I have the same misgivings many of you do about why so many on the right are supporting trump..  Its nearly the same diatribe time and again, when asked the questions they simply have no answer yet give this man their full support.. Here are just a few issues that neither trump or his supporters can or will answer


  1) You want to build a wall along the border, when ask how this will be paid for you say Mexico will pay for it. When asked what happens if Mexico wont pay for it you say "Believe me, they will pay for it"  Mr Trump, what if Mexico refuses to pay for your wall?
2) When asked about Obamacare you say you will repeal and replace it.. you have yet to tell us what you will replace it with, just a few months ago you supported universal health care, is that what you will replace Obamacare with?
3) You say that we need to bring back waterboarding, you also say you would go further than water boarding and even target the families of suspected terrorist, you also said the military will "do what you tell them to do"  when it was pointed out that torture is illegal you pivoted and said you would follow the law, a few days later you said the law needs to be changed..  What exactly is your position here?
4) You talk about Tarriffs, you say you will impose a 45% tariff if countries like China don't play your game. It has been pointed out to you that to impose a tariff does not hurt the country you impose it upon but rather it hurts the consumer, the ones who will ultimately pay that 45% increase. Now you say this is just a threat and to "believe you when you say its a very good threat"   What exactly is your position here?
5) You have self identified with democrats in the past, what have you done in your life/business that show us you have Conservative values both in your public and private life?

Just to name a few :)

Quote from: AmericanMom on March 28, 2016, 02:06:50 PM
I have the same misgivings many of you do about why so many on the right are supporting trump..  Its nearly the same diatribe time and again, when asked the questions they simply have no answer yet give this man their full support.. Here are just a few issues that neither trump or his supporters can or will answer


  1) You want to build a wall along the border, when ask how this will be paid for you say Mexico will pay for it. When asked what happens if Mexico wont pay for it you say "Believe me, they will pay for it"  Mr Trump, what if Mexico refuses to pay for your wall?
2) When asked about Obamacare you say you will repeal and replace it.. you have yet to tell us what you will replace it with, just a few months ago you supported universal health care, is that what you will replace Obamacare with?
3) You say that we need to bring back waterboarding, you also say you would go further than water boarding and even target the families of suspected terrorist, you also said the military will "do what you tell them to do"  when it was pointed out that torture is illegal you pivoted and said you would follow the law, a few days later you said the law needs to be changed..  What exactly is your position here?
4) You talk about Tarriffs, you say you will impose a 45% tariff if countries like China don't play your game. It has been pointed out to you that to impose a tariff does not hurt the country you impose it upon but rather it hurts the consumer, the ones who will ultimately pay that 45% increase. Now you say this is just a threat and to "believe you when you say its a very good threat"   What exactly is your position here?
5) You have self identified with democrats in the past, what have you done in your life/business that show us you have Conservative values both in your public and private life?

Just to name a few :)

1...  we've already had a thread that explained how Mexico can be forced to pay us a one-time-only 10-billion payment for the wall, out of their usual 58-billion per year they get from us.  Boot them from NAFTA, tariffs on all incoming goods, taxes on all currency-transactions with American-banks/money-orders/wire-transactions/cash over $500.00 on person, cancel obama's 1-billion Gulf oil-exploration permit, stop all US aid.

2... he's already mentioned starting private healthcare-accounts, eliminating State-borders, allowing Vets to get care in any hospital, issuing temporary hc-cards until obamacare's damage is fixed.

3... since half the islamic terror-acts involve people from the same family as other family-members get compensated, I don't see a problem with putting the entire brood out of action.  As far as waterboarding-or-worse...  It's not like we want to do it.  The trick is to make the enemy believe that we want to do it. 

4... if American-goods made in China go up 45%, then we'd better just produce the goods here instead.  It'll only hurt for a little while.  It'll hurt China for a much longer while... unless they come to their senses and open-up their markets to our stuff at competitive prices.

