than to condemn them with harsh vituperative, disrespectful rhetoric.
Stupid people need to be identified as stupid. They need to know their place. You can try and play nice with the dregs of society, but that's not what us conservatives care to do.
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It's largely unproductive to question the motives or intentions of others because after all is said and done, only God knows the truth for certain. The rest of us must use evidence to make educated guesses at best. Trump's actions, policy-platforms, history and affiliations are fair game but focusing criticism on his supposed motives or basic character is unproductive and sort of unfair.
Nobody cares about stupid people. Sorry.
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Believe what you like about Trump but please don't tell those who disagree with you that they are not sincere conservatives because they disagree with your appraisal and don't entirely share your POV. Unless you can read minds, all of your beliefs about Trump's true motives and intentions are speculations albeit with some evidence to back them up - but speculations nonetheless.
You are a liberal. Trump is a liberal. That's just reality.
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I treat Trump supporters as adversaries to be swayed not derided, but many treat them as enemies. There is a very dramatic difference.
I treat them well, but that's just because I don't want them to spit in my coffee.
Quote from: taxed on March 30, 2016, 08:45:55 AM
No. Us normal people can identify a mentally deranged maniac who happened to have been left millions bucks by Daddy. Trump doesn't know if he's coming or going.
I appreciate the way liberals try to hang onto the word "centrist", but we don't fall for it. A liberal is a liberal, plain and simple.
I understand you will support someone who happens to have an (R), but that doesn't just make them better than a Democrat. You are either a conservative, or you aren't. It really is that boolean no matter how much you want to believe and fantasize otherwise.
Of course, he has an (R) next to his name. Good enough for you...
No, we are not mistaken. We just don't care about letters next to a name. This isn't a Republican/GOP forum.
Trump is the only one Hillary could shred.
Stupid people need to be identified as stupid. They need to know their place. You can try and play nice with the dregs of society, but that's not what us conservatives care to do.
Nobody cares about stupid people. Sorry.
You are a liberal. Trump is a liberal. That's just reality.
I treat them well, but that's just because I don't want them to spit in my coffee.
I love how you dissect responses word for word, I couldn't agree more with what you said... I don't have the patients for that :ttoung:
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 30, 2016, 09:07:20 AM
I love how you dissect responses word for word, I couldn't agree more with what you said... I don't have the patients for that :ttoung:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I usually don't anymore, but this one is just too easy to pass up.
Keeping with the original topic of this thread...
New Wisconsin poll out today from Marquette.
Poll taken March 24th-28th
QuoteTed Cruz - 39.6%
Donald Trump - 30.4%
John Kasich - 21.4%
Undecided - 7.7%
Other/Refused To Answer - 0.9%
I didnt notice it saying any percentage of a margin of error or any amount of voters that were polled.
Quote from: mrconservative on March 30, 2016, 10:01:51 AM
Keeping with the original topic of this thread...
New Wisconsin poll out today from Marquette.
Poll taken March 24th-28th
I didnt notice it saying any percentage of a margin of error or any amount of voters that were polled.
Link?
I did find this one though.
Marquette Cruz 40, Trump 30, Kasich 21 Cruz +10
Quote from: Solar on March 30, 2016, 10:12:15 AM
Link?
I did find this one though.
Marquette Cruz 40, Trump 30, Kasich 21 Cruz +10
I had orginally copied from a twitter posting of the poll.
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"I (don't care about stupid people)."
Christ did. God does. And so do I.
"If you agree with someone 80% they are your ally and you should welcome and work with them as such". - Ronald Reagan
Refusing to grant someone like Trump the benefit of the doubt seems to me to be coming from a position of fear and weakness, not strength. Refusing to acknowledge that there is any trace of reasonable doubt about Trump's fitness to be president is troubling to me. It doesn't mean I consider people who believe otherwise to be unworthy of the label of conservative.
See, a Trump-supporter rebellion could wreck any chance the most conservative candidate who can win has to win. And frankly losing the election troubles me far more than the idea that I or someone I support does not measure up because they are not 100% aligned with my preferred policies or ideology.
Sure, there is only so much compromise that one can accept, we just seem to differ on where that threshold lies. But if you want to take away my conservative label, molon labe.
That is fairly spoken and if I may add, VERY well written! Thank you for the clarification. I detest Trump as much as you do in many regards but I don't feel the same about his followers. On the whole I think that their hearts are in the right place but not their heads.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 30, 2016, 11:05:08 AM
That is fairly spoken and if I may add, VERY well written! Thank you for the clarification. I detest Trump as much as you do in many regards but I don't feel the same about his followers. On the whole I think that their hearts are in the right place but not their heads.
Your way of think is why we have b o for the last 7+ year!!! How do you like that HOPE and CHANGE??
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 30, 2016, 11:05:08 AM
That is fairly spoken and if I may add, VERY well written! Thank you for the clarification. I detest Trump as much as you do in many regards but I don't feel the same about his followers. On the whole I think that their hearts are in the right place but not their heads.
It's time to learn how the quote function works, and use it.
I have no idea who you're responding to, and neither does our readership.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 30, 2016, 11:05:08 AM
That is fairly spoken and if I may add, VERY well written! Thank you for the clarification. I detest Trump as much as you do in many regards but I don't feel the same about his followers. On the whole I think that their hearts are in the right place but not their heads.
Bull... Like I said, I wont coddle or cuddle the trumpers, they deserve to be ridiculed for being so stupid.
Reminds me of all those voters who bought into the whole hope and change crap.
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 30, 2016, 04:25:04 PM
Bull... Like I said, I wont coddle or cuddle the trumpers, they deserve to be ridiculed for being so stupid.
Reminds me of all those voters who bought into the whole hope and change crap.
Yes, opaque and hard-to-decipher as usual! :biggrin:
You see this one? Supposedly an unposed photo. All I did was identify its source.
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To the persons of the female persuasion who in any way can explain how this is
NOT a cult thing going on, please explain this to me in my dotage.
Quote from: walkstall on March 30, 2016, 12:01:31 PM
Your way of think is why we have b o for the last 7+ year!!! How do you like that HOPE and CHANGE??
Trump's
all for America, don'tcha know!
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Quote from: quiller on March 30, 2016, 04:44:04 PM
Yes, opaque and hard-to-decipher as usual! :biggrin:
You see this one? Supposedly an unposed photo. All I did was identify its source.
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To the persons of the female persuasion who in any way can explain how this is NOT a cult thing going on, please explain this to me in my dotage.
Oh for cripes sake, can people just get real? LOL... Drives me crazy, stinking obamabots found a new messiah ...
On another topic if I may...
Am I the only women posting here?? :scared:
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 30, 2016, 04:55:29 PM
Oh for cripes sake, can people just get real? LOL... Drives me crazy, stinking obamabots found a new messiah ...
On another topic if I may...
Am I the only women posting here?? :scared:
Jaz is in and out here and there are other ladies present whom my debilitated memory has utterly failed me here to name. There are, however, Trump supporters.
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 30, 2016, 04:55:29 PM
Oh for cripes sake, can people just get real? LOL... Drives me crazy, stinking obamabots found a new messiah ...
On another topic if I may...
Am I the only women posting here?? :scared:
No, your not alone here. :smile:
Quote from: Dori on March 30, 2016, 05:09:11 PM
No, your not alone here. :smile:
YAY.. sorry how could I not see you Dori!! :biggrin:
Quote from: Dori on March 30, 2016, 05:09:11 PM
No, your not alone here. :smile:
My apologies. It was my turn in the brainfart barrel.
Quote from: Solar on March 30, 2016, 12:12:14 PM
It's time to learn how the quote function works, and use it.
I have no idea who you're responding to, and neither does our readership.
O.K. I'm used to a threaded format - It's been awhile since I did the flat format. I try to eliminate repetition. 'Have to ponder this.
FYI the above response in the previous post was to American Mom. Sorry for confusion.
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 30, 2016, 04:25:04 PM
Bull... Like I said, I wont coddle or cuddle the trumpers, they deserve to be ridiculed for being so stupid.
Reminds me of all those voters who bought into the whole hope and change crap.
Well, in the Art of War, it says that the supreme strategic victory is not to annihilate an adversary, but to get them to willingly fight with you against another.
Diplomacy is not always an exercise in cowardice.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 30, 2016, 07:58:28 PM
Well, in the Art of War, it says that the supreme strategic victory is not to annihilate an adversary, but to get them to willingly fight with you against another.
Diplomacy is not always an exercise in cowardice.
Sun Tzu would never advocate ones assured demise by siding with mine enemies ally.
Think about that, and know what Sun Tzu was referencing.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 30, 2016, 10:46:25 AM
"I (don't care about stupid people)."
Christ did. God does. And so do I.
I know. You support Trump.
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"If you agree with someone 80% they are your ally and you should welcome and work with them as such". - Ronald Reagan
Your faulty assumption is Trump agrees with me and other conservatives 80%. He's not even close, and has exhibited zero evidence of sanity. He was a spoiled brat who was left a lot of money and a political entrenchment in New York real estate. Sorry, I need a thinker and a conservative. No wonder Hillary is chomping at the bit to go at him.
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Refusing to grant someone like Trump the benefit of the doubt seems to me to be coming from a position of fear and weakness, not strength. Refusing to acknowledge that there is any trace of reasonable doubt about Trump's fitness to be president is troubling to me. It doesn't mean I consider people who believe otherwise to be unworthy of the label of conservative.
There isn't any doubt -- he is an idiot. Because you, like say, a Trump University victim, can't see through his fake persona of success, you are as gullible as a 19 year old hope-and-changer back in 2008 wearing a Che Guevara shirt while robo-posting on Democratic Underground at Starbucks. Just because you, like a Hussein supporter, don't understand how Trump is full of crap, doesn't mean WE don't understand conservatism while you wear your made-in-China "Make America Great Again" hat while telling us how Cruz is your first choice.
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See, a Trump-supporter rebellion could wreck any chance the most conservative candidate who can win has to win. And frankly losing the election troubles me far more than the idea that I or someone I support does not measure up because they are not 100% aligned with my preferred policies or ideology.
You would win the election in that scenario, since Hillary is pretty equal to Trump.
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Sure, there is only so much compromise that one can accept, we just seem to differ on where that threshold lies. But if you want to take away my conservative label, molon labe.
I took it, but it turns out to be a fake. It had "Made In China" on the back. Next time, don't try to procure one on Canal Street where the guy sells the fake Rolexes. Being conservative is way of life -- not a sports game where you support your liberal candidate simply because he has an (R) next to his name.
Quote from: taxed on March 31, 2016, 02:00:05 AM
I know. You support Trump.
Your faulty assumption is Trump agrees with me and other conservatives 80%. He's not even close, and has exhibited zero evidence of sanity. He was a spoiled brat who was left a lot of money and a political entrenchment in New York real estate. Sorry, I need a thinker and a conservative. No wonder Hillary is chomping at the bit to go at him.
There isn't any doubt -- he is an idiot. Because you, like say, a Trump University victim, can't see through his fake persona of success, you are as gullible as a 19 year old hope-and-changer back in 2008 wearing a Che Guevara shirt while robo-posting on Democratic Underground at Starbucks. Just because you, like a Hussein supporter, don't understand how Trump is full of crap, doesn't mean WE don't understand conservatism while you wear your made-in-China "Make America Great Again" hat while telling us how Cruz is your first choice.
You would win the election in that scenario, since Hillary is pretty equal to Trump.
I took it, but it turns out to be a fake. It had "Made In China" on the back. Next time, don't try to procure one on Canal Street where the guy sells the fake Rolexes. Being conservative is way of life -- not a sports game where you support your liberal candidate simply because he has an (R) next to his name.
I find that in response to that I must say either a great deal or nothing at all. I elect the latter save only the addition that although I admire the passion of this forum, I question the necessity or wisdom of drawing little or no distinction between an adversary and an enemy.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 31, 2016, 05:34:57 AM
( . . . ) although I admire the passion of this forum, I question the necessity or wisdom of drawing little or no distinction between an adversary and an enemy.
