For years we have bitched about the GOP'e forcing their candidate down our throats, and the last several elections people vowed to never vote for another, Calls of "No more RINO".
The GOP'e said, give us the house, and we'll stop Commiecare, we gave it to them in 2010, they stabbed us in the back and the cries of "No more RINO" echoed once again.
Again the GOP'e claimed that if we gave them both Houses they would stop Commiecare, and the bastards twisted the blade and laughed as they gave the Marxists all they demanded.
And once more, the cries went out "No more RINO"
This election there are two candidates running in the lead with the rest a distant third, the choice is between a proven Conservative, something we've all been praying for, while the other is a proven lib with a track record to back it up.
Basically the quintessential RINO, only this time he actually comes from the left.
So, just how fed up are you? Or will you be joining the chorus during the 2018 primary screaming, "No more RINO"!!!
Quote from: Solar on January 03, 2016, 11:38:30 AM
For years we have bitched about the GOP'e forcing their candidate down our throats, and the last several elections people vowed to never vote for another, Calls of "No more RINO".
The GOP'e said, give us the house, and we'll stop Commiecare, we gave it to them in 2010, they stabbed us in the back and the cries of "No more RINO" echoed once again.
Again the GOP'e claimed that if we gave them both Houses they would stop Commiecare, and the bastards twisted the blade and laughed as they gave the Marxists all they demanded.
And once more, the cries went out "No more RINO"
This election there are two candidates running in the lead with the rest a distant third, the choice is between a proven Conservative, something we've all been praying for, while the other is a proven lib with a track record to back it up.
Basically the quintessential RINO, only this time he actually comes from the left.
So, just how fed up are you? Or will you be joining the chorus during the 2018 primary screaming, "No more RINO"!!!
Well IF I am alive, I will be joining the chorus screaming, "No more RINO"!!! As we need to boot all of the RINO's in the House and Senate, in DC and each state.
Quote from: walkstall on January 03, 2016, 11:52:02 AM
Well IF I am alive, I will be joining the chorus screaming, "No more RINO"!!! As we need to boot all of the RINO's in the House and Senate, in DC and each state.
Yep, I only dwell in RINO free zones now!
I will only vote for Cruz -- either at the box, or write-in. Period. The GOP will NEVER get my vote. I wish more people would quit living under the illusion that the GOP wants to win.
If you are going to vote for a RINO, like Trump, or Rubio, then you are an enemy of our Republic and our country, and shame on you.
Quote from: taxed on January 03, 2016, 12:32:36 PM
I will only vote for Cruz -- either at the box, or write-in. Period. The GOP will NEVER get my vote. I wish more people would quit living under the illusion that the GOP wants to win.
If you are going to vote for a RINO, like Trump, or Rubio, then you are an enemy of our Republic and our country, and shame on you.
Couldn't agree more!
Well, that'll get you the country you want! (Comic Sans is the sarcasm font).
Everybody's a rinio. Now, even Trey Gowdy. Sorry, but I don't agree. If given the choice again between Rubio and Crist, I wouldn't hesitate for an instant to vote for Rubio. There are no PERFECT candidates. We make CHOICES. If it's Trump vs Hillary, guess who gets my vote? You've already told us YOUR choice is Hillary (by not voting or doing your silly little write in). Welcome to Jeb's way of thinking.
You have the primaries to make your case for your candidate. Blame yourself if you can't win anybody over.
Come the Primaries, I vote my political ideology.
Come the election, I am pragmatic, reluctantly...
If I can slow the leftward progression, even a little is better than giving the win to the Democratic Party.
Should Cruz not win the primary and drops out saying, "Our best hope for the Republic is Donald Trump instead of Hillary Clinton - please, cast your vote for him." Still going to write-in Cruz? If Trump picked Cruz as his VP?
"All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God" - there is no perfect candidate, IMO, Jesus Christ is not on the ballot.
Rick Santorum has his supporters, and he's gonna keep plodding along at 2%, trying to influence the party - wishful thinking!
Really, Solar... we haven't even had the first primary vote, and Cruz is LEADING in the pols in Iowa - there is a hell-of-a-lot that can happen after that! Aren't you suppose to be on a "Honeymoon" or something?
Quote from: carlb on January 03, 2016, 01:34:16 PM
Well, that'll get you the country you want! (Comic Sans is the sarcasm font).
Everybody's a rinio.
Wrong. Try not to say dumb things.
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Now, even Trey Gowdy.
Now? And "even"?
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Sorry, but I don't agree.
You're a liberal. That's no secret.
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If given the choice again between Rubio and Crist, I wouldn't hesitate for an instant to vote for Rubio.
I believe you.
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There are no PERFECT candidates.
Correct.
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We make CHOICES. If it's Trump vs Hillary, guess who gets my vote?
I'm sure either Hillary or Trump.
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You've already told us YOUR choice is Hillary (by not voting or doing your silly little write in). Welcome to Jeb's way of thinking.
No. I'm voting for the conservative.