5... the average pay in the Trump Corp. is 81-grand per year.  Seems fair.  I don't think anybody wants a litmus-test of anybody's ideology, whose never held public-office.  The RNC approved his viability to run.  Any fierce opposition otherwise should've been hammered-out last July.  Not January.

Quote from: kit saginaw on March 28, 2016, 03:19:46 PM
1...  we've already had a thread that explained how Mexico can be forced to pay us a one-time-only 10-billion payment for the wall, out of their usual 58-billion per year they get from us.  Boot them from NAFTA, tariffs on all incoming goods, taxes on all currency-transactions with American-banks/money-orders/wire-transactions/cash over $500.00 on person, cancel obama's 1-billion Gulf oil-exploration permit, stop all US aid.

After listening to the Charlie Sykes / Donald Trump interview from TODAY, these are all bargaining tools, idle threats, per Donald.
I'll write them all off as campaign BS.

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2... he's already mentioned starting private healthcare-accounts, eliminating State-borders, allowing Vets to get care in any hospital, issuing temporary hc-cards until obamacare's damage is fixed.

Trump has been in favor of a single-payer system for a long time - which is why Obama care was designed to fail, single payer replaces it.  Trump finishes what Obama started, healthcare like Canada, Cuba, UK, etc.

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3... since half the islamic terror-acts involve people from the same family as other family-members get compensated, I don't see a problem with putting the entire brood out of action.  As far as waterboarding-or-worse...  It's not like we want to do it.  The trick is to make the enemy believe that we want to do it. 

While we'd all prefer to give death to those who love martyrdom, let them die for their cause and our boys go home.... I think arming the military with bullets dipped in Pig blood and gun barrel lubricant of pig fat, would be a better deterrent.  It is interesting how the 'horror of war' is the best deterrent & demoralizer to the opposition.  Bomb them once, they get pissed.  Bomb them again, they get scared.  Bomb them again, they get the message - or they're already dead.   We need to bar the press from wartime activities.

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4... if American-goods made in China go up 45%, then we'd better just produce the goods here instead.  It'll only hurt for a little while.  It'll hurt China for a much longer while... unless they come to their senses and open-up their markets to our stuff at competitive prices.

As simple as it sounds, and boy, it's tempting to politicians to collect a 45% Tariff/Tax on imported goods... it's been tried - and it deeped a great depression.  This will kill small businesses faster than a recession, and kick inflation into high gear.  How do countries answer a Tariff - they impose a similar Tariff on our goods, which cuts off the exports of American goods.  Then the other countries, without trade restrictions, have a tremendous market at cut rate prices because our goods have tariffs on them.  Tariffs/Taxes on import/export goods hurt producers, manufacturers, farmers - everyone.

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5... the average pay in the Trump Corp. is 81-grand per year.  Seems fair.  I don't think anybody wants a litmus-test of anybody's ideology, whose never held public-office.  The RNC approved his viability to run.  Any fierce opposition otherwise should've been hammered-out last July.  Not January.

We're still in the Primary season, aren't we?   The greatest opposition to Donald Trump is from Women, over 70%  Like AmericanMom said, I really cannot see anything from Trump that would suggest he is being sincere with any of his claims... everything is a bargaining chip for him - he just said it TODAY on WTMJ.

Very nice, substantive appraisal and IMO dead spot on. If Trump is the nominee I'd vote for him before throwing a tantrum and abstaining or voting turd party. I wish Trump supports would say the same about Cruz or some other candidate.

Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 06:45:15 AM
Very nice, substantive appraisal and IMO dead spot on. If Trump is the nominee I'd vote for him before throwing a tantrum and abstaining or voting turd party. I wish Trump supports would say the same about Cruz or some other candidate.

I wont waste my vote on someone who does not hold Conservative values.   

I'll not throw a tantrum, no need to, Trump has that down to a tee

Quote from: AmericanMom on March 29, 2016, 07:36:50 AM
I wont waste my vote on someone who does not hold Conservative values.   