Trump is so far over his head and so badly-equipped emotionally to take criticism from ANYONE that it becomes more a case of voters fearing tyranny over idiots applauding servitude.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 31, 2016, 05:34:57 AM
I find that in response to that I must say either a great deal or nothing at all. I elect the latter save only the addition that although I admire the passion of this forum, I question the necessity or wisdom of drawing little or no distinction between an adversary and an enemy.
So in your mind, the differentiation between Cruz and Trump is minimal at best, and an (R) repairs anything Trump says as a lib?
Is that what you're saying, that we should overlook Trump's actual words as a NY Lib because he has an (R) next to his name?
Taxed is Right, you really haven't a clue as to what a Conservative truly is.
Here's a hint. It means never selling out your principals, never, not once, and that's just scratching the surface for starters.
Now ask yourself, what issue has Trump flip flopped on, and compare that to Cruz's record.
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 31, 2016, 05:34:57 AM
I find that in response to that I must say either a great deal or nothing at all. I elect the latter save only the addition that although I admire the passion of this forum, I question the necessity or wisdom of drawing little or no distinction between an adversary and an enemy.
Would you vote for Hillary? Serious question.
Quote from: taxed on March 31, 2016, 08:40:12 AM
Would you vote for Hillary? Serious question.
Running as a republican or democrat? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 31, 2016, 05:22:03 PM
Running as a republican or democrat? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Running somewhere else, or here?
Quote from: taxed on March 31, 2016, 08:40:12 AM
Would you vote for Hillary? Serious question.
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Nyet. Nope. Uhn-uh. Negatory. No how no way in this life, the next or the one beyond that.
In the fall of 2013, the freshman Texas senator rolled the dice so boldly that the biggest congressional Texan of all time, Lyndon Johnson, would have been agog. Sen. Cruz, with the whole Republican Party raging at him, pulled off a shutdown of the U.S. government. He publicized the shutdown with a 21-hour speech on the Senate floor, attacking other Republicans for not joining his Pickett's charge against Obama Care, then a federal law.
Ted Cruz knew amid this GOP chaos that he was going to run for president in 2016. He had the game plan in hand.
Quote from: Gah on March 31, 2016, 09:14:21 PM
In the fall of 2013, the freshman Texas senator rolled the dice so boldly that the biggest congressional Texan of all time, Lyndon Johnson, would have been agog. Sen. Cruz, with the whole Republican Party raging at him, pulled off a shutdown of the U.S. government. He publicized the shutdown with a 21-hour speech on the Senate floor, attacking other Republicans for not joining his Pickett's charge against Obama Care, then a federal law.
Ted Cruz knew amid this GOP chaos that he was going to run for president in 2016. He had the game plan in hand.
Post links to what you steal from others. This is your second offense.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-is-killing-cruz-1456359931
Quote from: AmericanMom on March 31, 2016, 05:22:03 PM
Running as a republican or democrat? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Using his arguments to support Trump, it shouldn't matter for him...
Quote from: taxed on March 31, 2016, 08:40:12 AM
Would you vote for Hillary? Serious question.
Yes. If she agreed to commit suicide as her first act of office, had a bomb like the one John Creasy shoved up the gangster's a ss in Man On Fire with a timer set to go off so she couldn't back out, and chose Ted Cruz as her VP. Then and only then.
Otherwise I'd rather jump headfirst into a wood chipper amped up on ketamine and amphetamines so that I felt every single nanosecond of the pain. Then and only then.
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Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on April 01, 2016, 07:17:25 PM
Yes. If she agreed to commit suicide as her first act of office, had a bomb like the one John Creasy shoved up the gangster's a ss in Man On Fire with a timer set to go off so she couldn't back out, and chose Ted Cruz as her VP. Then and only then.
Otherwise I'd rather jump headfirst into a wood chipper amped up on ketamine and amphetamines so that I felt every single nanosecond of the pain. Then and only then.
Just pretend she has an (R) next to her name. Wouldn't that help?
Quote from: taxed on April 02, 2016, 07:44:02 AM
Just pretend she has an (R) next to her name. Wouldn't that help?
Look how well it worked for Trump?
More evidence Trump's run is on life support.
You can't win an election, when you're this despised.
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Quote from: Solar on April 02, 2016, 11:37:16 AM
More evidence Trump's run is on life support.
You can't win an election, when you're this despised.
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Don't tell Trump he thinks he is winning. :lol:
Quote from: walkstall on April 02, 2016, 12:20:22 PM
Don't tell Trump he thinks he is winning. :lol:
I think Trump may be preparing his out. He keeps referring to being treated fairly. This is a very subjective term and gives him much leeway. Let's face it, GOPe is not going to do him any favors and we can believe there is much behind the scenes concerning delegates in a contested convention. I can see him blaming GOPe and dropping out. It will outrage his followers and they might sit out also. GOPe does not care.
Quote from: walkstall on April 02, 2016, 12:20:22 PM
Don't tell Trump he thinks he is winning. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Trump SOP:
1 - Lose.
2 - Declare victory.
Quote from: walkstall on April 02, 2016, 12:20:22 PM
Don't tell Trump he thinks he is winning. :lol:
:lol:
Trump knows the truth, but his supporters aren't that smart, and they'll never believe it even when he's out.
Like Trump, they too will blame it on something else rather than face the reality that Trump is despised on the Right.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 02, 2016, 12:44:54 PM
I think Trump may be preparing his out. He keeps referring to being treated fairly. This is a very subjective term and gives him much leeway. Let's face it, GOPe is not going to do him any favors and we can believe there is much behind the scenes concerning delegates in a contested convention. I can see him blaming GOPe and dropping out. It will outrage his followers and they might sit out also. GOPe does not care.
Trump Is Talking Third Party Again. So he can not have his way after the private meeting.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 02, 2016, 12:44:54 PM
I think Trump may be preparing his out. He keeps referring to being treated fairly. This is a very subjective term and gives him much leeway. Let's face it, GOPe is not going to do him any favors and we can believe there is much behind the scenes concerning delegates in a contested convention. I can see him blaming GOPe and dropping out. It will outrage his followers and they might sit out also. GOPe does not care.
I have three words for the NY Lib.
"Life ain't fair" get over yourself Trump, you whiny little bitch!
Quote from: Solar on April 02, 2016, 11:37:16 AM
More evidence Trump's run is on life support.
You can't win an election, when you're this despised.
Really? Why weren't
favorable/unfavorable polls constantly hammered at us in 2012? And the closest thing we got to them in 2008 was when McCain suspended his campaign to vote for the Troubled Assets Relief bailout... if Repubs thought that was a good move or not.
Not to mention
Gallup got spanked in 2012 for missing their projections by 8-to-10 points... allegedly. I thought they announced in 2013 they were going to quit doing Presidential-polling.
People will say anything on the phone if they think the caller wants to hear it.
Favorable/unfavorable... Why not just ask if you 'hate' or 'like' a candidate? What's with the multi-syllable parlor-patter?
Quote from: kit saginaw on April 02, 2016, 06:41:17 PM
Really? Why weren't favorable/unfavorable polls constantly hammered at us in 2012? And the closest thing we got to them in 2008 was when McCain suspended his campaign to vote for the Troubled Assets Relief bailout... if Repubs thought that was a good move or not.
Not to mention Gallup got spanked in 2012 for missing their projections by 8-to-10 points... allegedly. I thought they announced in 2013 they were going to quit doing Presidential-polling.
People will say anything on the phone if they think the caller wants to hear it.
Favorable/unfavorable... Why not just ask if you 'hate' or 'like' a candidate? What's with the multi-syllable parlor-patter?
It was Rasmussen. And what, suddenly polls no longer matter?
One has to wonder just how truly despised Trump is, considering 90% of the polls have been weighted in his favor thus far.
If I were to venture an educated guess, I'd say his actual negatives live around 83%.
I was ok with Cruz until the abortion comment now im happy trump is beating him I hope he continues I always thought Cruz woils run like a dog away from the fau-conservative platform he has claimed to have. If Scalia wouldn't have died I wouldn't even consider voting this year.
Quote from: justme21 on April 02, 2016, 09:17:57 PM
I was ok with Cruz until the abortion comment now im happy trump is beating him I hope he continues I always thought Cruz woils run like a dog away from the fau-conservative platform he has claimed to have. If Scalia wouldn't have died I wouldn't even consider voting this year.4
From all your posts , I have no idea what you believe at this point......
Quote from: Sauce on April 02, 2016, 09:28:48 PM
From all your posts , I have no idea what you believe at this point......
On abortion?
I am very prolife I don't believe in an exception I won't vote for anyone with an exception for rape. I will vote for someone who has an exception for life and I was considering Cruz in desperation sorta trump not seriously. My beliefs are very similar to the country malta's policies.
The candidates I wanted to vote for originally were scott walker and rand paul. I ended up voting for Marco Rubio because they dropped out.
Malta's a great description of how I feel about abortion. I think though rape abortions should be prosecuted as well. The example of the lady with cancer I think should be left alone though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Malta
Quote from: justme21 on April 02, 2016, 09:45:06 PM
On abortion?
I am very prolife I don't believe in an exception I won't vote for anyone with an exception for rape. I will vote for someone who has an exception for life and I was considering Cruz in desperation sorta trump not seriously. My beliefs are very similar to the country malta's policies.
The candidates I wanted to vote for originally were scott walker and rand paul. I ended up voting for Marco Rubio because they dropped out.
Malta's a great description of how I feel about abortion. I think though rape abortions should be prosecuted as well. The example of the lady with cancer I think should be left alone though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Malta
Your against killing babies, unless the mother was raped?
Quote from: justme21 on April 02, 2016, 09:17:57 PM
I was ok with Cruz until the abortion comment now im happy trump is beating him I hope he continues I always thought Cruz woils run like a dog away from the fau-conservative platform he has claimed to have. If Scalia wouldn't have died I wouldn't even consider voting this year.
What are you prattling on about?
You claim Cruz said something, yet fail to quote him, then claim you're glad Trump's beating him, when in truth, Trump's the one getting murdered for his comment.
And do me a favor, leave abortion out of the conversation, I know it's an odd litmus test for you, but it has absolutely nothing to do with politics, the left politicized the issue of killing babies for profit as a woman's right.
So beyond all that BS, what is your real issue with the only Constitutional Conservative running?
Quote from: taxed on April 03, 2016, 02:36:59 AM
Your against killing babies, unless the mother was raped?
No lol there's no difference with an excuse imo of rape than financial reasons. It's all murder and should be treated so. That's how I see it. I think murder should be illegal in all cases. That's what abortion is imo. I used to like what ted cruz very seldom says that abortion should illegal in all cases except life. That I can vote for but he rarely even says that. That's why I preferred Rubio over him. He's never gotten heat for this issue because he never really mentions this. He only says his stance sometimes in front of prolife groups. I trust him more than trump though to appoint the right judges if he had the chance. But I just don't trust him. He's too slick and untrustworthy. This is why I didn't vote for him. I wanted rand paul or scott walker but neither made it to Nevada. Even though ben carson made it for a long period of time. You'd think rand paul would have been able to stay.
Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2016, 07:19:43 AM
What are you prattling on about?
You claim Cruz said something, yet fail to quote him, then claim you're glad Trump's beating him, when in truth, Trump's the one getting murdered for his comment.
And do me a favor, leave abortion out of the conversation, I know it's an odd litmus test for you, but it has absolutely nothing to do with politics, the left politicized the issue of killing babies for profit as a woman's right.
So beyond all that BS, what is your real issue with the only Constitutional Conservative running?
If you're going by the media then sanders should probably be president the media doesn't win elections if it did trump wouldn't have been here in Iowa he'd have already dropped out. Trump has one way more elections than cruz has and gaining popularity doesn't always win elections. Trump is still up where it counts. So as I said before trump is beating cruz and he almost swept trump out on that other Tuesday even Kasich did better than him.
And about what cruz said like I said I am upset at ted cruz for how he's been on abortion finally he has something to say about abortion and it's antilife as he attacked trump about it. When he should have just shut up. Like last time with marco Rubio he shut up rightfully so. He didn't do the right thing here. I didn't like it and now I'm reconsidering even voting for him if he runs in the general because he basically took a step away from the false conservative platform he was trying to claim.
Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 10:28:08 AM
And about what cruz said like I said I am upset at ted cruz for how he's been on abortion finally he has something to say about abortion and it's antilife as he attacked trump about it. When he should have just shut up. Like last time with marco Rubio he shut up rightfully so. He didn't do the right thing here. I didn't like it and now I'm reconsidering even voting for him if he runs in the general because he basically took a step away from the false conservative platform he was trying to claim.
What EXACTLY concerning Cruz's position on abortion are you so up in arms about?
TELL US CLEARLY WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!
.....and I thought I was unclear and get lost in my own posts :laugh:
So your going from one RINO loser Marco Rubio to another RINO loser Trump.
Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 10:20:45 AM
No lol there's no difference with an excuse imo of rape than financial reasons. It's all murder and should be treated so. That's how I see it. I think murder should be illegal in all cases. That's what abortion is imo. I used to like what ted cruz very seldom says that abortion should illegal in all cases except life. That I can vote for but he rarely even says that. That's why I preferred Rubio over him. He's never gotten heat for this issue because he never really mentions this. He only says his stance sometimes in front of prolife groups. I trust him more than trump though to appoint the right judges if he had the chance. But I just don't trust him. He's too slick and untrustworthy. This is why I didn't vote for him. I wanted rand paul or scott walker but neither made it to Nevada. Even though ben carson made it for a long period of time. You'd think rand paul would have been able to stay.
I have no idea what in the hell you're talking about.
Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 10:28:08 AM
If you're going by the media then sanders should probably be president the media doesn't win elections if it did trump wouldn't have been here in Iowa he'd have already dropped out. Trump has one way more elections than cruz has and gaining popularity doesn't always win elections. Trump is still up where it counts. So as I said before trump is beating cruz and he almost swept trump out on that other Tuesday even Kasich did better than him.
And about what cruz said like I said I am upset at ted cruz for how he's been on abortion finally he has something to say about abortion and it's antilife as he attacked trump about it. When he should have just shut up. Like last time with marco Rubio he shut up rightfully so. He didn't do the right thing here. I didn't like it and now I'm reconsidering even voting for him if he runs in the general because he basically took a step away from the false conservative platform he was trying to claim.
Well that was a total waste of time.
I have no clue as to your point, all I've gotten so far, is you back a NY Lib, hate Cruz for something he said, or didn't say about abortion.
And FWIW, I suggest you go to http://www.tedcruz.org/ and read his stances on every issue, because despite the media hype, Cruz positions are solid and haven't changed.
Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2016, 11:46:38 AM
Well that was a total waste of time.
I have no clue as to your point, all I've gotten so far, is you back a NY Lib, hate Cruz for something he said, or didn't say about abortion.
And FWIW, I suggest you go to http://www.tedcruz.org/ and read his stances on every issue, because despite the media hype, Cruz positions are solid and haven't changed.
justme21 sounds like he jumping around as much a Trump. He is a republican in name only as long as it his way.
Quote from: Sauce on April 03, 2016, 10:41:30 AM
What EXACTLY concerning Cruz's position on abortion are you so up in arms about?
TELL US CLEARLY WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!
.....and I thought I was unclear and get lost in my own posts :laugh:
I don't like that he attacked Donald trump on his abortion statement he should have stayed out of it like last time
Quote from: walkstall on April 03, 2016, 10:56:55 AM
So your going from one RINO loser Marco Rubio to another RINO loser Trump.
I don't like trump I got no clue where you got that from. He supports rape abortions. I don't support that. Btw Marco Rubio was the strongest on abortion by the time the Nevada elections had come. It was a sad choice. I felt more motivated to vote for him though since he did stick to his guns on the issue when asked about it. Ted Cruz never talks about abortion so to me he's not conservative. He talks about stuff I don't give a rat's butt about. He doesn't even go into detail about other social conservative issues. I don't like him. But I would trust him to do right by the judges. For that I prefer him over trump especially since he never said that rape abortion should be legal. But I still don't like him and I don't like what he said last week. I feel like he's taking a step away from the conservative base he's claiming. Which I never felt he could really be trusted to begin with.
Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 03:37:29 PM
I don't like that he attacked Donald trump on his abortion statement he should have stayed out of it like last time
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Why the hell not? They are both running for office of president of the U.S.
Lets see we can only attacked Cruz's positions right? :lol:
Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2016, 11:46:38 AM
Well that was a total waste of time.
I have no clue as to your point, all I've gotten so far, is you back a NY Lib, hate Cruz for something he said, or didn't say about abortion.
And FWIW, I suggest you go to http://www.tedcruz.org/ and read his stances on every issue, because despite the media hype, Cruz positions are solid and haven't changed.
I don't support trump. I think trump though is way more trustworthy than cruz. But trump is pro abortion. That's how I see it. So I can't really vote for him so is Kasich. Trump actually said partial birth abortion should be legal in the case of rape in 2011. So I don't like his stances on abortion either. But I think trump is honest. And I think he would be tough on criminals including illegal aliens and I think he could take cafre of that problem. I think he'll try to do what he says he'll do. I don't know or really think that with ted cruz. Ted cruz is and was weak on illegal aliens they got him on tape saying he really wished that bill would go through that the gain of 8 created. He says stuff about the families. But doesn't realize there are American families that suffer with illegal immigration. And I don't know about his abortion stance. Sure he doesn't include rape abortion exceptions. But he doesn't mention this a lot I don't know why. And to an extent I feel maybe it's not exactly true for him maybe he really doesn't care. He only really talks about planned parenthood. Of which I don't really care about the planned parenthood I've lived around don't even do abortions. Abortions in my area are done by the women's medical center a-z and a few others. Not pp. If he could talk about he is prolife and not attack someone for talking against abortion. I would feel a lot better about him. I still would think he's not trustworthy though. Which is what my problem with him is. The policies he says are good who knows what's true and what he'll do and what he won't do. I tried to find anything he's sponsored that would indicate being prolife but I haven't found it. Give me a link. I'd love to see it.
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Why the hell not? They are both running for office of president of the U.S.
Lets see we can only attacked Cruz's positions right? :lol:
Cruz didn't attack Marco Rubio when everyone was going after him on his stances on abortion. I think he should have done the same here. I already am iffy about ted cruz on his social issues he just compounded it with this.
I just did in two posts.... I don't like trump's beliefs on abortion or marriage actually. So technically he's kind of like Obama was in his first campaign lol... There are some commonalities.
Quote from: walkstall on April 03, 2016, 12:48:02 PM
justme21 sounds like he jumping around as much a Trump. He is a republican in name only as long as it his way.
I actually am a libertarian. I just signed up as a republican to vote in the primaries. But normally not a republican.
And I don't support Trump I can't really vote for him anymore than I can vote for Kasich. But I don't trust Cruz either.
Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 04:04:42 PM
I actually am a libertarian. I just signed up as a republican to vote in the primaries. But normally not a republican.
And I don't support Trump I can't really vote for him anymore than I can vote for Kasich. But I don't trust Cruz either.
So your a liar just like Trump. There was/is a lot of crossovers of non republican.
Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 03:56:24 PM
I don't support trump. I think trump though is way more trustworthy than cruz. But trump is pro abortion. That's how I see it. So I can't really vote for him so is Kasich. Trump actually said partial birth abortion should be legal in the case of rape in 2011. So I don't like his stances on abortion either.
yOU'RE COMING OFF AS A ONE ISSUE VOTER AND THAT'S SAD.
QuoteBut I think trump is honest. And I think he would be tough on criminals including illegal aliens and I think he could take cafre of that problem. I think he'll try to do what he says he'll do. I don't know or really think that with ted cruz. Ted cruz is and was weak on illegal aliens they got him on tape saying he really wished that bill would go through that the gain of 8 created. He says stuff about the families. But doesn't realize there are American families that suffer with illegal immigration. And I don't know about his abortion stance. Sure he doesn't include rape abortion exceptions. But he doesn't mention this a lot I don't know why. And to an extent I feel maybe it's not exactly true for him maybe he really doesn't care. He only really talks about planned parenthood. Of which I don't really care about the planned parenthood I've lived around don't even do abortions. Abortions in my area are done by the women's medical center a-z and a few others. Not pp. If he could talk about he is prolife and not attack someone for talking against abortion. I would feel a lot better about him. I still would think he's not trustworthy though. Which is what my problem with him is.
Trump has flip flopped on every issue that's come up during the election cycle, in other words, HE'S Lied ON EVERY SUBJECT!!!
QuoteThe policies he says are good who knows what's true and what he'll do and what he won't do. I tried to find anything he's sponsored that would indicate being prolife but I haven't found it. Give me a link. I'd love to see it.
Just ask Texas, he's kept every promise he ran on to get elected, and we already know Trump has reneged on his promise to deport, and the wall is up for negeotiation, as is everything he promised, his own words.
I gave you a link, you do know how to navigate websites, right?
http://www.tedcruz.org/
http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/29/ted-cruz-leads-pro-life-rally-i-have-stood-up-to-fight-to-the-right-to-life-of-unborn-babies/
http://www.texasrighttolife.com/about/1513/Ted-Cruzs-ProLife-stance-bodes-well-for-impending-presidential-race
Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2016, 04:22:50 PM
yOU'RE COMING OFF AS A ONE ISSUE VOTER AND THAT'S SAD.
Trump has flip flopped on every issue that's come up during the election cycle, in other words, HE'S Lied ON EVERY SUBJECT!!!
Just ask Texas, he's kept every promise he ran on to get elected, and we already know Trump has reneged on his promise to deport, and the wall is up for negeotiation, as is everything he promised, his own words.
I gave you a link, you do know how to navigate websites, right?
http://www.tedcruz.org/
http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/29/ted-cruz-leads-pro-life-rally-i-have-stood-up-to-fight-to-the-right-to-life-of-unborn-babies/
http://www.texasrighttolife.com/about/1513/Ted-Cruzs-ProLife-stance-bodes-well-for-impending-presidential-race
Just me, but I don't think he is posting to learn. He is more like a Shill. He is a RINO.
Quote from: walkstall on April 03, 2016, 04:21:58 PM
So your a liar just like Trump. There was/is a lot of crossovers of non republican.
I don't really believe in the terms republican v. democrat as so many republicans are really no different from democrats so that word means nothing to me. Conservative means something it is not connected with republican. You can be conservative and apart of any party. I'm a moderate conservative more than anything though. But I'm more on the right side than the left side.
Here's what cruz has said about abortion. This is what I first saw in December.
•Planned Parenthood sells body parts of unborn human beings. (Sep 2015)
•Allow vote to end Planned Parenthood's funding. (Aug 2015)
•Prosecute Planned Parenthood for criminal violations. (Aug 2015)
•Ban taxpayer funding of abortion & partial birth abortion. (Mar 2015)
•Companies can deny insuring birth control. (Apr 2012)
•Protect innocent human life with partial-birth ban. (Jul 2011)
•Opposes public abortion funding. (Oct 2012)
•Opposes churches providing birth control. (Oct 2012)
all he talks about is silly stuff with planned parenthood he doesn't really talk about being prolife. I had to delve deep to find what he actually says on abortion. That wasn't the case for scott walker rand paul or marco Rubio. They clearly say they are prolife.
Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 04:32:02 PM
I don't really believe in the terms republican v. democrat as so many republicans are really no different from democrats so that word means nothing to me. Conservative means something it is not connected with republican. You can be conservative and apart of any party. I'm a moderate conservative more than anything though. But I'm more on the right side than the left side.
Here's what cruz has said about abortion. This is what I first saw in December.
•Planned Parenthood sells body parts of unborn human beings. (Sep 2015)
•Allow vote to end Planned Parenthood's funding. (Aug 2015)
•Prosecute Planned Parenthood for criminal violations. (Aug 2015)
•Ban taxpayer funding of abortion & partial birth abortion. (Mar 2015)
•Companies can deny insuring birth control. (Apr 2012)
•Protect innocent human life with partial-birth ban. (Jul 2011)
•Opposes public abortion funding. (Oct 2012)
•Opposes churches providing birth control. (Oct 2012)
all he talks about is silly stuff with planned parenthood he doesn't really talk about being prolife. I had to delve deep to find what he actually says on abortion. That wasn't the case for scott walker rand paul or marco Rubio. They clearly say they are prolife.
