So your going from one RINO loser Marco Rubio to another RINO loser Trump. 

Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 10:20:45 AM

No lol there's no difference with an excuse imo of rape than financial reasons. It's all murder and should be treated so. That's how I see it. I think murder should be illegal in all cases. That's what abortion is imo. I used to like what ted cruz very seldom says that abortion should illegal in all cases except life. That I can vote for but he rarely even says that. That's why I preferred Rubio over him. He's never gotten heat for this issue because he never really mentions this. He only says his stance sometimes in front of prolife groups. I trust him more than trump though to appoint the right judges if he had the chance. But I just don't trust him. He's too slick and untrustworthy. This is why I didn't vote for him. I wanted rand paul or scott walker but neither made it to Nevada. Even though ben carson made it for a long period of time. You'd think rand paul would have been able to stay.

I have no idea what in the hell you're talking about.

Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 10:28:08 AM
If you're going by the media then sanders should probably be president the media doesn't win elections if it did trump wouldn't have been here in Iowa he'd have already dropped out. Trump has one way more elections than cruz has and gaining popularity doesn't always win elections. Trump is still up where it counts. So as I said before trump is beating cruz and he almost swept trump out on that other Tuesday even Kasich did better than him.


And about what cruz said like I said I am upset at ted cruz for how he's been on abortion finally he has something to say about abortion and it's antilife as he attacked trump about it. When he should have just shut up. Like last time with marco Rubio he shut up rightfully so. He didn't do the right thing here. I didn't like it and now I'm reconsidering even voting for him if he runs in the general because he basically took a step away from the false conservative platform he was trying to claim.

Well that was a total waste of time.
I have no clue as to your point, all I've gotten so far, is you back a NY Lib, hate Cruz for something he said, or didn't say about abortion.
And FWIW, I suggest you go to http://www.tedcruz.org/ and read his stances on every issue, because despite the media hype, Cruz positions are solid and haven't changed.

Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2016, 11:46:38 AM
Well that was a total waste of time.
I have no clue as to your point, all I've gotten so far, is you back a NY Lib, hate Cruz for something he said, or didn't say about abortion.
And FWIW, I suggest you go to http://www.tedcruz.org/ and read his stances on every issue, because despite the media hype, Cruz positions are solid and haven't changed.

justme21 sounds like he jumping around as much a Trump.  He is a republican in name only as long as it his way. 

Quote from: Sauce on April 03, 2016, 10:41:30 AM
What EXACTLY concerning Cruz's position on abortion are you so up in arms about?

TELL US CLEARLY WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!

.....and I thought I was unclear and get lost in my own posts 

I don't like that he attacked Donald trump on his abortion statement he should have stayed out of it like last time

Quote from: walkstall on April 03, 2016, 10:56:55 AM
So your going from one RINO loser Marco Rubio to another RINO loser Trump.

I don't like trump I got no clue where you got that from. He supports rape abortions. I don't support that. Btw Marco Rubio was the strongest on abortion by the time the Nevada elections had come. It was a sad choice. I felt more motivated to vote for him though since he did stick to his guns on the issue when asked about it. Ted Cruz never talks about abortion so to me he's not conservative. He talks about stuff I don't give a rat's butt about. He doesn't even go into detail about other social conservative issues. I don't like him. But I would trust him to do right by the judges. For that I prefer him over trump especially since he never said that rape abortion should be legal. But I still don't like him and I don't like what he said last week. I feel like he's taking a step away from the conservative base he's claiming. Which I never felt he could really be trusted to begin with.

Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 03:37:29 PM
I don't like that he attacked Donald trump on his abortion statement he should have stayed out of it like last time

Why the hell not?  They are both running for office of president of the U.S. 

Lets see we can only attacked Cruz's positions right?   

Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2016, 11:46:38 AM
Well that was a total waste of time.
I have no clue as to your point, all I've gotten so far, is you back a NY Lib, hate Cruz for something he said, or didn't say about abortion.
And FWIW, I suggest you go to http://www.tedcruz.org/ and read his stances on every issue, because despite the media hype, Cruz positions are solid and haven't changed.

