The death blow for me was this pile of horse manure last week with those Damn leftists, no matter what letter they have after their name, voting to give the Marxist Carte Blanche with the budget to import untold numbers of Syrian terrorist infiltrators.

I got to tell ya folks, a LOT of people are pissed at that one, ESPECIALLY DEMOCRATS....they wanted the money to go for "infastructure" and their pet project instead of imported Muslims. NOT A DIME FOR VETERANS!

And RUBIO committed the unpardonable sin by NOT VOTING AT ALL....for no vote is NOT a vote against it. Ted Cruz (of course) and Rand Paul voted against it along with some 50 or so Pubs.

The rest are absolute scum and traitors.

It's about who best advances the TEA-agenda forward and/or who best sustains an environment for the TEA-agenda to move forward vs. Dems and sellouts.

That's how I judge the candidates and my vote will reflect it as close as possible.  TEA is here to stay.

Quote from: Bronx on January 03, 2016, 05:14:14 PM
I'm sick and tired of my vote going to the democrats. I voted republican and we took both houses and look what happened. My vote actually strengthen Obama and his tit sucking liberals. I'm I wrong...?

You can state all you want if I don't vote for the rino it's a vote for the democrats. Well I say if I vote for the rino it's a vote for the democrats. Prove me wrong. I bet you can't. The case studies are all on my side.

We are a one party nation by taking the both houses this proved that. Now it's our job as patriots to get our nation back on track with checks and balances.

The GOP does not have both houses of Congress. They have a Senate Majority--and certainly not a Tea Majority. Depending on the issue, without 60 or 67 votes, the GOP does not have jack s--- without the White House. What did you expect them to accomplish?

Quote from: Wyatt5 on January 04, 2016, 02:46:27 AM
The GOP does not have both houses of Congress. They have a Senate Majority--and certainly not a Tea Majority. Depending on the issue, without 60 or 67 votes, the GOP does not have jack s--- without the White House. What did you expect them to accomplish?

Of course you're correct, but I think his point was that we had given the leadership a majority, and they acted more like Dims than the Dim party does.

Quote from: Wyatt5 on January 04, 2016, 02:46:27 AM
The GOP does not have both houses of Congress. They have a Senate Majority--and certainly not a Tea Majority. Depending on the issue, without 60 or 67 votes, the GOP does not have jack s--- without the White House. What did you expect them to accomplish?

You are correct in your assessment concerning the numbers in the senate. However, McConnell just rolled over and gave the democrats a pass. They could force democrats to vote and go on record, but no, McConnell just passed. Putting democrats on the record could work to the GOP's advantage in 2016 elections.

Any Republican candidate could be doing what Trump is doing and getting the kind of poll numbers that Trump is getting. All they have to do is pull their heads out of their asses and stop being afraid of their own shadows!

Quote from: Voldemort on January 04, 2016, 06:22:00 AM
Any Republican candidate could be doing what Trump is doing and getting the kind of poll numbers that Trump is getting. All they have to do is pull their heads out of their asses and stop being afraid of their own shadows!

Actually Cruz is saying that and more, but Trump is being propped up by the leftist media because they tremble at the thought of a real Conservative taking the WH.
Don't be fooled by the rhetoric, Trump has a track record as a solid lib.

Quote from: Solar on January 03, 2016, 05:59:04 PM
NO! We've been settling for the supposed to be, lesser of two evils for decades, voting for a lesser lib is still voting for a lib.

Solar - I love your passion, and Taxed, I want to see conservatives win - as I was once a Progressive/Liberal (from Madison, WI).

There are conservatives that did not vote for Reagan because of his failed marriage (Jane Wyatt) - and the logic goes like this:   "If a man cannot maintain his own family, and fail in his lifetime promise.... why should you trust him with a Presidency?   The man is a promise-breaker!   Can we trust him to protect the nation?   Look at John Anderson, the Evangelical Free - that guy isn't a promise-breaker - we don't know what that Reagan fellow would do if he got elected!   And Jimmy Carter, the Baptist with a nice smile, a humble Peanut Farmer..."
My sister argued over voting for Anderson - and she did all-the-way, because her conscience wouldn't let her vote for a divorced man.

QuoteI said, "If I can slow the leftward progression, even a little is better than giving the win to the Democratic Party."
Taxed replied: "Wrong.  This is why we got into this situation in the first place." 

Two things, maybe more, I'm trying not to put words in anyone's mouth here....