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You have the primaries to make your case for your candidate. Blame yourself if you can't win anybody over.
Meanwhile, you give aid and comfort to the enemy. No thanks.
I'm sick and tired of my vote going to the democrats. I voted republican and we took both houses and look what happened. My vote actually strengthen Obama and his tit sucking liberals. I'm I wrong...?
You can state all you want if I don't vote for the rino it's a vote for the democrats. Well I say if I vote for the rino it's a vote for the democrats. Prove me wrong. I bet you can't. The case studies are all on my side.
We are a one party nation by taking the both houses this proved that. Now it's our job as patriots to get our nation back on track with checks and balances.
Quote from: Bronx on January 03, 2016, 05:14:14 PM
I'm sick and tired of my vote going to the democrats. I voted republican and we took both houses and look what happened. My vote actually strengthen Obama and his tit sucking liberals. I'm I wrong...?
You can state all you want if I don't vote for the rino it's a vote for the democrats. Well I say if I vote for the rino it's a vote for the democrats. Prove me wrong. I bet you can't. The case studies are all on my side.
We are a one party nation by taking the both houses this proved that. Now it's our job as patriots to get our nation back on track with checks and balances.
I told all of you to get rid of McConnell and Boner, even if it meant replacing THEM with Democrats. I don't suggest that with any other representative, but you had to purge the Establishment leadership. If you did that, you would have completely changed the GOP for the better. You had a great choice in Bevin, but you allowed McConnel to remain.
Now you argue to make more stupid mistakes in 2016. Just don't burn your bridges by expecting perfection. The Titanic couldn't turn on a dime, and neither can the USA. Good Allah I wish there were this many foolish people in the Democrat Party. THEY know how to make slow, steady progress. If the right can't get 100% in 15 minutes they pout and storm off like little children.
Are you afraid Cruz won't win? Most of you seem to be operating from fear. At least get to summer before storming off with your childish ultimatums.
As for me, I will ALWAYS vote for the most conservative candidate that has a chance of winning -- because I'm not stupid, and I know how to win.
Quote from: carlb on January 03, 2016, 05:30:49 PM
I told all of you to get rid of McConnell and Boner, even if it meant replacing THEM with Democrats. I don't suggest that with any other representative, but you had to purge the Establishment leadership. If you did that, you would have completely changed the GOP for the better. You had a great choice in Bevin, but you allowed McConnel to remain.
Now you argue to make more stupid mistakes in 2016. Just don't burn your bridges by expecting perfection. The Titanic couldn't turn on a dime, and neither can the USA. Good Allah I wish there were this many foolish people in the Democrat Party. THEY know how to make slow, steady progress. If the right can't get 100% in 15 minutes they pout and storm off like little children.
Are you afraid Cruz won't win? Most of you seem to be operating from fear. At least get to summer before storming off with your childish ultimatums.
As for me, I will ALWAYS vote for the most conservative candidate that has a chance of winning -- because I'm not stupid, and I know how to win.
Can you please explain where you got this idiocy?
Quote from: carlb on January 03, 2016, 01:34:16 PM
Well, that'll get you the country you want! (Comic Sans is the sarcasm font).
Everybody's a rinio. Now, even Trey Gowdy. Sorry, but I don't agree. If given the choice again between Rubio and Crist, I wouldn't hesitate for an instant to vote for Rubio. There are no PERFECT candidates. We make CHOICES. If it's Trump vs Hillary, guess who gets my vote? You've already told us YOUR choice is Hillary (by not voting or doing your silly little write in). Welcome to Jeb's way of thinking.
You have the primaries to make your case for your candidate. Blame yourself if you can't win anybody over.
Seriously, what's the difference in a RINO and Hillary?
I'm done with Libs in the GOP, and if Trump were to, by some freak miracle win the primary, I'd still write in Cruz.
Quote from: Hoofer on January 03, 2016, 02:14:45 PM
Come the Primaries, I vote my political ideology.
Come the election, I am pragmatic, reluctantly...
If I can slow the leftward progression, even a little is better than giving the win to the Democratic Party.
NO! We've been settling for the supposed to be, lesser of two evils for decades, voting for a lesser lib is still voting for a lib.
QuoteShould Cruz not win the primary and drops out saying, "Our best hope for the Republic is Donald Trump instead of Hillary Clinton - please, cast your vote for him." Still going to write-in Cruz? If Trump picked Cruz as his VP?
"All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God" - there is no perfect candidate, IMO, Jesus Christ is not on the ballot.
Rick Santorum has his supporters, and he's gonna keep plodding along at 2%, trying to influence the party - wishful thinking!
It's not going to happen, Cruz WILL be the next POTUS, that's that.
QuoteReally, Solar... we haven't even had the first primary vote, and Cruz is LEADING in the pols in Iowa - there is a hell-of-a-lot that can happen after that!
Like what, Trump droppong flat on his face in the polls after New Hampshire? Yeah, that will happen, because New Hampshire is a closed primary state, and his lib support will virtually disappear.