So what your saying is you want someone who pontificates about how Pro Life they are as apposed to someone who has actually attempted to do something about abortion laws and the biggest funder of abortions.
...hmmm, ok
No trump is more trustworthy on immigration he said he negotiates but he said not on whether tio have a wall or not. The illegal alien issue he's had since the 90's when he was very pro abortion he're's the link. Btw he stuck to his guns on this issue even when everyone thought it was not a popular position I really feel cruz was too cowardly to have this position and doesn't really want this position and then tried to copy him because he saw how it worked for trump he's no different from how Hillary copied sanders.
dating back to the 90's yes...
•I take advantage of H1-B visas; but stop them. (Mar 2016)
•Let the good ones come back in; that's not amnesty. (Feb 2016)
•No apology for banning Muslims from entering America. (Jan 2016)
•It's not fear of terrorist refugees; it's reality. (Jan 2016)
•Need to keep database of Muslim refugees. (Nov 2015)
•We must stop illegal immigration; it hurts us economically. (Nov 2015)
•I don't care how they come in, if they come in legally. (Oct 2015)
•Syrian refugees are a Trojan Horse. (Oct 2015)
•Syrian refugee crisis partly our fault; but don't take any. (Oct 2015)
•We're only country dumb enough for birthright citizenship. (Sep 2015)
•Illegal immigrants populate many criminal gangs. (Sep 2015)
•This is a country where we speak English, not Spanish. (Sep 2015)
•Half of the undocumented residents in America are criminals. (Jun 2015)
•We need strong borders; we need a wall. (Feb 2015)
•Citizenship for illegal immigrants is a GOP suicide mission. (Mar 2013)
•351,000 illegal aliens are in our prisons; costing $1.1B. (Dec 2011)
•Anchor babies were NEVER the intent of the 14th Amendment. (Dec 2011)
•Invite foreigners graduating from college to stay in US. (Dec 2011)
•Control borders; even legal immigration should be difficult. (Jul 2000)
•Limit new immigration; focus on people already here. (Dec 1999)
•We have no borders; and yes, I am angry. (Jan 2016)
•Ship millions back to Mexico, like Eisenhower did. (Nov 2015)
•Walls on borders work; just ask Israel. (Nov 2015)
•Mexico will pay for wall, but not through tariffs. (Nov 2015)
•I can get Mexico to pay for border wall; politicians can't. (Oct 2015)
•The border wall will be well-managed and built correctly. (Aug 2015)
•We need wall on Mexican border, but ok to have a door in it. (Aug 2015)
•Mexican government is sending criminals across the border. (Aug 2015)
•Building a wall will save money because it stops bad dudes. (Jul 2015)
•OpEd: businesses & Republicans condemn anti-Mexico terms. (Jul 2015)
•Make Mexico pay for wall with severe economics. (Jun 2015)
•Mexico & Latin America send us drugs, crime, and rapists. (Jun 2015)
•Build great wall on southern border; have Mexico pay for it. (Jun 2015)
•Triple-layered fence & Predator drones on Mexican border. (Dec 2011)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
Like I said cruz has done nothing when it comes to life. Scott walker rand paul and marco Rubio did. He has not. And he doesn't talk about being prolife much if at all really.
Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2016, 04:22:50 PM
yOU'RE COMING OFF AS A ONE ISSUE VOTER AND THAT'S SAD.
Trump has flip flopped on every issue that's come up during the election cycle, in other words, HE'S Lied ON EVERY SUBJECT!!!
Just ask Texas, he's kept every promise he ran on to get elected, and we already know Trump has reneged on his promise to deport, and the wall is up for negeotiation, as is everything he promised, his own words.
I gave you a link, you do know how to navigate websites, right?
http://www.tedcruz.org/
http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/29/ted-cruz-leads-pro-life-rally-i-have-stood-up-to-fight-to-the-right-to-life-of-unborn-babies/
http://www.texasrighttolife.com/about/1513/Ted-Cruzs-ProLife-stance-bodes-well-for-impending-presidential-race
And yes abortion is the MOST important issue for me. Because it's murder and it needs to end. We need a good conservative president to appoint the right judge so this can be overturned.
Quote from: Sauce on April 03, 2016, 04:38:44 PM
So what your saying is you want someone who pontificates about how Pro Life they are as apposed to someone who has actually attempted to do something about abortion laws and the biggest funder of abortions.
...hmmm, ok
this is what I want to see. I would like him to say and do something about it
•Abortion is complex issue; we must reduce the number of them. (Aug 2015)
•Barbarians of our age have murdered millions of the unborn. (Aug 2015)
•Ban abortion after 20 weeks. (Apr 2015)
•Consensus that life begins at conception; so no abortion. (May 2014)
•I believe in protecting life but I'm not a chauvinist. (Mar 2013)
•Pro-life, but understands that woman's right is the law. (Jun 2012)
•Expand birth control exemption for faith-based organizations. (Jun 2012)
•Opposed Sotomayor nomination based on her Roe support. (Jun 2012)
•No right to privacy, that resulted in the Roe v. Wade. (Feb 2010)
•Require ultrasounds before performing abortions. (Feb 2010)
•Voted against funding stem cell research. (Apr 2006)
•Opposes both federal abortion funding & judicial activism. (Aug 2010)
•Supports prohibiting human embryonic stem cell research. (Aug 2010)
•Supports giving legal protection to unborn children. (Sep 2010)
•Prohibit federal funding for abortion. (May 2011)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Marco_Rubio.htm
or at least say this
•Fund community health centers instead of Planned Parenthood. (Aug 2015)
•Force a Senate vote on defunding Planned Parenthood. (Jul 2015)
•Stop flow of taxpayer dollars to fund abortions. (Apr 2015)
•Supports "Plan B" morning-after contraception. (Oct 2014)
•Supports religious freedom to deny contraceptive coverage. (Jun 2014)
•Thousands of exceptions follow from maternal health. (May 2013)
•Personhood at conception, including embryonic stem cells. (Apr 2013)
•Coarsening of our culture led to 50 million unborn deaths. (Sep 2012)
•My opponents call me libertarian but I'm pro-life. (Feb 2011)
•Life begins at conception. (Jul 2010)
•Opposes federal abortion funding. (Aug 2010)
•Prohibit federal funding for abortion. (May 2011)
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Rand_Paul.htm
Personhood at conception, including embryonic stem cells
Paul is solidifying his outreach to the religious right by proposing a bill focused on one of his pet issues: granting legal rights and protections to fertilized eggs. Paul has introduced the so-called Life at Conception Act, which would grant "personhood" to fertilized eggs, effectively banning abortion, embryonic stem-cell research, many forms of birth control, and assisted reproductive treatments.
or say this
•I defunded Planned Parenthood in a blue state. (Sep 2015)
•We defunded Planned Parenthood in a blue state. (Sep 2015)
•Use alternatives to protect life of mother; no exceptions. (Aug 2015)
•Ban abortion after 20 weeks at both state & federal level. (Mar 2015)
•Passed pro-life legislation & defunded Planned Parenthood. (Mar 2015)
•Supports Personhood Amendment prohibiting all abortions. (Feb 2015)
•I'm proudly pro-life, but focus on fiscal issues. (Dec 2013)
•Protect life from conception to natural death. (Nov 2010)
•Opposes federal abortion funding. (Aug 2010)
In his 2010 and 2012 races for governor, Walker mostly steered clear of talking about his strong opposition to abortion. Nonetheless, he acted in private and signed legislation in 2013 requiring women seeking abortions to get ultrasounds and doctors performing the procedure to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles.
It's not too hard to say you're prolife if you actually are. These guys left no questions about it. I had to look really hard to find cruz's actual stance so I don't know if I can trust him on it. Also I couldn't find anything he did about it at all. Unlike the other indivudals I could on various sites. I tried to search it again ted cruz seriously hasn't crap to try to save lives... I really am skeptical of his prolife credentials.
Quote from: walkstall on April 03, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
Just me, but I don't think he is posting to learn. He is more like a Shill. He is a RINO.
I don't need to learn how to ignore the fact the kids die everyday from this. That's how I will always vote. I think a rino is someone who doesn't care about the social issues like abortion or illegal immigration
https://youtu.be/4CwVrfydjOI
the video above is him being extremely pro illegal immigration and putting American families under the bus completely.
everything he's said to be tough on the illegals has been recent also
•Bar refugees from terrorist-ridden regions. (Mar 2016)
•Children deported with parents can come back, if citizens. (Feb 2016)
•I led the fight to defeat the Reid-Schumer amnesty bill. (Feb 2016)
•FactCheck: Yes, Bill Clinton deported 12M illegal aliens. (Dec 2015)
•Build a wall instead of massive amnesty plan. (Dec 2015)
•Enforce the law against millions of illegals currently here. (Dec 2015)
•Illegals are an economic calamity for low-wage Americans. (Nov 2015)
•Support Kate's Law: oppose our leaders who won't enforce. (Aug 2015)
•Path to citizenship is profoundly unfair to legal immigrants. (Feb 2015)
•End Obama's illegal amnesty via Congress' checks & balances. (Nov 2014)
•Defund amnesty; and refuse any nominees until rescinded. (Nov 2014)
•No path to citizenship for 1.65 million illegals in Texas. (Oct 2012)
•Give police more power to ask about immigration status. (Jun 2012)
•Boots on the ground, plus a wall. (Apr 2012)
•Triple the size of the Border Patrol. (Mar 2012)
•Strengthen border security and increase enforcement. (Jul 2011)
you see how he contradicts himself and why I feel I can not trust him this is another reason I can't trust him on abortion. Because he doesn't talk about his stance on abortion and he lies about immigration plicies that combination just doesn't sit well with me.
Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 05:25:03 PM
https://youtu.be/4CwVrfydjOI
the video above is him being extremely pro illegal immigration and putting American families under the bus completely.
everything he's said to be tough on the illegals has been recent also
•Bar refugees from terrorist-ridden regions. (Mar 2016)
•Children deported with parents can come back, if citizens. (Feb 2016)
•I led the fight to defeat the Reid-Schumer amnesty bill. (Feb 2016)
•FactCheck: Yes, Bill Clinton deported 12M illegal aliens. (Dec 2015)
•Build a wall instead of massive amnesty plan. (Dec 2015)
•Enforce the law against millions of illegals currently here. (Dec 2015)
•Illegals are an economic calamity for low-wage Americans. (Nov 2015)
•Support Kate's Law: oppose our leaders who won't enforce. (Aug 2015)
•Path to citizenship is profoundly unfair to legal immigrants. (Feb 2015)
•End Obama's illegal amnesty via Congress' checks & balances. (Nov 2014)
•Defund amnesty; and refuse any nominees until rescinded. (Nov 2014)
•No path to citizenship for 1.65 million illegals in Texas. (Oct 2012)
•Give police more power to ask about immigration status. (Jun 2012)
•Boots on the ground, plus a wall. (Apr 2012)
•Triple the size of the Border Patrol. (Mar 2012)
•Strengthen border security and increase enforcement. (Jul 2011)
Ugh, we have been over this a million times and at this point it should be something you understand about the players involved in the Gang of Eight bill...the fact that you where for Rubio makes it even more apparent you are trolling.
...Where is the loud Gong and the big hook?
Justme21 may need to obtain some perspective on this by looking up "doctrinaire" and "nihilism". Part of me thinks that you either not very self aware, or are a leftist plant because your philosophy of voting if applied by a significant number of people with strong opposition to legalized abortion would be bad for the nation because it would encourage them to abstain from voting against the dangerous lunatics Hill-O-Lies or Colonel Sanders and that borders on complete insanity from my POV. That's like having a chance to vote against Vladimir Lenin or Joseph Stalin but turning it down because you don't like the way the competing candidate(s) dress or because they don't like your favorite color. What difference does it make if by abstaining you are helping to put Joseph Stalin or Vladimir Lenin in power and they will make everyone dress in a colorless uniform !?!