I'll not throw a tantrum, no need to, Trump has that down to a tee

Same here, at least with Hillary we know what we're getting, with Trump the liar, it could be one Hell of a lot worse.

Quote from: Solar on March 29, 2016, 07:51:59 AM
Same here, at least with Hillary we know what we're getting, with Trump the liar, it could be one Hell of a lot worse.

trump is nothing more than a man who looks after himself first.   He has donated to the leftist who have had the biggest hand in destroying our country and economy, he donated to help himself first. He is the epitome of Crony Capitalism and is what we must reject at all cost, even if it means Hillary gets the White House, we live to fight another day, not put someone in office that will destroy all aspects of Conservatism.

Present the same 5 propositions to Cruz.

Apart from abolishing the IRS, which he hasn't explained how...  He's a first-term Senator, a heartbeat away from governing as a RINO.

1... Build the wall with American-taxpayer money, while Mexico continues collecting 58-billion from us.  Thanks, Ted.

2... Cruz doesn't explain how he'll replace obamacare.  Will he do anything differently than what Trump has put-forth?

3... Cruz and Trump both say they'll snuff the jihadists... which aren't worth killing a pig for. 

4... Where's Ted on trade?  He's a lawyer.  Not a businessman or economist.  I see no proposals anywhere. 

5... http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/03/28/ted-cruz-is-no-rebel-he-just-plays-one-on-tv/

Gosh, I wish I were a 'true conservative'.  From there, I could be poised to become a 'true true conservative'.   Then the possibilities are endless.

2 (a)... True Conservative rule #318...  Donald Trump is not allowed to change his mind on single-payer healthcare.  He's locked-in forever.  "Probably won't work well in the U.S."  is henceforth null-and-void from any discussion.   

Quote from: kit saginaw on March 29, 2016, 08:58:25 AM
2 (a)... True Conservative rule #318...  Donald Trump is not allowed to change his mind on single-payer healthcare.  He's locked-in forever.  "Probably won't work well in the U.S."  is henceforth null-and-void from any discussion.

At least we agree on something   Now if we can just get that clause on every other issue he's flipped, flopped or introduced as mere cannon fodder for his brilliant negotiating and deal making ...

then perhaps we would be done with this rues for good.

Quote from: kit saginaw on March 29, 2016, 08:58:25 AM
Present the same 5 propositions to Cruz.

Apart from abolishing the IRS, which he hasn't explained how...  He's a first-term Senator, a heartbeat away from governing as a RINO.

Straw man, meet match.

Quote1... Build the wall with American-taxpayer money, while Mexico continues collecting 58-billion from us.  Thanks, Ted.

What a load of shit! If you have a neighbor that refuses to clean up their mess, what makes you think they want a fence?
I will happily pay to keep these neighbors off my property, only a fool would think such a bad neighbor would even help fund a fence that interferes with their income and way of life.

Quote2... Cruz doesn't explain how he'll replace obamacare.  Will he do anything differently than what Trump has put-forth?

Jeeez, Kit , are you freakin asleep? Cruz isn't the moron claiming he can fix socialized medicine, he stated quite clearly he'll destroy it!
It's your lib that wants to replace it with what he claims is improved socialized medicine.

Quote3... Cruz and Trump both say they'll snuff the jihadists... which aren't worth killing a pig for. 

OK...

Quote4... Where's Ted on trade?  He's a lawyer.  Not a businessman or economist.  I see no proposals anywhere. 

That's because you have your head so far up Trump's ass, you can't see beyond his sphincter.