QuoteAren't you suppose to be on a "Honeymoon" or something?
Why? We live in the most beautiful place in the US, besides, we've been together 7 years, no need to run off some place quiet, we live in tranquility.
Quote from: Hoofer on January 03, 2016, 02:14:45 PM
Come the Primaries, I vote my political ideology.
Come the election, I am pragmatic, reluctantly...
If I can slow the leftward progression, even a little is better than giving the win to the Democratic Party.
Should Cruz not win the primary and drops out saying, "Our best hope for the Republic is Donald Trump instead of Hillary Clinton - please, cast your vote for him." Still going to write-in Cruz? If Trump picked Cruz as his VP?
"All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God" - there is no perfect candidate, IMO, Jesus Christ is not on the ballot.
Rick Santorum has his supporters, and he's gonna keep plodding along at 2%, trying to influence the party - wishful thinking!
Really, Solar... we haven't even had the first primary vote, and Cruz is LEADING in the pols in Iowa - there is a hell-of-a-lot that can happen after that! Aren't you suppose to be on a "Honeymoon" or something?
Wrong. This is why we got into this situation in the first place.
Quote from: taxed on January 03, 2016, 06:01:03 PM
Wrong. This is why we got into this situation in the first place.
Another example of why Trump is the wrong guy.
Trump: Sister who defended partial-birth abortion a potential SCOTUS nominee
In an interview with Bloomberg Politics, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump responded to a question about his sister, senior
Third Circuit Judge Maryanne Trump Barry, by saying she would make "one of the best" Supreme Court Justicehttp://liveactionnews.org/trump-sister-defended-partial-birth-abortion-potential-scotus-nominee/
The death blow for me was this pile of horse manure last week with those Damn leftists, no matter what letter they have after their name, voting to give the Marxist Carte Blanche with the budget to import untold numbers of Syrian terrorist infiltrators.
I got to tell ya folks, a LOT of people are pissed at that one, ESPECIALLY DEMOCRATS....they wanted the money to go for "infastructure" and their pet project instead of imported Muslims. NOT A DIME FOR VETERANS!
And RUBIO committed the unpardonable sin by NOT VOTING AT ALL....for no vote is NOT a vote against it. Ted Cruz (of course) and Rand Paul voted against it along with some 50 or so Pubs.
The rest are absolute scum and traitors.
It's about who best advances the TEA-agenda forward and/or who best sustains an environment for the TEA-agenda to move forward vs. Dems and sellouts.
That's how I judge the candidates and my vote will reflect it as close as possible. TEA is here to stay.
Quote from: Bronx on January 03, 2016, 05:14:14 PM
I'm sick and tired of my vote going to the democrats. I voted republican and we took both houses and look what happened. My vote actually strengthen Obama and his tit sucking liberals. I'm I wrong...?
You can state all you want if I don't vote for the rino it's a vote for the democrats. Well I say if I vote for the rino it's a vote for the democrats. Prove me wrong. I bet you can't. The case studies are all on my side.
We are a one party nation by taking the both houses this proved that. Now it's our job as patriots to get our nation back on track with checks and balances.
The GOP does not have both houses of Congress. They have a Senate Majority--and certainly not a Tea Majority. Depending on the issue, without 60 or 67 votes, the GOP does not have jack s--- without the White House. What did you expect them to accomplish?
Quote from: Wyatt5 on January 04, 2016, 02:46:27 AM
The GOP does not have both houses of Congress. They have a Senate Majority--and certainly not a Tea Majority. Depending on the issue, without 60 or 67 votes, the GOP does not have jack s--- without the White House. What did you expect them to accomplish?
Of course you're correct, but I think his point was that we had given the leadership a majority, and they acted more like Dims than the Dim party does.
Quote from: Wyatt5 on January 04, 2016, 02:46:27 AM
The GOP does not have both houses of Congress. They have a Senate Majority--and certainly not a Tea Majority. Depending on the issue, without 60 or 67 votes, the GOP does not have jack s--- without the White House. What did you expect them to accomplish?
You are correct in your assessment concerning the numbers in the senate. However, McConnell just rolled over and gave the democrats a pass. They could force democrats to vote and go on record, but no, McConnell just passed. Putting democrats on the record could work to the GOP's advantage in 2016 elections.
Any Republican candidate could be doing what Trump is doing and getting the kind of poll numbers that Trump is getting. All they have to do is pull their heads out of their asses and stop being afraid of their own shadows!
Quote from: Voldemort on January 04, 2016, 06:22:00 AM
Any Republican candidate could be doing what Trump is doing and getting the kind of poll numbers that Trump is getting. All they have to do is pull their heads out of their asses and stop being afraid of their own shadows!
Actually Cruz is saying that and more, but Trump is being propped up by the leftist media because they tremble at the thought of a real Conservative taking the WH.
Don't be fooled by the rhetoric, Trump has a track record as a solid lib.