To paraphrase in the context of some of the content of your last several posts on this thread - you admit that you are focused on selecting a candidate for president who conforms to a litmus test on a single issue which you call legalized murder, but is actually the issue of tolerating abortion. That makes you doctrinaire because you base action on the basis of rigid conformity to a doctrine only - in this case, that abortion is murder and that a candidate who will not announce that he or she wants to ban abortion is not qualified to be president.
A nihilist is someone who believes that there are no good choices because all philosophies are bogus, and that therefore all choices are bad or worse. So that the best choice that people have is either to deliberately refrain from choosing permanently or by adopting a wait-and-see posture (waiting for Godot). I'm not saying that you are a nihilist so much as doctrinaire but by saying that you would not vote for anyone rather than vote for someone who doesn't meet your litmus test (i.e., you do not believe in the Buckley Rule) makes you more of a nihilist than a conservative.
That is not intended as a criticism but only an observation and an encouragement to own what you are. We are what we are - however some of us are more able to accept the truth about ourselves than others. I hope that you are not a leftist plant because that means you are also going to Hell in addition to being a disgusting cacogenic leftist lunatic.
Quote from: Sauce on April 03, 2016, 05:32:58 PM
Ugh, we have been over this a million times and at this point it should be something you understand about the players involved in the Gang of Eight bill...the fact that you where for Rubio makes it even more apparent you are trolling.
...Where is the loud Gong and the big hook?
I don't care about illegal immigration as much as I do about abortion. Marco Rubio was pro illegal immigration but there are many issues I don't agree with Rubio on I liked his stance on abortion and that's the main issue I vote on... Illegal immigration is the second issue. Along with fixing the death penalty making stricter penalties. My issue with Cruz is that he doesn't seem honest about anything or conservative about anything. He says he's conservative but is he really? And if so what has he actually done that was conservative?
Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on April 03, 2016, 06:53:37 PM
Justme21 may need to obtain some perspective on this by looking up "doctrinaire" and "nihilism". Part of me thinks that you either not very self aware, or are a leftist plant because your philosophy of voting if applied by a significant number of people with strong opposition to legalized abortion would be bad for the nation because it would encourage them to abstain from voting against the dangerous lunatics Hill-O-Lies or Colonel Sanders and that borders on complete insanity from my POV. That's like having a chance to vote against Vladimir Lenin or Joseph Stalin but turning it down because you don't like the way the competing candidate(s) dress or because they don't like your favorite color. What difference does it make if by abstaining you are helping to put Joseph Stalin or Vladimir Lenin in power and they will make everyone dress in a colorless uniform !?!
To paraphrase in the context of some of the content of your last several posts on this thread - you admit that you are focused on selecting a candidate for president who conforms to a litmus test on a single issue which you call legalized murder, but is actually the issue of tolerating abortion. That makes you doctrinaire because you base action on the basis of rigid conformity to a doctrine only - in this case, that abortion is murder and that a candidate who will not announce that he or she wants to ban abortion is not qualified to be president.
A nihilist is someone who believes that there are no good choices because all philosophies are bogus, and that therefore all choices are bad or worse. So that the best choice that people have is either to deliberately refrain from choosing permanently or by adopting a wait-and-see posture (waiting for Godot). I'm not saying that you are a nihilist so much as doctrinaire but by saying that you would not vote for anyone rather than vote for someone who doesn't meet your litmus test (i.e., you do not believe in the Buckley Rule) makes you more of a nihilist than a conservative.
That is not intended as a criticism but only an observation and an encouragement to own what you are. We are what we are - however some of us are more able to accept the truth about ourselves than others. I hope that you are not a leftist plant because that means you are also going to Hell in addition to being a disgusting cacogenic leftist lunatic.
No that sounds republican not conservative. A republican will take a blind eye to the fact that a candidate tolerates murder because they are an R lover. Not a conservative as the candidate doesn't have conservative values therefore can't earn my vote. People who voted for bush instead of gore or Kerry are R lovers true republicans not conservatives. As he had the same beliefs as his opponent. Actually worst Barack Obama did better than him at foreign policies and he's an idiot liberal who's also a bigoted for not supporting marriage equality. And you see what judges bush nominated? Very pro abortion that's what you get when you don't stick to your guns and aren't a conservative simply an R lover. Speaking of Hillary Ted Cruz is a lot like her. I like sanders more than Hillary Clinton. There are few things I like about liberals they can agree on equality in marriage they are for assisted suicide some of the time and they try better with healthcare. Hillary Clinton has been everywhere she seeks to trick the people and wants everyone to think she agrees with them basically. She sucks at even what a liberal is supposed to be good at. Ted Cruz shows he's been everywhere on illegal immigration and abortion even look at him attack trump then before that try to claim he's prolife once in in his whole darn campaign.... These are big issues for me and he shows constantly how he can't be trusted. Look at Iowa he showed how untrustworthy he is. All he believes in is winning that's why I don't think he's legit and a vote for him basically means I'm the fool who fell for it which is why I'm reluctant to vote for him. He's also a lot like Hillary Clinton they both seek to trick the people while trump and sanders tend to be more honest in Iowa it showed obviously.
I'd also say you're likely to the left of me as you seem to be anti choice and for abortion. That's more of republicans who are to the left of conservatives it doesn't go hand in hand.
My ideal candidate would actually be very conservative prolife in all cases pro guns enforcing our laws illegal immigration and putting a wall using deportation when needed big on the death penalty and stiffer criminal penalties and actually fixing the death row system and creating a very small government less taxes and only allowing social programs if affordable. My dream candidate would be very conservative. I care about my conservatives issues actually more than my liberal ones I just do.
Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 09:21:03 PM
No that sounds republican not conservative. A republican will take a blind eye to the fact that a candidate tolerates murder because they are an R lover. Not a conservative as the candidate doesn't have conservative values therefore can't earn my vote. People who voted for bush instead of gore or Kerry are R lovers true republicans not conservatives. As he had the same beliefs as his opponent. Actually worst Barack Obama did better than him at foreign policies and he's an idiot liberal who's also a bigoted for not supporting marriage equality. And you see what judges bush nominated? Very pro abortion that's what you get when you don't stick to your guns and aren't a conservative simply an R lover. Speaking of Hillary Ted Cruz is a lot like her. I like sanders more than Hillary Clinton. There are few things I like about liberals they can agree on equality in marriage they are for assisted suicide some of the time and they try better with healthcare. Hillary Clinton has been everywhere she seeks to trick the people and wants everyone to think she agrees with them basically. She sucks at even what a liberal is supposed to be good at. Ted Cruz shows he's been everywhere on illegal immigration and abortion even look at him attack trump then before that try to claim he's prolife once in in his whole darn campaign.... These are big issues for me and he shows constantly how he can't be trusted. Look at Iowa he showed how untrustworthy he is. All he believes in is winning that's why I don't think he's legit and a vote for him basically means I'm the fool who fell for it which is why I'm reluctant to vote for him. He's also a lot like Hillary Clinton they both seek to trick the people while trump and sanders tend to be more honest in Iowa it showed obviously.
I'd also say you're likely to the left of me as you seem to be anti choice and for abortion. That's more of republicans who are to the left of conservatives it doesn't go hand in hand.
My ideal candidate would actually be very conservative prolife in all cases pro guns enforcing our laws illegal immigration and putting a wall using deportation when needed big on the death penalty and stiffer criminal penalties and actually fixing the death row system and creating a very small government less taxes and only allowing social programs if affordable. My dream candidate would be very conservative. I care about my conservatives issues actually more than my liberal ones I just do.
Can you not accept the fact that Roe Vs Wade is not going to be overturned? As much as we might be opposed to abortion, nothing will be changed. This issue has been an albatross for republicans for 40 years. It has caused an untold number ofunnecessary GOP losses. We should be satisfied with a person who is pro-life and conducts his/her affairs with those principles that carry over to there issues.
Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 04:38:51 PM
No trump is more trustworthy on immigration he said he negotiates but he said not on whether tio have a wall or not. The illegal alien issue he's had since the 90's when he was very pro abortion he're's the link. Btw he stuck to his guns on this issue even when everyone thought it was not a popular position I really feel cruz was too cowardly to have this position and doesn't really want this position and then tried to copy him because he saw how it worked for trump he's no different from how Hillary copied sanders.
dating back to the 90's yes...
•I take advantage of H1-B visas; but stop them. (Mar 2016)
•Let the good ones come back in; that's not amnesty. (Feb 2016)
•No apology for banning Muslims from entering America. (Jan 2016)
•It's not fear of terrorist refugees; it's reality. (Jan 2016)
•Need to keep database of Muslim refugees. (Nov 2015)
•We must stop illegal immigration; it hurts us economically. (Nov 2015)
•I don't care how they come in, if they come in legally. (Oct 2015)
•Syrian refugees are a Trojan Horse. (Oct 2015)
•Syrian refugee crisis partly our fault; but don't take any. (Oct 2015)
•We're only country dumb enough for birthright citizenship. (Sep 2015)
•Illegal immigrants populate many criminal gangs. (Sep 2015)
•This is a country where we speak English, not Spanish. (Sep 2015)
•Half of the undocumented residents in America are criminals. (Jun 2015)
•We need strong borders; we need a wall. (Feb 2015)
•Citizenship for illegal immigrants is a GOP suicide mission. (Mar 2013)
•351,000 illegal aliens are in our prisons; costing $1.1B. (Dec 2011)
•Anchor babies were NEVER the intent of the 14th Amendment. (Dec 2011)
•Invite foreigners graduating from college to stay in US. (Dec 2011)
•Control borders; even legal immigration should be difficult. (Jul 2000)
•Limit new immigration; focus on people already here. (Dec 1999)
•We have no borders; and yes, I am angry. (Jan 2016)
•Ship millions back to Mexico, like Eisenhower did. (Nov 2015)
•Walls on borders work; just ask Israel. (Nov 2015)
•Mexico will pay for wall, but not through tariffs. (Nov 2015)
•I can get Mexico to pay for border wall; politicians can't. (Oct 2015)
•The border wall will be well-managed and built correctly. (Aug 2015)
•We need wall on Mexican border, but ok to have a door in it. (Aug 2015)
•Mexican government is sending criminals across the border. (Aug 2015)
•Building a wall will save money because it stops bad dudes. (Jul 2015)
•OpEd: businesses & Republicans condemn anti-Mexico terms. (Jul 2015)
•Make Mexico pay for wall with severe economics. (Jun 2015)
•Mexico & Latin America send us drugs, crime, and rapists. (Jun 2015)
•Build great wall on southern border; have Mexico pay for it. (Jun 2015)
•Triple-layered fence & Predator drones on Mexican border. (Dec 2011)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
Like I said cruz has done nothing when it comes to life. Scott walker rand paul and marco Rubio did. He has not. And he doesn't talk about being prolife much if at all really.
And yes abortion is the MOST important issue for me. Because it's murder and it needs to end. We need a good conservative president to appoint the right judge so this can be overturned.
And every bit of it is BS rhetoric/lies!!!
What his actual plan entails is an underhanded move called "Touchback Amnesty" where they leave, but are allowed back in, jumping in line ahead of those following the law and playing by thr rules to get legal status.
Quote"If you believe that Donald Trump is opposed to providing legal status to those who came into our country illegally, you probably aren't alone. I'd say that a hell of a lot of his supporters believe the same thing.
But they would be wrong.
Is Trump talking about deporting the illegals that are currently here?
Yes, he is.
But what exactly will Trump do once those people have been deported?
Well, he'll let them back in.
Appearing on the Kelly File last fall, Eric Trump, Donald's son said:
The point isn't just deporting them, it's deporting them and letting them back in legally. He's been so clear about that and I know the liberal media wants to misconstrue it, but its deporting them and letting them back legally.
You got that?
Trump wants you to be clear. It's not just about deporting them. It's about letting them back in.
