Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2015, 07:21:59 PM
Why do you insist in insulting sociopaths and hand puppets, they may not be exemplary citizens, but they aren't scum pols like those two.

Ok,point made.

My apologies to sociopaths and hand puppets everywhere for defaming them.

Quote from: red_dirt on July 27, 2015, 06:42:38 AM
Jon Stewart calls Donald Trump, "The first openly asshole president."
Jon might have chosen to say,
"America's first openly successful businessman as president."
But, then, in Jon Stewart's world, the two are the same.

You can't pay any attention to anything Jon Stewart has to say. He is a leftist Jew that hides behind the name "Stewart" and doesn't have  a single original thought in his pointy little head. He could be replaced by a tape recorder.

Quote from: quiller on July 27, 2015, 10:24:45 AM
Ring in whoever used to be the Blackwater crew, mix in Trump's money, and a private army of mercs just MIGHT calm things down.....

Like I said previously, issuing letters of Marque to private Govt contractors would solve the border drug problems. After all Black Jack Pershing  Invaded mexico looking for Pancho Villa after he Raided New Mexico, these cartels do far more damage in the USa than ol' Poncho ever did

Quote from: zewazir on July 27, 2015, 09:03:02 PM
The reason the demoncraps insist on focusing on skin color (and any other differences they can exploit) is because they are using it in the age-old strategy of divide and conquer. For 60 years now the dims have managed to keep a significant percentage of blacks cooped up and dependent, trading the plantations of the old South for the projects of so-called civil rights. Th democrats never gave up on keeping slaves, they just found a different way of doing it.

I'm seeing a need for self assessment of this forum, a standing back and taking stock.

Scott Walker was asked by Hannity last week,  "What is your greatest challenge?"
His answer was,  "JEB Bush. JEB Bush has raised more money than the rest of us, put together." That's Scott Walker.  Yet, in this forum, JEB is portrayed as a mere foot note, the candidate without a chance in hell.
JEB could never push it above 4% with the rank and file, yet little by little he has moved up into the high twenties, trailing upstart Don Trump by about 1%, according to most reports.

Looking back, the cartel busting Senator Cruz and  his followers were showing strong. That candidacy was gaining strength even among that hidden conservative Hispanic and traditionally Democrat contingent. About that time, the flock of suits descended, one announcement upon another in a display we could best call bizarre. The result, everyone reset to 5%, which just so happened to be where Bush sat. Remember, Cruz had been driven to 6% by the time Trump entered.

Just about that time, and this is where this forum seems to have contracted Alzheimer's lite, the bombastic Trump entered the contest. Now, JEB's candidacy has inexplicably surged, while Cruz has found himself still parked at 6%.  I can't support the claim that JEB is at 29%, but my own ears heard Walker say that Bush is his greatest challenge. Meanwhile, this forum continues to see Cruz as the front runner, find every excuse to deride Trump, and deny the Bush factor all together.

This piling criticism on to the popular Trump while, at the same time, abandoning the hope of Cruz like they never heard of him, all the while embracing JEB all might account for the reports that GOP favorability is dropping among the R and IND.
If I were and Indie, I'd be saying, oh well, here go the good ol boy GOP again, must have their way. That's leadership? Pathetic.

Then, I read comments like zewazir's  above, the one claiming, again, it is all the Democrats' fault, that somehow this eager to breathe free black population is being "held down," which is common rhetoric, going unchallenged, and I think the forum needs a weekend at Trump Doral to get itself aligned with what is going on.  I might just head there, myself.

Quote from: red_dirt on July 28, 2015, 07:02:37 AM
I'm seeing a need for self assessment of this forum, a standing back and taking stock.

Scott Walker was asked by Hannity last week,  "What is your greatest challenge?"
His answer was,  "JEB Bush. JEB Bush has raised more money than the rest of us, put together." That's Scott Walker.  Yet, in this forum, JEB is portrayed as a mere foot note, the candidate without a chance in hell.
JEB could never push it above 4% with the rank and file, yet little by little he has moved up into the high twenties, trailing upstart Don Trump by about 1%, according to most reports.

Looking back, the cartel busting Senator Cruz and  his followers were showing strong. That candidacy was gaining strength even among that hidden conservative Hispanic and traditionally Democrat contingent. About that time, the flock of suits descended, one announcement upon another in a display we could best call bizarre. The result, everyone reset to 5%, which just so happened to be where Bush sat. Remember, Cruz had been driven to 6% by the time Trump entered.

Just about that time, and this is where this forum seems to have contracted Alzheimer's lite, the bombastic Trump entered the contest. Now, JEB's candidacy has inexplicably surged, while Cruz has found himself still parked at 6%.  I can't support the claim that JEB is at 29%, but my own ears heard Walker say that Bush is his greatest challenge. Meanwhile, this forum continues to see Cruz as the front runner, find every excuse to deride Trump, and deny the Bush factor all together.

This piling criticism on to the popular Trump while, at the same time, abandoning the hope of Cruz like they never heard of him, all the while embracing JEB all might account for the reports that GOP favorability is dropping among the R and IND.
If I were and Indie, I'd be saying, oh well, here go the good ol boy GOP again, must have their way. That's leadership? Pathetic.

Then, I read comments like zewazir's  above, the one claiming, again, it is all the Democrats' fault, that somehow this eager to breathe free black population is being "held down," which is common rhetoric, going unchallenged, and I think the forum needs a weekend at Trump Doral to get itself aligned with what is going on.  I might just head there, myself.

There is an element of truth in your post, red. 

We like to stay focused on our goal and not get derailed by momentary unpleasant facts.  It is still early in this race and we have not yet had the first debate.

The media is driving the poll numbers.  They have an agenda which we do not accept.

The money that Jeb has raised is largely pledges of money... not hard cash.  The last report I read had Ted leading in hard cash raised.  Pledges can change.

Yes, Trump is growing in popularity.... even with the base.  That is currently driving the news and people like the fact that Trump is bold.  If he maintains his current course, he could win.

Most of us on this forum do not expect that to happen.  Therefore we stay focused upon what we believe will be the long term result of this campaign.

So, I'll check out the rates at Trump's Doral !!   

Quote from: red_dirt on July 28, 2015, 07:02:37 AM
I'm seeing a need for self assessment of this forum, a standing back and taking stock.

Scott Walker was asked by Hannity last week,  "What is your greatest challenge?"
His answer was,  "JEB Bush. JEB Bush has raised more money than the rest of us, put together." That's Scott Walker.  Yet, in this forum, JEB is portrayed as a mere foot note, the candidate without a chance in hell.
JEB could never push it above 4% with the rank and file, yet little by little he has moved up into the high twenties, trailing upstart Don Trump by about 1%, according to most reports.

By whose claims, the LSM and the RINO?

QuoteLooking back, the cartel busting Senator Cruz and  his followers were showing strong. That candidacy was gaining strength even among that hidden conservative Hispanic and traditionally Democrat contingent. About that time, the flock of suits descended, one announcement upon another in a display we could best call bizarre. The result, everyone reset to 5%, which just so happened to be where Bush sat. Remember, Cruz had been driven to 6% by the time Trump entered.

Again, by what standards, Leftist media in cooperation with the Establishment?

QuoteJust about that time, and this is where this forum seems to have contracted Alzheimer's lite, the bombastic Trump entered the contest. Now, JEB's candidacy has inexplicably surged, while Cruz has found himself still parked at 6%.  I can't support the claim that JEB is at 29%, but my own ears heard Walker say that Bush is his greatest challenge. Meanwhile, this forum continues to see Cruz as the front runner, find every excuse to deride Trump, and deny the Bush factor all together.

Sixteen months out, and you're declaring it's over

QuoteThis piling criticism on to the popular Trump while, at the same time, abandoning the hope of Cruz like they never heard of him, all the while embracing JEB all might account for the reports that GOP favorability is dropping among the R and IND.
If I were and Indie, I'd be saying, oh well, here go the good ol boy GOP again, must have their way. That's leadership? Pathetic.

Then, I read comments like zewazir's  above, the one claiming, again, it is all the Democrats' fault, that somehow this eager to breathe free black population is being "held down," which is common rhetoric, going unchallenged, and I think the forum needs a weekend at Trump Doral to get itself aligned with what is going on.  I might just head there, myself.

Or maybe you need to quit taking bogus polls as the Gospel?
These so called polls that claim Trump is the chosen one, do not reflect the voting public at large, what they do expose is the nations hatred for politics as usual.
But from all the polling data I've read, no where do they ask if they'd definitely vote for Trump over Cruz, and the reason for that is, these polls are designed to bolster Trump as a distraction from the Marxist, as well as a way to hurt Conservative candidates, which in truth is backfiring.

Why would we talk about Jeb and Trump in this thread, when there are dozens of other thread to talk about them? 

Does every thread on this board have to be about the evil RINO's? 

Quote from: Dori on July 28, 2015, 07:46:09 AM
Why would we talk about Jeb and Trump in this thread, when there are dozens of other thread to talk about them? 

Does every thread on this board have to be about the evil RINO's? 

Good point!

Quote from: Solar on July 28, 2015, 07:35:34 AM
By whose claims, the LSM and the RINO?
Again, by what standards, Leftist media in cooperation with the Establishment?
Sixteen months out, and you're declaring it's over
Or maybe you need to quit taking bogus polls as the Gospel?
These so called polls that claim Trump is the chosen one, do not reflect the voting public at large, what they do expose is the nations hatred for politics as usual.
But from all the polling data I've read, no where do they ask if they'd definitely vote for Trump over Cruz, and the reason for that is, these polls are designed to bolster Trump as a distraction from the Marxist, as well as a way to hurt Conservative candidates, which in truth is backfiring.

Now who is tilting at windmills, Solar?  There sure are a lot of bogus polls out there. Here's a couple  more:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
http://www.270towin.com/2016-polls/2016-general-election-matchups/

Conservatives handed the Republicans victory in 2010 and 2014. (*Levin)

Incidentally, "over"? It hasn't started yet, in my opinion, just barely started.

Quote from: kroz on July 28, 2015, 07:23:19 AM
The media is driving the poll numbers.  They have an agenda which we do not accept.
Most of us on this forum do not expect that to happen.  Therefore we stay focused upon what we believe will be the long term result of this campaign.

So, I'll check out the rates at Trump's Doral !!   

Yeah, that might be the ticket. Little early in the season, though. 

You aren't saying the media is driving the Trump wagon, are you? I would think the media would hate the Trump comments. Look how they rewrote his first announcement to fit a slam agenda, one that backfired, by the way, as big stacks of police reports piled up.

Quote from: Dori on July 28, 2015, 07:46:09 AM
Why would we talk about Jeb and Trump in this thread, when there are dozens of other thread to talk about them? 
Does every thread on this board have to be about the evil RINO's? 

Sorry for the distraction, Dori, but honestly, how  many times do we dance around the facts of the matter. Life is cheap in the ghetto. End of story. Spin it any way you want to. Whites are not racist slave masters. That's absurd. Separating one self from that scene is not racist.
My comments did not have to do with race, but rather, with taking time out and deciding which is the reality and which is our own wishes. All effective organizations do that from time to time, especially when the people are passionate and committed. If everyone would just listen to us, the world would be a better place. But you know that's not going to happen. In my lifetime, conservatives have always been the common sense minority, swimming against the tide.

So, my comments were not about the RINO.  They were about a general assessment, starting with the Z-man's assessment of the Negro issue, which I felt needed work.

QuoteI'm seeing a need for self assessment of this forum, a standing back and taking stock.

Money can not always buy you happiness.  But it can buy you a politicians.  With that being said, last elections I saw new people with a lot less money and the truth take office.  People are getting pissed.

Quote from: walkstall on July 28, 2015, 09:46:08 AM

Money can not always buy you happiness.  But it can buy you a politicians.  With that being said, last elections I saw new people with a lot less money and the truth take office.  People are getting pissed.

Walks, can you split out Red's and my posts from this thread and move them to the Trump thread, starting with Reply #11.

Thanks.

I think the media is inadvertently driving up Trump's poll numbers.  The more they criticize him, the more voters flock to his corner.

I also think that Jeb's numbers stay artificially high because of name recognition among LIV.

As the campaign progresses the voters are going to become more familiar with the field of candidates.  The debates should help if they are not tilted by the moderators..... as they were last time!

I honestly don't expect voters to settle down and pay attention until the summer vacations are finished.

Quote from: red_dirt on July 28, 2015, 09:13:02 AM
So, my comments were not about the RINO.  They were about a general assessment, starting with the Z-man's assessment of the Negro issue, which I felt needed work.

What did you find inaccurate?  I'll admit those comments were, by far, incomplete.  (I don't think this forum is equipped for a multi-volume, 10 megaword analysis.)

TRUMPS' CANDIDACY NOT ALL ABOUT HIM - NO, SERIOUSLY
If Donald Trump can lead his closest rival in New Hampshire's Republican primary by a 2-to-1 margin even after mocking local favorite John McCain's five years as a prisoner of war, it's time for Republicans to drop the idea that Trump will burn out or be blown away.

The new Monmouth University poll – which was in the field starting the day Trump made his POW dig – shows the brash businessman with nearly a quarter of the vote, doubling up establishment frontrunner Jeb Bush. And for those who think that the nasty words of Trump's lawyer about spousal rape or Trump's history of dealings with the Mafia will undo the candidate, they're still missing the point.

While there may be some who like the idea of a businessman in the White House, the core of Trump's support seems to be among those chiefly interested in his power to smash the system – as a destroyer in chief.

You don't care too much about the policy views or personal life of the guy you hire to bulldoze a building, just so long as he can put it asunder. Republicans have tried hitting Trump for serial flip-floppery, crassness and a lack of qualifications. The collective response from nearly one in five Republicans nationally: So's yer mom! They don't want Trump to make Washington work. They want him to burn the place down.

And guess what? That percentage of the party isn't shrinking. Far from it.

So while candidates, particularly Rick Perry, are going after Trump with barrels blazing they're not slowing him down. Why? The ironic truth is that the guy with the biggest ego in the field is the one with the campaign that's really not about him.

But keep Trump in perspective. However long his reign as frontrunner lasts, it is bound to end. And it is not as likely to be from another candidate's shots or a self-inflicted wound, as it is from the tyranny of fractions.

Republicans have opted to compress their nominating process this cycle. Candidates have been barred from participating in any debates until next week, when some network is kicking things off in Cleveland. Four years ago, the candidates were gearing up for their third debate at this time. As a result of this long period of vamping, candidate after candidate has gotten into the race. This compressed-primary strategy may look very different at the end of a process designed to produce a well-funded and unifying nominee, but in these dog days, the GOP is feeling the grind.

Plus with an open seat, lots of qualified candidates and a beatable Democrat dogging through a phony primary, there are lots of interested individuals. And since there's seemingly little difference between being a top-tier contender at 6 points and a small-fry with 2 points, many have taken the plunge. In most years, people ask why they should run for president. This year the question seems to be "Why not?"

As a consequence of such a divided political pie, Trump can be the big man with relatively small wedge compared to previous years. But as the process kicks into gear and candidates drop out and constituencies coalesce, 18 percent won't be enough to claim bragging rights. And with Trump trumping, party pressure will grow for long-shots to get out of the race to give real contenders a chance.

And that may be how the Trump saga ends: Once he is overtaken by other candidates, the wrecking crew that's backing Trump now may have to accept the fact that he will never get to swing the ball on Pennsylvania Avenue. They will then either move on from politics this cycle or accept a more practical contractor for their planned demolition.

Fox News Online

Quote from: kroz on July 28, 2015, 11:28:00 AM
TRUMPS' CANDIDACY NOT ALL ABOUT HIM - NO, SERIOUSLY
If Donald Trump can lead his closest rival in New Hampshire's Republican primary by a 2-to-1 margin even after mocking local favorite John McCain's five years as a prisoner of war, it's time for Republicans to drop the idea that Trump will burn out or be blown away.

The new Monmouth University poll – which was in the field starting the day Trump made his POW dig – shows the brash businessman with nearly a quarter of the vote, doubling up establishment frontrunner Jeb Bush. And for those who think that the nasty words of Trump's lawyer about spousal rape or Trump's history of dealings with the Mafia will undo the candidate, they're still missing the point.

While there may be some who like the idea of a businessman in the White House, the core of Trump's support seems to be among those chiefly interested in his power to smash the system – as a destroyer in chief.

You don't care too much about the policy views or personal life of the guy you hire to bulldoze a building, just so long as he can put it asunder. Republicans have tried hitting Trump for serial flip-floppery, crassness and a lack of qualifications. The collective response from nearly one in five Republicans nationally: So's yer mom! They don't want Trump to make Washington work. They want him to burn the place down.

And guess what? That percentage of the party isn't shrinking. Far from it.

So while candidates, particularly Rick Perry, are going after Trump with barrels blazing they're not slowing him down. Why? The ironic truth is that the guy with the biggest ego in the field is the one with the campaign that's really not about him.

But keep Trump in perspective. However long his reign as frontrunner lasts, it is bound to end. And it is not as likely to be from another candidate's shots or a self-inflicted wound, as it is from the tyranny of fractions.

Republicans have opted to compress their nominating process this cycle. Candidates have been barred from participating in any debates until next week, when some network is kicking things off in Cleveland. Four years ago, the candidates were gearing up for their third debate at this time. As a result of this long period of vamping, candidate after candidate has gotten into the race. This compressed-primary strategy may look very different at the end of a process designed to produce a well-funded and unifying nominee, but in these dog days, the GOP is feeling the grind.

Plus with an open seat, lots of qualified candidates and a beatable Democrat dogging through a phony primary, there are lots of interested individuals. And since there's seemingly little difference between being a top-tier contender at 6 points and a small-fry with 2 points, many have taken the plunge. In most years, people ask why they should run for president. This year the question seems to be "Why not?"

As a consequence of such a divided political pie, Trump can be the big man with relatively small wedge compared to previous years. But as the process kicks into gear and candidates drop out and constituencies coalesce, 18 percent won't be enough to claim bragging rights. And with Trump trumping, party pressure will grow for long-shots to get out of the race to give real contenders a chance.

And that may be how the Trump saga ends: Once he is overtaken by other candidates, the wrecking crew that's backing Trump now may have to accept the fact that he will never get to swing the ball on Pennsylvania Avenue. They will then either move on from politics this cycle or accept a more practical contractor for their planned demolition.

Fox News Online

Some excellent points. I also believe Trump is benefiting greatly from the split field. I am of the opinion that his support now is what it will continue to be. I just don't see large numbers of other candidates' voters migrating to Trump as those candidates drop out.