Quote from: Solar on January 03, 2016, 05:59:04 PM
NO! We've been settling for the supposed to be, lesser of two evils for decades, voting for a lesser lib is still voting for a lib.
Solar - I love your passion, and Taxed, I want to see conservatives win - as I was once a Progressive/Liberal (from Madison, WI).
There are
conservatives that did not vote for Reagan because of his failed marriage (Jane Wyatt) - and the logic goes like this: "If a man cannot maintain his own family, and fail in his lifetime promise.... why should you trust him with a Presidency? The man is a promise-breaker! Can we trust him to protect the nation? Look at
John Anderson, the Evangelical Free - that guy isn't a promise-breaker - we don't know what that Reagan fellow would do if he got elected! And
Jimmy Carter, the Baptist with a nice smile, a humble Peanut Farmer..."
My sister argued over voting for Anderson - and she did all-the-way, because her conscience wouldn't let her vote for a divorced man.
QuoteI said, "If I can slow the leftward progression, even a little is better than giving the win to the Democratic Party."
Taxed replied: "Wrong. This is why we got into this situation in the first place."
Two things, maybe more, I'm trying not to put words in anyone's mouth here....
1. It's either ALL or NOTHING with you....? Really?
I can't think of a single Candidate I agree with 100%Example: Build that double fence, mine it, electrify it, and shoot every SOB who gets within 600 yards of it. Cut off the benefits of every illegal, penalize every business that hires one, and ship them back - PERIOD. Still can't find a Candidate that says they'll enforce the border & protect our country. Alas..., But, Cruz will get my Primary vote - Even though he won't
fully enforce border security.
2. The reason why politicians get away with following a minority of the populace is a. not enough people vote & b. lack of accountability. Inside-the-beltway pressure can twist a politician's thinking (wrongly) - when the folks that elected them,
ignore them.
Example:
Mark Warner is a progressive/liberal, but has an "A" rating from the NRA. How? Why? Because enough Virginians keep-him-in-line about gun control.
This guy doesn't belong in the Senate, but he is. Warner continues to take advantage of us, because
conservatives are largely SILENT to rein him in. Should I assume... we ought to completely trust Ted Cruz to run on "auto-pilot", guided by his long standing conservative principles... that he is immune from political pressure, are we going to make that assumption? What happened to Justice John Roberts - was he always a LIB, or become one, or blackmailed by BO, was he largely ignored by conservatives? John Boehner didn't start off as a Lib,
we lost him. Why isn't Robert Bork seated in the Supreme Court?
Conservative pressure can change things, much the way Prayer does.Come the Primaries, I vote my political ideology. Come the election, I am pragmatic, reluctantly.
... after the election is over, the letters must continue or Politicians will forget we exist...
Quote from: Hoofer on January 04, 2016, 03:24:26 PM
Solar - I love your passion, and Taxed, I want to see conservatives win - as I was once a Progressive/Liberal (from Madison, WI).
There are conservatives that did not vote for Reagan because of his failed marriage (Jane Wyatt) - and the logic goes like this: "If a man cannot maintain his own family, and fail in his lifetime promise.... why should you trust him with a Presidency?
He took 48 states. Need a better example.
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The man is a promise-breaker! Can we trust him to protect the nation? Look at John Anderson, the Evangelical Free - that guy isn't a promise-breaker - we don't know what that Reagan fellow would do if he got elected! And Jimmy Carter, the Baptist with a nice smile, a humble Peanut Farmer..."
My sister argued over voting for Anderson - and she did all-the-way, because her conscience wouldn't let her vote for a divorced man.
Two things, maybe more, I'm trying not to put words in anyone's mouth here....
1. It's either ALL or NOTHING with you....? Really?
Yes. No more Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney, etc. Karl Rove is and has been wrong, even thought you might want to cling to the candidates he supports, like Thad Cochran.
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I can't think of a single Candidate I agree with 100%
Me neither. Point?
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Example: Build that double fence, mine it, electrify it, and shoot every SOB who gets within 600 yards of it. Cut off the benefits of every illegal, penalize every business that hires one, and ship them back - PERIOD. Still can't find a Candidate that says they'll enforce the border & protect our country. Alas..., But, Cruz will get my Primary vote - Even though he won't fully enforce border security.
Why do you say he will not enforce border security? Please explain.
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2. The reason why politicians get away with following a minority of the populace is a. not enough people vote & b. lack of accountability. Inside-the-beltway pressure can twist a politician's thinking (wrongly) - when the folks that elected them, ignore them.
Example: Mark Warner is a progressive/liberal, but has an "A" rating from the NRA. How? Why? Because enough Virginians keep-him-in-line about gun control. This guy doesn't belong in the Senate, but he is. Warner continues to take advantage of us, because conservatives are largely SILENT to rein him in.
That's why, for example, I supported Grimes over McConnell. This isn't an R v D thing. I'm so sick of people not getting that.