I don't support trump. I think trump though is way more trustworthy than cruz. But trump is pro abortion. That's how I see it. So I can't really vote for him so is Kasich. Trump actually said partial birth abortion should be legal in the case of rape in 2011. So I don't like his stances on abortion either. But I think trump is honest. And I think he would be tough on criminals including illegal aliens and I think he could take cafre of that problem. I think he'll try to do what he says he'll do. I don't know or really think that with ted cruz. Ted cruz is and was weak on illegal aliens they got him on tape saying he really wished that bill would go through that the gain of 8 created. He says stuff about the families. But doesn't realize there are American families that suffer with illegal immigration. And I don't know about his abortion stance. Sure he doesn't include rape abortion exceptions. But he doesn't mention this a lot I don't know why. And to an extent I feel maybe it's not exactly true for him maybe he really doesn't care. He only really talks about planned parenthood. Of which I don't really care about the planned parenthood I've lived around don't even do abortions. Abortions in my area are done by the women's medical center a-z and a few others. Not pp. If he could talk about he is prolife and not attack someone for talking against abortion. I would feel a lot better about him. I still would think he's not trustworthy though. Which is what my problem with him is. The policies he says are good who knows what's true and what he'll do and what he won't do. I tried to find anything he's sponsored that would indicate being prolife but I haven't found it. Give me a link. I'd love to see it.

Quote from: walkstall on April 03, 2016, 03:44:34 PM




Why the hell not?  They are both running for office of president of the U.S. 

Lets see we can only attacked Cruz's positions right?   

Cruz didn't attack Marco Rubio when everyone was going after him on his stances on abortion. I think he should have done the same here. I already am iffy about ted cruz on his social issues he just compounded it with this.

I just did in two posts.... I don't like trump's beliefs on abortion or marriage actually. So technically he's kind of like Obama was in his first campaign lol... There are some commonalities.

Quote from: walkstall on April 03, 2016, 12:48:02 PM

justme21 sounds like he jumping around as much a Trump.  He is a republican in name only as long as it his way.

I actually am a libertarian. I just signed up as a republican to vote in the primaries. But normally not a republican.


And I don't support Trump I can't really vote for him anymore than I can vote for Kasich. But I don't trust Cruz either.

Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 04:04:42 PM

I actually am a libertarian. I just signed up as a republican to vote in the primaries. But normally not a republican.


And I don't support Trump I can't really vote for him anymore than I can vote for Kasich. But I don't trust Cruz either.

So your a liar just like Trump.  There was/is a lot of crossovers of non republican.

Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 03:56:24 PM

I don't support trump. I think trump though is way more trustworthy than cruz. But trump is pro abortion. That's how I see it. So I can't really vote for him so is Kasich. Trump actually said partial birth abortion should be legal in the case of rape in 2011. So I don't like his stances on abortion either.

yOU'RE COMING OFF AS A ONE ISSUE VOTER AND THAT'S SAD.

QuoteBut I think trump is honest. And I think he would be tough on criminals including illegal aliens and I think he could take cafre of that problem. I think he'll try to do what he says he'll do. I don't know or really think that with ted cruz. Ted cruz is and was weak on illegal aliens they got him on tape saying he really wished that bill would go through that the gain of 8 created. He says stuff about the families. But doesn't realize there are American families that suffer with illegal immigration. And I don't know about his abortion stance. Sure he doesn't include rape abortion exceptions. But he doesn't mention this a lot I don't know why. And to an extent I feel maybe it's not exactly true for him maybe he really doesn't care. He only really talks about planned parenthood. Of which I don't really care about the planned parenthood I've lived around don't even do abortions. Abortions in my area are done by the women's medical center a-z and a few others. Not pp. If he could talk about he is prolife and not attack someone for talking against abortion. I would feel a lot better about him. I still would think he's not trustworthy though. Which is what my problem with him is.

Trump has flip flopped on every issue that's come up during the election cycle, in other words, HE'S Lied ON EVERY SUBJECT!!!

QuoteThe policies he says are good who knows what's true and what he'll do and what he won't do. I tried to find anything he's sponsored that would indicate being prolife but I haven't found it. Give me a link. I'd love to see it.

Just ask Texas, he's kept every promise he ran on to get elected, and we already know Trump has reneged on his promise to deport, and the wall is up for negeotiation, as is everything he promised, his own words.

I gave you a link, you do know how to navigate websites, right?
http://www.tedcruz.org/

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/29/ted-cruz-leads-pro-life-rally-i-have-stood-up-to-fight-to-the-right-to-life-of-unborn-babies/

http://www.texasrighttolife.com/about/1513/Ted-Cruzs-ProLife-stance-bodes-well-for-impending-presidential-race

Quote from: Solar on April 03, 2016, 04:22:50 PM
yOU'RE COMING OFF AS A ONE ISSUE VOTER AND THAT'S SAD.


Trump has flip flopped on every issue that's come up during the election cycle, in other words, HE'S Lied ON EVERY SUBJECT!!!

Just ask Texas, he's kept every promise he ran on to get elected, and we already know Trump has reneged on his promise to deport, and the wall is up for negeotiation, as is everything he promised, his own words.

I gave you a link, you do know how to navigate websites, right?
http://www.tedcruz.org/

http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/29/ted-cruz-leads-pro-life-rally-i-have-stood-up-to-fight-to-the-right-to-life-of-unborn-babies/

http://www.texasrighttolife.com/about/1513/Ted-Cruzs-ProLife-stance-bodes-well-for-impending-presidential-race

Just me, but I don't think he is posting to learn.  He is more like a Shill. He is a RINO.

Quote from: walkstall on April 03, 2016, 04:21:58 PM

So your a liar just like Trump.  There was/is a lot of crossovers of non republican.

I don't really believe in the terms republican v. democrat as so many republicans are really no different from democrats so that word means nothing to me. Conservative means something it is not connected with republican. You can be conservative and apart of any party. I'm a moderate conservative more than anything though. But I'm more on the right side than the left side.


Here's what cruz has said about abortion. This is what I first saw in December.

•Planned Parenthood sells body parts of unborn human beings. (Sep 2015)
•Allow vote to end Planned Parenthood's funding. (Aug 2015)
•Prosecute Planned Parenthood for criminal violations. (Aug 2015)
•Ban taxpayer funding of abortion & partial birth abortion. (Mar 2015)
•Companies can deny insuring birth control. (Apr 2012)
•Protect innocent human life with partial-birth ban. (Jul 2011)
•Opposes public abortion funding. (Oct 2012)
•Opposes churches providing birth control. (Oct 2012)




all he talks about is silly stuff with planned parenthood he doesn't really talk about being prolife. I had to delve deep to find what he actually says on abortion. That wasn't the case for scott walker rand paul or marco Rubio. They clearly say they are prolife.

Quote from: justme21 on April 03, 2016, 04:32:02 PM

I don't really believe in the terms republican v. democrat as so many republicans are really no different from democrats so that word means nothing to me. Conservative means something it is not connected with republican. You can be conservative and apart of any party. I'm a moderate conservative more than anything though. But I'm more on the right side than the left side.


Here's what cruz has said about abortion. This is what I first saw in December.

•Planned Parenthood sells body parts of unborn human beings. (Sep 2015)
•Allow vote to end Planned Parenthood's funding. (Aug 2015)
•Prosecute Planned Parenthood for criminal violations. (Aug 2015)
•Ban taxpayer funding of abortion & partial birth abortion. (Mar 2015)
•Companies can deny insuring birth control. (Apr 2012)
•Protect innocent human life with partial-birth ban. (Jul 2011)
•Opposes public abortion funding. (Oct 2012)
•Opposes churches providing birth control. (Oct 2012)




all he talks about is silly stuff with planned parenthood he doesn't really talk about being prolife. I had to delve deep to find what he actually says on abortion. That wasn't the case for scott walker rand paul or marco Rubio. They clearly say they are prolife.

So what your saying is you want someone who pontificates about how Pro Life they are as apposed to someone who has actually attempted to do something about abortion laws and the biggest funder of abortions.

...hmmm, ok