Trump himself told CNN's Dana Bash back in July of 2015:
I would get people out and then have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal.... A lot of these people are helping us ... and sometimes it's jobs a citizen of the United States doesn't want to do. I want to move 'em out, and we're going to move 'em back in and let them be legal.
http://patriotretort.com/donald-trumps-deportation-plan-touchback-amnesty/
As to the rest of your BS about Cruz, you completely ignored my links, the links that expose you as a Trump shill, or an idiot lib, your choice.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 04, 2016, 04:29:06 AM
Can you not accept the fact that Roe Vs Wade is not going to be overturned? As much as we might be opposed to abortion, nothing will be changed. This issue has been an albatross for republicans for 40 years. It has caused an untold number ofunnecessary GOP losses. We should be satisfied with a person who is pro-life and conducts his/her affairs with those principles that carry over to there issues.
Roe v Wade should be a state issue and the federal system staying out of it. The Supremes usurped 10th Amendment rights.
Quote from: quiller on April 04, 2016, 07:14:08 AM
Roe v Wade should be a state issue and the federal system staying out of it. The Supremes usurped 10th Amendment rights.
No question. However, when the SCOTUS usurped their authority this became a futile issue.
Quote from: quiller on April 04, 2016, 07:14:08 AM
Roe v Wade should be a state issue and the federal system staying out of it. The Supremes usurped 10th Amendment rights.
Don't let the troll divert this topic to abortion, as is apparently his plan.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 04, 2016, 07:25:14 AM
No question. However, when the SCOTUS usurped their authority this became a futile issue.
Only until a future Court chooses to revisit an issue. Prohibition, for one. If anything ruling against slavery was the correct moral call but still usurpation of states' rights. I would agree with the result and deplore how they did it in that latter case. As for Prohibition, it was a voter issue and correctly handled although laughably under-thought.
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 07:38:28 AM
Don't let the troll divert this topic to abortion, as is apparently his plan.
Noted and retained.
Howsomefreakingever here----let me specifically object to this blood-lusting misleading thread title and suggest editorial insertion of
quote marks ( " ) around the word kills.
Screw Homeland Security. Those dimwits wouldn't recognize hyperbole if it bit them and we got enough grief while Hussein's still around, as it is.
Quote from: quiller on April 04, 2016, 07:44:12 AM
Noted and retained.
Howsomefreakingever here----let me specifically object to this blood-lusting misleading thread title and suggest editorial insertion of quote marks ( " ) around the word kills.
Screw Homeland Security. Those dimwits wouldn't recognize hyperbole if it bit them and we got enough grief while Hussein's still around, as it is.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now stop being PC literal. Libs may take offense to it, knowing it's not true, but Cons will revel in the idea of deliberate erratum.
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 07:52:41 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now stop being PC literal. Libs may take offense to it, knowing it's not true, but Cons will revel in the idea of deliberate erratum.
I saw a picture today of Bonnie and Clyde's car and admit I got a bit tetchy there. :cool:
As for PC, just how far do I go here, pointing out BORED federal halfwits are DANGEROUS halfwits, and if the Obama thugs at IRS can get down on conservatives then the DHS maroons can damn sure do so with us over a bogus charge of threatening. Come on, here---DHS hired what was LEFT after the real services had had their pick.
I can think of a whole lot of people who would be relieved if Ted Cruz challenged and successfully fought a .51-calibre musket-duel with Trump. I am fully confident he would never do so. Pistol-WHIP the hairy freak, maybe, but not punch a hole through him. That part all depends on what oozes from Trump's mouth next, or what Katrina Pierson can invent about Cruz's imaginary love-life.
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:biggrin:
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 04, 2016, 04:29:06 AM
Can you not accept the fact that Roe Vs Wade is not going to be overturned? As much as we might be opposed to abortion, nothing will be changed. This issue has been an albatross for republicans for 40 years. It has caused an untold number ofunnecessary GOP losses. We should be satisfied with a person who is pro-life and conducts his/her affairs with those principles that carry over to there issues.
yeah that's not prolife that's a complacent and content liberal. If he isn't going to do anything about abortion he is as good as Hillary maybe worst. All other issues really aren't that important when there's millions dying from this everyday
That kind of sounds xenophobic. Trump is not xenophobic he's against illegal immigration. Trump is the son of an immigrant so therefore he's for immigration he's against legal immigration. I am a firm believer in legal immigration. I think the good immigrants should ONLY be the ones to be granted a path through LEGAL immigration not illegal immigration. Which is what he says he'll do. That he'll let the good ones back in. I am all for that. I am Slovene American myself and we all come from immigrants well all white americans do at least. Which is a large portion of this country. Why should we now try to change that? Just think if America did that when your family come over. You wouldn't even be discussing this.
And like I said cruz is soft on immigration the language he used in the video I posted showed what he really thinks which makes sense his father is only legal on a technicality. You can't do the same action as another and somehow be tough on someone who did the same thing as you did. Do you know how his dad even got over here? It wasn't in any way legal imo. He got amnesty basically later on. And that's why cruz talks about illegal aliens living in the shadows he wants them to get the same benefits his dad got.
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 05:36:17 AM
And every bit of it is BS rhetoric/lies!!!
What his actual plan entails is an underhanded move called "Touchback Amnesty" where they leave, but are allowed back in, jumping in line ahead of those following the law and playing by thr rules to get legal status.
http://patriotretort.com/donald-trumps-deportation-plan-touchback-amnesty/
As to the rest of your BS about Cruz, you completely ignored my links, the links that expose you as a Trump shill, or an idiot lib, your choice.
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 07:38:28 AM
Don't let the troll divert this topic to abortion, as is apparently his plan.
I'm not a troll you're just upset I'm not fooled by any of the candidates. I care about abortion. I'm not trying to argue it's a very big issue it doesn't seem cruz cares so I'm skeptical about him on that.
Seriously it's very obvious that ted cruz doesn't want to be anything but president. What he actually wants to do while president isn't known. Take a look at his speeches. They are so crafted to the point how he pauses and in the south he was preacherlike in how he delivered his speeches. Where is that now? He transforms over and over again. And I don't see a clear wqay to see who he truly is.
I am very critical of ted cruz but I actually like him more than any of the other candidates. Well I'll correct that I like what he is saying on all basis I side with him the most out of any candidate I am very critical of him because of that. Also because idk what ted cruz will be as president while I feel I know more of how Donald trump and john Kasich would be as presidents. I just have issues with that.
To me what it's gotten to is there are three boats. One is terrible the people are basically all but dead and held hostage and will be dead right away before the boat sets for sail. That's Kasich. The second boat is like half the people are hog tied and gagged and will be dead before the boat even sails. That's Trump. Then the third boat is unknown from the surface it looks like a cruise ship however you can see ropes and guns hanging around in the basement. Maybe you'll make across sea most likely you may not. That's Ted Cruz.
None are good issues. All the good boats set sail and you can't get on. You are forced to get on one of the three. They're crappy choices.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 11:06:41 AM
You kind of sound xenophobic. Trump is not xenophobic he's against illegal immigration. Trump is the son of an immigrant so therefore he's for immigration he's against legal immigration. I am a firm believer in legal immigration.
Straw man!!! Where did I say a thing about being afraid of immigrants?
QuoteI think the good immigrants should ONLY be the ones to be granted a path through LEGAL immigration not illegal immigration. Which is what he says he'll do. That he'll let the good ones back in. I am all for that. I am Slovene American myself and we all come from immigrants well all white americans do at least. Which is a large portion of this country. Why should we now try to change that? Just think if America did that when your family come over. You wouldn't even be discussing this.
So now you're backing Trump's Amnesty plan?
And like I said cruz is soft on immigration the language he used in the video I posted showed what he really thinks which makes sense his father is only legal on a technicality. You can't do the same action as another and somehow be tough on someone who did the same thing as you did. Do you know how his dad even got over here? It wasn't in any way legal imo. He got amnesty basically later on. And that's why cruz talks about illegal aliens living in the shadows he wants them to get the same benefits his dad got.
Let me blunt Troll, your posting of that video expose you for the Trumpaloon you truly are.
Only a Trumpaloon would fail to understand what Cruz was doing in his sabotaging of the Bill.
But it's your selective parsing of my posts to avoid exposing your inability for debate, or the fact that you were proven wrong that tells the truth about who and what you are TROLL.
You did by saying his letting the legal immigrants back is amnesty when it's not. It's legal immigration. I'm for legal immigration. Not illegal immigration.
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 11:20:01 AM
Straw man!!! Where did I say a thing about being afraid of immigrants?
So now you're backing Trump's Amnesty plan?
And like I said cruz is soft on immigration the language he used in the video I posted showed what he really thinks which makes sense his father is only legal on a technicality. You can't do the same action as another and somehow be tough on someone who did the same thing as you did. Do you know how his dad even got over here? It wasn't in any way legal imo. He got amnesty basically later on. And that's why cruz talks about illegal aliens living in the shadows he wants them to get the same benefits his dad got.
Let me blunt Troll, your posting of that video expose you for the Trumpaloon you truly are.
Only a Trumpaloon would fail to understand what Cruz was doing in his sabotaging of the Bill.
But it's your selective parsing of my posts to avoid exposing your inability for debate, or the fact that you were proven wrong that tells the truth about who and what you are TROLL.
you seem like trump to me. You have a lot in common with him. As when he doesn't agree with someone he calls people names evwen if he has no evidence of such accusations. I find him immature in that sense. You seem very similar to him so what's your problem with him?
You're not debating. You're name calling not debating. I've already said why I don't like any of the candidates and never voted for them. You seem to not comprehend that.
I explained how I feel about the three candidates. I'll paste it here. Because I feel you didn't read it.
To me what it's gotten to is there are three boats. One is terrible the people are basically all but dead and held hostage and will be dead right away before the boat sets for sail. That's Kasich. The second boat is like half the people are hog tied and gagged and will be dead before the boat even sails. That's Trump. Then the third boat is unknown from the surface it looks like a cruise ship however you can see ropes and guns hanging around in the basement. Maybe you'll make across sea most likely you may not. That's Ted Cruz.
None are good issues. All the good boats set sail and you can't get on. You are forced to get on one of the three. They're crappy choices. All of them. I'm sorry I look beyond the surface.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 11:14:12 AM
I'm not a troll you're just upset I'm not fooled by any of the candidates. I care about abortion. I'm not trying to argue it's a very big issue it doesn't seem cruz cares so I'm skeptical about him on that.
Seriously it's very obvious that ted cruz doesn't want to be anything but president. What he actually wants to do while president isn't known. Take a look at his speeches. They are so crafted to the point how he pauses and in the south he was preacherlike in how he delivered his speeches. Where is that now? He transforms over and over again. And I don't see a clear wqay to see who he truly is.
I am very critical of ted cruz but I actually like him more than any of the other candidates. Well I'll correct that I like what he is saying on all basis I side with him the most out of any candidate I am very critical of him because of that. Also because idk what ted cruz will be as president while I feel I know more of how Donald trump and john Kasich would be as presidents. I just have issues with that.
To me what it's gotten to is there are three boats. One is terrible the people are basically all but dead and held hostage and will be dead right away before the boat sets for sail. That's Kasich. The second boat is like half the people are hog tied and gagged and will be dead before the boat even sails. That's Trump. Then the third boat is unknown from the surface it looks like a cruise ship however you can see ropes and guns hanging around in the basement. Maybe you'll make across sea most likely you may not. That's Ted Cruz.
None are good issues. All the good boats set sail and you can't get on. You are forced to get on one of the three. They're crappy choices.
Cut the crap Lib Troll, you're as transparent as glass.
Cruz, form a Conservative POV is the candidate we've been waiting for since Reagan.
I'd suggest you do more reading than posting, my patience are running out.
I gave you solid links that prove you wrong about Cruz, and you still refuse to read them.
Your time is running out and wasting time posting BS unfounded BS on this forum is frowned upon.
Now if you want to debate. I want to ask you a few things. What is conservative about ted cruz? Name something anything and show what he's done as a senator to show he's conservative? And please don't mention the poison pill bill. Because many people who are liberal don't like citizenship for illegal immigrants. Being conservative would mean wanting the illegals deported and not even granting legal status of which it may appear he once supported. I would like to hear how ted cruz is conservative not start a fight. I actually want to know his appeal. I have other conservative beliefs that I vote on. And I am most interested in him over the 3 candidates left in the race.
Please list
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 11:20:01 AM
Straw man!!! Where did I say a thing about being afraid of immigrants?
So now you're backing Trump's Amnesty plan?
And like I said cruz is soft on immigration the language he used in the video I posted showed what he really thinks which makes sense his father is only legal on a technicality. You can't do the same action as another and somehow be tough on someone who did the same thing as you did. Do you know how his dad even got over here? It wasn't in any way legal imo. He got amnesty basically later on. And that's why cruz talks about illegal aliens living in the shadows he wants them to get the same benefits his dad got.
Let me blunt Troll, your posting of that video expose you for the Trumpaloon you truly are.
Only a Trumpaloon would fail to understand what Cruz was doing in his sabotaging of the Bill.
But it's your selective parsing of my posts to avoid exposing your inability for debate, or the fact that you were proven wrong that tells the truth about who and what you are TROLL.
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Cut the crap Lib Troll, you're as transparent as glass.
Cruz, form a Conservative POV is the candidate we've been waiting for since Reagan.
I'd suggest you do more reading than posting, my patience are running out.
I gave you solid links that prove you wrong about Cruz, and you still refuse to read them.
Your time is running out and wasting time posting BS unfounded BS on this forum is frowned upon.
And my links are stronger than yours. It's on tape a while back. I like to know what people say a long time ago not during election season. They are trying to sell themselves. Now if you could. Explain what issues he is actually conservative on. I'd truly appreciate it. But I think you'll likely fail.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 11:33:21 AM
Now if you want to debate. I want to ask you a few things. What is conservative about ted cruz? Name something anything and show what he's done as a senator to show he's conservative? And please don't mention the poison pill bill. Because many people who are liberal don't like citizenship for illegal immigrants. Being conservative would mean wanting the illegals deported and not even granting legal status of which it may appear he once supported. I would like to hear how ted cruz is conservative not start a fight. I actually want to know his appeal. I have other conservative beliefs that I vote on. And I am most interested in him over the 3 candidates left in the race.
Please list
NO! I have better things to do than educate one lib at a time.
The onus is on you to educate and elucidate yourself on the issues, however, I'll give you a starting place.
https://www.tedcruz.org/issues/
Btw, how old are you? Do you pay attention to the fact that politicians say one thing in election season and do something totally different while they are in office. That's why it's best to look at what they did while they were in office rather than just what they say. I know this and I'm 21. That's because I paid attention when our last republican president was in office. And that's why I'm very skeptical of politicians. As they will tap dance for anyone who can get them elected and then do the exact opposite when in office because in their heart they are as liberal as Hillary.
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 11:38:44 AM
NO! I have better things to do than educate one lib at a time.
The onus is on you to educate and elucidate yourself on the issues, however, I'll give you a starting place.
https://www.tedcruz.org/issues/
I'm way more educated than you as I don't go to ted cruz's website to see what he says about himself. I wouldn't go to Donald trump or john Kasich's website either. Talk about biased information....
Seriously I just can't. It seems you'd rather be blind.
And thanks fgor proving my point. He doesn't stand for anything conservative that you can name. I thought there wasn't.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 11:39:51 AM
Btw, how old are you? Do you pay attention to the fact that politicians say on thing in election season and do something totally different while they are in office. That's why it's best to look at what they did while they were in office rather than just what they say. I know this and I'm 21. That's because I paid attention when our last republican president was in office. And that's why I'm very skeptical of politicians. As they will tap dance for anyone who can get them elected and then do the exact opposite when in office because in their heart they are as liberal as Hillary.
Solar seems to have the patience of Jobe, so I'd guess several hundred yrs old :biggrin:
Quote from: Sauce on April 04, 2016, 11:43:05 AM
Solar seems to have the patience of Jobe, so I'd guess several hundred yrs old :biggrin:
Probably another rush sheep lol he goes off information from ted cruz's website lol
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 11:42:16 AM
I'm way more educated than you as I don't go to ted cruz's website to see what he says about himself. I wouldn't go to Donald trump or john Kasich's website either. Talk about biased information....
Seriously I just can't. It seems you'd rather be blind.
And thanks fgor proving my point. He doesn't stand for anything conservative that you can name. I thought there wasn't.
It's not rhetoric when it's backed up with facts dumb ass! So go to his site and read what he's done in his career for Texas, and note, he not only campaigned and promised to do as he said, he followed through with actual Legislation.
Ya know, I really am nearing my final thread with you son, so I suggest you either get serious, or say your final good byes.
Quote from: Sauce on April 04, 2016, 11:43:05 AM
Solar seems to have the patience of Jobe, so I'd guess several hundred yrs old :biggrin:
Yeah, he's got one foot in the grave. :glare:
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 11:49:37 AM
It's not rhetoric when it's backed up with facts dumb ass! So go to his site and read what he's done in his career for Texas, and note, he not only campaigned and promised to do as he said, he followed through with actual Legislation.
Ya know, I really am nearing my final thread with you son, so I suggest you either get serious, or say your final good byes.
yeah but he's going to leave out the reasons why it's not true what he fell through on. And how he isn't much help to the prolife movement. I never go to a candidate's website I didn't even do that with rand paul and I really liked him out of all the candidates. You're not very skilled it seems in picking a candidate and doing good research ontem. You have to hear both opponent supporters andjust what they said in general. That's actually why I prefer seeing what they say then hearing from epeople with an agenda. Like I said with presidential campaigns they'll say anything to get elected.
I just refuse to be one of those fools who fall for it.
Objective research is the key.
New poll out today has Trump up 10 in Wisconsin :blink:
Trump 42
Cruz 32
Kasich 23
americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/rep/wirep.html (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/rep/wirep.html)
And that's not just to cruz. I came across marco Rubio's website on the issues too and didn't read it because I didn't want his biased information and I voted for the guy. So I just don't do campaign websites. That's just not for me. I don't want to be tricked by anyone cruz Rubio trump rand paul Kasich etc... I don't want to be tricked so I don't go to their websites. I don't go to articles in favor of them I don't go to radio shows or nes shows that are obviously biased. Sometimes in this season though the biased news channel is least biased. I just tryo to do the least biased and the least negative news about candidates as possible. I just like neutral information and then I decide. Thankfully though I don't have to decide between these 3 candidates and I can vote for whoever is in the general election honestly if it's Kasich I don't think I'll want to vote for him. It's just such a crucial year this year that a democrat president is concerning as far as the judges go.
Quote from: mrconservative on April 04, 2016, 11:56:29 AM
New poll out today has Trump up 10 in Wisconsin :blink:
Trump 42
Cruz 32
Kasich 23
americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/rep/wirep.html (http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2016/primary/rep/wirep.html)
Is this in response to the abortion comments? If so? That's what he gets. Either way I hope it's a good amount of undecided there. Thankfully. I hope it ends up being 45%-42% of either candidate just hopefully Kasich gets less than 20%. I remember a time when he wanted to get Wisconsin...
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275060-poll-cruz-leads-trump-by-5-points-in-wisconsin
this actually closer to what I want.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 10:54:40 AM
yeah that's not prolife that's a complacent and content liberal. If he isn't going to do anything about abortion he is as good as Hillary maybe worst. All other issues really aren't that important when there's millions dying from this everyday
You obviously are a one issue voter. I suggest you form a Pro-Life Party and see where that goes.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 04, 2016, 12:43:13 PM
You obviously are a one issue voter. I suggest you form a Pro-Life Party and see where that goes.
Ironically, he was aborted.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 04, 2016, 12:43:13 PM
You obviously are a one issue voter. I suggest you form a Pro-Life Party and see where that goes.
I thought that was the conservative party?
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 11:53:57 AM
yeah but he's going to leave out the reasons why it's not true what he fell through on. And how he isn't much help to the prolife movement. I never go to a candidate's website I didn't even do that with rand paul and I really liked him out of all the candidates. You're not very skilled it seems in picking a candidate and doing good research ontem. You have to hear both opponent supporters andjust what they said in general. That's actually why I prefer seeing what they say then hearing from epeople with an agenda. Like I said with presidential campaigns they'll say anything to get elected.
I just refuse to be one of those fools who fall for it.
Objective research is the key.
Then here's your chance to prove me wrong on Cruz, prove any part of this a lie.
As Solicitor General for the State of Texas and in private practice, Ted authored more than 80 U.S. Supreme Court briefs and argued 43 oral arguments, including nine before the U.S. Supreme Court, and has won an unprecedented series of landmark national victories including defending U.S. sovereignty against the UN and the World Court in Medellin v. Texas, defending our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, defending the constitutionality of the Ten Commandments monument at the Texas State Capitol and the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.
In the U.S. Senate, Ted has led the fight to repeal Obamacare, to stop President Obama's illegal and unconstitutional executive amnesty, and to defend life, marriage, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, and our entire Bill of Rights. And most important, he's kept his promise to speak the truth and do what he said he'd do.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 12:46:39 PM
I thought that was the conservative party?
What drug are you on?
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 12:46:39 PM
I thought that was the conservative party?
It is just one part of the conservative party. The constitution is the main part. Please take the advice and form your own party, one issue candidates lose elections. the Conservative party does not need you, and I for one damn sure do not want you. There have been several posts to your questions which supply answers and you only ignore them and keep rambling on. it is apparent you only came to this forum to troll. good luck, the people who run this forum have seen much better trolls than you and had their lunch.
Quote from: taxed on April 04, 2016, 01:05:08 PM
What drug are you on?
I am actually very much against drugs. And have never even smoked.
But about drugs in general, I think drug addicts and that's anyone who's ever tried it should be tested when they get a job an apartment or home or recent social programs should have mandatory hair tests. And then charged for the crime accordingly as using drugs is illegal. I'd like a candidate tough on drugs. But it seems so many are actually pot heads coke heads or crack heads like the previous presidents. It's a very sad reality.
Quote from: s3779m on April 04, 2016, 01:21:28 PM
It is just one part of the conservative party. The constitution is the main part. Please take the advice and form your own party, one issue candidates lose elections. the Conservative party does not need you, and I for one damn sure do not want you. There have been several posts to your questions which supply answers and you only ignore them and keep rambling on. it is apparent you only came to this forum to troll. good luck, the people who run this forum have seen much better trolls than you and had their lunch.
Yeah but abortion isn't the only issue for me either. Most issues I side on the conservative side.
I find it funny though you have nothing backing such accusations. I don't like your guy cruz. So I'm a troll. It does sound a bit immature. Like I said I like to make sound decisions not just because of a façade.
Quote from: taxed on April 04, 2016, 01:05:08 PM
What drug are you on?
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 01:46:49 PM
FIFY
Can I ask what if any drugs you have done? That includes alcohol and cigarettes. As I've done none of those even.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 12:46:39 PM
I thought that was the conservative party?
There is no such thing as the "conservative party". There is the GOP controlled by GOPe and the TEA movement that finds it more convenient to use the GOP as its vehicle for change.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 04, 2016, 02:28:29 PM
There is no such thing as the "conservative party". There is the GOP controlled by GOPe and the TEA movement that finds it more convenient to use the GOP as its vehicle for change.
the conservative party is the constitutional party. The gop is usually moderate the kind that usually support rape abortions. Basically a George Bush who was bad all around with most issues including abortion immigration taxes foreign policy etc...
I prefer calling myself a libertarian over constitutional party. But the constitutional party is where I'm always assigned when I like take a list of issues and determine where I'm closest to. Republican is not really where I'm at though they're not usually social conservative.
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 12:51:07 PM
Then here's your chance to prove me wrong on Cruz, prove any part of this a lie.
As Solicitor General for the State of Texas and in private practice, Ted authored more than 80 U.S. Supreme Court briefs and argued 43 oral arguments, including nine before the U.S. Supreme Court, and has won an unprecedented series of landmark national victories including defending U.S. sovereignty against the UN and the World Court in Medellin v. Texas, defending our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, defending the constitutionality of the Ten Commandments monument at the Texas State Capitol and the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.