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Should I assume... we ought to completely trust Ted Cruz to run on "auto-pilot", guided by his long standing conservative principles... that he is immune from political pressure, are we going to make that assumption?
Ted Cruz, who led the shutdown, kept hammering the Gang of Eight with amendments to call their bluff, argued to the Supreme Court while Solicitor, etc., despite "political pressure". You don't need to assume, because you can take it to the bank he'll stay strong and conservative, because he has proven that he will do so. It seems insane to me that people who want to call themselves conservative would be hesitant to support a conservative.
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What happened to Justice John Roberts - was he always a LIB, or become one, or blackmailed by BO, was he largely ignored by conservatives? John Boehner didn't start off as a Lib, we lost him. Why isn't Robert Bork seated in the Supreme Court? Conservative pressure can change things, much the way Prayer does.
Are you saying you don't fully agree with Boehner? Really think about where you're coming from.
Quote from: carlb on January 03, 2016, 05:30:49 PM
I told all of you to get rid of McConnell and Boner, even if it meant replacing THEM with Democrats. I don't suggest that with any other representative, but you had to purge the Establishment leadership. If you did that, you would have completely changed the GOP for the better. You had a great choice in Bevin, but you allowed McConnel to remain.
Now you argue to make more stupid mistakes in 2016. Just don't burn your bridges by expecting perfection. The Titanic couldn't turn on a dime, and neither can the USA. Good Allah I wish there were this many foolish people in the Democrat Party. THEY know how to make slow, steady progress. If the right can't get 100% in 15 minutes they pout and storm off like little children.
Are you afraid Cruz won't win? Most of you seem to be operating from fear. At least get to summer before storming off with your childish ultimatums.
As for me, I will ALWAYS vote for the most conservative candidate that has a chance of winning -- because I'm not stupid, and I know how to win.
All that nonsense you still couldn't tell me why I should vote for a rino this time around. My vote will count my way this election.
Quote from: Hoofer on January 04, 2016, 03:24:26 PM
Solar - I love your passion, and Taxed, I want to see conservatives win - as I was once a Progressive/Liberal (from Madison, WI).
There are conservatives that did not vote for Reagan because of his failed marriage (Jane Wyatt) - and the logic goes like this: "If a man cannot maintain his own family, and fail in his lifetime promise.... why should you trust him with a Presidency? The man is a promise-breaker! Can we trust him to protect the nation? Look at John Anderson, the Evangelical Free - that guy isn't a promise-breaker - we don't know what that Reagan fellow would do if he got elected! And Jimmy Carter, the Baptist with a nice smile, a humble Peanut Farmer..."
My sister argued over voting for Anderson - and she did all-the-way, because her conscience wouldn't let her vote for a divorced man.
You don't seriously believe that do you? He slaughtered Carter, not just beat him, but bloodied the Hell oout of the Dim party too.
And from the turnout, I don't see where anyone could claim anyone stayed home when compared to previous low turn out elections.
Two things, maybe more, I'm trying not to put words in anyone's mouth here....
Quote1. It's either ALL or NOTHING with you....? Really? I can't think of a single Candidate I agree with 100%
Example: Build that double fence, mine it, electrify it, and shoot every SOB who gets within 600 yards of it. Cut off the benefits of every illegal, penalize every business that hires one, and ship them back - PERIOD. Still can't find a Candidate that says they'll enforce the border & protect our country. Alas..., But, Cruz will get my Primary vote - Even though he won't fully enforce border security.
WTF?
Offered an amendment to prevent citizenship for those here illegally.
Offered an amendment to prevent those who entered the country illegally from having access to federal, state, or local public assistance benefits.
Sponsored an amendment to triple the size of the Border Patrol.
In April 2015, Cruz asked DHS Sec. Johnson how many criminals have been released into the country.
In April 2015, Cruz wrote a letter to HHS Sec. Burwell expressing concern over reports that many unaccompanied minors are not being properly cared for.
In March 2015, Cruz asked USCIS Sec if they are subsidizing illegal immigrants with legal immigrant fees.
In February 2015, Cruz opposed passing clean DHS bill.
In the summer and fall of 2014, Cruz proposed several measures to prevent President Obama from expanding amnesty.
Two whole pages, read it.
https://www.tedcruz.org/news/ted-cruz-a-proven-record-on-stopping-illegal-immigration/
https://www.tedcruz.org/cruz-immigration-plan/
QuoteShould I assume... we ought to completely trust Ted Cruz to run on "auto-pilot", guided by his long standing conservative principles... that he is immune from political pressure, are we going to make that assumption?
Yes, because he's done everything he told his constituency he would do, never backed down.
QuoteWhat happened to Justice John Roberts - was he always a LIB, or become one, or blackmailed by BO, was he largely ignored by conservatives?
Yes, he was always a so called moderate.
QuoteJohn Boehner didn't start off as a Lib, we lost him.
Yes, he was a puppet for the leftist crony capitalists.
QuoteWhy isn't Robert Bork seated in the Supreme Court?