Original sponsor of Audit-The-Fed bill. (Jan 2016)
Would I bail out the banks again? Absolutely not!. (Nov 2015)
I would not bail out Bank of America. (Nov 2015)
1.2% annual growth over last 8 years is a disaster. (Nov 2015)
Audit the Fed; then end quantitative easing. (Oct 2015)
Use debt limit as leverage for policy change. (Oct 2015)
Top 1% under Obama got fat & happy while workers are hurting. (Feb 2015)
Lost Generation: Obama agenda hammers young people. (Mar 2014)
Balanced budget amendment to stop bankrupting our country. (Mar 2014)
Choice is more federal spending, or free markets & liberty. (Aug 2012)
FactCheck: Yes, gross federal debt now exceeds GDP. (Aug 2012)
Demand a Balanced Budget amendment. (Jul 2010)
Limit federal spending growth to per-capita inflation rate. (Jul 2010)
Supports a constitutional BBA. (Oct 2012)
Supports the Cut-Cap-and-Balance Pledge. (Jan 2012)
Endorsed by the Club for Growth, for pro-growth stances. (Aug 2012)
Audit the Federal Reserve & its actions on mortgage loans. (Feb 2013)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ted_Cruz.htm

Quote5... http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2016/03/28/ted-cruz-is-no-rebel-he-just-plays-one-on-tv/

Gosh, I wish I were a 'true conservative'.  From there, I could be poised to become a 'true true conservative'.   Then the possibilities are endless.

Hell, I'd settle for moderate in your case.

Quote2 (a)... True Conservative rule #318...  Donald Trump is not allowed to change his mind on single-payer healthcare.  He's locked-in forever.  "Probably won't work well in the U.S."  is henceforth null-and-void from any discussion.

If you Trumpaloons would hold him to any one single issue, that would be a start.
But you can't post one single issue the lib hasn't flip flopped on.



Fixed quotes.
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"At least we know what we are getting with Hill-O-lies."

Do tell. I can't believe I actually read that post on a conservative forum. Please tell me that you are kidding. That's very much like saying you'd feel safer dealing with someone who admits that they're going to murder you and has a knife in their hand, than with someone who says that they won't and actually has at least some motivation not to murder you. Assuming that rationality is a prerequisite factor in deciding your vote, how is that a rational position? 

Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 01:48:34 PM
"At least we know what we are getting with Hill-O-lies."

Do tell. I can't believe I actually read that post on a conservative forum. Please tell me that you are kidding. That's very much like saying you'd feel safer dealing with someone who admits that they're going to murder you and has a knife in their hand, than with someone who says that they won't and actually has at least some motivation not to murder you. Assuming that rationality is a prerequisite factor in deciding your vote, how is that a rational position? 

When your abuser tells you they promise to stop raping you year after year, yet 30 years go by and they continue to lie, still you willingly accept what you know to be another lie, why would you allow one more year?
That lie being a promise of running a Conservative, or at least sticking to Conservative principle, only to give the Dim party everything they ask for and more (Omnibus Bill), and still you willingly vote for a lib running as an (R)?

What we've been doing decade after decade is allowing insanity lead us towards socialism via the Establishment.
That ship has sailed, Conservatives are through with libs running our party, and that includes Trump, an admitted NY Lib.
Sometimes it's the Devil you know, than the one you don't that's the safer choice.

Nothing has changed.
http://newsblaze.com/thoughts/opinions/will-america-be-safe-with-bunch-of-rino-at-helm_23977/

Trump is the establishments Trojan horse.

Quote from: redsun on March 29, 2016, 03:13:04 PM
Trump is the establishments Trojan horse.

I heard it said that the rapist Bill Clinton was the one that gave Mr.Trump the idea to for for the president.If that is true then we should never vote for him.The big problem is if he makes a 3rd party.

Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on March 29, 2016, 01:48:34 PM
"At least we know what we are getting with Hill-O-lies."

Do tell. I can't believe I actually read that post on a conservative forum. Please tell me that you are kidding. That's very much like saying you'd feel safer dealing with someone who admits that they're going to murder you and has a knife in their hand, than with someone who says that they won't and actually has at least some motivation not to murder you. Assuming that rationality is a prerequisite factor in deciding your vote, how is that a rational position? 

Yes sir, you did just read it on a Conservative forum.. Now explain to me why you and others have your panties in a wad because so many Conservatives refuse to vote for *shock* a non conservative? ...