In the U.S. Senate, Ted has led the fight to repeal Obamacare, to stop President Obama's illegal and unconstitutional executive amnesty, and to defend life, marriage, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, and our entire Bill of Rights. And most important, he's kept his promise to speak the truth and do what he said he'd do.
I didn't see this post.
And actually that's another issue I have against him is the fact that he supported justice Roberts. Thanks for reminding me. I know all the rest of what you said the thing is none of that appeals to me. But good for you that you finally explained why you like him.
I feel like we can hold on to the bible as long as we want but it's going to do nothing at all if we don't have laws that actually are supported by the bible. This country will go to hell with you holding onto the bible and it becoming revealed that it wasn't enough. That's just how I see it.
Also I wanted to say congrats you finally found something I actually agree with ted cruz on and out of all that was the second and first amendment and beliefs on separation of church and state. See that wasn't that hard after all was it? So yes I do agree with him on those issues. I just don't see how it helps America. It's not a big issue for me. But I do agree with him on those issues. I agree with Kasich on a few issues same with trump heck I even agree with sanders only like maybe two issues(I am guessing I don't know what the second issue is). I just try to look at the whole picture that's why I'm always skeptical. I was actually very skeptical about marco Rubio even and I voted for him. I voted for him after he took a lot of heat and stuck to his guns. I need to see the same with ted cruz and if he's in the general there's a long road ahead for him. Or whoever the nominee is. It's hard to know if he actually will defend the right or not.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 02:25:21 PM
Can I ask what if any drugs you have done? That includes alcohol and cigarettes. As I've done none of those even.
You're naturally this stupid??
Quote from: taxed on April 04, 2016, 03:06:31 PM
You're naturally this stupid??
name calling just reflects back at you imo.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 03:07:28 PM
name calling just reflects back at you imo.
I was making an observation and just asked a question. If you're going to be stupid, please don't be offended if I'm curious as to how you got that way.
Quote from: taxed on April 04, 2016, 03:08:15 PM
I was making an observation and just asked a question. If you're going to be stupid, please don't be offended if I'm curious as to how you got that way.
Hmmm you're this this and that because you don't agree with me....
Seriously that's what your post read imo. You have no backing just upset I don't like cruz. I've seen all your other posts and seem to hate trump and I guess love cruz. Good for you. But not everyone does. I frankly don't like anyone.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 03:12:49 PM
Hmmm you're this this and that because you don't agree with me....
Seriously that's what your post read imo. You have no backing just upset I don't like cruz. I've seen all your other posts and seem to hate trump and I guess love cruz. Good for you. But not everyone does. I frankly don't like anyone.
It's more that you post like you're in a life or death struggle with your keyboard... and the keyboard is winning. I'm simply asking you to make some sense.
You're here to troll, which is obvious. Just please cut it out and start to be a little more mature.
Quote from: taxed on April 04, 2016, 03:19:11 PM
It's more that you post like you're in a life or death struggle with your keyboard... and the keyboard is winning. I'm simply asking you to make some sense.
You're here to troll, which is obvious. Just please cut it out and start to be a little more mature.
Yeah I'm not here to troll I'm actually sharing my feelings on the candidates. If you don't understand them. Ask away. I'd love to explain I love talking about politics. I am not trying to annoy anyone either. These are actually how I feel about the presidential races this year. I am sharing how I feel the same as solar. The only difference is you agree with solar. And I am not sold on cruz so I have my doubts. It is very obvious you don't like this and have issues that I don't like cruz. It's very obvious.
If you don't understand, please clarify what you don't understand instead of making accusations.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 03:04:26 PM
I didn't see this post.
And actually that's another issue I have against him is the fact that he supported justice Roberts. Thanks for reminding me. I know all the rest of what you said the thing is none of that appeals to me. But good for you that you finally explained why you like him.
I feel like we can hold on to the bible as long as we want but it's going to do nothing at all if we don't have laws that actually are supported by the bible. This country will go to hell with you holding onto the bible and it becoming revealed that it wasn't enough. That's just how I see it.
Also I wanted to say congrats you finally found something I actually agree with ted cruz on and out of all that was the second and first amendment and beliefs on separation of church and state. See that wasn't that hard after all was it? So yes I do agree with him on those issues. I just don't see how it helps America. It's not a big issue for me. But I do agree with him on those issues. I agree with Kasich on a few issues same with trump heck I even agree with sanders only like maybe two issues(I am guessing I don't know what the second issue is). I just try to look at the whole picture that's why I'm always skeptical. I was actually very skeptical about marco Rubio even and I voted for him. I voted for him after he took a lot of heat and stuck to his guns. I need to see the same with ted cruz and if he's in the general there's a long road ahead for him. Or whoever the nominee is. It's hard to know if he actually will defend the right or not.
How hard was it? I gave you this link at the start, all you had to do was click the link, but you refused to read the truth.
Yeah, I'm with Taxed here, you're either trolling or stupid, pick one. I say both.
Quote from: Solar on April 04, 2016, 04:07:35 PM
How hard was it? I gave you this link at the start, all you had to do was click the link, but you refused to read the truth.
Yeah, I'm with Taxed here, you're either trolling or stupid, pick one. I say both.
You think you will get a clear view of where the candidate stands by looking at a campaign website.
Very fluffy, very simple minded very gullible thinking.
Just what politicians love from the voters. I bet this type of thinking would have had jeb bush in the general election...
Maybe one day you'll learn.
That's all my thoughts on how you chose a candidate.
But to each is very much their own.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 03:07:28 PM
name calling just reflects back at you imo.
He's had years of experience at spotting ones worth calling names. He's also the admin.
Quote from: quiller on April 04, 2016, 04:26:19 PM
He's had years of experience at spotting ones worth calling names. He's also the admin.
nope you all just lack the skills to debate on the issue.
And therefore get frustrated and can not express yourself very well imo.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 04:57:05 PM
nope you all just lack the skills to debate on the issue.
And therefore get frustrated and can not express yourself very well imo.
you have no issues or skills, just a condescending attitude is never appreciated and for certain is not here. There are debates and discussions which go on all the time on this forum, many of them have gotten quite heated but there was always a respect shown towards each other. That is a quality you do not have, or have chosen not to use it here.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 11:14:12 AM
None are good issues. All the good boats set sail and you can't get on. You are forced to get on one of the three. They're crappy choices.
FFS then go vote for Sanders already. Seriously kid, you are messed up in the head. Either pick the candidate you most align with or go feel the bern... :angry:
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 04:24:06 PM
You think you will get a clear view of where the candidate stands by looking at a campaign website.
Very fluffy, very simple minded very gullible thinking.
Just what politicians love from the voters. I bet this type of thinking would have had jeb bush in the general election...
Maybe one day you'll learn.
That's all my thoughts on how you chose a candidate.
But to each is very much their own.
I posted facts and those facts stand until you can prove them wrong, but you, being a troll think you're not subject to the rules of debate, well...I have news for you.
You're being put in timeout until you can grasp the concept of debate.
Believe me, if you decide you can't follow simple etiquette when you return, I'll make it permanent, no warning, no explanation.
Quote from: Lt21 on April 04, 2016, 10:34:22 PM
Alright I'm done. I have outsmarted you guys over and over. And all the information for independent thinkers is out there. It appears a few of you are lost causes. Bye.
:thumbsup:
Another leftist moron spewing trash and claiming undeserved victory.
How absolutely leftist, lame---and predictable. "Independent thinkers" do not vote for decrepit senile communists.
Quote from: justme21 on April 04, 2016, 03:04:26 PM
I didn't see this post.
And actually that's another issue I have against him is the fact that he supported justice Roberts. Thanks for reminding me. I know all the rest of what you said the thing is none of that appeals to me. But good for you that you finally explained why you like him.
I feel like we can hold on to the bible as long as we want but it's going to do nothing at all if we don't have laws that actually are supported by the bible. This country will go to hell with you holding onto the bible and it becoming revealed that it wasn't enough. That's just how I see it.
Also I wanted to say congrats you finally found something I actually agree with ted cruz on and out of all that was the second and first amendment and beliefs on separation of church and state. See that wasn't that hard after all was it? So yes I do agree with him on those issues. I just don't see how it helps America. It's not a big issue for me. But I do agree with him on those issues. I agree with Kasich on a few issues same with trump heck I even agree with sanders only like maybe two issues(I am guessing I don't know what the second issue is). I just try to look at the whole picture that's why I'm always skeptical. I was actually very skeptical about marco Rubio even and I voted for him. I voted for him after he took a lot of heat and stuck to his guns. I need to see the same with ted cruz and if he's in the general there's a long road ahead for him. Or whoever the nominee is. It's hard to know if he actually will defend the right or not.
Can you name a republican that did not support Roberts at the time. You are now grasping.
Quote from: Lt21 on April 04, 2016, 10:21:48 PM
Yeah respect is calling people names and not actually arguing with anything factual. Just getting mad because you aren't right. That's respect. You know I used to think liberals were dumb. But you seem even dumb than liberals act seriously.
Ain't nobody getting mad here but you. You're not the first troll to come to this site nor will you be the last. You post a lot of nonsense and call us stupid???????If you want to have a discussion, fine just drop the arrogance and your condescending attitude. You have not outsmarted anyone here, only yourself.
Quote from: s3779m on April 05, 2016, 05:05:00 AM
Ain't nobody getting mad here but you. You're not the first troll to come to this site nor will you be the last. You post a lot of nonsense and call us stupid???????If you want to have a discussion, fine just drop the arrogance and your condescending attitude. You have not outsmarted anyone here, only yourself.
He's a Dexter......
They go to all that work to annoy, and in seconds, his nonsense is nonexistent. :biggrin:
I knew he was a lib troll the moment I looked at his account after his 2nd post, he came in under a proxy, and only lib trolls do that because they have no friends, they're outcasts.
If you've seen or heard of the Avalanche, watch this, it explains the lib troll experience.
He's a Dexter. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUecUKa_yqo
Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2016, 06:17:13 AM
He's a Dexter......
They go to all that work to annoy, and in seconds, his nonsense is nonexistent. :biggrin:
I knew he was a lib troll the moment I looked at his account after his 2nd post, he came in under a proxy, and only lib trolls do that because they have no friends, they're outcasts.
If you've seen or heard of the Avalanche, watch this, it explains the lib troll experience.
He's a Dexter. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUecUKa_yqo
yes, that is quite annoying... like Trump repeating himself, over and over. ...a broken record.
Quote from: Hoofer on April 05, 2016, 08:44:19 AM
yes, that is quite annoying... like Trump repeating himself, over and over. ...a broken record.
Yep, just another Dexter Lib. :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2016, 09:23:59 AM
Yep, just another Dexter Lib. :biggrin:
Trump must be running scared as he is bring out the big guns. Melania Trump joined her husband on the campaign trail. Can she bring the woman voter back. :rolleyes:
Quote from: walkstall on April 05, 2016, 10:08:33 AM
Trump must be running scared as he is bring out the big guns. Melania Trump joined her husband on the campaign trail. Can she bring the woman voter back. :rolleyes:
Natasha has her Boris, but the answer, comrade, is nyet.
Quote from: Solar on April 05, 2016, 06:17:13 AM
He's a Dexter......
They go to all that work to annoy, and in seconds, his nonsense is nonexistent. :biggrin:
I knew he was a lib troll the moment I looked at his account after his 2nd post, he came in under a proxy, and only lib trolls do that because they have no friends, they're outcasts.
If you've seen or heard of the Avalanche, watch this, it explains the lib troll experience.
He's a Dexter. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUecUKa_yqo
Neither me or my dog understood that one. :lol:
Quote from: s3779m on April 05, 2016, 01:39:13 PM
Neither me or my dog understood that one. :lol:
Which is why lib trolls are Dexter's, they're crazy in the coconut. :laugh:
Dexter: (in this context) Someone who represents themselves as being one thing while being something very different or opposite, usually crazy/dangerous/destructive.
Derivation is likely the T.V. series based on a forensic investigator of same name - who's a brutal serial-murderer in his spare time.