Because he was Palanized by the LSM, and the GOP was spineless and made deals with leftists if he was kept off the court.
QuoteConservative pressure can change things, much the way Prayer does.
Come the Primaries, I vote my political ideology. Come the election, I am pragmatic, reluctantly.
... after the election is over, the letters must continue or Politicians will forget we exist...
Did you learn nothing from McCONnel's reelection?
Quote from: Bronx on January 04, 2016, 04:19:45 PM
All that nonsense you still couldn't tell me why I should vote for a rino this time around. My vote will count my way this election.
BINGO!!! A vote for a RINO is a vote for the left, period.
Quote from: Bronx on January 04, 2016, 04:19:45 PM
All that nonsense you still couldn't tell me why I should vote for a rino this time around. My vote will count my way this election.
Ditto!!!!
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
He took 48 states. Need a better example.
Yes. No more Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney, etc. Karl Rove is and has been wrong, even thought you might want to cling to the candidates he supports, like Thad Cochran.
Me neither. Point?
Why do you say he will not enforce border security? Please explain.
That's why, for example, I supported Grimes over McConnell. This isn't an R v D thing. I'm so sick of people not getting that.
Ted Cruz, who led the shutdown, kept hammering the Gang of Eight with amendments to call their bluff, argued to the Supreme Court while Solicitor, etc., despite "political pressure". You don't need to assume, because you can take it to the bank he'll stay strong and conservative, because he has proven that he will do so. It seems insane to me that people who want to call themselves conservative would be hesitant to support a conservative.
Are you saying you don't fully agree with Boehner? Really think about where you're coming from.
And there it is!!! Any vote for an Establishment guy, just as well have been a vote for Obama.
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
He took 48 states. Need a better example.
Correction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980
Reagan took 44 states and 50.8% of the popular vote, Carter took 6 states and 41%, Anderson took 0 states, but 6.6% of the popular vote. I gave you an example, and the single issue logic of my sister - sorry.
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
Yes. No more Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney, etc. Karl Rove is and has been wrong, even thought you might want to cling to the candidates he supports, like Thad Cochran.
Not much of a Karl Rove fan, and don't know anything about Thad Cochran - or is that Thad Cockroach...?
QuoteI said: I can't think of a single Candidate I agree with 100%
Taxed said: Me neither. Point?
(this is my point, the example for context - my point follows)
Example: Build that double fence, mine it, electrify it, and shoot every SOB who gets within 600 yards of it. Cut off the benefits of every illegal, penalize every business that hires one, and ship them back - PERIOD. Still can't find a Candidate that says they'll enforce the border & protect our country. Alas..., But, Cruz will get my Primary vote - Even though he won't fully enforce border security.
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
Why do you say he will not enforce border security? Please explain.
Point: I know what I want in border security, NOBODY gets through, no people, no drugs - security like the Berlin wall. NOBODY has come close to convincing me that will happen, not Cruz, Carson, Trump, Christie, etc., etc. Knuckle-head politicians passed and signed legislation to BUILD a wall - I thought it was to seal-a-border, but, I guess it actually meant a few hundred miles.
Talk is Cheap. Have you heard a shoot-to-kill-invaders-proposal to the border patrol, from ANY of the Candidates? Are they really serious about America's security -
to completely change the dynamics at the border,
caught & deported -OR-
dispatched for buzzards? Although Ted Cruz isn't perfect (90% agreement with me), his negatives are negligible, and is by far the best choice for me. I'd much rather take that 90% agreement, than 90% disagreement of Bernie, Hillary or whoever.
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
That's why, for example, I supported Grimes over McConnell. This isn't an R v D thing. I'm so sick of people not getting that.
Sorry if I sound a bit confused, wasn't there
a write-in candidate instead of these two?
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
Ted Cruz, who led the shutdown, kept hammering the Gang of Eight with amendments to call their bluff, argued to the Supreme Court while Solicitor, etc., despite "political pressure". You don't need to assume, because you can take it to the bank he'll stay strong and conservative, because he has proven that he will do so. It seems insane to me that people who want to call themselves conservative would be hesitant to support a conservative.
I do not TRUST politicians - Cruz is exceptional, and already has my support - but, it's not going to end with an election.
No, it really seems insane a man who espouses conservative values right up to the moment he's elected, can become so liberal, we can't recognize him/her voting record. If we don't support them AFTER they get into office, encourage them, and hold them accountable ... we're probably going to be disappointed.
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
Are you saying you don't fully agree with Boehner? Really think about where you're coming from.
Lost me there, Taxed... John Boehner, in my recollection of the 1990s, he still had a spine and nads - now he's BO's lapdog.
Solar - with all due respect, I've yet to read any border security proposal that stops the invaders cold.
Quote from: Hoofer on January 04, 2016, 07:48:06 PM
Solar - with all due respect, I've yet to read any border security proposal that stops the invaders cold.
Did you read the links I posted to you?
He clearly states following the law, and if you knew the law, you would know that means keeping every illegal out of the country, no exceptions...
