Well, there's no need to be insulting. The solution to this is that you are clearly not as strong a conservative as you believe. A substantive response would be preferred rather than passive aggression such as references to "panties". I know that you have strong feelings that Trump is not a conservative. So if you are inflexible on that then we have no basis for conversation. But see from my own POV, there was this guy named Ronald Reagan and he had a friend named William F. Buckley, who came up with this crazy notion that one should in the final analysis put aside one's hurt feelings and vote for the most conservative candidate who could win. To insist that any of the current 'Crats is as conservative as Trump shows a certain uh, inclination to circumnavigate stipulated aspects of reality. You already know that I am a Cruz fan (or if not be so advised) and no big fan of Trump. But I am not so occluded by emotion to believe that Trump is as insane as either of the current 'Crat candidates. This may all be moot, because in light of the most current Trump scandal, Cruz may well get 85% of the remaining delegates and be the nominee anyway.

Quote from: kit saginaw on March 29, 2016, 08:58:25 AM
Present the same 5 propositions to Cruz.

Apart from abolishing the IRS, which he hasn't explained how...  He's a first-term Senator, a heartbeat away from governing as a RINO.

Cruz has presented several cases before the SCOTUS, Trump has been in court too... for bankruptcy.
Cruz has a proven constitutional conservative track record, the ONLY track record Trump has is funding the most liberal of the bunch (no, I don't buy his pay-to-play crap, because if he was SERIOUS, he'd start fingering every one of those he bought off in congress - wouldn't he?)

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1... Build the wall with American-taxpayer money, while Mexico continues collecting 58-billion from us.  Thanks, Ted.

The funding for the wall has already been approved.  Slap Tariffs on imports, and we still pay for it.  WE are going to pay for it - don't kid yourself.

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2... Cruz doesn't explain how he'll replace obamacare.  Will he do anything differently than what Trump has put-forth?

Yes, and remember during several of the debates, Ted Cruz stated he would:
a.  repeal every word of Obamacare.
b.  set up health savings accounts - tax exempt savings for your medical bills.
c.  get the government OUT of the healthcare business.
d.  VETS can go anywhere for care.

Trump stole the "VETs go anywhere with a card" idea from Ted Cruz.  Trump also said a single payer system was the way to go.  (same as Obama, per his interview in Chicago, when he was running for the Senate.  In essence, he said the current system was necessary to destroy our current healthcare system, so people would be more receptive to a single-payer system)

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3... Cruz and Trump both say they'll snuff the jihadists... which aren't worth killing a pig for. 

no comment necessary, is there?  I get enough fat-back from my hogs... probably grease half the army's annual supply of 223 ammo. 

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4... Where's Ted on trade?  He's a lawyer.  Not a businessman or economist.  I see no proposals anywhere. 

Ted's an honest lawyer... Donald used the law to 'save his bacon' - not exactly the kind of businessman I'd trust with my money - but would you....?

I fail to understand the relevance in the rest, sorry, not trying to sound like a jerk, just being honest.

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5... http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/03/28/ted-cruz-is-no-rebel-he-just-plays-one-on-tv/

Gosh, I wish I were a 'true conservative'.  From there, I could be poised to become a 'true true conservative'.   Then the possibilities are endless.

2 (a)... True Conservative rule #318...  Donald Trump is not allowed to change his mind on single-payer healthcare.  He's locked-in forever.  "Probably won't work well in the U.S."  is henceforth null-and-void from any discussion.

My case rests.  Trump is not a liberal slash Democrat.


 

Quote from: kit saginaw on March 29, 2016, 07:37:25 PM
My case rests.  Trump is not a liberal slash Democrat.

Yet at one time, no, two times he was a Dim , therefore he once again proved just how big a lib he truly is, he flipped flopped on what he claims as his party.

Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 05:42:19 PM
This may all be moot, because in light of the most current Trump scandal, Cruz may well get 85% of the remaining delegates and be the nominee anyway.

Yeah.  Don't worry.  I've had my Party, me, and my ideology bashed and name-called by Dems/libs since I first got online in '96.  Now I'm getting it from the right too. 

Oh well... another day, another John Cameron Swayze mantra.

Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 27, 2016, 01:44:17 AM
Okham's Razor - If Trump wants to be reelected, he will steer to a course which is more in line with conservative values - because leftism is a sure path to utter and complete catastrophe.

Then why not run as one?  Anticipating a mentally incompetent scam artist to do the right, logical thing is silly.

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Trump may be amoral and not aligned with conservative values, but he is a pragmatist and therefore less likely to be a catastrophe as president than Hill-O-Lies, Colonel Sanders or any other 'Crat.

Trump a pragmatist?  I'm hoping you are just being sarcastic.  Trump is a scam artist who couldn't survive if he had to start and run a business, never mind being in charge of something of scope as the White House.  He would be worse than Hillary.  That probably explains why Hillary trounces him in the polling he holds dear to.

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To assume that he would not be requires an adjunct assumption that he is either too dumb or too indifferent to reelection to govern pragmatically (ie., to largely reject the worst aspects of leftism).

I can't assume he is smart until I see him do something smart.  As someone who has been in business for coming on 20 years, I spot his BS a mile away.  He has to buy politicians, because he doesn't have the savvy or business acumen to survive otherwise.  He is a fraud, and he will deliver Hillary on a silver platter.

Daddy's not around to bail him out anymore.

Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 06:45:15 AM
Very nice, substantive appraisal and IMO dead spot on. If Trump is the nominee I'd vote for him before throwing a tantrum and abstaining or voting turd party. I wish Trump supports would say the same about Cruz or some other candidate.

You may be comfortable voting for a liberal, but I'm not.

Quote from: taxed on March 29, 2016, 11:56:32 PM
You may be comfortable voting for a liberal, but I'm not.

I'm not comfortable with voting to supply oxygen to a liberal...you old softy, you.

Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 01:48:34 PM
"At least we know what we are getting with Hill-O-lies."

Do tell. I can't believe I actually read that post on a conservative forum.

Why?  It is true.

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Please tell me that you are kidding.

Yet you attempt to pitch that Trump is consistent and a pragmatist.  No conservative would every say that.  A conservative would, however, identify what Hillary would do.

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That's very much like saying you'd feel safer dealing with someone who admits that they're going to murder you and has a knife in their hand, than with someone who says that they won't and actually has at least some motivation not to murder you.

Yes.  I can be prepared and brace myself for the one saying they'll kill me.

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Assuming that rationality is a prerequisite factor in deciding your vote, how is that a rational position? 

Because a rational approach would be to assess the irrationality of an irrational person.  Trump is too irrational, and has a proven that beyond any reasonable doubt.

Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 05:42:19 PM
Well, there's no need to be insulting.

She wasn't.

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The solution to this is that you are clearly not as strong a conservative as you believe.

Incorrect.  A-Mom is on the A-team of conservatives.  Your contrast to her is only eroding your delusion that you are one.

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A substantive response would be preferred rather than passive aggression such as references to "panties". I know that you have strong feelings that Trump is not a conservative.

Those aren't feelings.  That is an established fact.  As a conservative, it is easy to identify that.  For a non-conservative, you get caught up in your hopes and dreams of what he could be.

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So if you are inflexible on that then we have no basis for conversation.

The conversation ended when you attempted to lob the idiocy that Trump is anywhere near a conservative, or would be a better vote than Hillary.

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But see from my own POV, there was this guy named Ronald Reagan and he had a friend named William F. Buckley, who came up with this crazy notion that one should in the final analysis put aside one's hurt feelings and vote for the most conservative candidate who could win.

No, I won't vote for Hillary.

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To insist that any of the current 'Crats is as conservative as Trump shows a certain uh, inclination to circumnavigate stipulated aspects of reality.

Incorrect.  She is as conservative as Trump.  The difference is Hillary isn't pretending to have an ah-ha moment and flipping to conservative positions after 60+ years of liberal loyalty.  You are someone who thought Hussein was pro-capitalist, because he didn't admit to being a Marxist.  Your perspectives are at odds with thinking.

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You already know that I am a Cruz fan

A fan?  yay.

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(or if not be so advised) and no big fan of Trump. But I am not so occluded by emotion to believe that Trump is as insane as either of the current 'Crat candidates.

This circles back to your delusional perspective.

Quote from: quiller on March 29, 2016, 11:59:07 PM
I'm not comfortable with voting to supply oxygen to a liberal...you old softy, you.

I would be, if there was a nice flame dependent on it...

Quote from: taxed on March 30, 2016, 12:15:20 AM
I would be, if there was a nice flame dependent on it...

I see you're having fun schooling the Trumpettes today. 

Quote from: quiller on March 30, 2016, 12:25:15 AM
I see you're having fun schooling the Trumpettes today. 

Ironically, they know all about schooling with Trump University and all.  Not the brightest bunch of bulbs in the knife drawer.

Quote from: taxed on March 30, 2016, 12:37:06 AM
Ironically, they know all about schooling with Trump University and all.  Not the brightest bunch of bulbs in the knife drawer.

They can't stand Trump but will vote for him? Am I hearing this right, or did Rod Serling just do a cakewalk across the stage and forgot to cue the camera guy?

This guy can't hold the same opinion twice in one hour and these dimwits want HIS finger on the big red button? They want HIS kind of negotiators allowing muslims to murder us on our own soil? They want HIS kind of free-speech advocate threatening anyone he disagrees with, or dares to criticize him?

THESE morons are fair game. They can't vote their way out of stupid if they tried.

Quote from: quiller on March 30, 2016, 01:15:31 AM
They can't stand Trump but will vote for him? Am I hearing this right, or did Rod Serling just do a cakewalk across the stage and forgot to cue the camera guy?

This guy can't hold the same opinion twice in one hour and these dimwits want HIS finger on the big red button? They want HIS kind of negotiators allowing muslims to murder us on our own soil? They want HIS kind of free-speech advocate threatening anyone he disagrees with, or dares to criticize him?

THESE morons are fair game. They can't vote their way out of stupid if they tried.

They're such idiots.  He flipped a coin to decide if he should go with an (R) or (D) next to his name, and that's good enough for these geniuses to pretend he's better than Hillary.