1.  It's either ALL or NOTHING with you....?    Really?   I can't think of a single Candidate I agree with 100%
Example:  Build that double fence, mine it, electrify it, and shoot every SOB who gets within 600 yards of it.   Cut off the benefits of every illegal, penalize every business that hires one, and ship them back - PERIOD.  Still can't find a Candidate that says they'll enforce the border & protect our country.   Alas..., But, Cruz will get my Primary vote -   Even though he won't fully enforce border security.

2.  The reason why politicians get away with following a minority of the populace is a. not enough people vote & b. lack of accountability.  Inside-the-beltway pressure can twist a politician's thinking (wrongly) - when the folks that elected them, ignore them.
Example:   Mark Warner is a progressive/liberal, but has an "A" rating from the NRA.   How?   Why?   Because enough Virginians keep-him-in-line about gun control.   This guy doesn't belong in the Senate, but he is.   Warner continues to take advantage of us, because conservatives are largely SILENT to rein him in.

Should I assume...  we ought to completely trust Ted Cruz to run on "auto-pilot", guided by his long standing conservative principles...  that he is immune from political pressure, are we going to make that assumption?  What happened to Justice John Roberts - was he always a LIB, or become one, or blackmailed by BO, was he largely ignored by conservatives?   John Boehner didn't start off as a Lib, we lost him.   Why isn't Robert Bork seated in the Supreme Court?   Conservative pressure can change things, much the way Prayer does.

Come the Primaries, I vote my political ideology.   Come the election, I am pragmatic, reluctantly.
... after the election is over, the letters must continue or Politicians will forget we exist...

Quote from: Hoofer on January 04, 2016, 03:24:26 PM
Solar - I love your passion, and Taxed, I want to see conservatives win - as I was once a Progressive/Liberal (from Madison, WI).

There are conservatives that did not vote for Reagan because of his failed marriage (Jane Wyatt) - and the logic goes like this:   "If a man cannot maintain his own family, and fail in his lifetime promise.... why should you trust him with a Presidency?

He took 48 states.  Need a better example.

Quote
  The man is a promise-breaker!   Can we trust him to protect the nation?   Look at John Anderson, the Evangelical Free - that guy isn't a promise-breaker - we don't know what that Reagan fellow would do if he got elected!   And Jimmy Carter, the Baptist with a nice smile, a humble Peanut Farmer..."
My sister argued over voting for Anderson - and she did all-the-way, because her conscience wouldn't let her vote for a divorced man.

Two things, maybe more, I'm trying not to put words in anyone's mouth here....

1.  It's either ALL or NOTHING with you....?    Really?

Yes.  No more Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney, etc.  Karl Rove is and has been wrong, even thought you might want to cling to the candidates he supports, like Thad Cochran.

Quote
   I can't think of a single Candidate I agree with 100%

Me neither.  Point?

Quote
Example:  Build that double fence, mine it, electrify it, and shoot every SOB who gets within 600 yards of it.   Cut off the benefits of every illegal, penalize every business that hires one, and ship them back - PERIOD.  Still can't find a Candidate that says they'll enforce the border & protect our country.   Alas..., But, Cruz will get my Primary vote -   Even though he won't fully enforce border security.

Why do you say he will not enforce border security?  Please explain.

Quote
2.  The reason why politicians get away with following a minority of the populace is a. not enough people vote & b. lack of accountability.  Inside-the-beltway pressure can twist a politician's thinking (wrongly) - when the folks that elected them, ignore them.
Example:   Mark Warner is a progressive/liberal, but has an "A" rating from the NRA.   How?   Why?   Because enough Virginians keep-him-in-line about gun control.   This guy doesn't belong in the Senate, but he is.   Warner continues to take advantage of us, because conservatives are largely SILENT to rein him in.

That's why, for example, I supported Grimes over McConnell.  This isn't an R v D thing.  I'm so sick of people not getting that.

Quote
Should I assume...  we ought to completely trust Ted Cruz to run on "auto-pilot", guided by his long standing conservative principles...  that he is immune from political pressure, are we going to make that assumption?

Ted Cruz, who led the shutdown, kept hammering the Gang of Eight with amendments to call their bluff, argued to the Supreme Court while Solicitor, etc., despite "political pressure".  You don't need to assume, because you can take it to the bank he'll stay strong and conservative, because he has proven that he will do so.  It seems insane to me that people who want to call themselves conservative would be hesitant to support a conservative.

Quote
  What happened to Justice John Roberts - was he always a LIB, or become one, or blackmailed by BO, was he largely ignored by conservatives?   John Boehner didn't start off as a Lib, we lost him.   Why isn't Robert Bork seated in the Supreme Court?   Conservative pressure can change things, much the way Prayer does.

Are you saying you don't fully agree with Boehner?  Really think about where you're coming from.

Quote from: carlb on January 03, 2016, 05:30:49 PM
I told all of you to get rid of McConnell and Boner, even if it meant replacing THEM with Democrats. I don't suggest that with any other representative, but you had to purge the Establishment leadership. If you did that, you would have completely changed the GOP for the better. You had a great choice in Bevin, but you allowed McConnel to remain.

Now you argue to make more stupid mistakes in 2016. Just don't burn your bridges by expecting perfection. The Titanic couldn't turn on a dime, and neither can the USA. Good Allah I wish there were this many foolish people in the Democrat Party. THEY know how to make slow, steady progress. If the right can't get 100% in 15 minutes they pout and storm off like little children.

Are you afraid Cruz won't win? Most of you seem to be operating from fear. At least get to summer before storming off with your childish ultimatums.

As for me, I will ALWAYS vote for the most conservative candidate that has a chance of winning -- because I'm not stupid, and I know how to win.

All that nonsense you still couldn't tell me why I should vote for a rino this time around. My vote will count my way this election.

Quote from: Hoofer on January 04, 2016, 03:24:26 PM
Solar - I love your passion, and Taxed, I want to see conservatives win - as I was once a Progressive/Liberal (from Madison, WI).

There are conservatives that did not vote for Reagan because of his failed marriage (Jane Wyatt) - and the logic goes like this:   "If a man cannot maintain his own family, and fail in his lifetime promise.... why should you trust him with a Presidency?   The man is a promise-breaker!   Can we trust him to protect the nation?   Look at John Anderson, the Evangelical Free - that guy isn't a promise-breaker - we don't know what that Reagan fellow would do if he got elected!   And Jimmy Carter, the Baptist with a nice smile, a humble Peanut Farmer..."
My sister argued over voting for Anderson - and she did all-the-way, because her conscience wouldn't let her vote for a divorced man.

You don't seriously believe that do you? He slaughtered Carter, not just beat him, but bloodied the Hell oout of the Dim party too.
And from the turnout, I don't see where anyone could claim anyone stayed home when compared to previous low turn out elections.

Two things, maybe more, I'm trying not to put words in anyone's mouth here....

Quote1.  It's either ALL or NOTHING with you....?    Really?   I can't think of a single Candidate I agree with 100%
Example:  Build that double fence, mine it, electrify it, and shoot every SOB who gets within 600 yards of it.   Cut off the benefits of every illegal, penalize every business that hires one, and ship them back - PERIOD.  Still can't find a Candidate that says they'll enforce the border & protect our country.   Alas..., But, Cruz will get my Primary vote -   Even though he won't fully enforce border security.

WTF?
Offered an amendment to prevent citizenship for those here illegally.
Offered an amendment to prevent those who entered the country illegally from having access to federal, state, or local public assistance benefits.
Sponsored an amendment to triple the size of the Border Patrol.
In April 2015, Cruz asked DHS Sec. Johnson how many criminals have been released into the country.
In April 2015, Cruz wrote a letter to HHS Sec. Burwell expressing concern over reports that many unaccompanied minors are not being properly cared for.
In March 2015, Cruz asked USCIS Sec if they are subsidizing illegal immigrants with legal immigrant fees.
In February 2015, Cruz opposed passing clean DHS bill.
In the summer and fall of 2014, Cruz proposed several measures to prevent President Obama from expanding amnesty.
Two whole pages, read it.
https://www.tedcruz.org/news/ted-cruz-a-proven-record-on-stopping-illegal-immigration/
https://www.tedcruz.org/cruz-immigration-plan/

QuoteShould I assume...  we ought to completely trust Ted Cruz to run on "auto-pilot", guided by his long standing conservative principles...  that he is immune from political pressure, are we going to make that assumption?

Yes, because he's done everything he told his constituency he would do, never backed down.

QuoteWhat happened to Justice John Roberts - was he always a LIB, or become one, or blackmailed by BO, was he largely ignored by conservatives?

Yes, he was always a so called moderate.   

QuoteJohn Boehner didn't start off as a Lib, we lost him.

Yes, he was a puppet for the leftist crony capitalists.   

QuoteWhy isn't Robert Bork seated in the Supreme Court?

Because he was Palanized by the LSM, and the GOP was spineless and made deals with leftists if he was kept off the court.

QuoteConservative pressure can change things, much the way Prayer does.

Come the Primaries, I vote my political ideology.   Come the election, I am pragmatic, reluctantly.
... after the election is over, the letters must continue or Politicians will forget we exist...

Did you learn nothing from McCONnel's reelection?

Quote from: Bronx on January 04, 2016, 04:19:45 PM
All that nonsense you still couldn't tell me why I should vote for a rino this time around. My vote will count my way this election.

BINGO!!! A vote for a RINO is a vote for the left, period.

Quote from: Bronx on January 04, 2016, 04:19:45 PM
All that nonsense you still couldn't tell me why I should vote for a rino this time around. My vote will count my way this election.

Ditto!!!!

Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
He took 48 states.  Need a better example.
Yes.  No more Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney, etc.  Karl Rove is and has been wrong, even thought you might want to cling to the candidates he supports, like Thad Cochran.
Me neither.  Point?
Why do you say he will not enforce border security?  Please explain.

That's why, for example, I supported Grimes over McConnell.  This isn't an R v D thing.  I'm so sick of people not getting that.
Ted Cruz, who led the shutdown, kept hammering the Gang of Eight with amendments to call their bluff, argued to the Supreme Court while Solicitor, etc., despite "political pressure".  You don't need to assume, because you can take it to the bank he'll stay strong and conservative, because he has proven that he will do so.  It seems insane to me that people who want to call themselves conservative would be hesitant to support a conservative.

Are you saying you don't fully agree with Boehner?  Really think about where you're coming from.

And there it is!!! Any vote for an Establishment guy, just as well have been a vote for Obama.

Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
He took 48 states.  Need a better example.

Correction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980
Reagan took 44 states and 50.8% of the popular vote, Carter took 6 states and 41%, Anderson took 0 states, but 6.6% of the popular vote.  I gave you an example, and the single issue logic of my sister - sorry.

Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
Yes.  No more Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney, etc.  Karl Rove is and has been wrong, even thought you might want to cling to the candidates he supports, like Thad Cochran.

Not much of a Karl Rove fan, and don't know anything about Thad Cochran - or is that Thad Cockroach...?

QuoteI said:  I can't think of a single Candidate I agree with 100%
Taxed said: Me neither.  Point?

(this is my point, the example for context - my point follows)
Example:  Build that double fence, mine it, electrify it, and shoot every SOB who gets within 600 yards of it.   Cut off the benefits of every illegal, penalize every business that hires one, and ship them back - PERIOD.  Still can't find a Candidate that says they'll enforce the border & protect our country.   Alas..., But, Cruz will get my Primary vote -   Even though he won't fully enforce border security.

Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
Why do you say he will not enforce border security?  Please explain.

Point: I know what I want in border security, NOBODY gets through, no people, no drugs - security like the Berlin wall.   NOBODY has come close to convincing me that will happen, not Cruz, Carson, Trump, Christie, etc., etc.   Knuckle-head politicians passed and signed legislation to BUILD a wall - I thought it was to seal-a-border, but, I guess it actually meant a few hundred miles.   Talk is Cheap.   Have you heard a shoot-to-kill-invaders-proposal to the border patrol, from ANY of the Candidates?   Are they really serious about America's security - to completely change the dynamics at the border, caught & deported -OR- dispatched for buzzards?    Although Ted Cruz isn't perfect (90% agreement with me), his negatives are negligible, and is by far the best choice for me.   I'd much rather take that 90% agreement, than 90% disagreement of Bernie, Hillary or whoever.

Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
That's why, for example, I supported Grimes over McConnell.  This isn't an R v D thing.  I'm so sick of people not getting that.

Sorry if I sound a bit confused, wasn't there a write-in candidate instead of these two?

Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
Ted Cruz, who led the shutdown, kept hammering the Gang of Eight with amendments to call their bluff, argued to the Supreme Court while Solicitor, etc., despite "political pressure".  You don't need to assume, because you can take it to the bank he'll stay strong and conservative, because he has proven that he will do so.  It seems insane to me that people who want to call themselves conservative would be hesitant to support a conservative.

I do not TRUST politicians - Cruz is exceptional, and already has my support - but, it's not going to end with an election.   No, it really seems insane a man who espouses conservative values right up to the moment he's elected, can become so liberal, we can't recognize him/her voting record.   If we don't support them AFTER they get into office, encourage them, and hold them accountable ... we're probably going to be disappointed.

Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
Are you saying you don't fully agree with Boehner?  Really think about where you're coming from.

Lost me there, Taxed...   John Boehner, in my recollection of the 1990s, he still had a spine and nads - now he's BO's lapdog.