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2016, 07:50:19 PM
Did you read the links I posted to you?
He clearly states following the law, and if you knew the law, you would know that means keeping every illegal out of the country, no exceptions...
What is it that people don't under stand about following the law(s). Enforce the laws we have! What so damn hard about that!! This has been going on for over 50 years that I know, it will not all change with one NEW law in 24hrs.
Quote from: walkstall on January 04, 2016, 08:01:43 PM
What is it that people don't under stand about following the law(s). Enforce the laws we have! What so damn hard about that!! This has been going on for over 50 years that I know, it will not all change with one NEW law in 24hrs.
Yep, we don't need more damned laws, just enforce the ones we have, and that's what Cruz said he'll do, and by God, I believe him.
That's the beauty of his plan, Congress won't be able to stop him, since the laws are already in place.
Quote from: Hoofer on January 04, 2016, 07:36:39 PM
Correction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980
Reagan took 44 states and 50.8% of the popular vote, Carter took 6 states and 41%, Anderson took 0 states, but 6.6% of the popular vote. I gave you an example, and the single issue logic of my sister - sorry.
I got mixed up with 1984... and was still wrong: he took 49. I think you get the point that Reagan, the conservative who wasn't electable, had turnout.
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Not much of a Karl Rove fan, and don't know anything about Thad Cochran - or is that Thad Cockroach...?
Does it matter? In your own words, you'd vote for him over a Democrat, just to slow them down.
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(this is my point, the example for context - my point follows)
Example: Build that double fence, mine it, electrify it, and shoot every SOB who gets within 600 yards of it. Cut off the benefits of every illegal, penalize every business that hires one, and ship them back - PERIOD. Still can't find a Candidate that says they'll enforce the border & protect our country. Alas..., But, Cruz will get my Primary vote - Even though he won't fully enforce border security.
I'm quite certain with technology, a wall, enforcement, etc., we can pretty much put the issue to bed. I'd love to pick them off at the border as well, but the security-strong candidates NOT running on that doesn't mean they're not serious about the border. That's just silly, and you know that.
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Point: I know what I want in border security, NOBODY gets through, no people, no drugs - security like the Berlin wall. NOBODY has come close to convincing me that will happen, not Cruz, Carson, Trump, Christie, etc., etc. Knuckle-head politicians passed and signed legislation to BUILD a wall - I thought it was to seal-a-border, but, I guess it actually meant a few hundred miles. Talk is Cheap. Have you heard a shoot-to-kill-invaders-proposal to the border patrol, from ANY of the Candidates? Are they really serious about America's security - to completely change the dynamics at the border, caught & deported -OR- dispatched for buzzards? Although Ted Cruz isn't perfect (90% agreement with me), his negatives are negligible, and is by far the best choice for me. I'd much rather take that 90% agreement, than 90% disagreement of Bernie, Hillary or whoever.
Then what in the hell are we talking about???
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Sorry if I sound a bit confused, wasn't there a write-in candidate instead of these two?
Not sure. I don't live in Kentucky, and she seemed to have the best chance to knock off the RINO. I'd rather have Grimes in over McConnell, and she had a better chance to knock off one of the most entrenched RINOs than someone who I can't remember that had zero shot.
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I do not TRUST politicians - Cruz is exceptional, and already has my support - but, it's not going to end with an election. No, it really seems insane a man who espouses conservative values right up to the moment he's elected, can become so liberal, we can't recognize him/her voting record. If we don't support them AFTER they get into office, encourage them, and hold them accountable ... we're probably going to be disappointed.
Why would you assume otherwise? Cruz will be strong, but will need support still.
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Lost me there, Taxed... John Boehner, in my recollection of the 1990s, he still had a spine and nads - now he's BO's lapdog.
If you're intentionally trying to confuse me, then mission accomplished.
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2016, 08:18:13 PM
Yep, we don't need more damned laws, just enforce the ones we have, and that's what Cruz said he'll do, and by God, I believe him.
That's the beauty of his plan, Congress won't be able to stop him, since the laws are already in place.
And that my friend is exactly what scares the crap out of the liberal democrats. The laws of the United States of American.
Quote from: Bronx on January 05, 2016, 06:23:11 AM
And that my friend is exactly what scares the crap out of the liberal democrats. The laws of the United States of American.
I heard Christie say today we need to change America. I am sick and tired of pols saying we need to change something. As Solar posted there is no need for any change. Just govern by the Constitution.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 05, 2016, 08:31:09 AM
I heard Christie say today we need to change America. I am sick and tired of pols saying we need to change something. As Solar posted there is no need for any change. Just govern by the Constitution.
That statement alone gave up Christie as a RINO.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 05, 2016, 08:31:09 AM
I heard Christie say today we need to change America. I am sick and tired of pols saying we need to change something. As Solar posted there is no need for any change. Just govern by the Constitution.
LOL...Didn't the Marxist say that very same thing, and look how that turned out.
Stupid RINO, they'll never get it, it was their policy that got us in the mess in the first place.
I agree with Christi, change America by getting rid of the illegals, refugees, liberals in their various forms and other vermin as required.
Quote from: tac on January 05, 2016, 11:29:57 AM
I agree with Christi, change America by getting rid of the illegals, refugees, liberals in their various forms and other vermin as required.
I don't think that is really what he has in mind!! :rolleyes:
Open ended "change" is an unknown commodity!
Quote from: Solar on January 04, 2016, 07:50:19 PM
Did you read the links I posted to you?
He clearly states following the law, and if you knew the law, you would know that means keeping every illegal out of the country, no exceptions...
Of course I followed and read both links, apprehension of criminal trespassers and shooting them dead (with immunity), aka Berlin, Germany, is
not quite the same. We don't need to fill up the jails & tie up the courts, when bullets
can quickly change the attitudes of those thinking of invading America. Every time I read a story about a border state property owner being swarmed by illegals, and then prosecuted for trying to defend his private property, I wonder where the next lawsuit is going to come from!
Quote from: Hoofer on January 05, 2016, 05:44:54 PM
Of course I followed and read both links, apprehension of criminal trespassers and shooting them dead (with immunity), aka Berlin, Germany, is not quite the same. We don't need to fill up the jails & tie up the courts, when bullets can quickly change the attitudes of those thinking of invading America. Every time I read a story about a border state property owner being swarmed by illegals, and then prosecuted for trying to defend his private property, I wonder where the next lawsuit is going to come from!
Precedent is not law, so what the Marxist is doing is not necessarily law and won't hold up in court in the event he has sends Lynch in.
If an illegal breaks State law, he deals with State law consequences. When the Marxist interferes and interjects Federal law, he better been on the side of the law, or his actions could jeopardize the case and cause the incident to be thrown out of court.
Quote from: Hoofer on January 04, 2016, 03:24:26 PM
There are conservatives that did not vote for Reagan because of his failed marriage (Jane Wyatt) - and the logic goes like this: "If a man cannot maintain his own family, and fail in his lifetime promise.... why should you trust him with a Presidency? The man is a promise-breaker! Can we trust him to protect the nation?
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And Jimmy Carter, the Baptist with a nice smile, a humble Peanut Farmer..."
The shallowness and ignorance of millions of church people
are what got America into its current mess!
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..." http://biblehub.com/hosea/4-6.htm
Reagan did NOT divorce his first wife! His first wife divorced HIM!
But millions of ignorant church people
were too eager to judge and condemn to check any facts!
Instead, they supported the hypocrite
"
Jimmy Carter, the Baptist with a nice smile, a humble Peanut Farmer..."
who was actually a global socialist, New World Order promoting,
anti-Christian social order operative, radical Islamic caliphate establisher!
Lucky for us, enough people realized after one term how Carter had betrayed us.
Today, a generation later, the ignorance has advanced to where
guys like him (and far more obvious!) get RE-elected!
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/how-churches-led-america-to-forsake-god!/
Millions of people are STAYING on the road to Hell
because the ride is comfortable!
What bothers me most is that they're dragging my country with them!
Quote from: je_freedom on January 05, 2016, 06:51:41 PM
The shallowness and ignorance of millions of church people are what got America into its current mess!
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..." http://biblehub.com/hosea/4-6.htm
Reagan did NOT divorce his first wife! His first wife divorced HIM!
But millions of ignorant church people were too eager to judge and condemn to check any facts!
Instead, they supported the hypocrite
"Jimmy Carter, the Baptist with a nice smile, a humble Peanut Farmer..."
who was actually a global socialist, New World Order promoting, anti-Christian social order operative, radical Islamic caliphate establisher!
Lucky for us, enough people realized after one term how Carter had betrayed us.
Today, a generation later, the ignorance has advanced to where guys like him (and far more obvious!) get RE-elected!
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/how-churches-led-america-to-forsake-god!/
Millions of people are STAYING on the road to Hell because the ride is comfortable!
What bothers me most is that they're dragging my country with them!
Amen. Try to imagine a dozen of us, across the political spectrum, 1975 or so, discussing politics at the dinner table, in the living room, etc. Nearly froze to death & almost lost the farm, thanks to Jimmy Carter.... he sounded so "reasonable" at the time, Mom kept turning down the thermostat to the wood furnace to save energy. I think the "key" component to Reagan's success was the positive message of hope of a better tomorrow, while on the edge of economic collapse.
Talk is cheap.
Quote from: Solar on January 03, 2016, 11:38:30 AM
So, just how fed up are you? Or will you be joining the chorus during the 2018 primary screaming, "No more RINO"!!!
Here is the answer: "If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." ― Mark Twain
Or "Money talks,
bullshit elections walks"
Quote from: kalash on January 06, 2016, 03:31:19 AM
Here is the answer: "If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." ― Mark Twain
Or "Money talks, bullshit elections walks"
So sorry you and Mark have that attitude. :sad: