With a boisterous and flamboyant speech..... trashing fellow conservatives....... the Donald throws his hat into the ring.
Interestingly this article lists him as a TEA grassroots favorite and big contributor to democrats! Is that an oxymoron or what? :confused:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-donation-history-shows-democratic-favoritism/2011/04/25/AFDUddtE_story.html
Let the fireworks begin....
When he was talking about China, he said our leaders are like a high school football team playing against the New England Patriots. :biggrin:
Quote from: Dori on June 16, 2015, 09:35:42 AM
When he was talking about China, he said our leaders are like a high school football team playing against the New England Patriots. :biggrin:
Boys school or girls?
Someone should toss the hat back, with a brick in it. :rolleyes:
Quote from: tac on June 16, 2015, 09:57:37 AM
Someone should toss the hat back, with a brick in it. :rolleyes:
Bernie McGuirk said that Trump threw his hair in the ring.
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I don't believe he's worth $8 billion. He's probably worth that on paper, but not in reality.
Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2015, 11:38:50 AM
I don't believe he's worth $8 billion. He's probably worth that on paper, but not in reality.
What is the difference? :confused:
The paper is suppose to reflect the reality.
Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2015, 11:38:50 AM
I don't believe he's worth $8 billion. He's probably worth that on paper, but not in reality.
>>>>>>>FLASH (NEW YORK) Informed sources at
The Daily Weasel reported today that reported business icon Donald Trump had been discovered living in a subway restroom stall until he could afford first and last months rent on his various real-estate holdings. Other sources at an undisclosed New York hospital said Trump had been treated there for dishpan hands he acquired scrubbing trays at Salvation Army luncheons, in return for one hot meal each day. (END)
:rolleyes:
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 12:12:11 PM
What is the difference? :confused:
The paper is suppose to reflect the reality.
It's like valuing your house. How much do you think it's worth, vs what you can really sell it for.
One reporter likened Trump's candidacy to that of Ross Perot... hmm... :popcorn:
Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2015, 12:24:41 PM
It's like valuing your house. How much do you think it's worth, vs what you can really sell it for.
No it isn't. My house is NOT worth what I "think" it is worth. It is worth what a real estate appraiser says it is worth based upon myriads of factors including recent sales of similar properties. It is not a phantom number.
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 12:27:57 PM
No it isn't. My house is NOT worth what I "think" it is worth. It is worth what a real estate appraiser says it is worth based upon myriads of factors including recent sales of similar properties. It is not a phantom number.
That particular real estate appraiser, all of which is a matter of opinion. That's why you have hi vs low comps.
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 12:12:11 PM
What is the difference? :confused:
The paper is suppose to reflect the reality.
Depends on the paper. I prefer wrapped bundles of Benjamins, but hey, if you dig bearer bonds, go for it.
Say, while we're talking paper and money, did you ever save quarters to buy a U.S. Savings Bond? Tell me we haven't drifted away from the idea that investment helps America.
Quote from: quiller on June 16, 2015, 12:33:38 PM
Depends on the paper. I prefer wrapped bundles of Benjamins, but hey, if you dig bearer bonds, go for it.
Say, while we're talking paper and money, did you ever save quarters to buy a U.S. Savings Bond? Tell me we haven't drifted away from the idea that investment helps America.
I remember the savings bonds days.... but that was long ago. They paid the lowest returns on your investment.
Back when we had faith in our government we were more inclined to sink a few bucks into bonds but as our confidence wained..... so did the bonds. Even munis are taboo because of bankruptcies! :ohmy:
Diversity is always a good idea! :thumbup:
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 12:27:57 PM
No it isn't. My house is NOT worth what I "think" it is worth. It is worth what a real estate appraiser says it is worth based upon myriads of factors including recent sales of similar properties. It is not a phantom number.
The bottom line is the bottom line. It's up to the bankers to raise those questions.
One thing we infer about Donald Trump is that he does not keep a lot of cash on hand. I'm sure he sets up his deals in a way that limits risk. Hillary Clinton can't run a family foundation for a year without a felony violation. Trump has been in the belly of the beast doing billions in real estate deals and nary a charge stuck on fraud or anything close to it. That's a difference between public, scrutinized, business, and public, under the table, transactions.
I'm backing Ted Cruz, but if the Donald can bring it off, I'm in. Far as I am concerned, he is another Winston Churchill, minus the whiskey habit.
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 12:47:40 PM
I remember the savings bonds days.... but that was long ago. They paid the lowest returns on your investment.
Back when we had faith in our government we were more inclined to sink a few bucks into bonds but as our confidence wained..... so did the bonds. Even munis are taboo because of bankruptcies! :ohmy:
Diversity is always a good idea! :thumbup:
Cayman accounts and dual citizenship with Belize are also nice. As you say: diversity! :drool:
My point to youngsters lurking in this thread is that as kids my own Followed-the-Greatest-Generation pack of Baby Boomers were brought up by people who DID have the guts to storm Normandy Beach and Anzio and Guadalcanal. To them it mattered, even only a quarter a week until you got your bond. You owned a piece of America.
Our movie childhood still loved America. Yours fears it yet declares you cannot change it. You need to lay down the game-controller and find your way to make that idea a lie.
Quote from: quiller on June 16, 2015, 12:58:08 PM
Cayman accounts and dual citizenship with Belize are also nice. As you say: diversity! :drool:
My point to youngsters lurking in this thread is that as kids my own Followed-the-Greatest-Generation pack of Baby Boomers were brought up by people who DID have the guts to storm Normandy Beach and Anzio and Guadalcanal. To them it mattered, even only a quarter a week until you got your bond. You owned a piece of America.
Our movie childhood still loved America. Yours fears it yet declares you cannot change it. You need to lay down the game-controller and find your way to make that idea a lie.
We did own a piece of America but it was embezzled!
The government worthy of trust and investment must be rebuilt from the ground up. The youth would do well to embrace this task and run the pooper scooper behind those of us who failed to carry the baton of the greatest generation. We dropped the ball and there is much work to be done to recover!!!!
Trump is a joke who won't even make the first debate - UNLESS he's voted in as a protest candidate. With the number of GOP candidates, that isn't much of a possibility.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 16, 2015, 01:24:46 PM
Trump is a joke who won't even make the first debate - UNLESS he's voted in as a protest candidate. With the number of GOP candidates, that isn't much of a possibility.
Did you happen to catch his speech? Just curious.
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 01:25:53 PM
Did you happen to catch his speech? Just curious.
Not this one. I've heard him speak before and he never had said much I wanted to hear. His constant place on the NY Post's Page Six, interfered with the audio.
Quote from: tac on June 16, 2015, 09:57:37 AM
Someone should toss the hat back, with a brick in it. :rolleyes:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 12:27:57 PM
No it isn't. My house is NOT worth what I "think" it is worth. It is worth what a real estate appraiser says it is worth based upon myriads of factors including recent sales of similar properties. It is not a phantom number.
It's what the bank and buyer(s) thinks it worth. I got 50.000 more then what two real estate appraiser said I could get.
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 09:12:43 AM
With a boisterous and flamboyant speech..... trashing fellow conservatives....... the Donald throws his hat into the ring.
Interestingly this article lists him as a TEA grassroots favorite and big contributor to democrats! Is that an oxymoron or what? :confused:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-donation-history-shows-democratic-favoritism/2011/04/25/AFDUddtE_story.html
Let the fireworks begin....
It's the Washpo, it's not even worthy of lining a birdcage with.
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 12:25:26 PM
One reporter likened Trump's candidacy to that of Ross Perot... hmm... :popcorn:
:biggrin:
Yeah, dead.
Quote from: Solar on June 16, 2015, 01:44:45 PM
:biggrin:
Yeah, dead.
I am NOT a Trump fan at all.....
.... but I will say that his speech struck a chord with many because of the fire in his belly and the attack on Obama's Administration. He talked straight to middle America. AND, the big thing that impressed many voters was the fact that he will not take any campaign contributions from anyone! He promised to be beholden to none! He would take office with no obligations to any except the voters. And he would run America like he runs his own empire....... :rolleyes:
That fact that he will self fund was unique. However, he cannot self fund the U.S. Government. He must be able to work with Congress. That may be difficult for Donald. He is about as arrogant as Obama! And he probably lies about as much as Obama.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: mdgiles on June 16, 2015, 01:24:46 PM
Trump is a joke who won't even make the first debate - UNLESS he's voted in as a protest candidate. With the number of GOP candidates, that isn't much of a possibility.
I don't think he's going to run. He doesn't want to release his financials. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I bet he won't go that far.
Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2015, 02:32:23 PM
I don't think he's going to run. He doesn't want to release his financials. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I bet he won't go that far.
Where were you today? :laugh:
He announced his candidacy today and released the first of his financial records..... more to come.
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 02:34:27 PM
Where were you today? :laugh:
He announced his candidacy today and released the first of his financial records..... more to come.
Oh, damn. Well, that surprises me...
Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2015, 02:32:23 PM
I don't think he's going to run. He doesn't want to release his financials. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I bet he won't go that far.
Trump's financials are completely above board. That's part of being in the real estate business. People who cannot lay all their cards on the table, face up, don't last long.
Now, that is not to say that Donald is obliged to make public every dime he has ever made. He's entitled to a private estate, same as anyone else. At least, so far.
But when he goes into a deal, he had better have his bases covered. The reason people are so freaked out about Donald Trump is not on account of his practices, to the contrary, people have become so accustomed to Washington's sleight of hand, they are shocked at the contrast. Stockholm Syndrome.
If the banks ever caught Donald juking the numbers, they'd be ticked. They catch Bill or Hillary faking the stats, they re-elect them. Go figure that.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 16, 2015, 12:57:57 PM
I'm backing Ted Cruz, but if the Donald can bring it off, I'm in. Far as I am concerned, he is another Winston Churchill, minus the whiskey habit.
Yep. Trump's the
kicker... because Cruz wants
that wall... and make Mexico pay for it. It's too early for Cruz to've voiced it as
up front as Trump did, who had the unpredictablity of saying it for the unsuspecting mainsqueam-media. The MSM has been expecting Cruz to say something like that. -But now
it's out there, and Cruz can comment at-will.
That hours-old line, I predict, has already changed the Republican-race.
Trump's presence, like Greg Gutfeld observed, already diminishes the status of a handful of candidates to fired
'apprentices'...
Quote from: red_dirt on June 16, 2015, 02:51:01 PM
Trump's financials are completely above board. That's part of being in the real estate business. People who cannot lay all their cards on the table, face up, don't last long.
Now, that is not to say that Donald is obliged to make public every dime he has ever made. He's entitled to a private estate, same as anyone else. At least, so far.
But when he goes into a deal, he had better have his bases covered. The reason people are so freaked out about Donald Trump is not on account of his practices, to the contrary, people have become so accustomed to Washington's sleight of hand, they are shocked at the contrast. Stockholm Syndrome.
If the banks ever caught Donald juking the numbers, they'd be ticked. They catch Bill or Hillary faking the stats, they re-elect them. Go figure that.
I just think he's full of crap. I really do think he's a phony, but I could be wrong.
This is going to be fun.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 16, 2015, 03:05:36 PM
This is going to be fun.
He is not much of a speech maker but he hit on a lot of hot button topics! Trump may not win but I will bet the debate moves to the Right! His main attacks appeared to hit the RINO's, especially Bush! Trump could really screw things up or he could really mold the debate! One thing for sure he is not afraid to talk about the issues! :popcorn: :popcorn:
Quote from: redbeard on June 16, 2015, 04:55:26 PM
He is not much of a speech maker but he hit on a lot of hot button topics! Trump may not win but I will bet the debate moves to the Right! His main attacks appeared to hit the RINO's, especially Bush! Trump could really screw things up or he could really mold the debate! One thing for sure he is not afraid to talk about the issues! :popcorn: :popcorn:
Yeah, he just floated Oprah as VP.
OK, who is in charge of Trump??? They take their eye off him for 20 minutes and he's trying to run for President.
A poster above mentioned Ross Perot. Ross Perot gave us Bill Clinton. I wonder if Trump will give us Hilary Clinton?
Quote from: redbeard on June 16, 2015, 04:55:26 PM
He is not much of a speech maker but he hit on a lot of hot button topics! Trump may not win but I will bet the debate moves to the Right! His main attacks appeared to hit the RINO's, especially Bush! Trump could really screw things up or he could really mold the debate! One thing for sure he is not afraid to talk about the issues! :popcorn: :popcorn:
I agree redbeard. He may well drive the issues and push everyone else to the right!!
Quote from: mdgiles on June 16, 2015, 06:00:50 PM
A poster above mentioned Ross Perot. Ross Perot gave us Bill Clinton. I wonder if Trump will give us Hilary Clinton?
I doubt it. There is no way, no how that he's in for the long haul. I'm still shocked he has gone as far as he has. This will just suck some cash from Jeb.
Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2015, 06:06:37 PM
I doubt it. There is no way, no how that he's in for the long haul. I'm still shocked he has gone as far as he has. This will just suck some cash from Jeb.
How will it suck cash from Jeb? Trump is taking no money from anyone.
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 06:13:50 PM
How will it suck cash from Jeb? Trump is taking no money from anyone.
Well I'm just on strike 2 already....
Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2015, 06:18:39 PM
Well I'm just on strike 2 already....
:biggrin:
Trump has a track record of running for office, only to fade away till the next election.
Though I do appreciate him raising crucial points others could only dream of saying.
Quote from: Solar on June 16, 2015, 06:24:22 PM
:biggrin:
Trump has a track record of running for office, only to fade away till the next election.
Though I do appreciate him raising crucial points others could only dream of saying.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I should probably just listen to the damn speech already....
Quote from: Solar on June 16, 2015, 06:24:22 PM
:biggrin:
Trump has a track record of running for office, only to fade away till the next election.
Though I do appreciate him raising crucial points others could only dream of saying.
To my knowledge this is the first race for Trump. He has threatened to run in the past, but never done so.
Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2015, 06:25:25 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I should probably just listen to the damn speech already....
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Toy said it was really good, but like you, I too recognize Trump for the showman he is.
Trump's biggest problem is Trump. However he could do pretty good in the campaign.
The only kudos I'll give to Trump is he could teach other rich people how to raise children the right way. Somehow he seemed to get that part right.
Quote from: Solar on June 16, 2015, 06:28:28 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Toy said it was really good, but like you, I too recognize Trump for the showman he is.
On substance it was very good but his delivery sucks. He needs a speech writer! He was all over the map. It was like anything that came into his head! However! He did hit on a lot of major points that will resonate with the right wing!
Quote from: redbeard on June 16, 2015, 06:38:45 PM
On substance it was very good but his delivery sucks. He needs a speech writer! He was all over the map. It was like anything that came into his head! However! He did hit on a lot of major points that will resonate with the right wing!
You are right about that redbeard. That is exactly the way I felt about the speech. He hit some strong points that rang true...... but it was hard to get past his ego! He will push the envelope and try to drive the race.... leaving everyone else in his wake..... :ohmy:
Quote from: kroz on June 16, 2015, 07:22:57 PM
You are right about that redbeard. That is exactly the way I felt about the speech. He hit some strong points that rang true...... but it was hard to get past his ego! He will push the envelope and try to drive the race.... leaving everyone else in his wake..... :ohmy:
The really big question is who will this help and who will it hurt? I think his entering will really stir the pot. It is going to be a very interesting summer! :popcorn: :popcorn:
"Donald Trump Says He'd 'Win Easily' If He Ran With Oprah"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-hed-win-easily-ran-oprah/story?id=31808135
Ohhhh My GAWD!!!
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Quote from: taxed on June 16, 2015, 03:02:51 PM
I just think he's full of crap. I really do think he's a phony, but I could be wrong.
You want phoney? How about university administrators, that is, State authorities, Regents, College Presidents, the whole nine yards, opting for open carry on campus as if it is some kind of badge of courage, when, the truth is, strip away their phoniness, the whole gang of them should be run out of their offices by angry citizens.
The problem people have with Trump is that people know he would ask the question, "Do we have a problem, here? And if so, what is that problem." Thus opening the discussion, the corrective action would then commence to be designed.
Oh, yeah, a real phoney, compared to the real ones out there who take the advice of their consultants who tell them, "You wanna win? Then shut your mouth and read what we hand you." That's the strategy of a real man, like Obongorama.
Under "That's the spirit!"......
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Well, he definitely adds a lot of fire to the mix.
Whether you like him or not, he will ratchet up the frequency and tenor of the campaign.
But the suggestion that he might pick Oprah as his veep will cost him the conservative vote.
It sounds like he may be running as a democrat in the GOP to effectively kill the GOP forever.
Quote from: kroz on June 17, 2015, 04:06:40 AM
Well, he definitely adds a lot of fire to the mix.
Whether you like him or not, he will ratchet up the frequency and tenor of the campaign.
But the suggestion that he might pick Oprah as his veep will cost him the conservative vote.
It sounds like he may be running as a democrat in the GOP to effectively kill the GOP forever.
Thus far his optics have been off on several counts, beginning with his DESCENT on an escalator and his repeated references to his wealth. Compound that with his repeated mentions of how he knows (and has hired) some of the very best lobbyists, and in the same speech assures us lobbyists will have no impact on any decisions.
He did break the record for lengthy candidacy-announcement speeches, at 45:30 or so, and speaking of optics...viewers got distant shots of the Trump family and entourage (almost hidden in an antechamber and blocked by the crowd and not the more-expected flattering, staged shots).
I mean, he can't spare at least enough space on-stage for his prospective First Lady (pursuant to New York State divorce prenuptuals, etc.)......? Sheesh. These billionaires are
SOMETHING! :rolleyes:
National Review OnLine writer Keven Williamson cracks, "Witless Ape Rides Escalator." But elsewhere in the same e-edition is how the GOP's CPAC crowd are definitely cool to Trump entering the race....
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/414639/cpac-trump-thanks-no-thanks-brendan-bordelon
And one more "overnight" on the topic in this New York Daily News editorial:
"America's Naked Cowboy: Resisting the urge to take Donald Trump Seriously as a Presidential candidate"....http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/editorial-america-naked-cowboy-article-1.2260326
Well, he somewhat debunked the Oprah as veep statement this morning on Fox.
Apparently he was asked about the possibility by an ABC interviewer and he acknowledged her friendship. But he claims he was never serious about putting her on the ticket with him.
Sounds like he may have been sucked into his first of many gaffs!
I think he has about much chance as B. Sanders has on the other side to get the nomination.
VERY SLIMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!
Quote from: JD on June 17, 2015, 05:29:29 AM
I think he has about much chance as B. Sanders has on the other side to get the nomination.
VERY SLIMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!
It is, however, reason enough to reintroduce the Trump board game! :thumbsup:
Quote from: zewazir on June 16, 2015, 09:36:16 PM
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Jon Stewart considers this the blessing of all comedy blessings as he prepares to (mercifully) wrap up his liberals'-infomercial. Fair enough. We don't often get this boldly anti-big-money in such PERSONAL terms. Most of the losers running for the job are, after all, merely millionaires. Failures one and all compared to Trump's net worth.
I think I mentioned: there's no faster way to lose a fortune than get involved in politics. It's his to waste and our national future at stake once his Perot-factor entry finally kicks in.
Quote from: quiller on June 17, 2015, 06:00:33 AM
I think I mentioned: there's no faster way to lose a fortune than get involved in politics. It's his to waste and our national future at stake once his Perot-factor entry finally kicks in.
As I see it, there are a handful with proven records of accomplishment, taking away Senator Cruz's bona fide integrity, courage, and analytical gifts. That would be Governor Perry, as governor of Texas, a stand out. And Trump.
Bobby Jindahl is in that category, with bonus points for openness in a notoriously back room state of Louisiana. Lindsay Graham must know what he is doing, too, from the looks of SC.
Walker is a favorite, but as an underdog standing up to the public unions. Take that away, and he is another from the Pariah States: MN, WI, IL, MO, NY, NJ, PA. MA. Can't imagine how governors of NY or NJ would even be considered. Almost say the same about FL. Forget California. It is weird. Clinton's leading, and she's screwed up everything she's touched.
MOTUS poses good questions. What makes Donald Trump think he can be President?
He's never even been a community organizer. He's not written two autobiogaphries by the time he was forty. And, he's never been an adjunct lecturer on the Constitution at the U of Chicago. He must be dreaming!
Quote from: red_dirt on June 17, 2015, 10:07:04 AM
MOTUS poses good questions. What makes Donald Trump think he can be President?
He's never even been a community organizer. He's not written two autobiogaphries by the time he was forty. And, he's never been an adjunct lecturer on the Constitution at the U of Chicago. He must be dreaming!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, it seems that loving the country is now considered passe by many, so I guess he's unqualified.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 16, 2015, 10:34:52 PM
You want phoney? How about university administrators, that is, State authorities, Regents, College Presidents, the whole nine yards, opting for open carry on campus as if it is some kind of badge of courage, when, the truth is, strip away their phoniness, the whole gang of them should be run out of their offices by angry citizens.
The problem people have with Trump is that people know he would ask the question, "Do we have a problem, here? And if so, what is that problem." Thus opening the discussion, the corrective action would then commence to be designed.
Oh, yeah, a real phoney, compared to the real ones out there who take the advice of their consultants who tell them, "You wanna win? Then shut your mouth and read what we hand you." That's the strategy of a real man, like Obongorama.
I have no doubt Trump is a great problem solver. He may be part of the lucky sperm club, but I do think he is a good businessperson. I sort of, in a way, see Trump and Romney the same. They are both phonies, as Romney is putting on full display now, but if Romney was tasked with solving a major problem, he could totally do it and be great at it -- actually I think more than any candidate I've seen in a long time. He has experience doing it, and has had the success. I think Romney is light years ahead of Trump in that realm, but Trump would run across the isle to compromise to prove he's not a mean guy. If you ever had to endure an episode of Celebrity Apprentice, you know 90% of the time is him telling each person how much he respects them and how great they are. A few I could buy into, but most of them are just freak shows that have no talent or skillset.
Overall, Trump just sets off my BS meter in a major way.
Quote from: taxed on June 17, 2015, 11:49:34 AM
I have no doubt Trump is a great problem solver. He may be part of the lucky sperm club, but I do think he is a good businessperson. I sort of, in a way, see Trump and Romney the same. They are both phonies, as Romney is putting on full display now, but if Romney was tasked with solving a major problem, he could totally do it and be great at it -- actually I think more than any candidate I've seen in a long time. He has experience doing it, and has had the success. I think Romney is light years ahead of Trump in that realm, but Trump would run across the isle to compromise to prove he's not a mean guy. If you ever had to endure an episode of Celebrity Apprentice, you know 90% of the time is him telling each person how much he respects them and how great they are. A few I could buy into, but most of them are just freak shows that have no talent or skillset.
Overall, Trump just sets off my BS meter in a major way.
I don't think Trump is in it for the long haul! I do think he will effect the debate pushing the others to come out and be specific on how they would handle major issues they seem to be avoiding. He has diffidently stirred the pot! I think his entering will hurt the RINO's more with his straight forward answers on trade and boarder control! His answer to ISIS was also very good. He left the impression that his way of dealing with it is the find the right general and give him the support to do what has to be done! Sounds like limited control from the oval office. Let the military do their job! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Quote from: redbeard on June 17, 2015, 12:15:27 PM
I don't think Trump is in it for the long haul! I do think he will effect the debate pushing the others to come out and be specific on how they would handle major issues they seem to be avoiding. Sounds like limited control from the oval office. Let the military do their job! :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
He's got me convinced he's in it because he's p----d! Never met anyone from NY who wasn't.
I think you are right, he is in it to exert influence and pressure. Honestly, the advertising value for his properties more than makes up for the expense. I wouldn't be surprised if we found his campaign expenses were being written off by the front office as advertising. Have you subscribed to his Twitter? It is a non stop slide show of golf course, resorts, hotels, and casinos. The man was not born yesterday.
Was it the
Art of the Deal where he told the story of the ice rink at Rock Plaza? There was this seven year gridlock. He took the project and had it finished in about eight weeks. That was a watershed moment in the development of the entrepreneur. That's when he realized he could accomplish just about anything. He then proceeded to tell young Americans, "So can you!"
Trump has much to offer as a spoiler in killing off RINO, but truth is, he's no Conservative/.
If anything, he could easily be considered a crony capitalist, one that not only supported TARP, but the auto baliouts as well.
Like ...I think it was Taxed deferred to him as another Mitten- RINO.-
Quote from: Solar on June 17, 2015, 02:50:09 PM
Trump has much to offer as a spoiler in killing off RINO, but truth is, he's no Conservative/.
If anything, he could easily be considered a crony capitalist, one that not only supported TARP, but the auto baliouts as well.
Like ...I think it was Taxed deferred to him as another Mitten- RINO.-
I agree he is NO conservative. That is what alarms me about him...... he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Quote from: kroz on June 17, 2015, 02:56:40 PM
he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
I go with your judgment...
Yet Trump's anger is coming from somewhere on the
Right.
Quote from: kroz on June 17, 2015, 02:56:40 PM
I agree he is NO conservative. That is what alarms me about him...... he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Yep, just like the logo for the Fabian socialists.
Here's another people need to be aware of.
Quote"We must have universal healthcare. Our objective [should be] to make reforms for the moment and, longer term, to find an equivalent of the single-payer plan that is affordable, well-administered, and provides freedom of choice."
http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/7984-another-day-another-shot-at-trump
Trump also wanted to tax the wealthy 14.75% of their net worth.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Tax_Reform.htm
Bottom line? Trump will say whatever he thinks people want to hear.
Quote from: Solar on June 17, 2015, 03:10:51 PM
Bottom line? Trump will say whatever he thinks people want to hear.
He sure is telling me what I want to hear. I find this announcement stirring, and I hope millions of others do as well.
Watch Donald Trump announce his candidacy for U.S. president
https://youtu.be/SpMJx0-HyOM
He opens up with a front assault on immigration policy. "I talk to border enforcement people, all the time." Look, the 1954 Immigration reform supposedly did away with quotas and white European preference. Surprise, the Democrats completely turned that to South American and Mexican preference.
That's why the open border. What is going on is against the law!
Quote from: red_dirt on June 17, 2015, 05:36:15 PM
He sure is telling me what I want to hear. I find this announcement stirring, and I hope millions of others do as well.
He opens up with a front assault on immigration policy. "I talk to border enforcement people, all the time." Look, the 1954 Immigration reform supposedly did away with quotas and white European preference. Surprise, the Democrats completely turned that to South American and Mexican preference.
That's why the open border. What is going on is against the law!
And this doesn';t raise red flags to you? :biggrin:
"
We must have universal healthcare. Our objective [should be] to make reforms for the moment and, longer term, to find an equivalent of the single-payer plan that is affordable, well-administered, and provides freedom of choice."
Trump may be an asset. The media love covering him and mocking him. When they are obsessing over him they are not obsessing over the extreme right wing evil Tea Party racist etc etc etc....
I made it to 49 seconds. I tried folks, I did. Donald just doesn't have "it". I'd love to see him run for NY Governor though. He should try that. Or Mayor.
Quote from: taxed on June 17, 2015, 09:04:51 PM
I made it to 49 seconds. I tried folks, I did. Donald just doesn't have "it". I'd love to see him run for NY Governor though. He should try that. Or Mayor.
I watched it. Maybe Trump is secretly doing a reality show.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 17, 2015, 09:14:58 PM
I watched it. Maybe Trump is secretly doing a reality show.
I watched a good minute and 15 seconds of Jeb's speech. These two bumbleheads are so alike.
Quote from: taxed on June 17, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
I watched a good minute and 15 seconds of Jeb's speech. These two bumbleheads are so alike.
But Trump is entertaining.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 17, 2015, 09:24:55 PM
But Trump is entertaining.
He is... but then I watch Jeb and get transfixed at his gestures that are totally like his brother's...
Quote from: taxed on June 17, 2015, 11:12:41 PM
He is... but then I watch Jeb and get transfixed at his gestures that are totally like his brother's...
You mean those gestures where he's trying to convince you that he knows what he's doing, that "Please Trust Me," look, that "I'm actually a nice guy, I'll give you anything you want, just elect me" where he leans in while pulling with his hands, as if to give the audience a hug, kind of look?
GW used to do that, and yes, it was genuine from the heart, and just like his brother GW, he'll rack up even more debt and double the illegal population and we'll be worse off than ever before.
Jeb has yet to distinguish himself from the current Marxist in the WH. Am I the only one that finds it odd, that Jeb isn't saying what he'll do different than the commie?
Quote from: Solar on June 18, 2015, 04:29:59 AM
You mean those gestures where he's trying to convince you that he knows what he's doing, that "Please Trust Me," look, that "I'm actually a nice guy, I'll give you anything you want, just elect me" where he leans in while pulling with his hands, as if to give the audience a hug, kind of look?
GW used to do that, and yes, it was genuine from the heart, and just like his brother GW, he'll rack up even more debt and double the illegal population and we'll be worse off than ever before.
Jeb has yet to distinguish himself from the current Marxist in the WH. Am I the only one that finds it odd, that Jeb isn't saying what he'll do different than the commie?
What amazes me is the Washington pundits are still saying it will be Bush. They have no clue what is going on across the country.
Quote from: supsalemgr on June 18, 2015, 04:47:32 AM
What amazes me is the Washington pundits are still saying it will be Bush. They have no clue what is going on across the country.
"Bubble Dwellers". None of DC has a clue.
I often wonder if the Establishment will look back on the moment McCain thought, yjay running a Conservative female as a Veep, was the match that lit the fuse and set off the TEA bomb that killed off the GOPe?
It was obvious to them that they were having an issue with the base of the party and badly needed to make concessions, only to turn around and stab her in the back.
How they handled what they considered nothing more than a political prop, exposed what they thought of the base that put them in office.
In other words, all of this demonstrates just how out of touch these people are with Americans, the heart of this nation, a people that know what it takes to continue another 200 years and beyond as a free nation.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 16, 2015, 06:00:50 PM
A poster above mentioned Ross Perot. Ross Perot gave us Bill Clinton. I wonder if Trump will give us Hilary Clinton?
Only when he decided to go Third Party - and that is still debatable. Bush 1 was severely damaged at the end of his presidency - it was obvious that he was not following in Reagan's footsteps and that cost him dearly with Conservative (note, I didn't say Republican) voters. In other words, he lost the Reagan Democrats!
Quote from: Darth Fife on June 18, 2015, 06:29:10 AM
Only when he decided to go Third Party - and that is still debatable. Bush 1 was severely damaged at the end of his presidency - it was obvious that he was not following in Reagan's footsteps and that cost him dearly with Conservative (note, I didn't say Republican) voters. In other words, he lost the Reagan Democrats!
Yeah. He went full RINO and Perot's third party run was the nail in the coffin. Supposedly there was some real bad blood between Bush and Perot in TX. I remember I supported Buchannon in the primary.
Quote from: Darth Fife on June 18, 2015, 06:29:10 AM
Only when he decided to go Third Party - and that is still debatable. Bush 1 was severely damaged at the end of his presidency - it was obvious that he was not following in Reagan's footsteps and that cost him dearly with Conservative (note, I didn't say Republican) voters. In other words, he lost the Reagan Democrats!
You're saying that Conservatives are Democrats? Reagen's or otherwise, I respectfully say, huh?
Palin pumped for Trump - Former Gov. Sarah Palin, R-Alaska, wrote on her Facebook page Wednesday, "@realDonaldTrump - Mr. Trump should know he's doing something right when the malcontents go ballistic in the press! There is no denying Donald J. Trump's accomplishments and drive to create opportunity for every willing American to succeed."
(Fox Online)
I am a bit surprise at Palin's position! Is she vying for a Trump/Palin ticket? :ohmy:
Quote from: kroz on June 18, 2015, 09:11:06 AM
Palin pumped for Trump - Former Gov. Sarah Palin, R-Alaska, wrote on her Facebook page Wednesday, "@realDonaldTrump - Mr. Trump should know he's doing something right when the malcontents go ballistic in the press! There is no denying Donald J. Trump's accomplishments and drive to create opportunity for every willing American to succeed."
(Fox Online)
I am a bit surprise at Palin's position! Is she vying for a Trump/Palin ticket? :ohmy:
Doesn't sound like it. Sounds more like what Red and many here said, that Trump helps push the debate to the Right, and that's a good thing.
At the bottom of this article are three video clips of Trump's interview with Hannity....... and ten quotes from the Donald.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/18/sean-hannity-interviews-donald-trump-10-must-see-quotes
...... but then, you may not be interested in what he has to say....... :laugh:
Quote from: kroz on June 18, 2015, 12:31:32 PM
At the bottom of this article are three video clips of Trump's interview with Hannity....... and ten quotes from the Donald.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/18/sean-hannity-interviews-donald-trump-10-must-see-quotes
...... but then, you may not be interested in what he has to say....... :laugh:
QuoteAs for his fellow GOP presidential candidates, Trump said, "I don't have a lot of respect for many of them."
"They're all talk. They're no action. And they're totally controlled by their donors and by the lobbyists ... If we have another politician, this country's going down."
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/16/donald-trump-slams-gop-field-oreilly-factor-i-dont-have-lot-respect-many-them
The operative word here is many! he did not say all! Trump will try to drive the debate and 5 to 6 months from now I suspect he will back the candidate closes to his views! With his hard stance on Mexico it won't be Bush! He also doesn't show much respect for Rubio! Who would you think the Donald would support? I would think Cruz, Walker or Perry!
Quote from: redbeard on June 18, 2015, 01:12:54 PM
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/16/donald-trump-slams-gop-field-oreilly-factor-i-dont-have-lot-respect-many-them
The operative word here is many! he did not say all! Trump will try to drive the debate and 5 to 6 months from now I suspect he will back the candidate closes to his views! With his hard stance on Mexico it won't be Bush! He also doesn't show much respect for Rubio! Who would you think the Donald would support? I would think Cruz, Walker or Perry!
I hope you are right!!
Quote from: redbeard on June 18, 2015, 01:12:54 PM
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/16/donald-trump-slams-gop-field-oreilly-factor-i-dont-have-lot-respect-many-them
The operative word here is many! he did not say all! Trump will try to drive the debate and 5 to 6 months from now I suspect he will back the candidate closes to his views! With his hard stance on Mexico it won't be Bush! He also doesn't show much respect for Rubio! Who would you think the Donald would support? I would think Cruz, Walker or Perry!
Hopefully that is a good observation. Trump gets the attention of fiscal conservatives and realists about the state of our economy.
Quote from: supsalemgr on June 18, 2015, 01:46:32 PM
Hopefully that is a good observation. Trump gets the attention of fiscal conservatives and realists about the state of our economy.
We can all HOPE that is the way this will be played out.....
...... hmm... sounds a bit too much like "Hope and Change"..... maybe I should reword that... :tounge:
Trump is increasing his appeal to the grassroots......
What Donald Trump said about illegal aliens and rape and crime was not untrue, far from it. Trump's sin was saying What Must Not Be Said; and saying it fearlessly.
Naturally, then, Trump must be destroyed by the mainstream media. Unfortunately for them, the media made just one mistake: they forgot that Donald Trump isn't the usual-usual Republican who rolls over like a whipped puppy every time the media piles on.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/27/dear-gop-trumps-fearless-war-with-univision-only-increases-his-appeal/
Quote from: kroz on June 27, 2015, 03:54:05 PM
Trump is increasing his appeal to the grassroots......
What Donald Trump said about illegal aliens and rape and crime was not untrue, far from it. Trump's sin was saying What Must Not Be Said; and saying it fearlessly.
Naturally, then, Trump must be destroyed by the mainstream media. Unfortunately for them, the media made just one mistake: they forgot that Donald Trump isn't the usual-usual Republican who rolls over like a whipped puppy every time the media piles on.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/27/dear-gop-trumps-fearless-war-with-univision-only-increases-his-appeal/
If Trump Actually runs it will be fun. He has until June 30 to files some financial papers.
Quote from: supsalemgr on June 28, 2015, 04:27:16 AM
If Trump Actually runs it will be fun. He has until June 30 to files some financial papers.
Yes, if he is in.... all the traditional rules of the game are out the window!!!
He filed candidacy papers.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/06/22/donald-trump-files-paperwork-making-2016-run-offficial/
Quote from: quiller on June 28, 2015, 04:51:16 AM
He filed candidacy papers.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/06/22/donald-trump-files-paperwork-making-2016-run-offficial/
Thanks quiller. I had missed that.
Quote from: quiller on June 28, 2015, 04:51:16 AM
He filed candidacy papers.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/06/22/donald-trump-files-paperwork-making-2016-run-offficial/
QuoteNow that he has officially filed as a candidate, Mr. Trump will also need to file a financial disclosure statement within 30 days. His campaign has said he'll meet that deadline.
Quote from: kroz on June 27, 2015, 03:54:05 PM
Trump is increasing his appeal to the grassroots......
What Donald Trump said about illegal aliens and rape and crime was not untrue, far from it. Trump's sin was saying What Must Not Be Said; and saying it fearlessly.
Naturally, then, Trump must be destroyed by the mainstream media. Unfortunately for them, the media made just one mistake: they forgot that Donald Trump isn't the usual-usual Republican who rolls over like a whipped puppy every time the media piles on.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/27/dear-gop-trumps-fearless-war-with-univision-only-increases-his-appeal/
There are things I love about Trump. He's unapologetic, and he stirs the pot. We need more like him running for office. He does have a crazy side. He called Bill Clinton the "greatest president," and George Bush, "the worst." Both comments are insane. I'm still glad he's running though.
Quote from: supsalemgr on June 28, 2015, 05:16:19 AM
Thanks quiller. I had missed that.
I'd seen it in passing a couple of days ago, but found it again at....
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl
:wink:
NBC bows to Mexican pressure and dumps Donald Trump.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/29/nbc-dumps-trump-bows-to-mexican-pressure/
This does nothing but improve his poll ratings. The Donald is gaining the system by taking advantage of the negative media antics.
I think Trump has the potential of eroding support for our Conservative guy! He is a wild card in uncharted territory.
Quote from: kroz on June 29, 2015, 03:54:23 PM
NBC bows to Mexican pressure and dumps Donald Trump.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/29/nbc-dumps-trump-bows-to-mexican-pressure/
This does nothing but improve his poll ratings. The Donald is gaining the system by taking advantage of the negative media antics.
I think Trump has the potential of eroding support for our Conservative guy! He is a wild card in uncharted territory.
Yep! Cruz is my guy, but AMERICA is on the side of what Trump is saying on this issue. America likes an unapologetic fighter. We're tired of the Repubs pandering to ILLEGAL ALIENS. What part of ILLEGAL are they not getting?
Quote from: carlb on June 29, 2015, 04:17:08 PM
Yep! Cruz is my guy, but AMERICA is on the side of what Trump is saying on this issue. America likes an unapologetic fighter. We're tired of the Repubs pandering to ILLEGAL ALIENS. What part of ILLEGAL are they not getting?
We are the most divided Nation since 1865! Politicians are perceived to be lower than worm spit!
So, where do you turn? Eureka!!! The Donald arrives in his Superman suit!
Quote from: kroz on June 29, 2015, 04:23:08 PM
We are the most divided Nation since 1865! Politicians are perceived to be lower than worm spit!
And, yet, 80% of them keep getting re-elected to office!
:huh:
I think I see what the problem is!
:wink:
Quote from: kroz on June 29, 2015, 04:23:08 PM
We are the most divided Nation since 1865! Politicians are perceived to be lower than worm spit!
So, where do you turn? Eureka!!! The Donald arrives in his Superman suit!
Here's what I see about Trump.
He doesn't need government shoulders to walk him thru his campaign
He doesn't need the media for support either
He's got whatever money he needs to pull off a campaign
He's in-your-face with his ideology, something the left hates.
This could get very interesting.
The media will never be able to outTrump Trump. They have met their match!
Macy's Department Stores announced today that they are dumping Trump merchandise because of his politics.
Also today, I dropped my Macy's account because of their foolish and needlessly public politics. I told them I am not a Donald Trump fan. But now I like Donald Trump better than Macy's. I will shop elsewhere from now on.
I heard on the "news" today that all these "scandals" are really going tu hurt Trump and the GOP in general. I JUST DON'T SEE IT.
I do realize that I'm a rebel, and a "right-wing nut," but to me all this make him stand out as a man of principle. I always hear that at least 70% of AMERICANS basically agree with Trump's position on ILLEGAL aliens. I know the MSM doesn't and would LIKE these "scandals" to hurt him.
THE QUESTION IS...
Will these words of Trump come back to kill him as a candidate, or do they move him to the lead as far as the American People are concerned? I think it's the latter.
Quote from: kroz on July 01, 2015, 03:06:33 PM
Macy's Department Stores announced today that they are dumping Trump merchandise because of his politics.
Also today, I dropped my Macy's account because of their foolish and needlessly public politics. I told them I am not a Donald Trump fan. But now I like Donald Trump better than Macy's. I will shop elsewhere from now on.
Quote from: carlb on July 01, 2015, 03:28:08 PM
I heard on the "news" today that all these "scandals" are really going tu hurt Trump and the GOP in general. I JUST DON'T SEE IT.
I do realize that I'm a rebel, and a "right-wing nut," but to me all this make him stand out as a man of principle. I always hear that at least 70% of AMERICANS basically agree with Trump's position on ILLEGAL aliens. I know the MSM doesn't and would LIKE these "scandals" to hurt him.
THE QUESTION IS...
Will these words of Trump come back to kill him as a candidate, or do they move him to the lead as far as the American People are concerned? I think it's the latter.
I don't think Trump give a rat ass one way or the other. Trump is getting the truth out. The MSM, Lib's and RINO don't like it and Trump is enjoying every bit of it. It's all free publicity and stirs the public interest all for free.
Quote from: carlb on July 01, 2015, 03:28:08 PM
I heard on the "news" today that all these "scandals" are really going tu hurt Trump and the GOP in general. I JUST DON'T SEE IT.
I do realize that I'm a rebel, and a "right-wing nut," but to me all this make him stand out as a man of principle. I always hear that at least 70% of AMERICANS basically agree with Trump's position on ILLEGAL aliens. I know the MSM doesn't and would LIKE these "scandals" to hurt him.
THE QUESTION IS...
Will these words of Trump come back to kill him as a candidate, or do they move him to the lead as far as the American People are concerned? I think it's the latter.
I think it all depends on just how serious The Donald is about this election. If this is just a publicity stunt and he isn't that serious about it, once he thinks he's gotten as much press out of it as he can, he'll withdraw.
However...
If he is serious about the election and winning the presidency, God help anyone who opposes him - in
either party! He plays to win and he can (and does) play as "dirty" as he needs to to get what he wants! Unlike Mittens, he won't pull any punches. He'll go for the jugular every time!
If 2016 is between Trump and Clinton, he will mop the floor with her!
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 01, 2015, 03:49:37 PM
I think it all depends on just how serious The Donald is about this election. If this is just a publicity stunt and he isn't that serious about it, once he thinks he's gotten as much press out of it as he can, he'll withdraw.
However...
If he is serious about the election and winning the presidency, God help anyone who opposes him - in either party! He plays to win and he can (and does) play as "dirty" as he needs to to get what he wants! Unlike Mittens, he won't pull any punches. He'll go for the jugular every time!
If 2016 is between Trump and Clinton, he will mop the floor with her!
I heard another libtard theory on the "news" that Trump is really doing this to help Jeb. Supposedly, he's trying to steal the votes that woud go to the "wacko-bird" (Tea Party candidates) to help Bush win the primaries.
I don't believe that for an instant. I do think he's dead serious, and he's in it to win. I think he believes he the smartest man alive, and the most qualified.
I's gonna be an interesting race!
Quote from: Solar on June 17, 2015, 02:50:09 PM
Trump has much to offer as a spoiler in killing off RINO, but truth is, he's no Conservative/.
If anything, he could easily be considered a crony capitalist, one that not only supported TARP, but the auto baliouts as well.
Like ...I think it was Taxed deferred to him as another Mitten- RINO.-
I remember him calling into Fox and friends, and it was mentioned, that He did vote for Obama during the first election,
which in my mind makes him a Democrat.
I dont think He seriously thinks He will be elected. I think He is just a first class narcissist and want the attention.
What I like is He isnt afraid to bring up issues, whether they are politically correct or not. I think He is good for the WH race and will make it interesting.
Quote from: Norseman on July 01, 2015, 04:54:33 PM
I remember him calling into Fox and friends, and it was mentioned, that He did vote for Obama during the first election,
which in my mind makes him a Democrat.
I dont think He seriously thinks He will be elected. I think He is just a first class narcissist and want the attention.
What I like is He isnt afraid to bring up issues, whether they are politically correct or not. I think He is good for the WH race and will make it interesting.
Exactly!
Though I think the LSM sees him as a tool of divisiveness in TEA and other TEA candidates.
Trump is about as Conservative as the most far Right Marxist the communist party can produce, he works within the system and uses it to his advantage.
Sure, he may talk a good game, but he knows that's all it is, because he playing to the crowd, but he himself, has no actual core values. Again, playing to the crowd.
Trump does absolutely nothing for the right, simply because he's viewed as a joke, and having an idiot jester backing your side, is not something we need.
The LSM WILL be making the link, that TEA aligns with a lying jester, and by process, TEA is a lying movement without values..
Look at Koch, and Koch actually have values, but the LSM still demonized them successfully.
It's what the Marxists do.
Case in point. I just stumbled across a perfect example of a planned move by the Marxists, via our latest leftist troll and his willingness to expose the agenda out of bumbling.
He is a perfect example of failed intellect working for the DNC/CPUSA.
Quote from: liberalman on July 01, 2015, 12:03:44 AM
walker is the Koch brothers bitch, Go trump he is man enough and he is not gonna rely on some man as a sugar daddy. Back a guy that makes his own money. Walker depends on the Koch brothers money , So when they give him money they expect something. that is not a man
QuoteSo when they give him money they expect something. that is not a man
So he agrees Obama's not a man.
Quote from: carlb on July 01, 2015, 03:28:08 PM
I heard on the "news" today that all these "scandals" are really going tu hurt Trump and the GOP in general. I JUST DON'T SEE IT.
If that proves to be the case, the message is "Put America first, pay the price."
We have to account for the global pressure to drive America down, being they from such diverse sources as the World Bank to the Vatican. Rick Perry is in the news today, mouthing the party line, "We value Mexico as our trading partner." This, after Trump basically called out the whole gang of Texas politicians down there for what they are:
profiteers in the manufacturing business they did zero to create. That goes double for the Bush.
Hopefully, voters will see through Rick Perry's boasting of what he has done for the Texas economy and recognize him for what he really is, a sell-out.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 02, 2015, 10:51:25 AM
If that proves to be the case, the message is "Put America first, pay the price."
We have to account for the global pressure to drive America down, being they from such diverse sources as the World Bank to the Vatican. Rick Perry is in the news today, mouthing the party line, "We value Mexico as our trading partner." This, after Trump basically called out the whole gang of Texas politicians down there for what they are:
profiteers in the manufacturing business they did zero to create. That goes double for the Bush.
Hopefully, voters will see through Rick Perry's boasting of what he has done for the Texas economy and recognize him for what he really is, a sell-out.
Perry was on Baier's Special Report last night and I thought he flopped badly. He did not come across as a terribly smart fellow. Fiorina could debate him under the table in five minutes flat! He really IMHO still has not done his homework. He is a lot of bluster but not much substance on the National front.
Provided Perry sticks it out that long, when it gets right down to it, the media is sitting on reels and reels of documentation about what Bush and Perry and the Good ol' Boys from Texas and Wall Street did on the Mexican border. JEB and his Mexican wife notwithstanding, those videos are incriminating.
Let's start with the buildup of shops on the Rio Grande. Then we segue into the part about the cartels in Laredo and El Paso. You know, the part where Americans are petrified to even cross over, much less vacation. Are we listening yet? We have a border that is, in the words of Rick Perry, a wonderful example of diversity and cross cultural trade and exchange with our neighbors South of the Border. Only problem is, cross it, Gringo, and you die. Yeah, Rick. we are referring to America's number one "trading partner." Is that supposed to be a euphemism for slave wages? Oh, shoot, we haven't even touched on the auto plants,yet, and union busting.
Do you ever wonder why we give the impression the American negro pushes us around? That's because we are so "intimidated" by the Rev and his Black Panthers. Sure it is. Get a clue, America!
I've wondered why Trump wasn't blowing the doors down in Texas. Now I think I overlooked the obvious. It's that old Texas resentment that New York is the cultural center while Texans believe they should be the cultural leader. That's why Texas keeps building bigger stadiums, bigger churches, bigger malls, and bigger art museums. Yeah, I think I may finally get it.
You can't pull the US out without pulling NY up along with it. That means getting rid of the Clintons, Jacksons, and Sharptons of this world. Do away with welfare. Cleanse the system of communists and communist subversives, balance the Federal Reserve, to name just a few things Trump could change, and likely would.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 04, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
I've wondered why Trump wasn't blowing the doors down in Texas. Now I think I overlooked the obvious. It's that old Texas resentment that New York is the cultural center while Texans believe they should be the cultural leader. That's why Texas keeps building bigger stadiums, bigger churches, bigger malls, and bigger art museums. Yeah, I think I may finally get it.
You can't pull the US out without pulling NY up along with it. That means getting rid of the Clintons, Jacksons, and Sharptons of this world. Do away with welfare. Cleanse the system of communists and communist subversives, balance the Federal Reserve, to name just a few things Trump could change, and likely would.
"Get rid of," and cleanse" and "change" got co-mingled rather freely there. Is this your claim, that he'd have such people killed? If so, I'd love to see any proof.
Looking for a spook under every rock, are you, Quiller, or still riding that old tide of political correctness to invoke suggestions of innuendo and implication? Either way, you get rid of the Sharptons, Jacksons, and Clintons by either voting them out or bringing down the State's Attorney, both of which are actually in full gear, maybe you have read, with all three. You thought I was referring to assassination? Dear boy, go back to Netflix, NBC, and Democratic Underground.
Do away with welfare by growing the economy and putting them back to work. That's a Trump staple, and a conservative one. You thought I had boxcars in mind? My word, you certainly have an active imagination, I'll give you that.
Cleanse the communists by identifying them and electing officials who are not friendly to communists, you know, the De Blasios and Sanders, Obamas and Ayers, even Jarrets, of this arena. See, that's been the problem with communists. They want to do their work, and the only way they can get in is in disguise. Unfortunately, that has changed. But, it is not too late. Cleanse is the right word. You would like to plant the association in people's minds with genocide or ethnic cleansing? My, boy, you sure do play hardball. Maybe you missed your calling.
And now, for the coup de tat ... "Red Dirt just said he heard Trump is going to kill off the working class and the welfare recipients. Yeah, I read that on CPF."
How pathetic the technique of putting words in people's mouths and repeating them. What a sorry accommodation of a dumbed down and dependent electorate. No wonder politicians are petrified to speak the truth. Not Donald Trump, though. He is speaking truth, taking the expected consequences, and win lose or draw, he walks away a winner. Hah, don't you know, Donald Trump urged that we strike a better deal with Mexico, and the left wing press reports, "Donald Trump hates Mexicans." Hah, hah, he probably writes paycheck to more Mexicans and Latinos in a week than any other employer in the world -- legal paychecks. Twisting the words didn't work then, not going to work, now. (I am not claiming Trump is Mexico's largest employer. His developments, though, are international. That's partly what is so ridiculous about the charges. I think he might have triggered this on purpose, knowing that the stupid leftists would walk right in and end up appearing challenged.)
Finally, as we get into it, Trump points out that a great many illegals are potential reformers, (read political troublemakers,) for the handful of ultra rich who control Mexico and its economy. Where is the American compassion for fairness and equality here, in the form of outrage? Wouldn't you expect the Bushes to rise above the interests of the super rich? I mean, after all, they are Republicans? And Obama, the community organizer. How easy to forget where one came from. Wouldn't you expect the Democratic passion for first generation votes to have some limits? Silly me!
RINOs Romney, Rubio and Bush are ganging up against Trump on the immigration issue.....
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/04/jeb-bush-mitt-romney-join-marco-rubio-in-attacking-donald-trump-over-immigration-comments-a-severe-error/
I might add that Cruz has stood up for Trump on this!
So a full fledged war seems to be breaking out within the party!!!
Rubio, and most others (including Rand Paul) have always been friendly to the invasion of ILLEGALS.
Quote from: carlb on July 04, 2015, 04:24:39 PM
Rubio, and most others (including Rand Paul) have always been friendly to the invasion of ILLEGALS.
It is good that a delineated choice is available to the voters. I do not count Trump as a conservative, but I certainly count Ted as a conservative. The other conservatives are too timid to make a stand on this issue!
Anything to put down the RINOs!
Quote from: kroz on July 04, 2015, 04:29:16 PM
It is good that a delineated choice is available to the voters. I do not count Trump as a conservative, but I certainly count Ted as a conservative. The other conservatives are too timid to make a stand on this issue!
Anything to put down the RINOs!
Good description, a line of delineation, a clear and evident way in distinguishing the Establishment from Conservatives.
Well, the LSM has accidentally done TEA a favor for a change, I'm sure they're kicking themselves in the ass for attacking Trump the way they did.
And you're right, he's no Conservative. It's not Trump the individual, it's his message of speaking the truth and having the balls in not backing down to Leftist pressure of PC BS.
Trump is in....
The media again. I sometimes wonder if that is all he cares about.
I just checked the news. Trump is still in???? Why has he not dropped yet? This whole thing is just odd.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 04, 2015, 07:38:50 PM
Trump is in....
The media again. I sometimes wonder if that is all he cares about.
BINGO!!!
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 04, 2015, 07:38:50 PM
Trump is in.... The media again. I sometimes wonder if that is all he cares about.
I doubt it. He is really not saying anything that people in his position haven't been saying since the 1980's, when this whole global trade and federal deficit spending really broke out. It is important to qualify "people in his position" as opposed to corporate officers and employers. When Trump makes a deal, that deal must largely stand on its own merits. He doesn't have the Congress and Treasury to provide emergency support.
Now, in my work, I had occasion to relate on what amounts to a personal basis with maybe six entrepreneurs in different fields of Asian trade. Remember the build up of the Asian Rim, the Seven Tigers? Many Americans got in on that development and made a lot of money, still do. I knew a handful of them. Now, at that time, especially, no one was of a mind to annoy the US Congress. These concerns were not shouted out loud, but they were the same concerns Trump is now voicing. Such as, one, trading "partners" who will sell you anything, but buy from you nothing. Two, artificial currency controls to insure a trade advantage. Believe me, I could go on and on.
No, Trump is for real. In his circles, it is not unusual to hear America is getting screwed. What is unreal is the timidity of the American public, especially the conservative class. Many of Trump's fans are regular guys, workers, businessmen. Very few official Washington. Cruz is sympathetic.
I am coming to believe that Americans suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. Trump is going after the very things that are destroying us. We have become so enamored of and sympathetic to our destroyers that we defend them against criticism. The Trump group is aware of this. Remember how he pressured Obama into releasing a forgery?
He's good. He's rich. He cares, more than we know.
I'd like to be there when Hillary starts making fun of Trump. Better yet, a one on one debate on national TV. But don't expect the press to follow up. The Party bosses have already told them not to, but get Trump.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 04, 2015, 10:45:57 AM
Looking for a spook under every rock, are you, Quiller, or still riding that old tide of political correctness to invoke suggestions of innuendo and implication? Either way, you get rid of the Sharptons, Jacksons, and Clintons by either voting them out or bringing down the State's Attorney, both of which are actually in full gear, maybe you have read, with all three. You thought I was referring to assassination? Dear boy, go back to Netflix, NBC, and Democratic Underground.
Straw-man argument much, saying I'm from the DUmp, or I'm politically correct?
*SNORK!*
I think all this is good for the GOP. It is putting the subject on the table and the normal RINO way of ignoring a subject is absent. Trump has told the truth about what is happening. Now the GOP will eventually land on a good answer which will include securing the border and that is important.
Quote from: quiller on July 05, 2015, 02:54:04 AM
Straw-man argument much, saying I'm from the DUmp, or I'm politically correct?
*SNORK!*
I don't know about a straw man argument, Quiller, but if that was not the implication, that is, the implication that "getting rid of" implied something evil, like a murder, then you are free to say so. Look again at your post. It's full of warped paranoid conclusions, the most outrageous being that I said that he said stuff about killing people. Those are exactly the kinds of things being done by the left. You can be an over the top Trump hater and still be a conservative, as you have demonstrated.
My bad suggesting you might have been influenced by the DU. I should never have looked at that web site.
Continuing on the subject of Donald Trump, on the theme that most of his stated concerns are nothing new to educated circles, we find Donald expresses serious anger on the subject of the national debt. And well he should. Let's not go around thinking he's pulling this concern out of his hat for something like media attention. I can understand shock and awe at what Washington has been doing for the past fifty years. I can't hack laying back and enjoying it, or shooting the messenger.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 05, 2015, 05:29:06 AM
Look again at your post. It's full of warped paranoid conclusions, the most outrageous being that I said that he said stuff about killing people. Those are exactly the kinds of things being done by the left. You can be an over the top Trump hater and still be a conservative, as you have demonstrated.
Another course-correction here. I am not a Trump hater. I am not a Trump supporter. And in my world around Detroit, when you say
get rid of, OF COURSE you ask the speaker if that's what they meant.
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My bad suggesting you might have been influenced by the DU. I should never have looked at that web site.
Demozombie Underbelly™ is an open sewer, the toilet of the Internet, infested by serial masturbators, mental defectives and simpletons not older than pre-school. It is a syphilitic chancre in need of a cure.
Quote from: quiller on July 05, 2015, 05:40:17 AM
Another course-correction here. I am not a Trump hater. I am not a Trump supporter. And in my world around Detroit, when you say get rid of, OF COURSE you ask the speaker if that's what they meant.
Demozombie Underbelly™ is an open sewer, the toilet of the Internet, infested by serial masturbators, mental defectives and simpletons not older than pre-school. It is a syphilitic chancre in need of a cure.
I'm glad to know that's your position. I'm from the nother world. When we mean kill, that is what we say. And it rarely, if ever, happens.
:lol:
"Wow, Huffington Post just stated that I am number one in the polls of Republican candidates," the brash billionaire bragged as the week closed, citing the liberal media outlet that has been a platform for many of the strongest attacks on him. "Thank you, but the work has just begun!"
Mr Trump was touting his first place in an average of 105 polls. Of the 14 candidates who have declared, Trump topped the field with 13.6 per cent support to 13.3 per cent for Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor and son and brother of two past presidents.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/11718563/Republicans-cast-into-turmoil-as-Donald-Trump-rides-the-populist-surge.html
Quote from: Dori on July 05, 2015, 06:38:22 AM
:lol:
"Wow, Huffington Post just stated that I am number one in the polls of Republican candidates," the brash billionaire bragged as the week closed, citing the liberal media outlet that has been a platform for many of the strongest attacks on him. "Thank you, but the work has just begun!"
Mr Trump was touting his first place in an average of 105 polls. Of the 14 candidates who have declared, Trump topped the field with 13.6 per cent support to 13.3 per cent for Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor and son and brother of two past presidents.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/11718563/Republicans-cast-into-turmoil-as-Donald-Trump-rides-the-populist-surge.html
That IS amazing. But I am not sure I believe it!
Quote from: kroz on July 06, 2015, 04:49:55 PM
That IS amazing. But I am not sure I believe it!
I couldn't find the poll where he was number one, but he was number two in the FOX and CNN polls behind Bush last week.
Quote from: kroz on July 06, 2015, 04:49:55 PM
That IS amazing. But I am not sure I believe it!
I do. Americans are hungry for someone who is sure of himself and unapologetic after 8 years of what we have now. I think the illegal alien message resonates with the VOTER even though that message is hated by those in power in both parties.
Quote from: Dori on July 06, 2015, 04:54:06 PM
I couldn't find the poll where he was number one, but he was number two in the FOX and CNN polls behind Bush last week.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm not ion the least surprized FOX would pull that shit.
Bush in the lead? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: kroz on July 06, 2015, 04:49:55 PM
That IS amazing. But I am not sure I believe it!
Yeah, smells like Huffpo agenda....
Quote from: carlb on July 06, 2015, 04:56:56 PM
I do. Americans are hungry for someone who is sure of himself and unapologetic after 8 years of what we have now. I think the illegal alien message resonates with the VOTER even though that message is hated by those in power in both parties.
But I am afraid Americans are throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Trump may sound good, but his track record is not!
We would be settling for an Obama version of the GOP! I do not trust Trump!
We would be wise to reconsider and go with Cruz!
I'm not making a choice for Trump, but his message is appealing to the average voter. The others better figure this out -- QUICK.
Quote from: kroz on July 06, 2015, 05:01:26 PM
But I am afraid Americans are throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Trump may sound good, but his track record is not!
We would be settling for an Obama version of the GOP! I do not trust Trump!
We would be wise to reconsider and go with Cruz!
Anyone over 50 knows better than to take Trump at his word.
The majority of the base is average 50 and over, so he hasn't a prayer, we just appreciate that he's saying what we've been wanting someone to stand up and say, but in the end, they'll vote for a real Conservative, not a ring master.
Quote from: kroz on July 06, 2015, 05:01:26 PM
But I am afraid Americans are throwing out the baby with the bath water.
I think Trump will be short lived. He's a businessman, and when his companies start taking a big enough of a hit, he'll back off.
I think you ignore his ego.
Quote from: carlb on July 06, 2015, 05:15:30 PM
I think you ignore his ego.
Yep, and like clockwork, when he starts losing, he'll fade away.
Quote from: Solar on July 06, 2015, 07:34:26 PM
Yep, and like clockwork, when he starts losing, he'll fade away.
Came on like gangbusters and yes he'll go out the same way.
Quote from: keyboarder on July 06, 2015, 07:53:27 PM
Came on like gangbusters and yes he'll go out the same way.
Yep, he has every time in the past. You find yourself asking, "Hey, wasn't Trump running?"
Quote from: kroz on July 06, 2015, 05:01:26 PM
But I am afraid Americans are throwing out the baby with the bath water.
We would be settling for an Obama version of the GOP! I do not trust Trump!
Ohhh...that's a low blow....
Quote from: red_dirt on July 07, 2015, 05:00:16 AM
Ohhh...that's a low blow....
Sorry Red......... :blush:
I know you like him but he has a bigger than life ego..... much like Obama!
Quote from: kroz on July 07, 2015, 05:16:36 AM
Sorry Red......... :blush:
I know you like him but he has a bigger than life ego..... much like Obama!
Unlike Trump, Obama's the last one to dismiss anyone for incompetence. At least THAT much would change. Along with Trump's picture going onto the $10 bill. :wink:
Quote from: quiller on July 07, 2015, 05:48:44 AM
Unlike Trump, Obama's the last one to dismiss anyone for incompetence. At least THAT much would change. Along with Trump's picture going onto the $10 bill. :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: kroz on July 07, 2015, 05:51:37 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Either that or the new $5 gold piece, The Donald.
You know it's gonna happen. Corporate branding meets government.
Trump reminds me of Ross Perot. One hell of a lot of common sense Americans wanted Ross to be their President. The press kept talking about his big ears, eventually grinding down the electorate. Oh, yeah, they called him crazy, too.
With Donald, its the hair. That's how official Washington and the wannabees plan to ultimately convince the electorate. Its about the comb over. Yeah, that's it.
Quote from: quiller on July 07, 2015, 05:55:39 AM
Either that or the new $5 gold piece, The Donald.
You know it's gonna happen. Corporate branding meets government.
hhmm.... at the current price of gold I would think that the denomination would have to be larger than $5..... which would require a magnifying glass!
But gold would definitely be more to Trump's liking than mere paper!! :laugh:
Quote from: quiller on July 07, 2015, 05:55:39 AM
Either that or the new $5 gold piece, The Donald.
You know it's gonna happen. Corporate branding meets government.
Five dollar gold piece? Do realize just how tiny that would be? :lol:
Quote from: red_dirt on July 07, 2015, 05:57:39 AM
Trump reminds me of Ross Perot. One hell of a lot of common sense Americans wanted Ross to be their President. The press kept talking about his big ears, eventually grinding down the electorate. Oh, yeah, they called him crazy, too.
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QuoteWith Donald, its the hair. That's how official Washington and the wannabees plan to ultimately convince the electorate. Its about the comb over. Yeah, that's it.
They'll ignore Shrill's three cribs and Kerry's (and TUHrayza's) ketchup fortune, and go straight for the bucks behind Trump Towers. How can such an obscenely wealthy man (as opposed to obscenely wealthy woman) be allowed to prosper in capitalist America? How DARE he?
To all you Chump supporters. As a Conservative, can you honestly say you approve of these contributions?
Since the 1990 election cycle, the top 10 recipients of Trump's political contributions number six Democrats and four Republicans. Embattled Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), who was censured last year by his U.S. House colleagues, has received the most Trump money, totaling $24,750. The most recent contribution from Trump to Rangel was a $10,000 gift during the 2006 election cycle.
In the most recent election cycle, Trump doled out $22,500 to political candidates, of which $16,200 benefited Democrats.
The top Republican recipient of Trump's money is Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) who has collected $13,600 from the billionaire magnate, the second most of any politician. Trump did not contribute to McCain during the 2010 election cycle, during which the former presidential candidate was facing re-election.
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) is the recipient of $12,000 in Trump contributions, including $10,000 for his 2006 re-election campaign.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has received the fourth-largest amount of Trump's contributions, including $4,800 in the successful 2010 campaign against Tea Party favorite Sharron Angle. In total Trump has contributed $10,400 to Reid.
In 2010, Trump also contributed $4,000 to Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who easily won re-election. Schumer has received $8,900 from Trump since the 1996 election cycle. Trump has also been generous to New York's other Democratic U.S. senator, Kirsten Gillibrand, who's received $5,850 in Trump money.
After McCain, the Republican with the largest amount of Trump's contributions is former Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.), who left office in disgrace in 2006 when his online solicitation of male House pages became known. Trump contributed $9,500 to Foley between the 1996 and 2006 election cycles.
Trump has also supported other notable politicians, including:
• $7,000 to former Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), the "liberal lion of the Senate"
• $7,500 to former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (R)
• $5,500 to Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) including $2,000 during his 2004 presidential run
• $5,000 to former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.)
• $4,000 to former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.)
• $2,000 to former President George W. Bush (R)
• $1,000 to then-Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.)
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/02/donald-trumps-donations-to-democrats/
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2015, 07:08:26 AM
To all you Chump supporters. As a Conservative, can you honestly say you approve of these contributions?
Since the 1990 election cycle, the top 10 recipients of Trump's political contributions number six Democrats and four Republicans. Embattled Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), who was censured last year by his U.S. House colleagues, has received the most Trump money, totaling $24,750. The most recent contribution from Trump to Rangel was a $10,000 gift during the 2006 election cycle.
In the most recent election cycle, Trump doled out $22,500 to political candidates, of which $16,200 benefited Democrats.
The top Republican recipient of Trump's money is Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) who has collected $13,600 from the billionaire magnate, the second most of any politician. Trump did not contribute to McCain during the 2010 election cycle, during which the former presidential candidate was facing re-election.
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) is the recipient of $12,000 in Trump contributions, including $10,000 for his 2006 re-election campaign.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has received the fourth-largest amount of Trump's contributions, including $4,800 in the successful 2010 campaign against Tea Party favorite Sharron Angle. In total Trump has contributed $10,400 to Reid.
In 2010, Trump also contributed $4,000 to Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who easily won re-election. Schumer has received $8,900 from Trump since the 1996 election cycle. Trump has also been generous to New York's other Democratic U.S. senator, Kirsten Gillibrand, who's received $5,850 in Trump money.
After McCain, the Republican with the largest amount of Trump's contributions is former Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.), who left office in disgrace in 2006 when his online solicitation of male House pages became known. Trump contributed $9,500 to Foley between the 1996 and 2006 election cycles.
Trump has also supported other notable politicians, including:
• $7,000 to former Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), the "liberal lion of the Senate"
• $7,500 to former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (R)
• $5,500 to Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) including $2,000 during his 2004 presidential run
• $5,000 to former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.)
• $4,000 to former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.)
• $2,000 to former President George W. Bush (R)
• $1,000 to then-Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.)
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/02/donald-trumps-donations-to-democrats/
Thanks for that information, solar. I am passing it along to my mailing list!
Quote from: kroz on July 07, 2015, 07:11:55 AM
Thanks for that information, solar. I am passing it along to my mailing list!
Gladly... :biggrin:
And there's soooo much more, like backing TARP, socialized medicine, or his massive tax increase on the rich.
Point is, this is not what Conservatives advocate, yet many are willing to overlook his leftist track record.
I stand behind what I've said all along, he's nothing but a lib in GOP clothing, in other words, a pure RINO.
Remember when McCain demanded a border fence during his 2012 election campaign? Trump is no different.
Quote from: Solar on July 07, 2015, 07:08:26 AM
To all you Chump supporters. As a Conservative, can you honestly say you approve of these contributions?
Since the 1990 election cycle, the top 10 recipients of Trump's political contributions number six Democrats and four Republicans. Embattled Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.), who was censured last year by his U.S. House colleagues, has received the most Trump money, totaling $24,750. The most recent contribution from Trump to Rangel was a $10,000 gift during the 2006 election cycle.
In the most recent election cycle, Trump doled out $22,500 to political candidates, of which $16,200 benefited Democrats.
The top Republican recipient of Trump's money is Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) who has collected $13,600 from the billionaire magnate, the second most of any politician. Trump did not contribute to McCain during the 2010 election cycle, during which the former presidential candidate was facing re-election.
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) is the recipient of $12,000 in Trump contributions, including $10,000 for his 2006 re-election campaign.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) has received the fourth-largest amount of Trump's contributions, including $4,800 in the successful 2010 campaign against Tea Party favorite Sharron Angle. In total Trump has contributed $10,400 to Reid.
In 2010, Trump also contributed $4,000 to Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), who easily won re-election. Schumer has received $8,900 from Trump since the 1996 election cycle. Trump has also been generous to New York's other Democratic U.S. senator, Kirsten Gillibrand, who's received $5,850 in Trump money.
After McCain, the Republican with the largest amount of Trump's contributions is former Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.), who left office in disgrace in 2006 when his online solicitation of male House pages became known. Trump contributed $9,500 to Foley between the 1996 and 2006 election cycles.
Trump has also supported other notable politicians, including:
• $7,000 to former Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), the "liberal lion of the Senate"
• $7,500 to former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (R)
• $5,500 to Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) including $2,000 during his 2004 presidential run
• $5,000 to former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.)
• $4,000 to former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.)
• $2,000 to former President George W. Bush (R)
• $1,000 to then-Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.)
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2011/02/donald-trumps-donations-to-democrats/
Solar...
You do realize that as a businessman, especially in New York City, Trump (like any business professional who wants to get anything done) needs to "grease the skids" on both sides of the aisle, right?
And, New York being a Liberal controlled town will need a considerable amount of grease on the "Left" skid, so to speak...
$4,000 to Chuck Schumer's 2010 campaign. Oh, I'm shocked. He must be a libb-er-al.
Get a grip. Peanuts! Peanuts to the monkeys. Greasing the egos. If he can own a politician for $4G, I'll hand it to him.
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 07, 2015, 07:53:04 AM
Solar...
You do realize that as a businessman, especially in New York City, Trump (like any business professional who wants to get anything done) needs to "grease the skids" on both sides of the aisle, right?
And, New York being a Liberal controlled town will need a considerable amount of grease on the "Left" skid, so to speak...
No! As a Conservative, I never went against my values for money and power, no true Conservative would, ever!
With that said, I like what Trump is doing, and I support his efforts, but never in a million years would I vote for the guy, it goes against my principles.
You can bank on, that if for some freak of nature he got the nomination, the base would stay home.
I'm for Trump.
The GOP will probably break their a$$ trying to find another loser.
That ok, I will vote third party again.
Hello Hot Lips.
Quote from: darroll on July 07, 2015, 11:17:45 AM
I'm for Trump.
The GOP will probably break their a$$ trying to find another loser.
That ok, I will vote third party again.
Hello Hot Lips.
Consider TEA a third party, except for the fact we're not competing with any party, instead, we're stealing an existing one.
Third party's will always fail, just ask the 20 plus in existence today.
Voting third party (commie) is better than not voting at all?
From my perspective Trump can do us a few favors before he fades. Bringing the illegal immigration issue to the forefront is just the first! I like the way he brings sparks to valid issues. The media cannot ignore Trump so they are forced to cover the issues. Not a bad deal at all.
He may well help us clear the other RINOs from the field because he will not hesitate to call them out on their weaknesses and hypocrisy. Yes, he serves a useful purpose for now! :wink:
You guys seem pretty sure of yourselves that he's gonna fade. I don't think so. I even believe he'd be willing to break away from the Repubs and run 3rd party. I think too many of you "misunderestimate" (my favorite Bushism) his ego, and his ability to connect with MANY tens of millions who are just as fed up with the Repubs as they are with the Dems.
As much as we may despise Hillary and understand what an opportunistic panderer she really is, she will still get AT LEAST 40% of the vote.
If you're all wrong, and Trump is in this to win, he may go 3rd party and take MILLIONS with him. He'll take from the Repubs, and not the Dems.
No party ever holds the Presidency three terms in a row, but with a significant 3rd party challenger, this could be the first
Drudge headliners today! Was Trump wrong?
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Six-times deported illegal charged in felony hit-and-run...
High on pot...
Young children hospitalized...
PREVIOUSLY DEPORTED ILLEGAL CHARGED WITH BURNING WOMAN, SON...
Municipal sewer backs up after clogging with illegal drugs smuggled from Mexico...
Republicans 'to go after sanctuary cities'...
REPORT: More Than 347,000 Convicted Criminal Immigrants At Large In USA...
CDC official called Obama 'Marxist,' 'amateur' over border surge...
Trump gets support from mother of teen slain by illegal...
Somali leaders in Minnesota seek release of men accussed of joining ISIS...
FLASHBACK: Feds relocate 'tens of thousands' of Somalis to Minnesota...
Quote from: darroll on July 07, 2015, 04:11:58 PM
Voting third party (commie) is better than not voting at all?
Sure, if your vote splits the Dim party ticket, otherwise it's a throwaway.
Quote from: carlb on July 07, 2015, 05:17:31 PM
You guys seem pretty sure of yourselves that he's gonna fade. I don't think so. I even believe he'd be willing to break away from the Repubs and run 3rd party. I think too many of you "misunderestimate" (my favorite Bushism) his ego, and his ability to connect with MANY tens of millions who are just as fed up with the Repubs as they are with the Dems.
As much as we may despise Hillary and understand what an opportunistic panderer she really is, she will still get AT LEAST 40% of the vote.
If you're all wrong, and Trump is in this to win, he may go 3rd party and take MILLIONS with him. He'll take from the Repubs, and not the Dems.
No party ever holds the Presidency three terms in a row, but with a significant 3rd party challenger, this could be the first
I don't think Trump would go 3rd party, he know he can not get the votes going 3rd party. They never have and never will.
Quote from: walkstall on July 07, 2015, 06:46:21 PM
I don't think Trump would go 3rd party, he know he can not get the votes going 3rd party. They never have and never will.
The only way he would consider 3rd party is if the RINO leadership cuts him from the debates when he is in a high 3rd position! I could see him splitting the party if they attempt to fix the playing field. I have seen one article in Newsmax that claims a major donator is calling for him to be cut off! If they snub him there could be trouble!!
Quote from: walkstall on July 07, 2015, 06:46:21 PM
I don't think Trump would go 3rd party, he know he can not get the votes going 3rd party. They never have and never will.
Not never. Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind. Back when Presidents built major projects to help the entire world, like the Panama Canal, instead of dimwit Democrat Jiminy Peanut, who gave it away.
Could Trump pull off nominating committees and campaign offices and all the rest for a party for his sole benefit? Maybe. Money talks, but without local candidates or pols willing to leave either GOP or Donk ranks, it's far more doubtful. How could he rule without a party to back him and votes to save him in his proposals? Ask yourself: have any GOPers shown willingness to jump ship? I haven't seen any.
Trump will most likely fancy himself a kingmaker ready to swing the vote to his liking. Thus far he's shown liberal tendencies, which may not discomfort disaffected leftists who used to call themselves Yellow Dogs. When the socialists and crazies took over, they didn't join the GOP, they went into hiding. Trump can draw that bunch to his camp.
Quote from: carlb on July 07, 2015, 05:17:31 PM
You guys seem pretty sure of yourselves that he's gonna fade. I don't think so. I even believe he'd be willing to break away from the Repubs and run 3rd party. I think too many of you "misunderestimate" (my favorite Bushism) his ego, and his ability to connect with MANY tens of millions who are just as fed up with the Repubs as they are with the Dems.
As much as we may despise Hillary and understand what an opportunistic panderer she really is, she will still get AT LEAST 40% of the vote.
If you're all wrong, and Trump is in this to win, he may go 3rd party and take MILLIONS with him. He'll take from the Repubs, and not the Dems.
No party ever holds the Presidency three terms in a row, but with a significant 3rd party challenger, this could be the first
No way Trump goes third party. He wants to be known as a conservative. I agree he is going to serve a good purpose as he has no problems taking on the MSM. He doesn't need their approval to be invited to Washington cocktail parties. In Trump's world he puts on the parties.
I don't think Trump will go third party but he won't fade either. He's hitting all the right notes that the rest of the field dances around...especially immigration. If for no other purpose he forces the field to take stands and say what they actually mean instead of tip-toeing around. Can't wait to see them try to gang up on him in the debates and he kicks all their asses with his bluntness.
He needs to refine his delivery, brush up on foreign affairs and continue to charge straight ahead.
No one thought Obama would win, especially the second time after all his failures. Trump, for better or worse already has nationwide appeal and I suspect that many minority voters like him for his entertainment value as well.
Even if one doesn't watch it, he is a household name due to The Apprentice. Who doesn't know the phrase, "you're fired". There's plenty of dupes out there that vote for reasons far worse than enjoying his show.
Let's keep in mind we have a demographics issue when it comes to voters as well as an ignorance of the issues situation as well.
If he's in it for real, it will show soon enough. If not, he brought a few issues out of the shadows.....especially immigration.
Quote from: Dubinsky on July 08, 2015, 01:20:32 PM
I don't think Trump will go third party but he won't fade either. He's hitting all the right notes that the rest of the field dances around...especially immigration. If for no other purpose he forces the field to take stands and say what they actually mean instead of tip-toeing around. Can't wait to see them try to gang up on him in the debates and he kicks all their asses with his bluntness.
He needs to refine his delivery, brush up on foreign affairs and continue to charge straight ahead.
No one thought Obama would win, especially the second time after all his failures. Trump, for better or worse already has nationwide appeal and I suspect that many minority voters like him for his entertainment value as well.
Even if one doesn't watch it, he is a household name due to The Apprentice. Who doesn't know the phrase, "you're fired". There's plenty of dupes out there that vote for reasons far worse than enjoying his show.
Let's keep in mind we have a demographics issue when it comes to voters as well as an ignorance of the issues situation as well.
If he's in it for real, it will show soon enough. If not, he brought a few issues out of the shadows.....especially immigration.
I think you will find that is his refine delivery. :smile:
Quote from: walkstall on July 08, 2015, 02:22:54 PM
I think you will find that is his refine delivery. :smile:
Still beats GWB's delivery. :laugh:
Quote from: Dubinsky on July 08, 2015, 02:38:27 PM
Still beats GWB's delivery. :laugh:
Even Jeb Bush's. :lol:
POLL: DONALD TRUMP LEADS GOP FIELD IN NORTH CAROLINA (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/08/poll-donald-trump-leads-gop-field-in-north-carolina/)
"...and MEXICO'S gonna pay for that wall.) Watch the interview
Trump hits another point most of us have been waiting to hear.
Quote from: walkstall on July 07, 2015, 06:46:21 PM
I don't think Trump would go 3rd party, he know he can not get the votes going 3rd party. They never have and never will.
I don't know...
There are quite a few of us here, myself included who will flat out not vote for another Bush. Like Perot, Trump has a populist appeal that crosses party lines.
If the Republicans screw up this election, the party is finished!
Trump doesn't allow an NBC reporter to corner him on the issues!
http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/trump-steamrolls-nbc-reporter/
I think Trump excites a lot of people because he fights against the GOP establishment and the media and everyone else. He is a bulldog!
Trump is keeping the border issue alive and probably will draw thousands to his appearance in Phoenix....
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/10/event-for-donald-trump-in-phoenix-will-draw-thousands/
The more the Establishment tells him to "cool it" on immigration.... the more voters he will get!
Trump had the nerve of suggesting that everyone who wades across the border are not nice people. He ran afoul of those millions of Americans who would like to believe those illegals are all nice people. You know, huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Professional politicians know better than to offend the sensibilities of those politically correct Americans. After all, there are millions of them. :biggrin:
The MSM is trying ti use Trump against the rest of the GOP field. Cruz saw it coming. The rest need to man up
There are MILLIONS MORE that recognize that this ILLEGAL INVASION/COLONIZATION is America's greatest threat. That's why Trump has the appeal he has.
BTW, he never said EVERYONE. That's an old Demonrat trick.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 10, 2015, 08:32:56 PM
Trump had the nerve of suggesting that everyone who wades across the border are not nice people. He ran afoul of those millions of Americans who would like to believe those illegals are all nice people. You know, huddled masses yearning to breathe free.
Professional politicians know better than to offend the sensibilities of those politically correct Americans. After all, there are millions of them. :biggrin:
Quote from: carlb on July 11, 2015, 05:35:25 AM
BTW, he never said EVERYONE. That's an old Demonrat trick.
That's right. They know two things. One, most Democrats can and will finish the sentence for them before it's gone half way. Two, even those rare Democrats capable of absorbing a complete thought lack the capacity to process the information therein to any sensible response.
So, debate is cut off before it begins. Notice Trump's concern is with Mexico, it's leaders, and inept American leadership. The media quickly translated that into an insult to the Mexican people. Look, I have lived all my life around "Mexicans." Yes, they are becoming more intermarried, but I can still tell a Mexican. These people doing the crimes (all I see is the mug shots and the prison documentaries) they are not Mexicans. They are some other breed, like Hondurans or Guatamalans. I don't know, it is hard to tell beneath all those tattoos.
Los Angeles PD's Most Wanted (
From an Ann Coulter Column on Illegal Immigration (http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-07-01.html)):
QuoteHere is the Los Angeles Police Department's list of "Most Wanted" criminal suspects:
-- Jesse Enrique Monarrez (murder),
-- Cesar Augusto Nistal (child molestation),
-- Jose A. Padilla (murder),
-- Demecio Carlos Perez (murder),
-- Ramon Reyes, (robbery and murder),
-- Victor Vargas (murder),
-- Ruben Villa (murder)
The full "Most Wanted" list (http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted)doesn't get any better.
QuoteNo wonder the media is sputtering at Trump. He broke the embargo on unpleasant facts about what our immigration policies are doing to the country.
Quote from: carlb on July 12, 2015, 03:26:22 PM
Los Angeles PD's Most Wanted (From an Ann Coulter Column on Illegal Immigration (http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-07-01.html)):
Point well made! Touche'
Quote from: kroz on July 12, 2015, 03:48:55 PM
Point well made! Touche'
Please read the Ann Coulter column. The TRUTH is much worse than most of us imagine
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-07-01.html
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-07-01.html
QuoteWhen Donald Trump said something not exuberantly enthusiastic about Mexican immigrants, the media's response was to boycott him. One thing they didn't do was produce any facts showing he was wrong.
Not only that they did not quote every thing he said like always, when it does not fit their agenda.
90% of ALL politicians, corporations, and the media don't have America's best interest in mind. Every murder, every rape, every home invasion committed by ILLEGALS is the responsibility of those allowing/importing these people. Obama has the blood of each of these AMERICAN victims on his hands.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 11, 2015, 09:59:02 AM
Notice Trump's concern is with Mexico, it's leaders, and inept American leadership. The media quickly translated that into an insult to the Mexican people.
What's the media gonna say about Mexican 'leaders' now, in the aftermath of Cartel-kingpin Chap Guzman's escape from
'maximum security' prison for the SECOND time... ?
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2015/07/12/chapo-guzmans-escape-may-be-mexican-pres-pena-nieto-biggest-embarrassment/
So far we're just hearing the
he should've been imprisoned in the US semi-dodge... The media certainly won't impune Mexican Government-officials.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/12/dismay-in-us-over-guzman-escape-from-mexican-prison/
Bypass Immigration, bypass assimilation.
From day one, when the Puritans landed at Plymouth and signed the Mayflower Compact, joining the colony that would one day give birth to the USA and its Constitution, people joining the USA went through some kind of a process that affirmed loyalty to the nation and acceptance of its laws. But with two notable exceptions, former slaves and illegal crossings.
Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and Congressional Amnesty are alike and different in two separate ways: alike in that they both grant citizenship.
Different in that unlike every measure preceding them, back to the Mayflower Compact, neither order requires ir required any agreement in return.
A third category that presents a problem with the immigration/assimilation syndrome is comprised of those who have and never had any intention of assimilating, even obeying the law, but who will say or have said whatever it took to satisfy the officials, fingers crossed behind their backs.
Now, just as some of America's most patriotic citizens are descended from former slaves, crossed fingers or illegal crossings. Especially in the cases of veterans who have taken the enlistment oath, there can be no question that an agreement is in place. The point is that no initial Compact was ever signed. This leaves the door open to one such as Farrakhan, and others who can say that, basically, they are here against their will. That, incidentally, is why we have Liberia.
This discussion cannot account for citizens whose ancestors came here in agreement but who, over time, have been persuaded to a different set of rules, say communism or Islam.
Refugees? Well, there can be an argument that there was no choice. In the cases of refugees, a temporary status is usually granted. When the problem at home has been resolved in their favor, normally one might think there would be a period of choice, especially when children are involved. Refugees are a special status. An especially unusual status would be granted, in the public mind, at least, to make-believe refugees who are either here as hidden members of organized crime, for narcotics trafficking as an example, or for the purposes of international political subversion, such as communists.
Trans Pacific Trade Agreement
America Distracted
So, now, the Bank of England, after twenty diligent years, has finally closed the deal. While America was distracted by Caitlyn Jenner, the Charleston "shooting," and the Confederate Flag, the Central Banks, through TPA, finally have the legislation to commit the USA to the European Union and Asian Trade. As a stipulation, the American presidency has been granted dictatorial powers, which will come in handy in the administration of closet Vatican agent , JEB Bush. We now have our UN government, Vatican and Moslem partnership, one vote of twelve. Where was the Protestant American business establishment? Oh, arguing about gay wedding cakes, :lol: That, and striking the next Taiwanese deal.
A Joint Leftist Effort
American black puppets, you know, really solid folks like the New Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam, did their part. Now, watch the administration act like they've never heard of 'em.
My question concerns Donald Trump. Considering the timing, and the certain association with the Goldman Sachs and the rest of the central banks, was he or wasn't he? Remember folks, this TPA is probably the most significant piece of legislation in 50 years, NAFTA and GATT included. You don't get the Jesuit Pope's attention with a tariff dispute. The Pope told American Catholics, in so many words, "stand down, do not resist." Independent thinkers we know they are, Catholics went along. As time goes on, we will see just how big this really is, just as we learned how big a wolf in sheep's clothing NAFTA really is.
If I have to spell it out, the Third World and the Moslem UN just cut themselves in on the American economy. Well, I guess all things considered, it was inevitable, taking American expansion into consideration. Still...the overall picture is troubling, especially considering the leftward drift of America.
To keep the left happy, we caved to Iran, big time.
My guess is that the Iranian deal served a dual purpose. One, it serves the Democratic left (Obama) interest in weakening America and furthering the Cloward Piven. (Notice how cleverly they used the White House and the media in Baltimore, Ferguson, and others in the orchestra, to step up anti-white prejudice) and two, serving the GOP, brought us closer to WWIII, which is the goal, and closer to nuclear attacks on Israel and the USA. Incidentally, Iran already has a nuclear warhead they bought from Russia. Not making this up, folks, listen to your Generals, if you can find an honest one.
Bottom line, Cruz voted for it, as did the rest of the GOP.
https://www.tedcruz.org/a-note-to-conservatives-on-trade-agreements/
Oh, hell, let's go back to talking about the confederate flag. Way more interesting than all this international intrigue.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 15, 2015, 04:43:38 PM
Bottom line, Cruz voted for it, as did the rest of the GOP.
https://www.tedcruz.org/a-note-to-conservatives-on-trade-agreements/
Oh, hell, let's go back to talking about the confederate flag. Way more interesting than all this international intrigue.
Not really following your point here, Cruz did not vote for it as you stated..
Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2015, 06:32:12 PM
Not really following your point here, Cruz did not vote for it as you stated..
Was there a vote in congress that we don't know about. :rolleyes:
I stand corrected. There is another vote yet to come. That's what I get for listening to Alex Jones.
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Related: Politics
Senate pushes Obama's Pacific Rim trade pact forward
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/24/us-usa-trade-vote-idUSKBN0P31TF20150624
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DEBATE LIMITED
The Senate voted 60-37 on Tuesday to limit debate on the fast-track measure. That just barely satisfied the 60-vote threshold needed after two senators who supported the bill on its first run through the Senate a month ago - Republican Ted Cruz and Democrat Ben Cardin - changed their votes to "no."
"Today is a very big vote. It's an important moment for the country," said Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, the chamber's top Republican, in urging senators to support the 12-nation TPP, a central part of Obama's foreign policy pivot to Asia.
Democrat Sherrod Brown, who voted "no" on fast-track, said the trade deal would benefit companies at the expense of workers. "This is a day of celebration in the corporate suites of this country," he said after the vote.
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That would leave just one section of the four-part trade package outstanding, a bill to strengthen customs and enforcement that must be considered by a joint committee of lawmakers from both chambers.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 15, 2015, 07:48:57 PM
I stand corrected. There is another vote yet to come. That's what I get for listening to Alex Jones.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
Been there, done that. Which is why I never listen to him anymore.
Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2015, 07:59:06 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: Been there, done that. Which is why I never listen to him anymore.
Still, Solar, when we see Congress passing a "no debate on this one" rule, we can be pretty sure it is in the bag, this Pacific Trade and Fast Track Authority. The big spenders have their hearts set on it.
What I have learned about it has been pieced together from radio shows like Mark Levin, The Wilko, and from various sources on the web. Whack jobs like David Icke have been put out there to inoculate Americans against "con-speericy theeries."
Quote from: red_dirt on July 16, 2015, 05:40:03 AM
Still, Solar, when we see Congress passing a "no debate on this one" rule, we can be pretty sure it is in the bag, this Pacific Trade and Fast Track Authority. The big spenders have their hearts set on it.
What I have learned about it has been pieced together from radio shows like Mark Levin, The Wilko, and from various sources on the web. Whack jobs like David Icke have been put out there to inoculate Americans against "con-speericy theeries."
So what's your point?
The point is to bring this deal to light, put the terms on the table, so that voters will know just what our elected representatives are doing to this economy. Why would anyone in their right mind assign fast track authority over anything to Barack Obama and what might be coming down the road after he is done.
Let me be clear on Trump. I like what he's dpoing, I love how the RNC claims he'd tarnishing the GOP image. Yeah, as if they haven't destroyed it already. :lol:
I love the fact he's speaking out and telling the truth, it helps expose both party's for the frauds and liars they truly are.
But as far as I'm concerned, he'll never make it through the summer, that's who he is, a flash in the pan, loves the spotlight, grabs the mic and screams "NOTICE ME, I'm Great!"
But believe me, as soon as the attention fades and it will, he will simply fade away, just like he always does, his ego won't allow him to lose, and regaining the spotlight would be too much of a battle in running the risk of rejection which is too much for the guy.
But I support what he's doing at the moment.
Well maybe I need to rethink this Trump thing. If McCain hates him, he can't be all bad!
QuoteMcCain said that Donald Trump's comments on immigration have "fired up the crazies" in the Republican Party.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/john-mccain-has-a-few-things-to-say-about-donald-trump
I REALLY DESPISE McCain!
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2015, 04:36:40 PM
Let me be clear on Trump. I like what he's dpoing, I love how the RNC claims he'd tarnishing the GOP image. Yeah, as if they haven't destroyed it already. :lol:
I love the fact he's speaking out and telling the truth, it helps expose both party's for the frauds and liars they truly are.
But as far as I'm concerned, he'll never make it through the summer, that's who he is, a flash in the pan, loves the spotlight, grabs the mic and screams "NOTICE ME, I'm Great!"
But believe me, as soon as the attention fades and it will, he will simply fade away, just like he always does, his ego won't allow him to lose, and regaining the spotlight would be too much of a battle in running the risk of rejection which is too much for the guy.
But I support what he's doing at the moment.
No way Trump will put all his 10 billion in holdings in a blind trust! He will stir the pot through the fall and quietly bail out! Trump will throw his considerable weight behind someone else! Cruz Knows this! That meeting wasn't a wine tasting get together! I suspect Trump will be meeting with others too!
Quote from: redbeard on July 16, 2015, 06:07:15 PM
No way Trump will put all his 10 billion in holdings in a blind trust! He will stir the pot through the fall and quietly bail out! Trump will throw his considerable weight behind someone else! Cruz Knows this! That meeting wasn't a wine tasting get together! I suspect Trump will be meeting with others too!
I think you're right on the money.
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2015, 08:46:15 PM
I think you're right on the money.
One more thing! If I was Trump with the debates coming up, I would get a few of the conservatives that will be there on the same page to help knock the RINO's down a peg or 2. If this is what he is doing watch for other meeting with other contenders! Like I've been saying this will be a fun primary season!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: redbeard on July 16, 2015, 09:24:54 PM
One more thing! If I was Trump with the debates coming up, I would get a few of the conservatives that will be there on the same page to help knock the RINO's down a peg or 2. If this is what he is doing watch for other meeting with other contenders! Like I've been saying this will be a fun primary season!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Agree with that. At this point, one of the main concerns is that Cruz/Bush match.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 17, 2015, 04:57:22 AM
Agree with that. At this point, one of the main concerns is that Cruz/Bush match.
Match...You mean debate?
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2015, 05:54:23 AM
Match...You mean debate?
The debate would be the least of my concerns. Cruz would cruzify JEB in any debate, though JEB could no doubt hire a louder cheering section.
No, I mean the match-up. Let's say everyone dropped but JEB and Cruz. It would be pretty obvious where the support for each was based. That's the contest I am referring to and directing my attention to. Cruz can beat him, but he has to play every card exactly right, overcome the home court advantage, and have 110% support of his base.
It is not so plain how JEB has managed to achieve the position he has, or raised the money, since it seems clear JEB started with very modest rank and file support, like, under 10%, and does not seem to have done much of anything to explain any improvement. Yet, there he is, right in there with the best of them, smiling away. Doesn't this seem like a movie we have been to before?
Financially, we are on the edge of a precipice. The wrong candidate, which would be any Bush, any Kennedy, with the right connections, a Reid, a Boehner, and a McConnell, could pull off a Treasury heist from the inside, the likes of which has never been seen.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 17, 2015, 06:27:25 AM
The debate would be the least of my concerns. Cruz would cruzify JEB in any debate, though JEB could no doubt hire a louder cheering section.
No, I mean the match-up. Let's say everyone dropped but JEB and Cruz. It would be pretty obvious where the support for each was based. That's the contest I am referring to and directing my attention to. Cruz can beat him, but he has to play every card exactly right, overcome the home court advantage, and have 110% support of his base.
It is not so plain how JEB has managed to achieve the position he has, or raised the money, since it seems clear JEB started with very modest rank and file support, like, under 10%, and does not seem to have done much of anything to explain any improvement. Yet, there he is, right in there with the best of them, smiling away. Doesn't this seem like a movie we have been to before?
Financially, we are on the edge of a precipice. The wrong candidate, which would be any Bush, any Kennedy, with the right connections, a Reid, a Boehner, and a McConnell, could pull off a Treasury heist from the inside, the likes of which has never been seen.
It won't, but for giggles, lets assume Bush held out to the end and came up against Cruz.
Jeb would be slaughtered, he has no supporters beyond crony capitalists and the media.
The support Bush is amplified by these two entities, creating the illusion of support, when in truth, Bush gets 3% or less of the base.
Personally, I'm surprised he's still in the running. Probably because the Establishment put all their eggs in three baskets, Bush, Rubio and Rand as backup.
In truth, none of these people have a prayer, but watch as Rubio slowly fades, and Rand to be pushed to the sacrificial forefront, while Bush sits in the background waiting for another shot as all the candidates slowly fade away.
This format repeats every election cycle, and it only worked so far as clearing the field of competition, but never gets them elected, as evidenced by Bush 41, Dole, McCain, Mitten.
The formula only worked in keeping the Establishment in power, something they willingly accepted.
Reagan was the exception, as will be Cruz.
This is funny for a liberal rag
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Quote from: Dori on July 17, 2015, 09:19:30 AM
This is funny for a liberal rag
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That's great, but its the kiddie pool Trump is doc ng in. That's why I he rinos are so upset. He makes too many waves.
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I like this. Trump is doing the dirty work for the GOP. He proving conservative ideals like border security are actually popular. I say let him do his thing.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 17, 2015, 07:55:15 PM
I like this. Trump is doing the dirty work for the GOP. He proving conservative ideals like border security are actually popular. I say let him do his thing.
I agree. It seems however that it should be pretty obvious to our candidates without Trumps help. Truth is that politicians are sold out on Hispanic vote. Most can't even acknowledge the cost of illegal immigration because they are catering to Hispanics in one way or the other. Ever wonder why we give them special tax id's so that they can anchor themselves to the United States with mortgages and car loans etc. That is why they have not been successful in eradicating Obama Care. Because someone has to pay to take care of the medical needs of illegal aliens.
The Trump self destruction has begun in my view. The criticism of McCain for being a POW is out of line. There is so much more to criticize McCain about. This reflects Trump's "shoot from the hip" approach. While he is serving a good purpose in emphasizing the immigration situation these type gaffes will marginalize him in the long run.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 18, 2015, 12:49:48 PM
The Trump self destruction has begun in my view. The criticism of McCain for being a POW is out of line. There is so much more to criticize McCain about. This reflects Trump's "shoot from the hip" approach. While he is serving a good purpose in emphasizing the immigration situation these type gaffes will marginalize him in the long run.
This may in fact be the hole in his boat that takes him out of the race and forces him to disembark.
I'm just surprised he shot himself in the foot so early, and right through the bottom of the boat.
"He's not a war hero," Trump, a Republican running for president, said of McCain. "I like people that weren't captured. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2015, 01:05:17 PM
This may in fact be the hole in his boat that takes him out of the race and forces him to disembark.
I'm just surprised he shot himself in the foot so early, and right through the bottom of the boat.
"He's not a war hero," Trump, a Republican running for president, said of McCain. "I like people that weren't captured. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
Quite a few people here knew it was coming. It is just the beginning of candidates eliminating themselves.
BTW, Walker got a benefit today when Trumpka said he was a disgrace to the US.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 18, 2015, 02:21:03 PM
Quite a few people here knew it was coming. It is just the beginning of candidates eliminating themselves.
BTW, Walker got a benefit today when Trumpka said he was a disgrace to the US.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now that's an endorsement I could live with.
I take pride when a lib calls me names. :biggrin:
He sounds a lot like Gen Patton:
QuoteThe object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. George S. Patton
Suffering ISNT the definition of a hero, and McCain isn't/wasnt -- any more than John Kerry.
The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides (http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm)
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 18, 2015, 12:49:48 PM
The Trump self destruction has begun in my view. The criticism of McCain for being a POW is out of line. There is so much more to criticize McCain about. This reflects Trump's "shoot from the hip" approach. While he is serving a good purpose in emphasizing the immigration situation these type gaffes will marginalize him in the long run.
Quote from: carlb on July 18, 2015, 03:07:50 PM
He sounds a lot like Gen Patton:
Suffering ISNT the definition of a hero, and McCain isn't/wasnt -- any more than John Kerry.
The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides (http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm)
Hero or not, Trump was a fool in giving the enemy powder to blow his ass up.
I can't stand Johnny, but even I know that going down that road was stupid. :biggrin:
I agree, he lashes out and can't seem to control his tounge. You do know this all started with McCain don't you? He said Trump is inspiring the "crazies" in the Republican Party. He's the same idiot who called the Tea Party candidates "wacko birds"
The guy is despicable. He's everything wrong with the Republican Party. I may be the only one, but I don't fault Trump for not letting McCain get away with his shit.
Quote from: carlb on July 18, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
I agree, he lashes out and can't seem to control his tounge. You do know this all started with McCain don't you? He said Trump is inspiring the "crazies" in the Republican Party. He's the same idiot who called the Tea Party candidates "wacko birds"
The guy is despicable. He's everything wrong with the Republican Party. I may be the only one, but I don't fault Trump for not letting McCain get away with his shit.
Yeah, I know, and Trump foolishly took the bait.
What he should have done is exposed how Johnny campaigned to "build the damn fence" back in 2012, then questioned Johnnies sanity, or accuse him of outright lying.
Leaving the constituency with the option of one of two answers, liar or too old to be a Representative.
That's how you turn the tables on these RINO, expose their lying hypocrisy.
That's why Cruz is a better candidate. He handles these things with wisdom. Trump does lack sense, but I still DESPISE McCain.
Quote from: carlb on July 18, 2015, 04:24:35 PM
That's why Cruz is a better candidate. He handles these things with wisdom. Trump does lack sense, but I still DESPISE McCain.
:biggrin:
Yes, like I said earlier, Cruz is a young man with the wisdom of an 80 year old.
McCain's a traitor, there really is no other way to describe the ass hole.
The entire Establishment sold out the country for their own selfish reasons, and If I were elected, they'd all be facing treason charges and shot.
"Vote for me, I'll kill em all without prejudice." Maybe I need to rethink my campaign slogan a bit.....
Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2015, 04:40:15 PM
:biggrin:
Yes, like I said earlier, Cruz is a young man with the wisdom of an 80 year old.
McCain's a traitor, there really is no other way to describe the ass hole.
The entire Establishment sold out the country for their own selfish reasons, and If I were elected, they'd all be facing treason charges and shot.
"Vote for me, I'll kill em all without prejudice." Maybe I need to rethink my campaign slogan a bit.....
Hmm... and another one bites the dust!
Quote from: carlb on July 18, 2015, 04:24:35 PM
That's why Cruz is a better candidate. He handles these things with wisdom. Trump does lack sense, but I still DESPISE McCain.
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Well, kids, isn't it time we finally admitted how badly our generation screwed up, judging by the people we sent to Congress?
I'll just use the lib-tactic to semi-defend Trump: If McCain had retired after '08 like he should've, this wouldn't have happened. Though I don't think the comments are gonna haunt anybody for long.
Dems can't say anything on it... after calling Romney a murderer, and savaging the McCain/Palin ticket. And for any (loose word) 'intrepid' network pundits who try to confront Trump will be shot-down with video-tape of said pundit bad-mouthing McCain.
Quote from: kit saginaw on July 18, 2015, 08:03:36 PM
I'll just use the lib-tactic to semi-defend Trump: If McCain had retired after '08 like he should've, this wouldn't have happened. Though I don't think the comments are gonna haunt anybody for long.
Dems can't say anything on it... after calling Romney a murderer, and savaging the McCain/Palin ticket. And for any (loose word) 'intrepid' network pundits who try to confront Trump will be shot-down with video-tape of said pundit bad-mouthing McCain.
Look, My dad was an ex-POW but to me it wasn't only that he was shot down that made him a hero, It is all the missions he flew in a B-26 prior to being shot down! McCain also flew a lot of missions. Trump should not have attack his service record! With that said this blunder will die away! Trump his a record supporting our troops and even supported McCain when he ran for president!
One of the things I found interesting with all the blanket chastising he received from the rest of the GOP field Walker and Cruz issued statements supporting McCain's record but did not call Trump out by name!
Quote
•Sen. Ted Cruz: "John McCain is an American hero. Although we have some policy disagreements, I'm proud to serve alongside him."
•Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker: "@SenJohnMcCain is an American hero, period. I'll denounce any attack against his service and anyone else who wears the uniform. -SW"
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/trump-mccain-comments-gop/2015/07/18/id/657819/#ixzz3gN0D2kmm
Pretty mild rebuke when compared to the others! Again I think there is maneuvering behind the scenes to win Trumps support when he exits the field!
Growing up, I always understood the term hero was reserved for people that put their own lives at risk to save others, went way beyond the call of duty, extraordinary people, people that never seek the limelight, return to normal life wanting no recognition, knowing what they did is what being American is all about.
So would someone tell me what in the Hell makes Johnny, the crony socialist, a freakin hero?
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 02:09:35 PM
Growing up, I always understood the term hero was reserved for people that put their own lives at risk to save others, went way beyond the call of duty, extraordinary people, people that never seek the limelight, return to normal life wanting no recognition, knowing what they did is what being American is all about.
So would someone tell me what in the Hell makes Johnny, the crony socialist, a freakin hero?
I agree. It really is difficult to think of McCain as a "hero" when he has done so many things to hurt this Nation during his years in the Senate!
Are his war years suppose to exempt him from ever losing his "hero" status??? I think not!
It is possible to lose your "title"!
Quote from: kroz on July 19, 2015, 02:16:30 PM
I agree. It really is difficult to think of McCain as a "hero" when he has done so many things to hurt this Nation during his years in the Senate!
Are his war years suppose to exempt him from ever losing his "hero" status??? I think not!
It is possible to lose your "title"!
But what qualifies him as a hero? Did he save lives in prison, is there more to the story?
I did hear one version that claimed he refused to leave others behind when offered in a trade for freedom, but another POW called it bull and lies, that Johnny had made concessions for better treatment.
Anyone know the truth?
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 02:21:11 PM
But what qualifies him as a hero? Did he save lives in prison, is there more to the story?
I did hear one version that claimed he refused to leave others behind when offered in a trade for freedom, but another POW called it bull and lies, that Johnny had made concessions for better treatment.
Anyone know the truth?
Not I.
He definitely has joint problems due to torture when imprisoned. He cannot lift his arms in a normal fashion. That is why he is so adamantly against ANY form of perceived "torture".... i.e. water boarding.
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 02:09:35 PM
Growing up, I always understood the term hero was reserved for people that put their own lives at risk to save others, went way beyond the call of duty, extraordinary people, people that never seek the limelight, return to normal life wanting no recognition, knowing what they did is what being American is all about.
So would someone tell me what in the Hell makes Johnny, the crony socialist, a freakin hero?
From reports of others held captive McCain endured daily beatings but refused to crack! The scars of his confinement are evident by the lost motion in his arms! I will not deny him his service record or hero statist!
With that said, it does not make him right or wrong on political issues and his service record from so long ago shouldn't be used to hide behind! Bringing up McCain's service record is a mistake! It should be off limits!
Quote from: redbeard on July 19, 2015, 02:36:10 PM
From reports of others held captive McCain endured daily beatings but refused to crack! The scars of his confinement are evident by the lost motion in his arms! I will not deny him his service record or hero statist!
With that said, it does not make him right or wrong on political issues and his service record from so long ago shouldn't be used to hide behind! Bringing up McCain's service record is a mistake! It should be off limits!
Here's what Trump actually said. Thanks to Sharyl Attkinsson.
https://sharylattkisson.com/fact-check-the-washington-post-on-donald-trump-and-john-mccain/
4. Is the Post's characterization an accident? It would appear not, because it is repeated in the Post's caption of the video clip, which also states: "Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam war veteran, was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese [emphasis added]."
Further, in the Post's second sentence, Trump is quoted as stating of McCain, "He's not a war hero...He's a war hero because he was captured," but the article selectively left out the phrase Trump had uttered in between: "He is a war hero."
Conclusion
Trump actually said the opposite of what the Post lead sentence and video caption claim. The Post might have been able to get away stating that Trump "implied" McCain was not a war hero because McCain was captured, but even that would have been a subjective interpretation since Trump had actually stated the opposite.
On November 11, 1992, Dolores Alfond, sister of missing airman Capt. Victor Apodaca and chair of the National Alliance of Families, an organization of relatives of POW/MIAs, testified at one of the Senate committee's public hearings. She asked for information about data the government had gathered from electronic devices used in a classified program known as PAVE SPIKE.
The devices were primarily motion sensors, dropped by air, designed to pick up enemy troop movements. But they also had rescue capabilities. Someone on the ground–a downed airman or a prisoner on a labor gang–could manually enter data into the sensor, which were regularly collected electronically by US planes flying overhead. Alfond stated, without any challenge from the committee, that in 1974, a year after the supposedly complete return of prisoners, the gathered data showed that a person or people had manually entered into the sensors–as US pilots had been trained to do–"no less than 20 authenticator numbers that corresponded exactly to the classified authenticator numbers of 20 US POW/MIAs who were lost in Laos." Alfond added, says the transcript: "This PAVE SPIKE intelligence is seamless, but the committee has not discussed it or released what it knows about PAVE SPIKE."
McCain, whose POW status made him the committee's most powerful member, attended that hearing specifically to confront Alfond because of her criticism of the panel's work. He bellowed and berated her for quite a while. His face turning anger-pink, he accused her of "denigrating" his "patriotism." The bullying had its effect–she began to cry.
After a pause Alfond recovered and tried to respond to his scorching tirade, but McCain simply turned and stormed out of the room. The PAVE SPIKE file has never been declassified. We still don't know anything about those 20 POWs.
http://www.thenation.com/article/why-has-john-mccain-blocked-info-mias/
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 02:21:11 PM
But what qualifies him as a hero? Did he save lives in prison, is there more to the story?
I did hear one version that claimed he refused to leave others behind when offered in a trade for freedom, but another POW called it bull and lies, that Johnny had made concessions for better treatment.
Anyone know the truth?
Well one person that by all reports was a true Hero and medal of Honor winner served time with McCain in Hanoi Is general Bud Day! one of the leaders of the Swift Boaters against Kerry movement was a friend of McCain and supported him. If he was a sell out Bud Day, a very remarkable hero, would never have supported him!
I will trust General Day on this out of respect to him!
PS, Goggle his name! A very remarkable man!! :popcorn:
Quote from: redbeard on July 19, 2015, 02:36:10 PM
From reports of others held captive McCain endured daily beatings but refused to crack! The scars of his confinement are evident by the lost motion in his arms! I will not deny him his service record or hero statist!
With that said, it does not make him right or wrong on political issues and his service record from so long ago shouldn't be used to hide behind! Bringing up McCain's service record is a mistake! It should be off limits!
Why Swift boat John Kerry's was open by the Swift boaters, Bush 2 record was also wide open. There are hero and then there are HERO!
Quote from: walkstall on July 19, 2015, 03:16:11 PM
Why Swift boat John Kerry's was open by the Swift boaters, Bush 2 record was also wide open. There are hero and then there are HERO!
See Above in my last post!
Quote from: redbeard on July 19, 2015, 03:15:36 PM
Well one person that by all reports was a true Hero and medal of Honor winner served time with McCain in Hanoi Is general Bud Day! one of the leaders of the Swift Boaters against Kerry movement was a friend of McCain and supported him. If he was a sell out Bud Day, a very remarkable hero, would never have supported him!
I will trust General Day on this out of respect to him!
PS, Goggle his name! A very remarkable man!! :popcorn:
See Reply #235.
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 03:48:54 PM
See Reply #235.
Yea! I read that! He is a real jerk but it doesn't reduce what he did or went through during the war! McCain hides behind his war status which is also wrong!
Quote from: redbeard on July 19, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
Yea! I read that! He is a real jerk but it doesn't reduce what he did or went through during the war! McCain hides behind his war status which is also wrong!
So, you say he "uses" his war status to accomplish ulterior motives? Do real heroes do that?
Do you think WWII vets would make a practice of that?
Quote from: kroz on July 19, 2015, 04:40:02 PM
So, you say he "uses" his war status to accomplish ulterior motives? Do real heroes do that?
Do you think WWII vets would make a practice of that?
Some did! Bob Dole? Jessie Ventura?
Quote from: redbeard on July 19, 2015, 04:43:18 PM
Some did! Bob Dole? Jessie Ventura?
Good point...... but both are "politicians" with questionable judgement! :rolleyes:
It's funny listed ng to the media and Trump's competition trying to make hay out of this.
They all care that the leading RINO was insulted but they all are silent when McCain insults a huge percentage of the Republican voting base "wackobirds and crazies"
Quote from: carlb on July 19, 2015, 04:48:14 PM
It's funny listed ng to the media and Trump's competition trying to make hay out of this.
They all care that the leading RINO was insulted but they all are silent when McCain insults a huge percentage of the Republican voting base "wackobirds and crazies"
Typical media double standard....... nothing new about that!
And now he's almost out.
Trump needs to STFU or have his mouth sewn shut for him, he overstepped his bounds this time.
What the Hell were you doing Trump when McCain was flying missions IN THE SERVICE OF HIS COUNTRY? Were you riding some kind of deferrment? Or were you a 4-F? You have no business mocking McCain's MILITARY SERVICE.
I dislike McCain and consider him a Has Been RINO but as a Vietnam Vet I respect his service and his ordeal and ALWAYS WILL....mocking his service AND HIS SACRIFICE HE ENDURED in that service just lowered Trump into almost Lib-like status.
Those of us who are Vets will remember....not that I'd ever vote for Trump.....
Suddenly t he left is defending McCain.
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 02:21:11 PM
But what qualifies him as a hero? Did he save lives in prison, is there more to the story?
I did hear one version that claimed he refused to leave others behind when offered in a trade for freedom, but another POW called it bull and lies, that Johnny had made concessions for better treatment.
Anyone know the truth?
Lots of people said lots of things about McCain, who really knows the truth.....I know this much...McCain was tortured and starved to make him sign a confession....he never did, some of those guys did....can't say I blame them...you'll do anything under torture even though as a Military man you are forbidden to do so.
Second, He put a lot of effort into finding and locating the remains of lots of MIA AMERICAN pilots and servicemen who were shot down, captured and killed, his efforts allowed many teams to enter Vietnam and Laos to recover American servicemen's remains, returned them home for a proper Burial, gave their families a lot of closure.
As a Viet Vet I respect him for that..
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 19, 2015, 07:11:54 PM
Lots of people said lots of things about McCain, who really knows the truth.....I know this much...McCain was tortured and starved to make him sign a confession....he never did, some of those guys did....can't say I blame them...you'll do anything under torture even though as a Military man you are forbidden to do so.
Second, He put a lot of effort into finding and locating the remains of lots of MIA AMERICAN pilots and servicemen who were shot down, captured and killed, his efforts allowed many teams to enter Vietnam and Laos to recover American servicemen's remains, returned them home for a proper Burial, gave their families a lot of closure.
As a Viet Vet I respect him for that..
All too much has gone unanswered, more questions created than answered.
See Reply #235
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 19, 2015, 07:11:54 PM
Lots of people said lots of things about McCain, who really knows the truth.....I know this much...McCain was tortured and starved to make him sign a confession....he never did, some of those guys did....can't say I blame them...you'll do anything under torture even though as a Military man you are forbidden to do so.
Second, He put a lot of effort into finding and locating the remains of lots of MIA AMERICAN pilots and servicemen who were shot down, captured and killed, his efforts allowed many teams to enter Vietnam and Laos to recover American servicemen's remains, returned them home for a proper Burial, gave their families a lot of closure.
As a Viet Vet I respect him for that..
Everyone basically agrees with ya...
on paper. But McCain's constantly running-his-mouth-off against Trump's immigration stance and misrepresented illegal-immigrant comments. Now McCain will have to think twice about calling candidates and their supporters 'crazy'. Once can be overlooked. Twice is an epidemic.
Thanks for your service.
No Trump slump for his McCain remarks.....
http://whotv.com/2015/07/20/weekend-iowa-poll-no-trump-slump-for-mccain-remarks/
His poll numbers just continue to grow...... well, at least they are not going down! :confused:
Quote from: kroz on July 19, 2015, 04:45:51 PM
Good point...... but both are "politicians" with questionable judgement! :rolleyes:
Bear in mind, that
good judgement we associate with elected officials is a learned skill. We have an Congress and White House full of politicians of good judgement and stellar resumes, politicians who rarely, if utter a word out of turn.
I think it is safe to say if we had a Congress made up 51% of Donald Trump and like personas, the Obama history would tell quite a different story than it is going to tell.
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the running mate for Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)43%
's (R-AZ) 2008 presidential campaign, weighed in on the dispute between McCain and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, posting a message on her Facebook page calling both men heroes and encouraging them to "resolve the media-driven wedge between them."
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/07/20/sarah-palin-donald-trump-and-john-mccain-both-heroes-should-apologize/
Most of the politicians are afraid of Trump.
You can't talk thru both sides of your mouth with Trump around.
Hope he does not scare the babies.
Quote from: kroz on July 20, 2015, 04:28:02 PM
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the running mate for Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)43%
's (R-AZ) 2008 presidential campaign, weighed in on the dispute between McCain and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, posting a message on her Facebook page calling both men heroes and encouraging them to "resolve the media-driven wedge between them."
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/07/20/sarah-palin-donald-trump-and-john-mccain-both-heroes-should-apologize/
No one ever accused Sarah of ducking the hard sell. :ttoung:
Quote from: kroz on July 19, 2015, 04:40:02 PM
So, you say he "uses" his war status to accomplish ulterior motives? Do real heroes do that?
Do you think WWII vets would make a practice of that?
Kerry, McCain, Eisenhower, Bush, .... resume builders..
Quote from: kroz on July 20, 2015, 04:28:02 PM
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the running mate for Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)43%
's (R-AZ) 2008 presidential campaign, weighed in on the dispute between McCain and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, posting a message on her Facebook page calling both men heroes and encouraging them to "resolve the media-driven wedge between them."
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/07/20/sarah-palin-donald-trump-and-john-mccain-both-heroes-should-apologize/
I've always loved Sarah Palin!
We got scammed by the MSM again. If you dare, listen to Dana loesch's interview with Trump. The media selectively edtited Trump's words. The more they do this, the more I like Trump when I learn the truth
http://www.971talk.com/media/podcasts/monday-july-20-hour
Quote from: mrclose on July 20, 2015, 05:03:39 PM
I'm a nam vet and the guy who crowned my step daughter (As Miss Mechanicsville) was also a pow and is a family friend .. He has nothing good to say about McLame.
He was at the Hilton when McLame was, for seven years.
Paul E. Galanti
http://www.nampows.org/pgbio.html
Why
Quote from: Solar on July 19, 2015, 07:33:30 PM
All too much has gone unanswered, more questions created than answered.
See Reply #235
In all Fairness to MCCain he was not the only one involved in that POW/MIA Debacle, you had the State Dept (Traditional leftist assholes) IDIOTS at the Pentagon And half a hundred different "citizen" groups a lot of whom were scam artists and exploiters (Like Bo Giritz) Then again, when this committee was active in the 1990's, McCain had already cleared the path for recovery of POW rEMAINS IN 1986.
So I have to look at what accomplishments he made, ie: Actual recovery of remains of American MIA's) rather so much than what he said or is alleged to have Obstructed.
Last but not least, SOmewhere in between all this is the FACT that many MIA and "POW'S" actually were deserters and a few of the POW's went over to the other side.
Such issues are well documented by the STATE DEPT who seems to want to keep a lot of that quiet.
Quote from: mrclose on July 20, 2015, 05:52:36 PM
No idea.
Being a gentleman (Paul) keeps it to himself and only hints to his friends when asked.
Paul only says that a lot of the McLame story was fabricated and lots of the real truth was 'omitted'.
Interesting....the Bio says he worked with McCain during the Campaign....I wonder if that is when he soured.
ALso this Guy sounds like HE should be running for office....he'd have my vote!
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 20, 2015, 05:26:28 PM
In all Fairness to MCCain he was not the only one involved in that POW/MIA Debacle, you had the State Dept (Traditional leftist assholes) IDIOTS at the Pentagon And half a hundred different "citizen" groups a lot of whom were scam artists and exploiters (Like Bo Giritz) Then again, when this committee was active in the 1990's, McCain had already cleared the path for recovery of POW rEMAINS IN 1986.
So I have to look at what accomplishments he made, ie: Actual recovery of remains of American MIA's) rather so much than what he said or is alleged to have Obstructed.
Last but not least, SOmewhere in between all this is the FACT that many MIA and "POW'S" actually were deserters and a few of the POW's went over to the other side.
Such issues are well documented by the STATE DEPT who seems to want to keep a lot of that quiet.
And I say McCain is a fuckin liar and a traitor to America, not because of Nam, but what he's done in later years, outright lying to get elected, so anything he did, where he claims to have done all he could, says he lied, as evidenced below.
QuoteThe devices were primarily motion sensors, dropped by air, designed to pick up enemy troop movements. But they also had rescue capabilities. Someone on the ground–a downed airman or a prisoner on a labor gang–could manually enter data into the sensor, which were regularly collected electronically by US planes flying overhead. Alfond stated, without any challenge from the committee, that in 1974, a year after the supposedly complete return of prisoners, the gathered data showed that a person or people had manually entered into the sensors–as US pilots had been trained to do–"no less than 20 authenticator numbers that corresponded exactly to the classified authenticator numbers of 20 US POW/MIAs who were lost in Laos." Alfond added, says the transcript: "This PAVE SPIKE intelligence is seamless, but the committee has not discussed it or released what it knows about PAVE SPIKE."
These were not deserters, they were abandoned by the very committee Johnny was on.
In my book, he's a traitor!
Quote from: kroz on July 20, 2015, 01:41:58 PM
No Trump slump for his McCain remarks.....
http://whotv.com/2015/07/20/weekend-iowa-poll-no-trump-slump-for-mccain-remarks/
His poll numbers just continue to grow...... well, at least they are not going down! :confused:
Amazing! Don't think I'd vote for Trump but I'm getting a bang outta' whatever verbal bomb he wants to drop next. Like it or not, Trump is saying what needs to be said. Maybe some of the rest of that longggggg list of candidates will man up and say what they mean and mean what they say. Trump is not dependent on money from anybody. Matter of fact, he's not gonna' run out of that stuff any time soon. This is what the big deal is, money. Sure, some of the rest have war chests and big time donors but Trump doesn't and doesn't need any of that. When the smoke clears, he'll still have his many friends and people wanting to suck up to him plus most of his money-still not tapped into.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 20, 2015, 05:10:06 PM
Kerry, McCain, Eisenhower, Bush, .... resume builders..
yep, no real heroes in that list with maybe the exception of Bush.
I was talking with people last night about our changing definition of "hero".
This may anger some BUT, we call way, way too many people "heroes"!
Just because someone puts on a firefighter suit ....... we proclaim him a "HERO".
When someone does the humane thing and helps someone in distress.... we call him a HERO.
When a child dials 911 ...... we call them a HERO.
On and on the list goes. Everyone and his dog has been a "hero" at one time or another.
Is that REALLY what it means to be a hero? Not by traditional definition. This is the NEW definition.
Just like everything else in this country..... hero has been dumbed down.
Quote from: kroz on July 21, 2015, 04:34:30 AM
yep, no real heroes in that list with maybe the exception of Bush.
I was talking with people last night about our changing definition of "hero".
This may anger some BUT, we call way, way too many people "heroes"!
Just because someone puts on a firefighter suit ....... we proclaim him a "HERO".
When someone does the humane thing and helps someone in distress.... we call him a HERO.
When a child dials 911 ...... we call them a HERO.
On and on the list goes. Everyone and his dog has been a "hero" at one time or another.
Is that REALLY what it means to be a hero? Not by traditional definition. This is the NEW definition.
Just like everything else in this country..... hero has been dumbed down.
That was my point earlier, that the term is thrown around like a dried up sail cat, serves no other purpose that headline creation.
Sports hero, porn star, same category.
Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2015, 05:01:26 AM
That was my point earlier, that the term is thrown around like a dried up sail cat, serves no other purpose that headline creation.
Sports hero, porn star, same category.
Yes, the word totally loses it's "punch" when it is diluted in such a way.
We have to create a new word to capture the true intent of the original word. I guess it is now just "super hero". :rolleyes:
Quote from: kroz on July 21, 2015, 05:06:32 AM
Yes, the word totally loses it's "punch" when it is diluted in such a way.
We have to create a new word to capture the true intent of the original word. I guess it is now just "super hero". :rolleyes:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
How sad is that? Ordinary hero's are so passe....
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 20, 2015, 06:03:19 PM
Interesting....the Bio says he worked with McCain during the Campaign....I wonder if that is when he soured.
ALso this Guy sounds like HE should be running for office....he'd have my vote!
This article explains McCain's dirty little secret....
http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/
Quote from: kroz on July 21, 2015, 06:00:42 AM
This article explains McCain's dirty little secret....
http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/
Good find Kroz, that's what I was searching for the other day, I remember how the media covered for the soon to be "Maverick", the guy they saw as a tool for manipulating the GOP, and history proves their gamble to have been spot on, he serves the LSM like a minion of the Devil as payback for a lifesaving debt owed back.
POLL: TRUMP LEADS BIG, WITH AN ASTERISK
WaPo: "Businessman Donald Trump surged into the lead for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, with almost twice the support of his closest rival, just as he ignited a new controversy after making disparaging remarks about Sen. John McCain's Vietnam War service, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. Support for Trump fell sharply on the one night that voters were surveyed following those comments. Telephone interviewing for the poll began Thursday, and most calls were completed before the news about the remarks was widely reported. Although the sample size for the final day was small, the decline was statistically significant...
"Trump was the favorite of 24 percent of registered Republicans and Republican-leaning independents....Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker...is in second place, at 13 percent, followed by former Florida governor Jeb Bush, at 12 percent....The next seven, ranging in support from 8 percent to 3 percent, are: former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.), Sen. Ted Cruz (Tex.), former Texas governor Rick Perry and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie."
Apology 'of sorts' - "Certainly if there was a misunderstanding, I would totally take that back," – Donald Trump to host Bill O'Reilly, on "The O'Reilly Factor"
Fox News Online
You know, everyone is talking about this like it is some kind of Faux Pas...
But consider this...
Who is getting all of the "air time" on the talk shows and the evening news?
Cruz, Rubio, Walker, Paul?
Nope, its Trump and McCain... and McCain isn't running this time around!
I think Mr Trump is taking a page from the old Hollywood publicity playbook - "It doesn't matter what they say about you as long as they spell your name right."
Unlike most Republicans, Trump realizes that the media is never going to like him, so, why not exploit their hatred of him to keep his name out in front of the public!
Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2015, 06:25:29 AM
Good find Kroz, that's what I was searching for the other day, I remember how the media covered for the soon to be "Maverick", the guy they saw as a tool for manipulating the GOP, and history proves their gamble to have been spot on, he serves the LSM like a minion of the Devil as payback for a lifesaving debt owed back.
McCain got away on any hinky stuff because the media knew that challenging "war heroes" would surely go badly --- in the days of the three big TV networks, when Cronkite and Huntley-Brinkley and John Cameron Swayze owned the TV network news.
Trump gets away with his remark because this is The Donald being outrageous again, it's the circus sideshow come to town. The rubes are slavering with puppy love for Hair-From-Hell, but it's still a long road to the GOP convention, and Trump obviously isn't afraid to be a spoiler as a third-party candidate.
On the other hand, if you outrage your opponents just enough, they will unleash the damaging stuff early enough for your side to disavow or throw down a memory hole. Think of it as forcing the other guy to use all the ... Trump cards.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 20, 2015, 05:26:28 PM
In all Fairness to MCCain he was not the only one involved in that POW/MIA Debacle, you had the State Dept (Traditional leftist assholes) IDIOTS at the Pentagon And half a hundred different "citizen" groups a lot of whom were scam artists and exploiters (Like Bo Giritz) Then again, when this committee was active in the 1990's, McCain had already cleared the path for recovery of POW rEMAINS IN 1986.
So I have to look at what accomplishments he made, ie: Actual recovery of remains of American MIA's) rather so much than what he said or is alleged to have Obstructed.
Last but not least, SOmewhere in between all this is the FACT that many MIA and "POW'S" actually were deserters and a few of the POW's went over to the other side.
Such issues are well documented by the STATE DEPT who seems to want to keep a lot of that quiet.
I know Nam very well. The Mia issue:
Some of the troops stayed in country and got their discharges and ten grand. They took their girlfriend, jumped on a Honda and went to China. They had enough of America.
Others went to Malaysia.
Quote from: quiller on July 21, 2015, 10:10:26 AM
McCain got away on any hinky stuff because the media knew that challenging "war heroes" would surely go badly --- in the days of the three big TV networks, when Cronkite and Huntley-Brinkley and John Cameron Swayze owned the TV network news.
Trump gets away with his remark because this is The Donald being outrageous again, it's the circus sideshow come to town. The rubes are slavering with puppy love for Hair-From-Hell, but it's still a long road to the GOP convention, and Trump obviously isn't afraid to be a spoiler as a third-party candidate.
On the other hand, if you outrage your opponents just enough, they will unleash the damaging stuff early enough for your side to disavow or throw down a memory hole. Think of it as forcing the other guy to use all the ... Trump cards.
:rolleyes:
Yeah, I think Trump is the very definition of a "charlatan". I suspect he bluffed his way into financial success. He is the consummate actor!
If we choose Trump in 2016 we could well be jumping from the frying pan to the fire. Trump is TOTALLY unpredictable. He likes socialized medicine and other honky liberal ideas! :scared:
Quote from: kroz on July 21, 2015, 11:11:41 AM
Yeah, I think Trump is the very definition of a "charlatan". I suspect he bluffed his way into financial success. He is the consummate actor!
If we choose Trump in 2016 we could well be jumping from the frying pan to the fire. Trump is TOTALLY unpredictable. He likes socialized medicine and other honky liberal ideas! :scared:
QuoteWASHINGTON (CBSDC) – If Linsdey Graham thought he could shame Donald Trump into backing down from his rhetoric, he apparently thought wrong.
"Run for president, but stop being the world's biggest jackass," the South Carolina senator told "CBS This Morning."
Trump fired back during a campaign rally in Graham's home state, telling a South Carolina audience that Graham is a "stiff" who could never get a job in the private sector.
Trump then told a story about Graham calling him 4 years ago for a campaign endorsement and contribution. Trump claimed he went back through his phone records and found Graham's private cell phone number. He showed the audience the number, written down on a yellow post-it note, and read the number aloud, encouraging everyone "let's try it."
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/07/21/lindsey-graham-trump-jackass/
Now that is clever and funny! I'll bet Graham is pissed!! Got the phone number from Graham himself looking for money and support!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have a lot of respect for Trump. I do believe he could be a VERY effective president. If he actually fixed the ILLEGAL alien problem, he would be worth it.
Quote from: carlb on July 21, 2015, 03:14:24 PM
I have a lot of respect for Trump. I do believe he could be a VERY effective president. If he actually fixed the ILLEGAL alien problem, he would be worth it.
I don't think he will take the pay cut! Trump will exit on his own time and when he is still popular enough he can always point to it and say, See I could have won!
Quote from: redbeard on July 21, 2015, 03:31:17 PM
I don't think he will take the pay cut! Trump will exit on his own time and when he is still popular enough he can always point to it and say, See I could have won!
The power is more important than the money to Trump.
He won't get out for the money.
He craves attention and power. Being President is the ultimate "fix" for his ego!
Quote from: kroz on July 21, 2015, 03:34:28 PM
The power is more important than the money to Trump.
He won't get out for the money.
He craves attention and power. Being President is the ultimate "fix" for his ego!
Trump will never put his assets into a blind trust! You will never force him out but at some point I think he will exit and put his support behind someone else And he seems to really dislike the RINO's. I would think he would support Cruz or Walker!
Quote from: redbeard on July 21, 2015, 03:42:00 PM
Trump will never put his assets into a blind trust! You will never force him out but at some point I think he will exit and put his support behind someone else And he seems to really dislike the RINO's. I would think he would support Cruz or Walker!
Who says he must put them into a blind trust? Since when do Presidents follow the laws?
Obama has proven that if you are President you can do what you want to do. :rolleyes:
Quote from: kroz on July 21, 2015, 03:48:35 PM
Who says he must put them into a blind trust? Since when do Presidents follow the laws?
Obama has proven that if you are President you can do what you want to do. :rolleyes:
Ethics in Government Act of 1978
Quote from: redbeard on July 21, 2015, 03:55:51 PM
Ethics in Government Act of 1978
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Quote from: redbeard on July 21, 2015, 03:55:51 PM
Ethics in Government Act of 1978
And I believe you just posted this statement on another thread........
Problem is that Congress can write and pass laws it is this administration that has failed to enforce them!You just made my point. :ttoung:
Quote from: kroz on July 21, 2015, 04:11:48 PM
And I believe you just posted this statement on another thread........
Problem is that Congress can write and pass laws it is this administration that has failed to enforce them!
You just made my point. :ttoung:
Republicans believe in the law and follow it! I hope!!
Quote from: redbeard on July 21, 2015, 04:29:35 PM
Republicans believe in the law and follow it! I hope!!
:biggrin: :biggrin:
Trump has an ego equal to Obama's. We know that that is not an asset in the Oval Office. A bit of humility would go a long way.
That seems to be the common opinion here, but I don't buy it.
2 things drive powerful men:
Money -- he's got plenty
Power -- becoming the most powerful man on the planet will keep him in the race. If he doesn't get the nomination, he'll go third party.
Quote from: redbeard on July 21, 2015, 03:31:17 PM
I don't think he will take the pay cut! Trump will exit on his own time and when he is still popular enough he can always point to it and say, See I could have won!
Quote from: carlb on July 21, 2015, 04:53:47 PM
That seems to be the common opinion here, but I don't buy it.
2 things drive powerful men:
Money -- he's got plenty
Power -- becoming the most powerful man on the planet will keep him in the race. If he doesn't get the nomination, he'll go third party.
He knows a 3rd party run would guarantee a Hillary win! I think he really does care about what is happening to the country. No he won't split the ticket!
Quote from: redbeard on July 21, 2015, 05:03:07 PM
He knows a 3rd party run would guarantee a Hillary win! I think he really does care about what is happening to the country. No he won't split the ticket!
His ego tells him that he can be the first third party candidate to win. That would be an even bigger claim to fame!
Quote from: redbeard on July 21, 2015, 05:03:07 PM
He knows a 3rd party run would guarantee a Hillary win! I think he really does care about what is happening to the country. No he won't split the ticket!
But then, you also believe he'll drop out. He won't.
Quote from: kroz on July 21, 2015, 05:09:23 PM
His ego tells him that he can be the first third party candidate to win. That would be an even bigger claim to fame!
Has anyone seen any numbers on whether or not Trump is hurting our party with independents? Are they even paying attention this early in the game?
Quote from: kroz on July 21, 2015, 04:37:23 PM
:biggrin: :biggrin:
Trump has an ego equal to Obama's. We know that that is not an asset in the Oval Office. A bit of humility would go a long way.
I agree. Having a ego the size of the universe and temper and mouth to match is NOT a good thing for a politician that has the ability to screw up and cause tens of millions of people to die.
Trump cares nothing about anyone but Trump,and he is in it for the ego boost and for a cash payoff down the line. No way he actually wants to win because he would be banned from doing any of his scams the whole time he would be in office.
As someone else wrote on another board a few days ago,"Trump might make an excellent Sec of the US Treasury,though. There is nobody that knows more about bankruptcy than Trump,and America is virtually bankrupt."
Quote from: darroll on July 21, 2015, 11:05:03 AM
I know Nam very well. The Mia issue:
Some of the troops stayed in country and got their discharges and ten grand. They took their girlfriend, jumped on a Honda and went to China. They had enough of America.
Others went to Malaysia.
Don't forget Thailand...there is a huge American Expat Community in Thailand, there are at least three American ex soldiers in Thailand (still living in 2003)who are listed as MIA...they deserted...State Dept knows about them too....wont touch two of them as they became Monks living in a monestary which is inviolate in Thailand.
Quote from: carlb on July 21, 2015, 05:17:04 PM
But then, you also believe he'll drop out. He won't.
Trump doesn't deal well with defeat at all, and staying in the race after his time in the spotlight fades? He's a smart man, he'll quietly bow out while throwing his support behind a candidate.
Problem is, there's just no telling who he would support, because politically and ideologically speaking, the guy is all over the freakin map.
He's no Conservative, people need to remember that.
Quote from: Solar on July 20, 2015, 09:00:36 PM
And I say McCain is a fuckin liar and a traitor to America, not because of Nam, but what he's done in later years, outright lying to get elected, so anything he did, where he claims to have done all he could, says he lied, as evidenced below.
These were not deserters, they were abandoned by the very committee Johnny was on.
In my book, he's a traitor!
Agreed McCain has gone to the darkside...this shamnesty issue will bring America down....
HOWEVER
If anyone abandoned any POW's it was the Nixon Adminstration, Jerry Ford and that Boob Jimmy Carter. There was a lOT of money spent by private groups, Ross Perot and others to try an bring out a LIVE POW.....I know of a group of American Ex Pats living in Thailand who put up 50 grand, a payoff to any Laotian or Vietnamese official...or any group of local bounty hunters, hill tribes etc who could deliver a LIVE POW...never happened, if there was a live POW that much money IN ASIA would have produced one...instead what they got were chicken bones, scraps of clothing and a few misc artifacts....
I firmly believe none were alive after 1975.
As to deserters, the following articles should shed the light on what I'm refering to. When committee's and intelligence services start dealing with scum like this Garwood guy and charletan's like Bo Giritz who are totally unreliable what can you expect.
http://www.miafacts.org/grwd_4.htm
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-07-09/news/9307090202_1_pow-mia-robert-garwood-sen-robert-smith
Quote from: sneakypete on July 21, 2015, 06:00:52 PM
I agree. Having a ego the size of the universe and temper and mouth to match is NOT a good thing for a politician that has the ability to screw up and cause tens of millions of people to die.
Trump cares nothing about anyone but Trump,and he is in it for the ego boost and for a cash payoff down the line. No way he actually wants to win because he would be banned from doing any of his scams the whole time he would be in office.
As someone else wrote on another board a few days ago,"Trump might make an excellent Sec of the US Treasury,though. There is nobody that knows more about bankruptcy than Trump,and America is virtually bankrupt."
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Welcome to the forum Pete.
Quote from: kroz on July 21, 2015, 04:34:30 AM
yep, no real heroes in that list with maybe the exception of Bush.
I was talking with people last night about our changing definition of "hero".
This may anger some BUT, we call way, way too many people "heroes"!
Just because someone puts on a firefighter suit ....... we proclaim him a "HERO".
When someone does the humane thing and helps someone in distress.... we call him a HERO.
When a child dials 911 ...... we call them a HERO.
On and on the list goes. Everyone and his dog has been a "hero" at one time or another.
Is that REALLY what it means to be a hero? Not by traditional definition. This is the NEW definition.
Just like everything else in this country..... hero has been dumbed down.
I know who isn't on that list who damn sure isn't a Hero and that is TRUMP
Trump is a DRAFT DODGER who got five student deferments and then some type of 4 f status over "bone spurs" or some idiotic thing.
Trump has no standing to talk about McCain or anybody else for that matter in my book....and no way I would ever vote for Trump to begin with not because of this little te a te either.
Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2015, 06:16:13 PM
Trump doesn't deal well with defeat at all, and staying in the race after his time in the spotlight fades? He's a smart man, he'll quietly bow out while throwing his support behind a candidate.
Problem is, there's just no telling who he would support, because politically and ideologically speaking, the guy is all over the freakin map.
He's no Conservative, people need to remember that.
I don't know...... I agree with most of what you say but I am beginning to think he may not drop out.
It has gotten too big now..... his poll numbers are an adrenalin fix for him now. He needs more and more.
Even if he wanted "out" I think he doesn't have a viable exit strategy. He would have mud all over his face.
I think he has passed the point of "no return"..... He is committed. And I don't think he is looking for an "out".
Quote from: redbeard on July 21, 2015, 02:51:10 PM
Now that is clever and funny! I'll bet Graham is pissed!! Got the phone number from Graham himself looking for money and support!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This incident aired on our local WORD cons radio station this afternoon. i almost fell out laughing at Vince Copley who was the emcee. He got money penny (an aide) to call the number that Graham gave him. The phone was answered (not changed after all these years) by answering machine and the mail box was full. Bet that number will be changed tomorrow. I also bet that Graham won't take any more pot shots at Trump either. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Quote from: kroz on July 21, 2015, 06:29:41 PM
I don't know...... I agree with most of what you say but I am beginning to think he may not drop out.
It has gotten too big now..... his poll numbers are an adrenalin fix for him now. He needs more and more.
Even if he wanted "out" I think he doesn't have a viable exit strategy. He would have mud all over his face.
I think he has passed the point of "no return"..... He is committed. And I don't think he is looking for an "out".
Look back at any election excluding Reagan, who is always the exception.
No candidate took the lead 16 months out and held it, the last month will be the deciding factor in the election, and Trump won't be in the running.
Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2015, 07:06:03 PM
Look back at any election excluding Reagan, who is always the exception.
No candidate took the lead 16 months out and held it, the last month will be the deciding factor in the election, and Trump won't be in the running.
That and his money look good on paper. I would say his vast majority of money is locked up in business deals.
Quote from: walkstall on July 21, 2015, 07:12:33 PM
That and his money look good on paper. I would say his vast majority of money is locked up in business deals.
Speaking of Business deals....I wonder how many illegal aliens are working on Trumps real estate projects.... :popcorn:
Quote from: walkstall on July 21, 2015, 07:12:33 PM
That and his money look good on paper. I would say his vast majority of money is locked up in business deals.
Good point, he does not have millions in cash just to throw away, as you point out, most of his money is leveraged in real estate and held as collateral towards other investments, he has no real legal right to most of it.
Quote from: keyboarder on July 21, 2015, 06:41:50 PM
This incident aired on our local WORD cons radio station this afternoon. i almost fell out laughing at Vince Copley who was the emcee. He got money penny (an aide) to call the number that Graham gave him. The phone was answered (not changed after all these years) by answering machine and the mail box was full. Bet that number will be changed tomorrow. I also bet that Graham won't take any more pot shots at Trump either. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Got to admit he is comic relief! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: Solar on July 21, 2015, 06:20:06 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Welcome to the forum Pete.
Thank you.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 21, 2015, 06:22:20 PM
I know who isn't on that list who damn sure isn't a Hero and that is TRUMP
Trump is a DRAFT DODGER who got five student deferments and then some type of 4 f status over "bone spurs" or some idiotic thing.
Trump has no standing to talk about McCain or anybody else for that matter in my book....and no way I would ever vote for Trump to begin with not because of this little te a te either.
I agree completely.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 21, 2015, 07:17:27 PM
Speaking of Business deals....I wonder how many illegal aliens are working on Trumps real estate projects.... :popcorn:
"I wonder"
So you don't know. When you know, let us know.
In the rarefied world of New York moguls, Rupert Murdoch never thought much of Donald J. Trump.
Mr. Trump's divorces and marriages sold newspapers, but beyond that, Mr. Murdoch had no time for his bombastic business style and ostentatious demeanor. "Phony" was how Mr. Murdoch often described him to friends.
There was the time Mr. Trump screamed that he would sue for libel after Mr. Murdoch's New York Post reported that the exclusive Maidstone golf club in East Hampton planned to deny Mr. Trump a membership.
Then there was the awkward aftermath of Mr. Murdoch's own high-profile divorce from Wendi Deng Murdoch, when Mr. Trump's daughter Ivanka, unlike many New York society figures, remained loyal to Ms. Deng Murdoch, a close friend.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/us/politics/titans-clash-as-donald-trumps-run-fuels-his-feud-with-rupert-murdoch.html?_r=0
Quote from: carlb on July 21, 2015, 11:37:03 PM
Okay, hows this...from Trumps own copious mouth.....
http://wtvr.com/2015/07/08/trump-cant-guarantee-legal-status-of-his-own-workers/
Watch as ICE Director Is Forced to Tell Ted Cruz He's 'Absolutely Right' After He Disputes Her Claim During Hearing
https://youtu.be/4SSk1c1sdJY
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 22, 2015, 06:23:42 AM
Okay, hows this...from Tryumps own copious mouth.....
http://wtvr.com/2015/07/08/trump-cant-guarantee-legal-status-of-his-own-workers/
So you're still WONDERING, and don't KNOW.
The Dems employed the same tactic to undermine Romney. Can ANY large business owner guarantee something like that? I think not under our current system.
Quote from: sneakypete on July 21, 2015, 06:00:52 PM
but Trump,and he is in it for the ego boost and for a cash payoff down the line. No way he actually wants to win because he would be banned from doing any of his scams the whole time he would be in office.
As someone else wrote on another board a few days ago,"Trump might make an excellent Sec of the US Treasury,though. There is nobody that knows more about bankruptcy than Trump,and America is virtually bankrupt."
Trump is in it for a cash payoff................
Please
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 21, 2015, 06:08:33 PM
Don't forget Thailand...there is a huge American Expat Community in Thailand, there are at least three American ex soldiers in Thailand (still living in 2003)who are listed as MIA...they deserted...State Dept knows about them too....wont touch two of them as they became Monks living in a monestary which is inviolate in Thailand.
The government is embarrassed by the numbers (the prez ran the war). They rely on the word MIA and this makes people look the other way.
The man behind the Trump campaign......... very much like Trump himself......
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/man-behind-donald-trump-run-lewandowski-120443.html
Quote from: darroll on July 22, 2015, 10:14:20 AM
Trump is in it for a cash payoff................
Please
Cash buyouts are his life. Everything revolves around them. He is obsessed with having more than anyone else.
Glenn to Donald, "How about a high profile feud?
Donald to Glenn, "No deal."
That well might have been the message from conservative talk titan Glenn Beck, whose radio offerings have lately been little more than two hours of wisecracks and guffaws by what appears college buddies on a roll. Though Glenn, himself, has been on medical leave, resting his vocal chords, they say, it's pretty obvious that Beck has run out of steam. Either that, or made his money. Whatever the case, this morning, the Beck show announced it was calling off its high energy provocation of Donald Trump.
Goodness knows, had Trump taken the bait, it might have worked out well for The Blaze and the Blaze Network, once a property as hot as the name, but who lately seem to have sunk into parallel irrelevance, overtaken by competition such as Breitbart, Freedom Works, and several others who have found success in the niche, leaving Beck and the Blaze to mine the leftovers somewhere between Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, and the Home School Network.
Trump, meanwhile, seems to have found a niche of his own, as he busies himself with the prospect of thinning the GOP primary field, having taken shots at Rick Perry, Lindsay Graham, and just about anyone associated with John McCain. To the delight of his followers, Trump seems to have resurrected the personality of conservative Republican the late William Loeb, editor of the Manchester, New Hampshire, Union Leader, who for years kept readers amused with lowball shots at candidates of both parties, but especially Republican ones, his own party.
Sorry, Glenn. Not this time. Unlike most of talk radio and the media, Trump's followers show no signs of reining in the horse. To the contrary, the followers appear to be going to the crop.
I pose a question. Trumps seems to be taking shots at RINO's. Is he doing this to help conservatives or trying to be king of the Rino's?
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 22, 2015, 01:53:19 PM
I pose a question. Trumps seems to be taking shots at RINO's. Is he doing this to help conservatives or trying to be king of the Rino's?
I think he is playing to the conservative base right now. He is taking the low hanging fruit first.... weak RINOs
His first broadside was at Amnesty and Open Border supporters. That would pretty well cut the field in half, leaving Cruz, Walker, Jindahl, Fiorina, Huckabee, and a handful of others. Not sure where Bush stands. Probably an open border man, like his brother.
Quote from: sneakypete on July 22, 2015, 01:07:59 PM
Cash buyouts are his life. Everything revolves around them. He is obsessed with having more than anyone else.
If I had a trillion, I would not try and bribe Trump. Now he might make the person famous who tried to offer buyouts.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 22, 2015, 03:57:59 PM
His first broadside was at Amnesty and Open Border supporters. That would pretty well cut the field in half, leaving Cruz, Walker, Jindahl, Fiorina, Huckabee, and a handful of others. Not sure where Bush stands. Probably an open border man, like his brother.
Bush may beef up criminal alien deportation but he is pro amnesty! All the attacks Trump has made are directed at the Bush and Graham camps! Even the swipe at McCain! (Graham is his lap dog) As of now it helps the conservatives if Trump can knock them down a bit! I am still convinced that he has alternate goals and an exit strategy!
Biggest worry I would have is if he though his support behind his admitted buddy Krusty!
Trump is in......
A world of his own..
Quote from: carlb on July 22, 2015, 09:46:50 AM
So you're still WONDERING, and don't KNOW.
The Dems employed the same tactic to undermine Romney. Can ANY large business owner guarantee something like that? I think not under our current system.
Dont you find it a Tad disingenuous or perhaps even hypocritical, after blasting the RINO's for their shamnesty policy then he pretends he doesn't even know his construction crews might have an illegal or two..... or a few hundred.....I mean in my eyes Trump has done more to facilitate illegals coming to the US with such magnet and he damn well knows it.
If he were the real deal he'd have a standing order about no Illegals, legals only and written into his contracts. Under some proposals Trump could get fined or jailed if caught hiring illegals....isn't that one of the planks in the platform of immigration reform that conservatives support....business persons or firms hiring illegals to be fined or in some cases jailed.
Quote from: keyboarder on July 21, 2015, 06:41:50 PM
This incident aired on our local WORD cons radio station this afternoon. i almost fell out laughing at Vince Copley who was the emcee. He got money penny (an aide) to call the number that Graham gave him. The phone was answered (not changed after all these years) by answering machine and the mail box was full. Bet that number will be changed tomorrow. I also bet that Graham won't take any more pot shots at Trump either. :biggrin: :biggrin:
I stand corrected, again. Did anyone see the video of Graham trashing his cell phone in response to Trump having given his telephone number out to AMERICA?
Imagine that! Graham should be too busy reading over the terms of that "Iran Deal" to be acting like such a child with Trump. Maybe he knows that he is going to go along with the deal so he's got time to play these silly games. If so, Trump was right, Graham is an idiot!
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 22, 2015, 05:28:36 PM
Dont you find it a Tad disingenuous or perhaps even hypocritical, after blasting the RINO's for their shamnesty policy then he pretends he doesn't even know his construction crews might have an illegal or two..... or a few hundred.....I mean in my eyes Trump has done more to facilitate illegals coming to the US with such magnet and he damn well knows it.
If he were the real deal he'd have a standing order about no Illegals, legals only and written into his contracts. Under some proposals Trump could get fined or jailed if caught hiring illegals....isn't that one of the planks in the platform of immigration reform that conservatives support....business persons or firms hiring illegals to be fined or in some cases jailed.
Does Trump hire construction companies or have his own? You really think he can watch all the sub contractor crews?
Quote from: red_dirt on July 22, 2015, 03:57:59 PM
His first broadside was at Amnesty and Open Border supporters. That would pretty well cut the field in half, leaving Cruz, Walker, Jindahl, Fiorina, Huckabee, and a handful of others. Not sure where Bush stands. Probably an open border man, like his brother.
He's worse than his brother on ILLEGAL immigration. He seems more a part of their culture than the AMERICAN culture.
Quote from: carlb on July 23, 2015, 01:56:39 AM
He's worse than his brother on ILLEGAL immigration. He seems more a part of their culture than the AMERICAN culture.
You say that, carlb, with a soft sell, which is the way to approach it. It makes me wonder though if you might not have been looking into some of the same nooks and crannies of investigation into the global power of politics that I have.
There seems another side of the Bush organization, one that is overlooked but by no means invisible.
While Republican frontrunner Donald Trump gleefully attacks members of the GOP Establishment and media, the GOP Establishment seem to believe it's a good idea to run to the mainstream media and attack Republican voters.
First Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)43%
ran to the Left-wing New Yorker to attack 15,000 GOP base voters as "crazies." Wednesday, the GOP Establishment went even further.
Rick Wilson, a top Establishment Republican message and media strategist ran to Politico to attack Trump's supporters as "clowns."
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/07/22/top-gop-strategist-runs-to-politico-smears-trump-voters-as-clowns/
So who are the real clowns here? Do they not realize that they are driving throngs of people toward Trump?
The more war there is between Trump and the Establishment, the more popular Trump becomes!
Quote from: kroz on July 23, 2015, 06:19:20 AM
The more war there is between Trump and the Establishment, the more popular Trump becomes!
He certainly is tapping into something. He just throws it out there, unscripted, and doesn't back down.
It would do some of our "polite" candidates to take note of that. Christie used to be a little that way, but even he seems to have mellowed out.
Quote from: redbeard on July 22, 2015, 07:05:37 PM
Does Trump hire construction companies or have his own? You really think he can watch all the sub contractor crews?
I'm not sure, taking an educated guess I imagine he has a core group of architects, on site supervisors, project mangers etc and hires subcontractors for a lot of the finish work. I would guess that these contracts are awarded on some sort of sealed bid process.
Do I think he can watch all his sub contractor crews... no, thats is where his supervisory staff and project mangers comes in. But if he wants to start taking (well deserved) pot shots at various Congresscritters then he should take steps to get his house in order and at least DEMONSTRATE HE IS TAKING STEPS THAT SUCH DOESN'T HAPPEN.
At least write it into the contracts that any subs will only use DOCUMENTED LABORERS, no illegals WITH THE RIGHT OF INSPECTION BY HIS PEOPLE or they lose the contract.
Quote from: redbeard on July 22, 2015, 07:05:37 PM
Does Trump hire construction companies or have his own? You really think he can watch all the sub contractor crews?
It's incumbent upon Trump to see that those he hires follow the rules/law, and when the media releases the list of illegals working in a subcontractor relationship with Trump Inc, that will be the end of Trump.
I don't doubt there's an illegal in there somewhere, and if there isn't, the RINO/Leftists will plant one.
But yes, Trump is responsible for what his contractors, sub contractors do, that's business as normal, unlike the Marxist in the WH where he refuses to accept blame.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 23, 2015, 06:41:20 AMAt least write it into the contracts that any subs will only use DOCUMENTED LABORERS, no illegals WITH THE RIGHT OF INSPECTION BY HIS PEOPLE or they lose the contract.
Most states have some serious requirements, when it comes to building. It would be foolish for any contractor to hire a sub-contractor who hasn't been vetted. They have to be licensed and insured. That also includes carrying workmen's comp insurance on their employees. If anything goes wrong on a job, the liability always falls back on the original contractor. I worked for a contractor for several years. Part of my job was to be sure the sub-contractors had all their documentation in order and were following the law.
Quote from: Dori on July 23, 2015, 06:38:13 AM
He certainly is tapping into something. He just throws it out there, unscripted, and doesn't back down.
It would do some of our "polite" candidates to take note of that. Christie used to be a little that way, but even he seems to have mellowed out.
Yes, the Establishment convinced Christie that he had to be polite to win!
Actually, Christie was bad about attacking the voters instead of his opponents!
Quote from: keyboarder on July 22, 2015, 07:01:44 PM
... Graham should be too busy reading over the terms of that "Iran Deal" to be acting like such a child with Trump.
Why? All he needs to know about it is "which way do I vote?",and "Has the deposit cleared?"
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on July 23, 2015, 06:41:20 AM
I'm not sure, taking an educated guess I imagine he has a core group of architects, on site supervisors, project mangers etc and hires subcontractors for a lot of the finish work. I would guess that these contracts are awarded on some sort of sealed bid process.
Do I think he can watch all his sub contractor crews... no, thats is where his supervisory staff and project mangers comes in. But if he wants to start taking (well deserved) pot shots at various Congresscritters then he should take steps to get his house in order and at least DEMONSTRATE HE IS TAKING STEPS THAT SUCH DOESN'T HAPPEN.
At least write it into the contracts that any subs will only use DOCUMENTED LABORERS, no illegals WITH THE RIGHT OF INSPECTION BY HIS PEOPLE or they lose the contract.
Amen brother,amen!
Quote from: Dori on July 23, 2015, 06:50:27 AM
Most states have some serious requirements, when it comes to building. It would be foolish for any contractor to hire a sub-contractor who hasn't been vetted. They have to be licensed and insured. That also includes carrying workmen's comp insurance on their employees. If anything goes wrong on a job, the liability always falls back on the original contractor. I worked for a contractor for several years. Part of my job was to be sure the sub-contractors had all their documentation in order and were following the law.
A few years ago a Minority Contractor (read: Affirmative Action millionaire) at the Norfolk Naval Yard that had supposedly been highlighted in a local news magazine for his Ferrari and lavish lifestyle lost his contract after it was discovered he was hiring illegal aliens to do the work at US union wages,and paying them much less than the books showed. Some of these illegals were doing pure labor jobs like cleaning out the water and toilet tanks,but some of this guys employees were installing computers and classified software in warships. The article I read about this never did make it clear if any of the people doing the software installs were illegals working under fake names and SS numbers,but the truth is even the laborers who were discovered to be working under false ID's were given badges to allow them into the secure areas so they could do their work.
This is a base where nuclear carriers and subs tie up for repairs and modifications.
I have no idea if the "stylish man about town" ever went to prison,or not. Probably not. I'm guessing he cut a deal to inform on the people that took cash to look the other way.
Quote from: sneakypete on July 23, 2015, 03:34:08 PM
A few years ago a Minority Contractor (read: Affirmative Action millionaire) at the Norfolk Naval Yard that had supposedly been highlighted in a local news magazine for his Ferrari and lavish lifestyle lost his contract after it was discovered he was hiring illegal aliens to do the work at US union wages,and paying them much less than the books showed. Some of these illegals were doing pure labor jobs like cleaning out the water and toilet tanks,but some of this guys employees were installing computers and classified software in warships. The article I read about this never did make it clear if any of the people doing the software installs were illegals working under fake names and SS numbers,but the truth is even the laborers who were discovered to be working under false ID's were given badges to allow them into the secure areas so they could do their work.
This is a base where nuclear carriers and subs tie up for repairs and modifications.
I have no idea if the "stylish man about town" ever went to prison,or not. Probably not. I'm guessing he cut a deal to inform on the people that took cash to look the other way.
Years ago I worked on the uss Kennedy (air craft carrier) overhaul on the navy base in Mayport Florida. One day they raided the work crews and arrested 86 illegals working for sub contractors! They had full access base security ID's and this was in 2002 with all the heightened security on all our bases!
Notices these are not fruit picker jobs but ship overhaul jobs the Illegals were taking let alone the security risks so soon after 9/11!
Quote from: redbeard on July 23, 2015, 04:01:33 PM
Years ago I worked on the uss Kennedy (air craft carrier) overhaul on the navy base in Mayport Florida. One day they raided the work crews and arrested 86 illegals working for sub contractors! They had full access base security ID's and this was in 2002 with all the heightened security on all our bases!
Notices these are not fruit picker jobs but ship overhaul jobs the Illegals were taking let alone the security risks so soon after 9/11!
Thats real scarey to think that these people are working on classified Govt project, like our nations ships. I wonder how many other are working on classified projects in places like Norfolk or New London.
Quote from: sneakypete on July 23, 2015, 03:24:32 PM
Why? All he needs to know about it is "which way do I vote?",and "Has the deposit cleared?"
Aha! Everyone here knows how Grahamnesty votes. It is however the POS in command wants him to vote. What really surprises me is the fact that he's actually running for president in 2016. What a shame for the state of SC. We can do better than this or else.
Watching the market jitters this week, we are reminded of basic differences between the private and public sectors, in spite of the administrations assurances that the political sector is immune from the realities of global finance; it merely has to pass its own laws to null and void the laws of economics, physics, you name it.
That could be one reason for the surge of popularity of the Trump candidacy. Deep down, people understand that sooner or later, the fantasy bubble will burst. There are even a handful of Democrats who understand this, but they are not saying.
One of the panelists on Bret Baier's program tonight caught the essence of the Trump phenomenon...
He said that Trump thinks this is all about "him", but it is really a "protest" phenomenon. (I paraphrase him.)
Trump is polling high because he is the anti-establishment vote right now! America is screaming against Washington and everyone there! Trump is verbalizing what America feels. ANGER
It is NOT that they love Trump.
Quote from: kroz on July 24, 2015, 04:19:41 PM
One of the panelists on Bret Baier's program tonight caught the essence of the Trump phenomenon...
He said that Trump thinks this is all about "him", but it is really a "protest" phenomenon. (I paraphrase him.)
Trump is polling high because he is the anti-establishment vote right now! America is screaming against Washington and everyone there! Trump is verbalizing what America feels. ANGER
It is NOT that they love Trump.
That is exactly right!
Trump thinks the country loves him, when in truth they like what he's doing, exposing the hypocrisy of both party's.
Truth is, no one likes the guy, let alone trusts him, but as long as he says what everyone wants said, they'll embrace him.
I love Trump.
The rest of the politician's just pussy foot around the issues.
Trump make it clear what is broke in America.
Quote from: darroll on July 24, 2015, 05:21:45 PM
I love Trump.
The rest of the politician's just pussy foot around the issues.
Trump make it clear what is broke in America.
Keep in mind, we still have 16 months to go, so for a credible candidate to do what he is doing, and expect to remain the darling for 16 months, is pure insanity as well as suicide.
Trump, the flash in the pan, knows he can't maintain this momentum, no matter how hard he tries.
The speed of his rise to the lead, will only be matched by his plummet to the bottom, very soon.
Quote from: kroz on July 24, 2015, 04:19:41 PM
One of the panelists on Bret Baier's program tonight caught the essence of the Trump phenomenon...
He said that Trump thinks this is all about "him", but it is really a "protest" phenomenon. (I paraphrase him.)
Trump is polling high because he is the anti-establishment vote right now! America is screaming against Washington and everyone there! Trump is verbalizing what America feels. ANGER
It is NOT that they love Trump.
I agree completely.
I also think his payoff is in pulling those people into the Republican Party,and then abandoning them like Perot did.
Flat out,the international financiers don't give a damn if it's someone with a R or with a Dim behind their names sitting in the WH because either way they own the occupant. The DNC and the RNC are focused solely on gaining power because that's where the money is. Neither one gives a damn about America.
Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2015, 05:38:40 PM
Keep in mind, we still have 16 months to go, so for a credible candidate to do what he is doing, and expect to remain the darling for 16 months, is pure insanity as well as suicide.
Trump, the flash in the pan, knows he can't maintain this momentum, no matter how hard he tries.
The speed of his rise to the lead, will only be matched by his plummet to the bottom, very soon.
Trump is not serious! Has he sent advance people to the early primary states yet? How much effort is being put into forming the massive ground operation that's required? He is getting a lot of free publicity but if he considered himself a real candidate his people would be opening offices in all the real battle ground states he would need to carry to win the primary and the general election. Have you seen this kind of movement?
Except for flying his big corporate jet to photo op's I don't see him putting money on the ground campaign!
Quote from: redbeard on July 24, 2015, 06:04:51 PM
Trump is not serious! Has he sent advance people to the early primary states yet? How much effort is being put into forming the massive ground operation that's required? He is getting a lot of free publicity but if he considered himself a real candidate his people would be opening offices in all the real battle ground states he would need to carry to win the primary and the general election. Have you seen this kind of movement?
Except for flying his big corporate jet to photo op's I don't see him putting money on the ground campaign!
Nailed it Red! :thumbup:
Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2015, 06:15:24 PM
Nailed it Red! :thumbup:
Don't get me wrong! He could be testing the waters before making the financial commitment But until I see different I think he is in it to change the debate and damage some of the people running he can't stand! I think Jeb is #1 on his list! The Illegal alien issue is Bush's Achilles heal!
I say enjoy Trump while he is around when he exits (and I will bet he has a strategy for that) one of our top conservatives will benefit big time!
Quote from: redbeard on July 24, 2015, 06:34:01 PM
Don't get me wrong! He could be testing the waters before making the financial commitment But until I see different I think he is in it to change the debate and damage some of the people running he can't stand! I think Jeb is #1 on his list! The Illegal alien issue is Bush's Achilles heal!
I say enjoy Trump while he is around when he exits (and I will bet he has a strategy for that) one of our top conservatives will benefit big time!
I think you're right, I think Trump wants to claim King Maker when all is said and done, in hopes of currying favor from the winner.
I give him , maybe a month and he'll fizzle.
But yeah, I love what he's doing, he's giving the RINO hemorrhoids and headaches. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2015, 06:42:27 PM
I think you're right, I think Trump wants to claim King Maker when all is said and done, in hopes of currying favor from the winner.
I give him , maybe a month and he'll fizzle.
But yeah, I love what he's doing, he's giving the RINO hemorrhoids and headaches. :thumbsup:
It will be more them 1 month! I also predict he will leave while his numbers are still good! He will want to say he could have got it if he wanted it! :popcorn: :popcorn:
Seven reasons why Trump's candidacy helps us!
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/07/24/7-reasons-the-donald-helps-the-gop/
Quote from: kroz on July 25, 2015, 04:58:38 AM
Seven reasons why Trump's candidacy helps us!
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/07/24/7-reasons-the-donald-helps-the-gop/
Ben Shapiro always does a good job.
One of the things that irks voters across the board is the nagging evidence that both parties work in concert both for the benefit of the Washington establishment and the benefit of very powerful political and financial entities.
Mark Levin just laid bare the history of immigration since 1790. Though there have been more than one, the 1965 turning point ushered in the era of the non-white, non-Christian, unskilled, socialistic, non technical, non productive, from Third World and developing countries. Democrats happily take credit for this transformation, which continued unbroken to present, and claim the votes. Without the enthusiastic support of the GOP, the global elite, and the suppression of the American middle class, none of this would have been possible.
Mark Levin refrained from making that specific point. I'll make it for him.
If you look around your town and see once tidy neighborhoods that now resemble Brazil, you'll know what I mean.
What's this go to do with Trump and the argument, "Which party does he represent?" A lot.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 25, 2015, 09:51:31 AM
Ben Shapiro always does a good job.
One of the things that irks voters across the board is the nagging evidence that both parties work in concert both for the benefit of the Washington establishment and the benefit of very powerful political and financial entities.
Mark Levin just laid bare the history of immigration since 1790. Though there have been more than one, the 1965 turning point ushered in the era of the non-white, non-Christian, unskilled, socialistic, non technical, non productive, from Third World and developing countries. Democrats happily take credit for this transformation, which continued unbroken to present, and claim the votes. Without the enthusiastic support of the GOP, the global elite, and the suppression of the American middle class, none of this would have been possible.
Mark Levin refrained from making that specific point. I'll make it for him.
If you look around your town and see once tidy neighborhoods that now resemble Brazil, you'll know what I mean.
What's this go to do with Trump and the argument, "Which party does he represent?" A lot.
True
QuoteThe 10 Biggest Media Lies About Donald Trump
Donald Trump has consistently been outpolling all announced Republican presidential candidates despite a barrage of lies in the media about the business mogul.
Here's a look at some of the more prominent untruths the media have reported about Trump:
1. He is not a billionaire. Forbes magazine researchers have placed his worth at $4 billion, while Trump asserts that he is worth $10 billion. A disclosure document recently released by the Federal Election Commission lists 515 different positions and 168 assets and sources of income for Trump.
The assets include 23 that are valued at more than $50 million each. Many items require that he check the box marked "$50 million or more" when they could be worth considerably more, meaning Trump's fortune may be higher than the disclosure suggests.
2. Trump is not a successful businessman. Critics says he inherited a fortune from his family and has declared bankruptcy several times. But Trump's father had a net wealth estimated at between $250 million and $400 million at the time of his death, and he had four surviving children who were heirs, so Trump is responsible for accumulating the great bulk of his fortune. Trump has never personally declared bankruptcy. Some businesses he controlled or licensed his name have, but this is not unusual for a mogul who has owned hundreds of properties and businesses through the years.
3. He said all Mexicans were rapists. What he said while announcing his candidacy is that illegal immigrants from Mexico are "bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Trump has made it clear he was not saying all Mexicans are criminals or that all illegal aliens are criminals, but the media have continued to charge that he branded Mexican immigrants as rapists. He has also said he "loves" the Mexican people, but was referring to the Mexican government.
4. Trump said John McCain is not a war hero. The Washington Post reported that Trump said "McCain was not a war hero because he was captured by the North Vietnamese." But Trump immediately modified his statement by saying, four times, that McCain is a war hero, including: "He is a war hero" and "he is a war hero because he was captured."
The Post also did not put Trump's remarks in the context of a feud between Trump and the Arizona senator, who has characterized some Trump supporters as "crazies."
5. Only 2,500 people showed up to hear Trump speak at the Phoenix Convention Center. The Phoenix Business Journal reported that 4,200 people were on hand, and noted, significantly, that "there were scores of Trump backers that did not get into his rally because the room hit fire code capacity." Other independent observers have placed the crowd at over 7,500.
More @
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/trump-biggest-media-lies/2015/07/25/id/658877/#ixzz3gwFgcukR
I only listed the first 5. Well worth reading! The lame stream media is working him over hard! Kind of makes you wonder where in the polls he would be if he wasn't their whipping boy!
One of the most interesting ones not posted is his standing with Latinos! By some polls he is between 27 to 31% higher then most other GOP candidate! What's up with that?
Quote from: redbeard on July 25, 2015, 01:56:22 PM
I only listed the first 5. Well worth reading! The lame stream media is working him over hard! Kind of makes you wonder where in the polls he would be if he wasn't their whipping boy!
One of the most interesting ones not posted is his standing with Latinos! By some polls he is between 27 to 31% higher then most other GOP candidate! What's up with that?
Instead of hurting Trump.... they are actually driving throngs of voters toward Trump.
The more bad press he gets..... the more favor he gets from the voters.
The media is disliked even more than Congress.
Quote from: kroz on July 25, 2015, 02:00:54 PM
Instead of hurting Trump.... they are actually driving throngs of voters toward Trump.
The more bad press he gets..... the more favor he gets from the voters.
The media is disliked even more than Congress.
Did you read them all? This article was dead on!
Quote from: redbeard on July 25, 2015, 02:04:55 PM
Did you read them all? This article was dead on!
Yes, I read them all. :biggrin:
Yes, they were correct. HOWEVER, that is NOT hurting Trump's popularity with the voters. It is enhancing his popularity! Whether they were true or not was not the point. The point is that if the press is against you..... that is a plus with the voters!
So, in all likelihood his poll numbers would be less if the press kept mum!
One of the things not being covered properly is if Trump can pull 31% of the Hispanic voters that is about as high as anyone in the republican party could draw. No one, not even Ted Cruz will do much better then that considering how many Hispanics are receiving public money!!
Quote from: redbeard on July 25, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
One of the things not being covered properly is if Trump can pull 31% of the Hispanic voters that is about as high as anyone in the republican party could draw. No one, not even Ted Cruz will do much better then that considering how many Hispanics are receiving public money!!
It might be too early yet to determine how the hispanic vote will fall. There are many factors this time around..... not the average election year. Homeland safety and security is important even to the hispanics. The dems are obviously not going to secure the borders.
The fact is, many native Hispanics are not crazy about the open border policy.
I take that to be the main reason Washington has thrown open the borders in such a frenzy -- a race against time to outnumber the legal Hispanics.
That would account for the media strategy to twist the words around and cry raysissm. In typical liberal fashion, they stereotype the Hispanics as language challenged, where the truth is, most Hispanics speak better English than Obama.
Quote from: kroz on July 25, 2015, 02:46:39 PM
It might be too early yet to determine how the hispanic vote will fall. There are many factors this time around..... not the average election year. Homeland safety and security is important even to the hispanics. The dems are obviously not going to secure the borders.
Not saying it can't happen but I would expect the republican share of the Hispanic vote to be about 1/3rd. I would like to think it is higher.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 25, 2015, 03:13:26 PM
The fact is, many native Hispanics are not crazy about the open border policy.
I take that to be the main reason Washington has thrown open the borders in such a frenzy -- a race against time to outnumber the legal Hispanics.
That would account for the media strategy to twist the words around and cry raysissm. In typical liberal fashion, they stereotype the Hispanics as language challenged, where the truth is, most Hispanics speak better English than Obama.
That is why it isn't working for the media this time around. Everyone is savvy to the spin!
Quote from: redbeard on July 25, 2015, 03:17:38 PM
Not saying it can't happen but I would expect the republican share of the Hispanic vote to be about 1/3rd. I would like to think it is higher.
You might be pleasantly surprised. The hispanics are no dummies! They know spin when they hear it. :laugh:
Quote from: redbeard on July 25, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
One of the things not being covered properly is if Trump can pull 31% of the Hispanic voters that is about as high as anyone in the republican party could draw. No one, not even Ted Cruz will do much better then that considering how many Hispanics are receiving public money!!
Don't be fooled by the Marxist created term "Hispanic", it was by design, to create a subgroup of voters.
Divide and conquer!
Hispanic: Related to a Spanish-speaking people or culture.
In other words, if your ancestors centuries separated from Spain, came via Europe, to the US, and your name happens to be martinez, you are suddenly a minority.
Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2015, 03:43:59 PM
Don't be fooled...
I can bear that out, living in SE Colorado amidst land grant ranchers into their 15th and 17th generations. Sometimes I look at some of those royal visages and think I am in a Hollywood casting call. You know, Don Carlo, the whole bit. The ladies, well, that's another story. There are towns around these parts, like San Luis, where time has stood still.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 25, 2015, 04:14:35 PM
I can bear that out, living in SE Colorado amidst land grant ranchers into their 15th and 17th generations. Sometimes I look at some of those royal visages and think I am in a Hollywood casting call. You know, Don Carlo, the whole bit. The ladies, well, that's another story. There are towns around these parts, like San Luis, where time has stood still.
A dear friend of mine named Mike Martinez, "Whiter than white, with red hair", hated being associated with the group Hispanic, especially considering his family dates back to Spain's Royalty centuries ago. :laugh:
Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2015, 04:29:57 PM
A dear friend of mine named Mike Martinez, "Whiter than white, with red hair", hated being associated with the group Hispanic, especially considering his family dates back to Spain's Royalty centuries ago. :laugh:
Honestly, I haven't figured out the formula. I have resorted to outright asking the individual, "How are you called?" Gradually the newcomer in me will wear off and it will sink in that those categories have no meaning, in real life.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 25, 2015, 06:39:34 PM
Honestly, I haven't figured out the formula. I have resorted to outright asking the individual, "How are you called?" Gradually the newcomer in me will wear off and it will sink in that those categories have no meaning, in real life.
Bingo!!!!
Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2015, 04:29:57 PM
A dear friend of mine named Mike Martinez, "Whiter than white, with red hair", hated being associated with the group Hispanic, especially considering his family dates back to Spain's Royalty centuries ago. :laugh:
I worked with a Spanish-American who was disgusted by Mexicans speaking
spanish in a Mexican-accent. We'd switch to a Latino-radio channel sometimes, and he'd erupt in a mocking-rant about a word-or-phrase periodically, explaining the differences to me.
Hmm... So do we have a democrat running as a republican, or is he just a RINO?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jYZ-c7j6kGA
Quote from: walkstall on July 26, 2015, 10:28:51 AM
Hmm... So do we have a democrat running as a republican, or is he just a RINO?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jYZ-c7j6kGA
I am getting a little tired of Trump. He is spending too much time deriding other GOP candidates. I don't think he is a dem or GOP. I think he is just an opportunist.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 26, 2015, 10:50:37 AM
I am getting a little tired of Trump. He is spending too much time deriding other GOP candidates. I don't think he is a dem or GOP. I think he is just an opportunist.
The people actually think he is giving the media the finger, when in fact the media is giving us the finger by using Trump as a distraction.
However, I see it as a win for Conservatives in the long run by exposing the RINO and their hypocrisy and lies.
I give him a month and people will once again, forget Trump was even in the running.
We can all hope, solar!! :sad:
Quote from: kroz on July 26, 2015, 12:07:33 PM
We can all hope, solar!! :sad:
She dropped out nearly two months ago to the dissappointment of her fan base grassroots movement that had raised a dismal amout from lack of interest.
Which may have been why she dropped out. :laugh:
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 26, 2015, 10:50:37 AM
I am getting a little tired of Trump. He is spending too much time deriding other GOP candidates. I don't think he is a dem or GOP. I think he is just an opportunist.
I think Trump is willingly playing the part of a "lightening rod" to the rest of the field. I may be wrong, but I think it is all an act to draw attention away from the other GOP candidates. As far as is he a Dem, RINO or ???........I'd say more like a wet finger in the air!
Quote from: Montanamike on July 26, 2015, 12:33:29 PM
I think Trump is willingly playing the part of a "lightening rod" to the rest of the field. I may be wrong, but I think it is all an act to draw attention away from the other GOP candidates. As far as is he a Dem, RINO or ???........I'd say more like a wet finger in the air!
Based on his political history, that is an excellent example.
Quote from: walkstall on July 26, 2015, 10:28:51 AM
Hmm... So do we have a democrat running as a republican, or is he just a RINO?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jYZ-c7j6kGA
He's a whore for sale to the highest bidder.
Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2015, 11:07:21 AM
The people actually think he is giving the media the finger, when in fact the media is giving us the finger by using Trump as a distraction.
However, I see it as a win for Conservatives in the long run by exposing the RINO and their hypocrisy and lies.
I give him a month and people will once again, forget Trump was even in the running.
Oh,yeah!
Quote from: sneakypete on July 26, 2015, 05:51:38 PMHe's a whore for sale to the highest bidder.
Unlike JEB or John McCain, who stand on principle.
Trying to find current GOP favorability index on Google isn't easy.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 26, 2015, 06:31:27 PM
Unlike JEB or John McCain, who stand on principle.
Trying to find current GOP favorability index on Google isn't easy.
No,just the street version of them. A crasser whore without all the charm of a JEB or a McLunatic,but still the same underneath.
Truth to tell,I suspect both McLunatic and Trump are both sociopaths. JEB is nothing more than a handpuppet and mama's boy.
Quote from: sneakypete on July 26, 2015, 07:08:24 PM
No,just the street version of them. A crasser whore without all the charm of a JEB or a McLunatic,but still the same underneath.
Truth to tell,I suspect both McLunatic and Trump are both sociopaths. JEB is nothing more than a handpuppet and mama's boy.
Why do you insist in insulting sociopaths and hand puppets, they may not be exemplary citizens, but they aren't scum pols like those two. :biggrin:
Jon Stewart calls Donald Trump, "The first openly asshole president."
Jon might have chosen to say,
"America's first openly successful businessman as president."
But, then, in Jon Stewart's world, the two are the same.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 27, 2015, 06:42:38 AM
Jon Stewart calls Donald Trump, "The first openly asshole president."
Jon might have chosen to say,
"America's first openly successful businessman as president."
But, then, in Jon Stewart's world, the two are the same.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Embattled Sheriff Joe Arpaio is calling on Donald Trump to team up with him and go to Mexico. He wants to take the drug cartel war into Mexico.
The cartels operate similar to ISIS and al-Qaeda in that they recognize no borders except for the purpose of eluding law enforcement. Sheriff Joe wants to eliminate the border for law enforcement.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/sheriff-joe-deploy-u-s-military-inside-mexico/
Can you imagine this team working together??? Trump and Arpaio!
Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2015, 07:21:59 PM
Why do you insist in insulting sociopaths and hand puppets, they may not be exemplary citizens, but they aren't scum pols like those two. :biggrin:
:lol: Let 'em go Solar! The comments here are really getting hilarious!
Quote from: keyboarder on July 27, 2015, 07:56:53 AM
:lol: Let 'em go Solar! The comments here are really getting hilarious!
Compared to the RINO, I'd prefer sociopaths and hand puppets. :lol:
I am on Facebook, but do not use that medium for political comment. I am pretty amazed at how much support I am seeing for Trump. I know this is all anecdotal, but I agree with Rush about Trump. He is a refreshing change to the milk toast GOP politicians we are used to.
Quote from: kroz on July 27, 2015, 07:01:17 AM
Embattled Sheriff Joe Arpaio is calling on Donald Trump to team up with him and go to Mexico. He wants to take the drug cartel war into Mexico.
The cartels operate similar to ISIS and al-Qaeda in that they recognize no borders except for the purpose of eluding law enforcement. Sheriff Joe wants to eliminate the border for law enforcement.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/sheriff-joe-deploy-u-s-military-inside-mexico/
Can you imagine this team working together??? Trump and Arpaio!
Ring in whoever used to be the Blackwater crew, mix in Trump's money, and a private army of mercs just MIGHT calm things down.....
Rush was saying today that the GOP Leadership has not been able to thwart Trump's candidacy so they can only hope that he will self destruct as Perot did. He also said that the Est. is well aware that they are NOT doing what the voters want them to do and they are sitting on a virtual volcano that is about to erupt.
The Washington Est. gig is up. Voters are so outraged and increasingly active in the political process that the GOP/Dem coalition in Washington is doomed. 2016 will produce an atomic bomb on D.C. :scared:
Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2015, 07:21:59 PM
Why do you insist in insulting sociopaths and hand puppets, they may not be exemplary citizens, but they aren't scum pols like those two. :biggrin:
Ok,point made.
My apologies to sociopaths and hand puppets everywhere for defaming them.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 27, 2015, 06:42:38 AM
Jon Stewart calls Donald Trump, "The first openly asshole president."
Jon might have chosen to say,
"America's first openly successful businessman as president."
But, then, in Jon Stewart's world, the two are the same.
You can't pay any attention to anything Jon Stewart has to say. He is a leftist Jew that hides behind the name "Stewart" and doesn't have a single original thought in his pointy little head. He could be replaced by a tape recorder.
Quote from: quiller on July 27, 2015, 10:24:45 AM
Ring in whoever used to be the Blackwater crew, mix in Trump's money, and a private army of mercs just MIGHT calm things down.....
Like I said previously, issuing letters of Marque to private Govt contractors would solve the border drug problems. After all Black Jack Pershing Invaded mexico looking for Pancho Villa after he Raided New Mexico, these cartels do far more damage in the USa than ol' Poncho ever did
Quote from: zewazir on July 27, 2015, 09:03:02 PM
The reason the demoncraps insist on focusing on skin color (and any other differences they can exploit) is because they are using it in the age-old strategy of divide and conquer. For 60 years now the dims have managed to keep a significant percentage of blacks cooped up and dependent, trading the plantations of the old South for the projects of so-called civil rights. Th democrats never gave up on keeping slaves, they just found a different way of doing it.
I'm seeing a need for self assessment of this forum, a standing back and taking stock.
Scott Walker was asked by Hannity last week, "What is your greatest challenge?"
His answer was, "JEB Bush. JEB Bush has raised more money than the rest of us, put together." That's Scott Walker. Yet, in this forum, JEB is portrayed as a mere foot note, the candidate without a chance in hell.
JEB could never push it above 4% with the rank and file, yet little by little he has moved up into the high twenties, trailing upstart Don Trump by about 1%, according to most reports.
Looking back, the cartel busting Senator Cruz and his followers were showing strong. That candidacy was gaining strength even among that hidden conservative Hispanic and traditionally Democrat contingent. About that time, the flock of suits descended, one announcement upon another in a display we could best call bizarre. The result, everyone reset to 5%, which just so happened to be where Bush sat. Remember, Cruz had been driven to 6% by the time Trump entered.
Just about that time, and this is where this forum seems to have contracted Alzheimer's lite, the bombastic Trump entered the contest. Now, JEB's candidacy has inexplicably surged, while Cruz has found himself still parked at 6%. I can't support the claim that JEB is at 29%, but my own ears heard Walker say that Bush is his greatest challenge. Meanwhile, this forum continues to see Cruz as the front runner, find every excuse to deride Trump, and deny the Bush factor all together.
This piling criticism on to the popular Trump while, at the same time, abandoning the hope of Cruz like they never heard of him, all the while embracing JEB all might account for the reports that GOP favorability is dropping among the R and IND.
If I were and Indie, I'd be saying, oh well, here go the good ol boy GOP again, must have their way. That's leadership? Pathetic.
Then, I read comments like zewazir's above, the one claiming, again, it is all the Democrats' fault, that somehow this eager to breathe free black population is being "held down," which is common rhetoric, going unchallenged, and I think the forum needs a weekend at Trump Doral to get itself aligned with what is going on. I might just head there, myself.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 28, 2015, 07:02:37 AM
I'm seeing a need for self assessment of this forum, a standing back and taking stock.
Scott Walker was asked by Hannity last week, "What is your greatest challenge?"
His answer was, "JEB Bush. JEB Bush has raised more money than the rest of us, put together." That's Scott Walker. Yet, in this forum, JEB is portrayed as a mere foot note, the candidate without a chance in hell.
JEB could never push it above 4% with the rank and file, yet little by little he has moved up into the high twenties, trailing upstart Don Trump by about 1%, according to most reports.
Looking back, the cartel busting Senator Cruz and his followers were showing strong. That candidacy was gaining strength even among that hidden conservative Hispanic and traditionally Democrat contingent. About that time, the flock of suits descended, one announcement upon another in a display we could best call bizarre. The result, everyone reset to 5%, which just so happened to be where Bush sat. Remember, Cruz had been driven to 6% by the time Trump entered.
Just about that time, and this is where this forum seems to have contracted Alzheimer's lite, the bombastic Trump entered the contest. Now, JEB's candidacy has inexplicably surged, while Cruz has found himself still parked at 6%. I can't support the claim that JEB is at 29%, but my own ears heard Walker say that Bush is his greatest challenge. Meanwhile, this forum continues to see Cruz as the front runner, find every excuse to deride Trump, and deny the Bush factor all together.
This piling criticism on to the popular Trump while, at the same time, abandoning the hope of Cruz like they never heard of him, all the while embracing JEB all might account for the reports that GOP favorability is dropping among the R and IND.
If I were and Indie, I'd be saying, oh well, here go the good ol boy GOP again, must have their way. That's leadership? Pathetic.
Then, I read comments like zewazir's above, the one claiming, again, it is all the Democrats' fault, that somehow this eager to breathe free black population is being "held down," which is common rhetoric, going unchallenged, and I think the forum needs a weekend at Trump Doral to get itself aligned with what is going on. I might just head there, myself.
There is an element of truth in your post, red.
We like to stay focused on our goal and not get derailed by momentary unpleasant facts. It is still early in this race and we have not yet had the first debate.
The media is driving the poll numbers. They have an agenda which we do not accept.
The money that Jeb has raised is largely pledges of money... not hard cash. The last report I read had Ted leading in hard cash raised. Pledges can change.
Yes, Trump is growing in popularity.... even with the base. That is currently driving the news and people like the fact that Trump is bold. If he maintains his current course, he could win.
Most of us on this forum do not expect that to happen. Therefore we stay focused upon what we believe will be the long term result of this campaign.
So, I'll check out the rates at Trump's Doral !! :laugh:
Quote from: red_dirt on July 28, 2015, 07:02:37 AM
I'm seeing a need for self assessment of this forum, a standing back and taking stock.
Scott Walker was asked by Hannity last week, "What is your greatest challenge?"
His answer was, "JEB Bush. JEB Bush has raised more money than the rest of us, put together." That's Scott Walker. Yet, in this forum, JEB is portrayed as a mere foot note, the candidate without a chance in hell.
JEB could never push it above 4% with the rank and file, yet little by little he has moved up into the high twenties, trailing upstart Don Trump by about 1%, according to most reports.
By whose claims, the LSM and the RINO?
QuoteLooking back, the cartel busting Senator Cruz and his followers were showing strong. That candidacy was gaining strength even among that hidden conservative Hispanic and traditionally Democrat contingent. About that time, the flock of suits descended, one announcement upon another in a display we could best call bizarre. The result, everyone reset to 5%, which just so happened to be where Bush sat. Remember, Cruz had been driven to 6% by the time Trump entered.
Again, by what standards, Leftist media in cooperation with the Establishment?
QuoteJust about that time, and this is where this forum seems to have contracted Alzheimer's lite, the bombastic Trump entered the contest. Now, JEB's candidacy has inexplicably surged, while Cruz has found himself still parked at 6%. I can't support the claim that JEB is at 29%, but my own ears heard Walker say that Bush is his greatest challenge. Meanwhile, this forum continues to see Cruz as the front runner, find every excuse to deride Trump, and deny the Bush factor all together.
Sixteen months out, and you're declaring it's over
QuoteThis piling criticism on to the popular Trump while, at the same time, abandoning the hope of Cruz like they never heard of him, all the while embracing JEB all might account for the reports that GOP favorability is dropping among the R and IND.
If I were and Indie, I'd be saying, oh well, here go the good ol boy GOP again, must have their way. That's leadership? Pathetic.
Then, I read comments like zewazir's above, the one claiming, again, it is all the Democrats' fault, that somehow this eager to breathe free black population is being "held down," which is common rhetoric, going unchallenged, and I think the forum needs a weekend at Trump Doral to get itself aligned with what is going on. I might just head there, myself.
Or maybe you need to quit taking bogus polls as the Gospel?
These so called polls that claim Trump is the chosen one, do not reflect the voting public at large, what they do expose is the nations hatred for politics as usual.
But from all the polling data I've read, no where do they ask if they'd definitely vote for Trump over Cruz, and the reason for that is, these polls are designed to bolster Trump as a distraction from the Marxist, as well as a way to hurt Conservative candidates, which in truth is backfiring.
Why would we talk about Jeb and Trump in this thread, when there are dozens of other thread to talk about them?
Does every thread on this board have to be about the evil RINO's?
Quote from: Dori on July 28, 2015, 07:46:09 AM
Why would we talk about Jeb and Trump in this thread, when there are dozens of other thread to talk about them?
Does every thread on this board have to be about the evil RINO's?
Good point!
Quote from: Solar on July 28, 2015, 07:35:34 AM
By whose claims, the LSM and the RINO?
Again, by what standards, Leftist media in cooperation with the Establishment?
Sixteen months out, and you're declaring it's over
Or maybe you need to quit taking bogus polls as the Gospel?
These so called polls that claim Trump is the chosen one, do not reflect the voting public at large, what they do expose is the nations hatred for politics as usual.
But from all the polling data I've read, no where do they ask if they'd definitely vote for Trump over Cruz, and the reason for that is, these polls are designed to bolster Trump as a distraction from the Marxist, as well as a way to hurt Conservative candidates, which in truth is backfiring.
Now who is tilting at windmills, Solar? There sure are a lot of bogus polls out there. Here's a couple more:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
http://www.270towin.com/2016-polls/2016-general-election-matchups/
Conservatives handed the Republicans victory in 2010 and 2014. (*Levin)
Incidentally, "over"? It hasn't started yet, in my opinion, just barely started.
Quote from: kroz on July 28, 2015, 07:23:19 AM
The media is driving the poll numbers. They have an agenda which we do not accept.
Most of us on this forum do not expect that to happen. Therefore we stay focused upon what we believe will be the long term result of this campaign.
So, I'll check out the rates at Trump's Doral !! :laugh:
Yeah, that might be the ticket. Little early in the season, though. :biggrin:
You aren't saying the media is driving the Trump wagon, are you? I would think the media would hate the Trump comments. Look how they rewrote his first announcement to fit a slam agenda, one that backfired, by the way, as big stacks of police reports piled up.
Quote from: Dori on July 28, 2015, 07:46:09 AM
Why would we talk about Jeb and Trump in this thread, when there are dozens of other thread to talk about them?
Does every thread on this board have to be about the evil RINO's?
Sorry for the distraction, Dori, but honestly, how many times do we dance around the facts of the matter. Life is cheap in the ghetto. End of story. Spin it any way you want to. Whites are not racist slave masters. That's absurd. Separating one self from that scene is not racist.
My comments did not have to do with race, but rather, with taking time out and deciding which is the reality and which is our own wishes. All effective organizations do that from time to time, especially when the people are passionate and committed. If everyone would just listen to us, the world would be a better place. But you know that's not going to happen. In my lifetime, conservatives have always been the common sense minority, swimming against the tide.
So, my comments were not about the RINO. They were about a general assessment, starting with the Z-man's assessment of the Negro issue, which I felt needed work. :popcorn:
QuoteI'm seeing a need for self assessment of this forum, a standing back and taking stock.
Money can not always buy you happiness. But it can buy you a politicians. With that being said, last elections I saw new people with a lot less money and the truth take office. People are getting pissed.
Quote from: walkstall on July 28, 2015, 09:46:08 AM
Money can not always buy you happiness. But it can buy you a politicians. With that being said, last elections I saw new people with a lot less money and the truth take office. People are getting pissed.
Walks, can you split out Red's and my posts from this thread and move them to the Trump thread, starting with Reply #11.
Thanks.
I think the media is inadvertently driving up Trump's poll numbers. The more they criticize him, the more voters flock to his corner.
I also think that Jeb's numbers stay artificially high because of name recognition among LIV.
As the campaign progresses the voters are going to become more familiar with the field of candidates. The debates should help if they are not tilted by the moderators..... as they were last time!
I honestly don't expect voters to settle down and pay attention until the summer vacations are finished.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 28, 2015, 09:13:02 AM
So, my comments were not about the RINO. They were about a general assessment, starting with the Z-man's assessment of the Negro issue, which I felt needed work. :popcorn:
What did you find inaccurate? I'll admit those comments were, by far, incomplete. (I don't think this forum is equipped for a multi-volume, 10 megaword analysis.)
TRUMPS' CANDIDACY NOT ALL ABOUT HIM - NO, SERIOUSLY
If Donald Trump can lead his closest rival in New Hampshire's Republican primary by a 2-to-1 margin even after mocking local favorite John McCain's five years as a prisoner of war, it's time for Republicans to drop the idea that Trump will burn out or be blown away.
The new Monmouth University poll – which was in the field starting the day Trump made his POW dig – shows the brash businessman with nearly a quarter of the vote, doubling up establishment frontrunner Jeb Bush. And for those who think that the nasty words of Trump's lawyer about spousal rape or Trump's history of dealings with the Mafia will undo the candidate, they're still missing the point.
While there may be some who like the idea of a businessman in the White House, the core of Trump's support seems to be among those chiefly interested in his power to smash the system – as a destroyer in chief.
You don't care too much about the policy views or personal life of the guy you hire to bulldoze a building, just so long as he can put it asunder. Republicans have tried hitting Trump for serial flip-floppery, crassness and a lack of qualifications. The collective response from nearly one in five Republicans nationally: So's yer mom! They don't want Trump to make Washington work. They want him to burn the place down.
And guess what? That percentage of the party isn't shrinking. Far from it.
So while candidates, particularly Rick Perry, are going after Trump with barrels blazing they're not slowing him down. Why? The ironic truth is that the guy with the biggest ego in the field is the one with the campaign that's really not about him.
But keep Trump in perspective. However long his reign as frontrunner lasts, it is bound to end. And it is not as likely to be from another candidate's shots or a self-inflicted wound, as it is from the tyranny of fractions.
Republicans have opted to compress their nominating process this cycle. Candidates have been barred from participating in any debates until next week, when some network is kicking things off in Cleveland. Four years ago, the candidates were gearing up for their third debate at this time. As a result of this long period of vamping, candidate after candidate has gotten into the race. This compressed-primary strategy may look very different at the end of a process designed to produce a well-funded and unifying nominee, but in these dog days, the GOP is feeling the grind.
Plus with an open seat, lots of qualified candidates and a beatable Democrat dogging through a phony primary, there are lots of interested individuals. And since there's seemingly little difference between being a top-tier contender at 6 points and a small-fry with 2 points, many have taken the plunge. In most years, people ask why they should run for president. This year the question seems to be "Why not?"
As a consequence of such a divided political pie, Trump can be the big man with relatively small wedge compared to previous years. But as the process kicks into gear and candidates drop out and constituencies coalesce, 18 percent won't be enough to claim bragging rights. And with Trump trumping, party pressure will grow for long-shots to get out of the race to give real contenders a chance.
And that may be how the Trump saga ends: Once he is overtaken by other candidates, the wrecking crew that's backing Trump now may have to accept the fact that he will never get to swing the ball on Pennsylvania Avenue. They will then either move on from politics this cycle or accept a more practical contractor for their planned demolition.
Fox News Online
Quote from: kroz on July 28, 2015, 11:28:00 AM
TRUMPS' CANDIDACY NOT ALL ABOUT HIM - NO, SERIOUSLY
If Donald Trump can lead his closest rival in New Hampshire's Republican primary by a 2-to-1 margin even after mocking local favorite John McCain's five years as a prisoner of war, it's time for Republicans to drop the idea that Trump will burn out or be blown away.
The new Monmouth University poll – which was in the field starting the day Trump made his POW dig – shows the brash businessman with nearly a quarter of the vote, doubling up establishment frontrunner Jeb Bush. And for those who think that the nasty words of Trump's lawyer about spousal rape or Trump's history of dealings with the Mafia will undo the candidate, they're still missing the point.
While there may be some who like the idea of a businessman in the White House, the core of Trump's support seems to be among those chiefly interested in his power to smash the system – as a destroyer in chief.
You don't care too much about the policy views or personal life of the guy you hire to bulldoze a building, just so long as he can put it asunder. Republicans have tried hitting Trump for serial flip-floppery, crassness and a lack of qualifications. The collective response from nearly one in five Republicans nationally: So's yer mom! They don't want Trump to make Washington work. They want him to burn the place down.
And guess what? That percentage of the party isn't shrinking. Far from it.
So while candidates, particularly Rick Perry, are going after Trump with barrels blazing they're not slowing him down. Why? The ironic truth is that the guy with the biggest ego in the field is the one with the campaign that's really not about him.
But keep Trump in perspective. However long his reign as frontrunner lasts, it is bound to end. And it is not as likely to be from another candidate's shots or a self-inflicted wound, as it is from the tyranny of fractions.
Republicans have opted to compress their nominating process this cycle. Candidates have been barred from participating in any debates until next week, when some network is kicking things off in Cleveland. Four years ago, the candidates were gearing up for their third debate at this time. As a result of this long period of vamping, candidate after candidate has gotten into the race. This compressed-primary strategy may look very different at the end of a process designed to produce a well-funded and unifying nominee, but in these dog days, the GOP is feeling the grind.
Plus with an open seat, lots of qualified candidates and a beatable Democrat dogging through a phony primary, there are lots of interested individuals. And since there's seemingly little difference between being a top-tier contender at 6 points and a small-fry with 2 points, many have taken the plunge. In most years, people ask why they should run for president. This year the question seems to be "Why not?"
As a consequence of such a divided political pie, Trump can be the big man with relatively small wedge compared to previous years. But as the process kicks into gear and candidates drop out and constituencies coalesce, 18 percent won't be enough to claim bragging rights. And with Trump trumping, party pressure will grow for long-shots to get out of the race to give real contenders a chance.
And that may be how the Trump saga ends: Once he is overtaken by other candidates, the wrecking crew that's backing Trump now may have to accept the fact that he will never get to swing the ball on Pennsylvania Avenue. They will then either move on from politics this cycle or accept a more practical contractor for their planned demolition.
Fox News Online
Some excellent points. I also believe Trump is benefiting greatly from the split field. I am of the opinion that his support now is what it will continue to be. I just don't see large numbers of other candidates' voters migrating to Trump as those candidates drop out.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 28, 2015, 11:48:07 AM
Some excellent points. I also believe Trump is benefiting greatly from the split field. I am of the opinion that his support now is what it will continue to be. I just don't see large numbers of other candidates' voters migrating to Trump as those candidates drop out.
Trump to me is like a three-ring circus. It was great in it Heyday. But along came television, now it's cell phones that have become the babysitters of the uninformed voter.
Trump's courting Sarah and Trey... and he's in-touch with Sheriff Joe.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/trump-would-love-sarah-palin-in-his-cabinet-shes-a-special-person-audio/
It still may be grandstanding. But he's grandstanding with the right people in the wings. Keeping in-mind the secret meeting with Cruz, I dunno... All I can do is observe.
Quote from: kit saginaw on July 28, 2015, 03:04:32 PM
Trump's courting Sarah and Trey... and he's in-touch with Sheriff Joe.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/07/trump-would-love-sarah-palin-in-his-cabinet-shes-a-special-person-audio/
It still may be grandstanding. But he's grandstanding with the right people in the wings. Keeping in-mind the secret meeting with Cruz, I dunno... All I can do is observe.
Meh. I'd like Nethan Yahu as my VP as well.
Just courting and dropping names is all it is. Kind of like the Marxist in the WH invoking Reagan.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 28, 2015, 09:13:02 AM
Now who is tilting at windmills, Solar?
That made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
QuoteThere sure are a lot of bogus polls out there. Here's a couple more:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
http://www.270towin.com/2016-polls/2016-general-election-matchups/
All polls are bogus. Like Kroz pointed out, they can only show trends if the pollsters are consistent with their methodology.
QuoteConservatives handed the Republicans victory in 2010 and 2014. (*Levin)
Incidentally, "over"? It hasn't started yet, in my opinion, just barely started.
[/quote]
Correct.
QuoteYou aren't saying the media is driving the Trump wagon, are you?
No, but I am, it's blatantly obvious.
Quote from: Solar on July 28, 2015, 03:39:39 PM
1) That made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
2) All polls are bogus. Like Kroz pointed out, they can only show trends if the pollsters are consistent with their methodology.
3) Incidentally, "over"? It hasn't started yet, in my opinion, just barely started.
Correct.
4)No, but I am, it's blatantly obvious.
1) See #2
2) Support the red statement? The 270 to win poll takers are using what they
say is advanced analysis that is electoral college based. Some one in New York
gives a conservative response, so what? In fact, I heard a New York conservative interviewed recently. He wished to contribute and make a difference, so he volunteers at a national phone bank. In other words, why waste his time with New York.
3) Why on earth would the media help Trump, if that is what is being suggested? I would think the media would hate Trump, see him as a threat. Trump is the boy at The Emperor's parade.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 28, 2015, 04:10:56 PM
1) See #2
2) Support the red statement? The 270 to win poll takers are using what they
say is advanced analysis that is electoral college based. Some one in New York
gives a conservative response, so what? In fact, I heard a New York conservative interviewed recently. He wished to contribute and make a difference, so he volunteers at a national phone bank. In other words, why waste his time with New York.
3) Why on earth would the media help Trump, if that is what is being suggested? I would think the media would hate Trump, see him as a threat. Trump is the boy at The Emperor's parade.
Pick any poll, they are weighted historically Dim, it's the formula that dates back to when the Dims weren't in power, before FDR.
That alone creates a false premise from which to start. Granted, in the last decade a few have changed the formula, but that merely skews historical results which they base current results against.
Yes, regardless of what you believe, Rasmussen comes closest to reality, yet they are still way off in the end, because asking people who probably won't vote anyway is no reflection in reality.
I explained why the leftists are helping Trump, it is designed to steal away from all the others running, costing them much needed funds to stay relevant.
As well as it's a perfect sleight of hand for the Marxist to get away with even more corruption.
How much have you heard about him on the new lately?
Before you take a poll seriously you have to read how the poll breaks down.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 28, 2015, 06:53:18 PM
Before you take a poll seriously you have to read how the poll breaks down.
Yep, and I read nearly all the internal stats on how the poll was setup, and almost always the bias is exposed in the first 5 pertinent questions.
It's a hobby, a weird one, I admit, but a still a hobby. :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on July 28, 2015, 07:06:05 PM
Yep, and I read nearly all the internal stats on how the poll was setup, and almost always the bias is exposed in the first 5 pertinent questions.
It's a hobby, a weird one, I admit, but a still a hobby. :biggrin:
I won't presume to know about that. Your premise, though, has a built in protective device, which is that the polls themselves can influence the outcome, making the RBI stats essentially useless. Add the influence of media bias, and its amazing what the Bush and Rove of this world are capable of accomplishing. But, that's all Skull and Bones territory. Will be, until the public gets a clue.
That was what my remark about tilting windmills referred to. The idea that since it is all a big sham, what's the point? At some point, we have to have faith. That's what you are always preaching, anyway, isn't it?
Quote from: red_dirt on July 28, 2015, 07:46:04 PM
I won't presume to know about that. Your premise, though, has a built in protective device, which is that the polls themselves can influence the outcome, making the RBI stats essentially useless. Add the influence of media bias, and its amazing what the Bush and Rove of this world are capable of accomplishing. But, that's all Skull and Bones territory. Will be, until the public gets a clue.
That was what my remark about tilting windmills referred to. The idea that since it is all a big sham, what's the point? At some point, we have to have faith. That's what you are always preaching, anyway, isn't it?
Like you, I too have a mission of exposing fraud at every level of politics, including the Republican party, and until people wake up and realize they're being played, nothing will change.
What you're seeing with Trump is just a side show act in the big media circus, one that will die as fast as it started.
But enjoy the show and see it for what it truly is, entertainment for the masses.
Believe me, the media plays the public like a fine orchestra.
Quote from: Solar on July 28, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
But enjoy the show and see it for what it truly is, entertainment for the masses.
Believe me, the media plays the public like a fine orchestra.
I'm not that lacking in faith to rule out the possibility that Donald Trump is for real. His concern for this country has been consistent over time. If this is a publicity stunt, like most in the Tea Party seem to think, he sure has gone to a lot of trouble to bring it off.
The attitude is condescending, really. One member of the forum made the claim that he was way smarter than Trump. It is pretty hard to take a comment like that seriously; but then, my comments probably are not taken too seriously, in return. I'll just watch the "sideshow."
Quote from: Dori on July 28, 2015, 07:46:09 AM
Why would we talk about Jeb and Trump in this thread, when there are dozens of other thread to talk about them?
Does every thread on this board have to be about the evil RINO's?
Well,they do represent the most immediate danger to the Republic.
Give us a 21st Century Barry Goldwater to rally behind,and watch us jump.
Watch a LOT of people jump to get involved,including a hell of a lot of conservatives that just gave up on voting because their only choices always ended up being a choice between "the globalist/socialist with the D behind his name,or the globalist/socialist with the R behind his name"?
Since we aren't being given any practical choice,it makes sense to spend our time ripping the pretenders apart and shining a little light on their backstabbing and treason. In fact,doing this is the only real strategy we have that has any chance of changing things.
Quote from: kroz on July 28, 2015, 11:07:45 AM
I think the media is inadvertently driving up Trump's poll numbers.
Of course they are. Their goal is to always trick to pick the looniest Republican candidate that they can find and puff him or her up as the "saving light of the Republican Party,and a true Republican" in order to poison the well of valid candidates that might actually have a chance of toppling the regime.
Conservative voters traditionally fall in line behind these false flag "conservatives" because "they are saying what needs to be said" while ignoring the fact they are babbling a lot of nonsense that doesn't need to be said. Then it comes to nut-cutting time,and the Perots and the Trumps fade off into the distance,the conservative voters who had gained hope and had stars in their eyes get disgusted,and stay home and don't vote because "Surprize,SURPRIZE! It's boiled down to another Bush!" because the circus carney sucked up all the attention and no actual conservative could ever gain enough traction to make it past the first debate.
Gee,who could see THAT coming?
Donald Trump is as smart as Joe Biden,and as honest as Goober Gore. If he hadn't been born into wealth and NYC social circles,he would be lucky to have a job as a salesman on a small used car lot.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 28, 2015, 10:52:24 PM
I'm not that lacking in faith to rule out the possibility that Donald Trump is for real. His concern for this country has been consistent over time. If this is a publicity stunt, like most in the Tea Party seem to think, he sure has gone to a lot of trouble to bring it off.
The attitude is condescending, really. One member of the forum made the claim that he was way smarter than Trump. It is pretty hard to take a comment like that seriously; but then, my comments probably are not taken too seriously, in return. I'll just watch the "sideshow."
What makes you think Trump is so smart? Is it the fact that he was smart enough to be born with a 12 million dollar trust fund that was turned over to him when he was 21,smart enough to inherit a successful 2 generation real estate empire that he ran into bankruptcy,or is the only man in all of known history who managed to run a freaking gambling casino into bankruptcy?
If Trump had not been born sliding into home plate,the BEST he could hope for would be to be a used car salesman on a small 2 man used car lot.
Quote from: sneakypete on July 29, 2015, 02:04:49 AM
Donald Trump is as smart as Joe Biden,and as honest as Goober Gore. If he hadn't been born into wealth and NYC social circles,he would be lucky to have a job as a salesman on a small used car lot.
Haberdasher Harry S Truman, anyone....? The man rises to the occasion.
Of course Trump is getting lots o Media play, why?...simple....he is mostly ragging on other republicans....all they got to do is stand back and let him run his mouth and do their job of twisting peoples heads who aren't that smart to begin with. Remember the Media is ALWAYS and will always be on the side of the Left. They also control the polls that means I don't believe one word of what they print.
If Trump were scorching Hillary and 'Trotsky' Sanders or any of the other Dems with every word it would be a different media spin altogether.
As far as his 'conservatism' I wonder if it is the position of convenience, he used to be best friends with the Clintonista's and an ardent supporter, yeah the guy is 'popular' coz everybody knows him, he is a celbrity, a movie star so to speak.
Charles Krauthammer had it right, Trump is a rodeo clown, everybody loves and cheers the rodeo clown who DISTRACTS the mean ol' bull from the vulnerable cowboy with his outrageous antics.
It sounds to me like Trump is being implicated in the Bolshevik deception we have come to associate with the Clintons, the Bushes, Al Gore, now John Kerry, Vladimir Putin, much of the British and American media, much of Congress and most of Parliament, but probably especially the Clintons and Gores. Not to leave out Obama.
These are people who appear to be steeped in the amorphous brainwashing associated with Globalism, Global warming, Multi cultural healing, (that is, if one race is sick, the all of humanity is sick,) Jewish Communism, and the European Economic Union. If I had to sum it up, it would be practitioners of that Orwell/Skinner psychology aimed at subjugating the individual into compliance with the authoritarian state -- the Soviet.
I could go on with the long list of human concerns manufactured by communists for the goal of communism, but I think by now we are all more or less familiar with that agenda. It is anti industrial, anti capitalist, divisive and active on many fronts, not the least of which are education, central, paternalistic government, and so many examples of authoritarian tyranny such as flooding the borders with undesirables and thinly veiled militant attack on our institutions such as the Christian religion.
This is the company most of the Tea Party would have us associate with Donald Trump. By my reckoning, if Donald is part of the global socialist agenda, he is keeping it very well hidden.
I would point to other significant differences between Trump and, say, Clintons or Obama. Not the least of which is what I am calling, "known origin." How is it that Clinton suddenly burst on the scene, Governor of Arkansas, or that Obama, something like out of thin air? Trump has been highly visible in that field of glamour real estate for as long as I have been paying attention. His life is an open book, sometimes not exactly to his edification. Can anyone point to a life period when Donald's time is somehow unaccounted for, a period of alleged programming by the Bolshevist master? Alleged or not, we can certainly count vacant years in the lives of both Clinton and Obama.
Sorry, I am not seeing the similarities. I do notice Tea Party like Beth Martin, effectively a webmaster, stepping forward in the guise of a kingmaker, an influential political operative. Compared to that sort of thing, I think the case against Donald Trump needs to be built on more solid ground than web warrior wise cracks.
Quote from: sneakypete on July 29, 2015, 02:18:00 AM
What makes you think Trump is so smart? Is it the fact that he was smart enough to be born with a 12 million dollar trust fund that was turned over to him when he was 21,smart enough to inherit a successful 2 generation real estate empire that he ran into bankruptcy,or is the only man in all of known history who managed to run a freaking gambling casino into bankruptcy?
If Trump had not been born sliding into home plate,the BEST he could hope for would be to be a used car salesman on a small 2 man used car lot.
This has turned into a contest of who can come up with the biggest whopper.
Trump graduated at the top of his class at Wharton. Twelve million equity in a prospering New York construction and real estate company is nothing. Donald ran that up to considerably more, net equity.
Incidentally, the general consensus has been over the years that the Vegas Casinos have been primarily skim and launder operations, not comparable to your average, run of the mill, enterprise.
Las Vegas is constantly changing and the list below of casino sales, implosions, closures and name changes is living proof. The following information is listed in alphabetical order, not in date order. Big Red's Casino: Closed in 1982, turned into Sports World Casino, closed in 2001, is now a shopping center.
Boardwalk Casino: Demolished May 9, 2006, will become CityCenter expect completion 2010.
Bonanza Casino: Demolished, opened in 1973 at the MGM Grand, in 1985 changed into Ballys.
Boomtown Casino: Changed name to Silverton in 1998.
Bourbon Street Casino: Closed in 2005, now vacant.
Castaways Casino: Closed and imploded in 2005
Continental Casino: Closed in 1999, remodeled and opened in 2000 as Terrible's Casino.
Debbie Reynolds Casino: Sold in 1998 to World Wrestling Federation, renamed to Convention Center Drive Hotel, sold in 2000 and renamed Greek Isles Casino in 2001.
Desert Inn Casino: sold to Howard Hughes in 1967, changed hands a couple more times and then in 1993 sold to ITT/Sheraton, sold again in 1998 to Starwood Hotels, sold to Steve Wynn in 2000, closed in 2001, partially imploded in October 2001, balance demolished in 2004, is now part of Wynn Las Vegas.
Dunes Casino: Demolished in 1993, now is the Bellagio Casino.
El Rancho Vegas: Burned in 1960, now is the Hilton Grand Vacation Club timeshare on part of the land.
El Rancho Casino: Closed in 1992, demolished in 2000, after being sold to Turnberry Associates.
Fiesta Casino: Sold to Station Casinos in 2001, name changed to Fiesta Rancho.
Frontier Casino: In 1967, sold to Howard Hughes, sold to Margaret Elardi in 1988, sold again to Phil Ruffin in 1998 and renamed it New Frontier. The New Frontier closed its doors at 12:00am on July 16, 2007, and was demolished on November 13, 2007.
Gold Strike Casino: Sold to Circus Circus in 1995, name change to Mandalay Resort Group in 1999, become part of the 2004 Merger with MGM Mirage.
Hacienda: Demolished in 1996, is now the Mandalay Bay Casino.
Holy Cow Casino Cafe and Brewery: Closed in 2002.
Jackpot Casino: Closed in 1977, is now part of the Sahara.
Key Largo Casino: Closed in 2005, awaiting ?
Klondike Casino: Closed in 2006, soon to be demolished.
Landmark Casino: Closed in 1991, demolished in 1995 and is now part of the Las Vegas Convention Center Parking Structure.
Las Frontier Casino: Opened in 1942 and renamed to New Frontier in 1955.
Le Reve Casino: Was the working name for what is now Wynn Las Vegas. Never opened under the working name.
Lotus Inn Casino: Closed in 1978, is now a Rodeway Inn.
Lucky Slots Casino: Closed in 1981, is now retail shopping center.
Marina Casino: Closed in November 1991, in December 1993 is now part of the MGM Grand.
Maxim Casino: Sold in 1998, sold several more times and in 2002 sold to Clumbia Sussex Corp, remodeled and in 2003 opened as Westin Casuarina Hotel.
Mint Casino: Sold in 1989 and become part of Binion's Horseshoe.
Money Tree Casino: Closed in 1979.
Nevada Palace casino opened in July 1979 and changed hands in 1983. It is now part of the parking lot of the Eastside Cannery Casino, which opened in late 2008.
New Frontier Casino: From 1955 to 1967, then changed name to Frontier.
Nob Hill Casino: Closed in 1990, is now Casino Royale.
Paddlewheel Casino: Closed in 1991, opened in 1993 as the Debbie Reynolds which closed in 1996 and is now the Greek Isles Casino.
Reserve Casino: Sold in 2001 to Station Casinos and name changed to Fiesta Henderson.
Royal Nevada Casino: Opened in 1955, changed name in 1958 to Stardust.
San Souci: Closed in 1962, made into the Castaways, and then demolished in 1987, is now The Mirage.
San Remo Casino: Sold in 2004, changed name to Hooters.
Sands Casino: Demolished in 1996, is now The Venetian.
Showboat Casino: Sold in 2000, changed name to Castaways, sold several times and in 2005 closed and demolished.
Silver City Casino: Closed in 1999, is now the Silver City Shopping Center.
Silver Nugget Casino: Name change in 1990 to Mahoney's Silver Nugget.
Silver Slipper: Demolished in 1988, made into a parking lot and now the Desert Inn Road Arterial.
Silverbird Casino: Sold in 1981 and renamed El Rancho.
South Coast Casino: Sold and name change in October 2006, new name is South Point.
Stardust Resort & Casino: Closed November 1 2006, Demolished March 13, 2007, will become Echelon Place, expect completion 2010.
Tally Ho Hotel: (Legal name was King's Crown Tally Ho) Sold in 1966, turned into The Aladdin, which now is Planet Hollywood in 2006.
Thunderbird Casino: Closed in 1976, reopened as Silverbird.
Treasury Casino: Sold and renamed as the San Remo in 1989.
Union Casino: Opened in 1970, renamed in 1971 as Union Plaza Casino.
Vegas World: Sold in 1994, demolished in 1995, is now the Stratosphere.
Westward Ho Casino: Closed in 2005, demolished in 2006.
Vacation Village Resort & Casino: Closed in 2002, sold in 1994 to Turnberry Assoc., demolished in 2006.
http://www.insidervlv.com/casinosclosed.html
Quote from: red_dirt on July 29, 2015, 08:07:15 AM
It sounds to me like Trump is being implicated in the Bolshevik deception we have come to associate with the Clintons, the Bushes, Al Gore, now John Kerry, Vladimir Putin, much of the British and American media, much of Congress and most of Parliament, but probably especially the Clintons and Gores. Not to leave out Obama.
These are people who appear to be steeped in the amorphous brainwashing associated with Globalism, Global warming, Multi cultural healing, (that is, if one race is sick, the all of humanity is sick,) Jewish Communism, and the European Economic Union. If I had to sum it up, it would be practitioners of that Orwell/Skinner psychology aimed at subjugating the individual into compliance with the authoritarian state -- the Soviet.
I could go on with the long list of human concerns manufactured by communists for the goal of communism, but I think by now we are all more or less familiar with that agenda. It is anti industrial, anti capitalist, divisive and active on many fronts, not the least of which are education, central, paternalistic government, and so many examples of authoritarian tyranny such as flooding the borders with undesirables and thinly veiled militant attack on our institutions such as the Christian religion.
This is the company most of the Tea Party would have us associate with Donald Trump. By my reckoning, if Donald is part of the global socialist agenda, he is keeping it very well hidden.
I would point to other significant differences between Trump and, say, Clintons or Obama. Not the least of which is what I am calling, "known origin." How is it that Clinton suddenly burst on the scene, Governor of Arkansas, or that Obama, something like out of thin air? Trump has been highly visible in that field of glamour real estate for as long as I have been paying attention. His life is an open book, sometimes not exactly to his edification. Can anyone point to a life period when Donald's time is somehow unaccounted for, a period of alleged programming by the Bolshevist master? Alleged or not, we can certainly count vacant years in the lives of both Clinton and Obama.
Sorry, I am not seeing the similarities. I do notice Tea Party like Beth Martin, effectively a webmaster, stepping forward in the guise of a kingmaker, an influential political operative. Compared to that sort of thing, I think the case against Donald Trump needs to be built on more solid ground than web warrior wise cracks.
Beth Martin is a fraud, pure and simple.
Trump has an open record, one that exposes a lack of values, while crisscrossing party affiliations.
He's either a Conservative or he is not, there is no in between, and his record proves he's a pure opportunist.
With that said, could he make a good leader? Sure, he's proven he can rally people, but those he rally's are focused on making money, not that this is a bad thing, but it leaves a trail of "Follow the Money" which exposes his lack of center outside of profit, leftist or Right, his goals have never been about country, it's always been about what's best for Trump.
Quote from: sneakypete on July 29, 2015, 02:18:00 AM
What makes you think Trump is so smart? Is it the fact that he was smart enough to be born with a 12 million dollar trust fund that was turned over to him when he was 21,smart enough to inherit a successful 2 generation real estate empire that he ran into bankruptcy,or is the only man in all of known history who managed to run a freaking gambling casino into bankruptcy?
If Trump had not been born sliding into home plate,the BEST he could hope for would be to be a used car salesman on a small 2 man used car lot.
That is an unfair and rather simplistic description of Trump.
Quote from: Solar on July 29, 2015, 08:27:10 AM
Beth Martin is a fraud, pure and simple.
Trump has an open record, one that exposes a lack of values, while crisscrossing party affiliations. He's either a Conservative or he is not, there is no in between, and his record proves he's a pure opportunist.
With that said, could he make a good leader? Sure, he's proven he can rally people, but those he rally's are focused on making money, not that this is a bad thing, but it leaves a trail of "Follow the Money" which exposes his lack of center outside of profit, leftist or Right, his goals have never been about country, it's always been about what's best for Trump.
Fair enough. Those are legitimate concerns to be put on the table, for his defense. Bear in mind, he is not a political brand. He does not stop and process before speaking, "How will this affect my brand," as politicians do. To real estate developers, political parties usually take on the persona of just another obstacle to be dealt with -- sometimes useful, often useless as an embarrassing rash.
Entering his Plaza, he greeted the lady tidying up the lobby. "Good morning, Dora."
"Good morning, Mr. Trump." The man with him remarked, "You just greeted a cleaning lady. What's the matter with you?" To which, Trump replied, "These are the people who made me." That does not sound like somebody with no values. People who know him say he is really a good guy, unlike Clinton or Obama.
"Pure opportunists" don't normally make it that high, especially when dealing with customers is involved.
Could he make a good leader? Well he has proven leadership. One project after another, ongoing management in cash businesses. Travels in global circles: Rio, Dubai, Singapore. Paying his own way. That's how he came to conclude that America is getting screwed. He wants to put America first. He wants to put America first. Little wonder Boehner and McConnell are getting nervous. You gotta love it!
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 29, 2015, 08:56:39 AM
That is an unfair and rather simplistic description of Trump.
No,it is an accurate and concise evaluation of the man's intellect and abilities.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 29, 2015, 08:22:56 AM
This has turned into a contest of who can come up with the biggest whopper.
Trump graduated at the top of his class at Wharton. Twelve million equity in a prospering New York construction and real estate company is nothing. Donald ran that up to considerably more, net equity.
Incidentally, the general consensus has been over the years that the Vegas Casinos have been primarily skim and launder operations, not comparable to your average, run of the mill, enterprise.
Las Vegas is constantly changing and the list below of casino sales, implosions, closures and name changes is living proof. The following information is listed in alphabetical order, not in date order.
Yeah,with a mere 12 million bucks in cash and rental income from 15,000 NYC rental apartments given to him for free at age 21 in the 1960's when a new car was $2500 and you could buy a new house for $15,000 ,it's a wonder he didn't go on welfare and food stamps. Who the hell can get by with that little,right?
Would you be willing to concede that the $200 million in cash plus the other assets he got when his father died may have helped keep his electricity on?
And when did the Trump casino get moved to Vegas?
Quote from: sneakypete on July 29, 2015, 09:54:04 AM
No,it is an accurate and concise evaluation of the man's intellect and abilities.
Bollocks. He took the 21 million and turned into a multi billion dollar organization. Where his father bought and revitalized middle income properties Trump expanded to built hotels and casinos. He didn't just take his inheritance and live off it. He used and worked to become one of the most successful businessmen in the world. He's not dumb.
Quote from: sneakypete on July 29, 2015, 10:05:16 AM
Yeah,with a mere 12 million bucks in cash and rental income from 15,000 NYC rental apartments given to him for free at age 21 in the 1960's when a new car was $2500 and you could buy a new house for $15,000 ,it's a wonder he didn't go on welfare and food stamps. Who the hell can get by with that little,right?
Would you be willing to concede that the $200 million in cash plus the other assets he got when his father died may have helped keep his electricity on?
And when did the Trump casino get moved to Vegas?
Wealth envy is not attractive.
I do not care if Trump is legit or not. He simply is not the person we should be wanting in the WH. If nothing else, a president of the U.S. needs to be a diplomat - and Trump misses that mark by an astronomical unit or two. I actually enjoy his rhetoric and the way it cause the establishment repuglicans to react. But the ability to insult - even if the insults are factually accurate - is not presidential material.
We have much better choices, with Cruz currently sitting as #1. The last thing we need is to start dividing our voice, and end up with the Benghazi Bitch in office.
Quote from: zewazir on July 29, 2015, 12:20:46 PM
I do not care if Trump is legit or not. He simply is not the person we should be wanting in the WH. If nothing else, a president of the U.S. needs to be a diplomat - and Trump misses that mark by an astronomical unit or two. I actually enjoy his rhetoric and the way it cause the establishment repuglicans to react. But the ability to insult - even if the insults are factually accurate - is not presidential material.
We have much better choices, with Cruz currently sitting as #1. The last thing we need is to start dividing our voice, and end up with the Benghazi Bitch in office.
Ditto Z!
Quote from: kroz on July 29, 2015, 12:39:58 PM
Ditto Z!
Sen. Cruz is sitting at #1
We must have alternate web connections.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-surges-to-big-lead-in-gop-presidential-race/2015/07/20/efd2e0d0-2ef8-11e5-8f36-18d1d501920d_story.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
Quote from: red_dirt on July 29, 2015, 01:13:10 PM
Sen. Cruz is sitting at #1
We must have alternate web connections.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-surges-to-big-lead-in-gop-presidential-race/2015/07/20/efd2e0d0-2ef8-11e5-8f36-18d1d501920d_story.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
Yeah, I know..... Trump is the man of the hour....
Heard this morning that he is ahead of Rubio AND Jeb in Florida!! :scared:
All I can say is Cruz is #1 on this forum!!! :laugh:
Lets throw Trump under the bus and run McCain again.
Quote from: darroll on July 29, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
Lets throw Trump under the bus and run McCain again.
:biggrin:
Cruz is #1 in my book, too. I think of him as our next President.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 29, 2015, 03:25:17 PM
:biggrin:
Cruz is #1 in my book, too. I think of him as our next President.
Good to hear that, red! :biggrin:
While we are becoming divided again............
The libs sure are not.
Quote from: darroll on July 29, 2015, 03:37:03 PM
While we are becoming divided again............
The libs sure are not.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
They don't have anything to get divided over.
QuoteShock poll: Donald Trump leads Jeb Bush 26-20 percent ... in Florida
For the first time this year, Donald Trump tops a state poll of GOP presidential candidates in Florida.
A St. Pete Polls survey released on Wednesday shows the New York businessman with 26 percent support, with Jeb Bush in second place with 20 percent.
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is in third place with 12 percent, and Marco Rubio is in fourth place with 10 percent. He's followed by Dr. Ben Carson at 5 percent, Ted Cruz and John Kasich at 4 percent, and Rand Paul at 3 percent. Sixteen percent are unsure or are supporting another candidate not named in the survey.
When it comes to the GOP Senate race, however, there is no clear front-runner at all, some 13 months before the primary election.
Among those who actually have an opinion, Pinellas County U.S. Rep. David Jolly gets 10 percent support, with Lt. Gov. Carlos Lopez-Cantera and Jacksonville area U.S. Rep. Ron DeSantis right behind him, essentially tied at 9 percent. Lopez-Cantera gets 9.2 percent support, DeSantis 8.9 percent.
Former combat veteran and businessman Todd Wilcox gets 5 percent support (5.2 percent), tying him with North Florida U.S. Rep. Jeff Miller (4.9 percent), who is not officially in the race.
SNIP
The poll of 1,902 Florida likely Republican primary voters was conducted from Saturday, July 18, 2015, to Tuesday, July 28, 2015. It was made up of a sampling of registered Republican party voters from the state of Florida, and has a 2.2 percent margin of error at a 95 percent confidence level.
http://www.saintpetersblog.com/archives/236488
Trump hasn't even been to Florida yet! :unsure:
Quote from: redbeard on July 29, 2015, 04:51:53 PM
Trump hasn't even been to Florida yet! :unsure:
The question is, what stands in the way of the Democratic Party becoming the sole authority, unchallenged, ushering in the communist authoritarian state? Another way of putting it, what stands in the way of a merger of the two parties into the single committee, healing the state by smoothing over all opposition to the common prescription? Let's always keep an eye on those questions, as we discuss the various personalities and their individual traits.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 29, 2015, 04:59:48 PM
The question is, what stands in the way of the Democratic Party becoming the sole authority, unchallenged, ushering in the communist authoritarian state? Another way of putting it, what stands in the way of a merger of the two parties into the single committee, healing the state by smoothing over all opposition to the common prescription? Let's always keep an eye on those questions, as we discuss the various personalities and their individual traits.
The major thing I take away from this poll is how bad Bush & Rubio preformed! If you can't carry your home state get the hell out!! The other surprise is Walker is beating Rubio! Walker hasn't been to Florida yet either! Granted it is only 1 local poll but as a snapshot it is interesting!
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 29, 2015, 10:32:13 AM
Wealth envy is not attractive.
Neither is the worship of wealth.
Luckily for me,I suffer from neither affliction.
Quote from: sneakypete on July 29, 2015, 06:02:35 PM
Neither is the worship of wealth.
Luckily for me,I suffer from neither affliction.
Yet you do suffer from supreme arrogance.
Quote from: redbeard on July 29, 2015, 06:01:59 PM
The major thing I take away from this poll is how bad Bush & Rubio preformed! If you can't carry your home state get the hell out!! The other surprise is Walker is beating Rubio! Walker hasn't been to Florida yet either! Granted it is only 1 local poll but as a snapshot it is interesting!
Pancho to Marco, "Don't patronize me!"
Quote from: darroll on July 29, 2015, 03:37:03 PM
While we are becoming divided again............
The libs sure are not.
Better look again, doctor... :smile:
I see Dems splitting-and-splintering over a myriad of topics everywhere this week.
Trump should put the fear of God into those bastards, fine by me. He's a long way from it, at this point. Funny, for a nation obsessed with the NFL and the NBA, we sure have trouble wrapping our heads around the team concept. That's all right. It goes with the territory.
If we look at this calmly Trump is an asset to the people we want to win.
Quote from: kit saginaw on July 29, 2015, 08:58:34 PM
Better look again, doctor... :smile:
I see Dems splitting-and-splintering over a myriad of topics everywhere this week.
Half are stocking the lifeboats and the other half rearranging the deck chairs.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 29, 2015, 09:18:09 PM
If we look at this calmly Trump is an asset to the people we want to win.
Yep, if they'd get over being so self righteous and admit their failings. Only then will they seriously be ready to campaign. The Donald is the only one at present standing ready to tell the world what it wants to hear. I don't think for a minute that he'll finish out as President. I think he is doing what is needed, trying to ignite the real conservatives or at least those calling themselves Reps. It's usually predictable how these elections play out but this time around is a first, at least it is for me.
Quote from: quiller on July 29, 2015, 09:18:17 PM
Half are stocking the lifeboats and the other half rearranging the deck chairs.
And the rescue party is arguing over the arrangement of the chairs by color, race, gender and class.
All while ashore, no one gives a damn what they do because they stole the damn boat in the first place.
There it was, sitting in dry dock in severe need of repair, Fuglisi Reid ordered the ship was ready to sail regardless of reality, ushered everyone aboard at the behest of the new Marxist despite the warnings that the ship had no Captain, just some black Iranian communist giving orders from the latrine.
There they are, lost at sea, in what is obviously the end of an era, and no one gives a damn. :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on July 30, 2015, 06:09:43 AM
And the rescue party is arguing over the arrangement of the chairs by color, race, gender and class.
All while ashore, no one gives a damn what they do because they stole the damn boat in the first place.
There it was, sitting in dry dock in severe need of repair, Fuglisi Reid ordered the ship was ready to sail regardless of reality, ushered everyone aboard at the behest of the new Marxist despite the warnings that the ship had no Captain, just some black Iranian communist giving orders from the latrine.
There they are, lost at sea, in what is obviously the end of an era, and no one gives a damn. :biggrin:
Sometimes, a political party gets precisely what it deserves.
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Quote from: red_dirt on July 29, 2015, 01:13:10 PM
Sen. Cruz is sitting at #1
We must have alternate web connections.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-surges-to-big-lead-in-gop-presidential-race/2015/07/20/efd2e0d0-2ef8-11e5-8f36-18d1d501920d_story.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
What I said was we have better choices, with Cruz being our #1. As in #1 better choice, not #1 in the polls.
I never mentioned polls once because polls aren't worth the electrons it takes to process the data. I can write a poll that would put any recognized name you care to advance as the #1 spot. It's all in how you phrase the questions and the method used to select the "random" sample of persons polled.
Interesting little factoid.....
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/07/379997-eyes-will-roll-head-hear-trump-originally-wanted-call-supporters/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=list-share
I suppose he wasn't sure which Party he would choose...!!
Trumpocrat or Trumpublican :woot:
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 29, 2015, 07:49:56 PM
Yet you do suffer from supreme arrogance.
It's not arrogance if you are right.
Ah-so, Trump may have made his first major faux pas.....
http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2015/07/30/trump-goes-mushy-incoherent-on-immigration/
Is this the beginning of the end for the Donald???
Quote from: kroz on July 30, 2015, 02:47:43 PM
Ah-so, Trump may have made his first major faux pas.....
http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2015/07/30/trump-goes-mushy-incoherent-on-immigration/
Is this the beginning of the end for the Donald???
Hey, that ought to thrill you, Kroz. All the more for Ted Cruz, eh?
Actually, I read it. It's nothing. It's Ben Shapiro attempting to flaunt his well earned power as a conservative writer to produce a hit piece on Trump for his
knee jerk Brietbart audience. Shapiro cranked Trump's words around to give Brietbart readers, tunnel vision conservatives overblown by the spotlight they have been receiving on the backs of the Tea party, just what they want to hear.
Look at that headline: Mushy, Incoherent? That's Ben Shapiro's final word, his obituary of the Trump candidacy? I don't think so.
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Donald Trump struck a blow deep into the Communist agenda of using violent agents, be they Michael Brown types, Panthers, Hispanic Drug Cartel members, illegal aliens of the kind currently running lawless and unopposed in the land, even white supremacists, when handy, to induce terror, fear, and ultimately, to produce capitulation and servitude on the part of the target population, White Christian America, the enemy.
Truth be known, Donald Trump probably knows more about beating the criminal at his own game than Washington Intel, Half the CIA, and three quarters of the FBI. You know why I say that? Because Donald Trump is the guy who has to OK the security systems, the video surveillance, coordinate the protection services of real buildings and properties that cater to the world's richest people. Oh, the numb nuts in Washington talk a good game, en route to cashing the big pension, but as the immigration flood testifies, its all smoke and mirrors. Real security, they know nothing about. Groping, they know a lot about.
This was an incredibly courageous act on Donald's part, as evidenced by two things. First, an immediate death threat by a cartel leader, who somehow happened to get out of jail, and two, the massive outcry of protest by America's sheep population, "Please Donald, don't say any more about this!" they begged as they scurried to conceal themselves from harm behind their women's petticoats.
Donald, they could get mad at us!
Give me a break on this Donald Trump obit stuff. Barack Obama and the team must have certainly laughed them selves to sleep every night this month.
Quote from: kroz on July 30, 2015, 02:47:43 PM
Ah-so, Trump may have made his first major faux pas.....
http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2015/07/30/trump-goes-mushy-incoherent-on-immigration/
Is this the beginning of the end for the Donald???
Nope. Won't matter. It's the debates where he will flame out.
If he flames out.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 30, 2015, 07:06:34 PM
Nope. Won't matter. It's the debates where he will flame out. If he flames out.
I don't see him flaming out. But I do see him getting a new wife sometime down the line. :sneaky:
Quote from: walkstall on July 30, 2015, 07:18:40 PM
I don't see him flaming out. But I do see him getting a new wife sometime down the line. :sneaky:
Do they have an expiration date???? :laugh:
Quote from: kroz on July 31, 2015, 05:02:26 AM
Do they have an expiration date???? :laugh:
It's stamped in Russian. Don't expect him to show off where.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 30, 2015, 07:06:34 PMNope. Won't matter. It's the debates where he will flame out. If he flames out.
Trump says he will be nice and respectful in debates. As far as preparing for the debates, his reply was that he is not going to prepare.
"I'm not a debater," says Trump, "I get things done."
Quote from: red_dirt on July 31, 2015, 07:05:45 AM
Trump says he will be nice and respectful in debates. As far as preparing for the debates, his reply was that he is not going to prepare.
"I'm not a debater," says Trump, "I get things done."
Smart move. Self qualifying as the underdog.
Regardless of his attempt to create"Victim Status", they'll eat him alive. :lol:
Is it any wonder why Trump is in the lead?
Ask yourself, why would the leftist media put so much effort into propping up a so called "conservative"?
Then look at who gets the number two slot. The answer is obvious.
Personally I think this will backfire on the left, in that they are fueling the ire of the base.
Gets nearly 10-times TV network coverage of all GOP candidates
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-gets-nearly-10-times-tv-network-coverage-of-all-gop-candidates/article/2569467
This confirms that the MSM is not about journalism, but about ratings.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 03, 2015, 01:52:19 PM
This confirms that the MSM is not about journalism, but about ratings.
I'm concerned about the lack of interest in Cruz. There was an article in the Herald of Sptbg., yesterday and it was speaking of how much money the super pacs were giving. Cruz and his doners made the news at least in my home newspaper but I'm not seeing that much interest generated by the polls. I don't like polls anyway.
Quote from: keyboarder on August 03, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
I'm concerned about the lack of interest in Cruz. I'm not seeing that much interest generated by the polls.
All by design. The LSM and Establishment are scared to death of a Cruz Presidency, they know what it means for their scam they've been running on the American people.
It's much like the Reagan years, except this time around, we'll have both Houses in our control, and even less RINO influence than in the past.
Quote from: keyboarder on August 03, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
I'm concerned about the lack of interest in Cruz. There was an article in the Herald of Sptbg., yesterday and it was speaking of how much money the super pacs were giving. Cruz and his doners made the news at least in my home newspaper but I'm not seeing that much interest generated by the polls. I don't like polls anyway.
That bothers me too, key!!!
The press has never seen the truth before.
Cruz will dominate the debates.
Quote from: carlb on August 03, 2015, 05:52:29 PM
Cruz will dominate the debates.
I think Trump will turn it into a circus!
Quote from: keyboarder on August 03, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
I'm concerned about the lack of interest in Cruz. There was an article in the Herald of Sptbg., yesterday and it was speaking of how much money the super pacs were giving. Cruz and his doners made the news at least in my home newspaper but I'm not seeing that much interest generated by the polls. I don't like polls anyway.
Cruz is doing fine! It is so far out to the primary only political junkies are paying any attention. The debate will probably pull more people to watch and start forming opinions but as it stands the average guy cares very little about any of these candidates. The poll numbers come from a lot of low info voters that if you asked to state one paragraph on the pros and cons of each candidate their biggest confusion would be naming half of them!
Gawker Discloses Donald Trump's Cellphone Number.
The real estate mogul and Republican presidential candidate's cellphone number was published Monday by the website Gawker.
more @ Part way down the page...
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/03/gawker-discloses-donald-trumps-cellphone-number/
Quote from: redbeard on August 03, 2015, 06:00:04 PM
Cruz is doing fine! It is so far out to the primary only political junkies are paying any attention. The debate will probably pull more people to watch and start forming opinions but as it stands the average guy cares very little about any of these candidates. The poll numbers come from a lot of low info voters that if you asked to state one paragraph on the pros and cons of each candidate their biggest confusion would be naming half of them!
Couldn't agree more.
The Trump phenomenon is akin to Obozo's rockstar image when he first hit the scene, he's saying all the Right stuff, just what people want to hear, but sadly most have never paid attention to politics till a rockstar shows up.
Yeah, Cruz will clean everyone's clock.
Quote from: Solar on August 03, 2015, 07:02:11 PM
Couldn't agree more.
The Trump phenomenon is akin to Obozo's rockstar image when he first hit the scene, he's saying all the Right stuff, just what people want to hear, but sadly most have never paid attention to politics till a rockstar shows up.
Yeah, Cruz will clean everyone's clock.
I wouldn't go that far! Cruz has some really stiff competition.
I'm really not concerned. We have our 2 top conservative candidates in very good position if and when Trump implodes! I believe if Trump is serious about running he will have to start moderating his tone and rolling back some of his statements. That will alienate him with his conservative support! Cruz and Walker are in a good position to benefit from that! The other advantage is he would start drawing more support away from the RINO's!
Trump has to draw from the middle because I don't believe he can draw enough from the right wing to win and we all know that primary voters tend to be conservative!
Quote from: redbeard on August 04, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
I wouldn't go that far! Cruz has some really stiff competition.
I'm really not concerned. We have our 2 top conservative candidates in very good position if and when Trump implodes! I believe if Trump is serious about running he will have to start moderating his tone and rolling back some of his statements. That will alienate him with his conservative support! Cruz and Walker are in a good position to benefit from that! The other advantage is he would start drawing more support away from the RINO's!
Trump has to draw from the middle because I don't believe he can draw enough from the right wing to win and we all know that primary voters tend to be conservative!
He won't make a course correction until AFTER the Primaries. That is the norm for all previous RINO candidates. They solidify their base first then promptly disappoint the base by turning to the Left. Happens every election season!
Quote from: kroz on August 04, 2015, 12:17:36 PM
He won't make a course correction until AFTER the Primaries. That is the norm for all previous RINO candidates. They solidify their base first then promptly disappoint the base by turning to the Left. Happens every election season!
Difference here is I don't think Trump has enough of the base support to win in the primary! We will have to wait and see but I think he will max out on his support soon and have to look in other directions! One of the problems of rising to fast, If you hit a ceiling and stall everyone will see it as a turn around and spin it as such. When you have momentum you have to keep it going. Not an easy task!
Quote from: redbeard on August 04, 2015, 12:28:27 PM
Difference here is I don't think Trump has enough of the base support to win in the primary! We will have to wait and see but I think he will max out on his support soon and have to look in other directions! One of the problems of rising to fast, If you hit a ceiling and stall everyone will see it as a turn around and spin it as such. When you have momentum you have to keep it going. Not an easy task!
I hope you are right.
The best way for him to lose momentum is for the media and Establishment to quit attacking him. If they would just shut up, it would go a long way!!!
Quote from: kroz on August 04, 2015, 12:42:26 PM
I hope you are right.
The best way for him to lose momentum is for the media and Establishment to quit attacking him. If they would just shut up, it would go a long way!!!
It will wear off soon and Trump will have to fight to keep and gain support!
Quote from: redbeard on August 04, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
I wouldn't go that far! Cruz has some really stiff competition.
I'm really not concerned. We have our 2 top conservative candidates in very good position if and when Trump implodes! I believe if Trump is serious about running he will have to start moderating his tone and rolling back some of his statements. That will alienate him with his conservative support! Cruz and Walker are in a good position to benefit from that! The other advantage is he would start drawing more support away from the RINO's!
Trump has to draw from the middle because I don't believe he can draw enough from the right wing to win and we all know that primary voters tend to be conservative!
There is no middle anymore, so pandering to a supposed middle would be a fools mistake.
Nah, it will come down to Cruz in the end, I have no doubt about that.
It looks like Trump, Fiorina, and Cruz are all on the same page on this issue!!
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-i-think-we-have-to-shut-down-the-government-125844886916.html
If other GOP-candidates go directly into the weeds to attack our enemies, with focus and strength... like Trump does here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3180305/Trump-launches-attack-Huma-Abedin-deviant-husband-Anthony-Weiner-claims-pair-access-Clinton-s-secret-classified-emails.html
against Huma Weiner and her jackass husband, those candidates would be pulling-in Trump-like numbers. Simple as that.
I'm fed-up with campaign-decorum right now. Slam Dems hard at every opportunity.
Quote from: keyboarder on August 03, 2015, 03:18:32 PM
I'm concerned about the lack of interest in Cruz. There was an article in the Herald of Sptbg., yesterday and it was speaking of how much money the super pacs were giving. Cruz and his doners made the news at least in my home newspaper but I'm not seeing that much interest generated by the polls. I don't like polls anyway.
Cruz is an elected representative from the state of Texas.
The same state whose voters gave up LBJ,Perot/Clinton, and the Bush Crime Family.
Voting for a politician from Texas has a lot in common with sticking your finger into a light socket to see if it's hot. Nothing good is going to come out of it.
Quote from: Montanamike on August 03, 2015, 05:56:54 PM
I think Trump will turn it into a circus!
Well,that is the only thing he does well.
If he hadn't inherited a trust fund worth millions,he would be the number 2 man on a 2 salesman used car lot.
"That ain't oil leaks under that car,boy! Thems sweat drops from all that horsepower under the hood!"
Quote from: kroz on August 04, 2015, 12:17:36 PM
He won't make a course correction until AFTER the Primaries. That is the norm for all previous RINO candidates. They solidify their base first then promptly disappoint the base by turning to the Left. Happens every election season!
Kinda reminds you of Lucy snatching the football away just as Charlie Brown kicks at it,doesn't it?
Yet Charlie,like most Republican voters,is still surprised this happens ever time.
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 03:09:22 PM
Cruz is an elected representative from the state of Texas.
The same state whose voters gave up LBJ,Perot/Clinton, and the Bush Crime Family.
Voting for a politician from Texas has a lot in common with sticking your finger into a light socket to see if it's hot. Nothing good is going to come out of it.
That one of the problems we have sneaky people like you in every state, not just Texas.
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 03:09:22 PM
Cruz is an elected representative from the state of Texas.
The same state whose voters gave up LBJ,Perot/Clinton, and the Bush Crime Family.
Voting for a politician from Texas has a lot in common with sticking your finger into a light socket to see if it's hot. Nothing good is going to come out of it.
Cruz is NOT a Representative from Texas. He is a U.S. Senator!! .... a much higher achievement!
He was an authentic TP candidate and I worked hard to get him elected. We in Texas are trying to overcome the negative politicians from our past years. This is a NEW Texas vision.
You are uninformed about Texas politics!!!!
Quote from: kroz on August 04, 2015, 03:37:49 PM
Cruz is NOT a Representative from Texas. He is a U.S. Senator!! .... a much higher achievement!
He was an authentic TP candidate and I worked hard to get him elected. We in Texas are trying to overcome the negative politicians from our past years. This is a NEW Texas vision.
You are uninformed about Texas politics!!!!
You can see by the way he posts, that he is just a drive by troll.
Quote from: walkstall on August 04, 2015, 03:42:36 PM
You can see by the way he posts, that he is just a drive by troll.
Very true, walks!! :thumbdown:
Quote from: kroz on August 04, 2015, 03:43:57 PM
Very true, walks!! :thumbdown:
He not even good at it. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: walkstall on August 04, 2015, 03:30:01 PM
That one of the problems we have sneaky people like you in every state, not just Texas.
No,the problem is Party People drones like you.
I'm betting that when JEB receives the crown,you will be one of the losers lining up to vote for him and using the excuse "It was either him or Hillary!"
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 04:18:28 PM
No,the problem is Party People drones like you.
I'm betting that when JEB receives the crown,you will be one of the losers lining up to vote for him and using the excuse "It was either him or Hillary!"
Not me, Pete!
I will NOT vote for Bush.. it is a third party or nothing.
Quote from: kroz on August 04, 2015, 03:37:49 PM
Cruz is NOT a Representative from Texas. He is a U.S. Senator!! .... a much higher achievement!
He was an authentic TP candidate and I worked hard to get him elected. We in Texas are trying to overcome the negative politicians from our past years. This is a NEW Texas vision.
You are uninformed about Texas politics!!!!
Do you not understand that a US Senator is also a political representative?
As for the rest of it,I hope you are right and I congratulate you on trying to turn that typhoid ship aside before it reaches shore again.
I wish you luck.
As for being uninformed about current Texas politics,that is true. I am very well informed about the political history of Texas candidates that were voted into office,though.
And I didn't even bother to mention that human living abortion,Ann Richards.
Quote from: walkstall on August 04, 2015, 03:42:36 PM
You can see by the way he posts, that he is just a drive by troll.
And I can see you have all the intellectual depth of a raindrop.
Quote from: kroz on August 04, 2015, 03:43:57 PM
Very true, walks!! :thumbdown:
Do you alleged guys have a secret handshake?
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 04:23:33 PM
Do you alleged guys have a secret handshake?
How did you guess??? :laugh:
Ann Richards was a super dud! She was the speaker at my son's graduation from Texas A & M and she made me sick!!! She was a REAL loser!
Quote from: walkstall on August 04, 2015, 03:42:36 PM
You can see by the way he posts, that he is just a drive by troll.
Well, hisavatar is a Ferengi. Cant get more troll like than a Ferengi
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
And I can see you have all the intellectual depth of a raindrop.
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Tt's amazing what raindrop can do!!
Quote from: carlb on August 04, 2015, 04:36:19 PM
Well, hisavatar is a Ferengi. Cant get more troll like than a Ferengi
My mistake. On my phone, it looks like a Ferengi
Quote from: carlb on August 04, 2015, 04:36:19 PM
Well, hisavatar is a Ferengi. Cant get more troll like than a Ferengi
Wrong again.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 04, 2015, 08:03:05 PM
Explain please.
I had to look up Ferengi to see what it was.
My avatar is General Staal.
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 08:07:10 PM
I had to look up Ferengi to see what it was.
My avatar is General Staal.
I have all his albums.
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 04:23:33 PM
Do you alleged guys have a secret handshake?
Yeah, it's a boot with your name on it.
So tell us troll, who is your choice, since it's pretty obvious you support no one on the list.
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 04:23:33 PM
Do you alleged guys have a secret handshake?
Yes. We call it Eric. We also have a secret walk.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 04, 2015, 08:10:41 PM
Yes. We call it Eric. We also have a secret walk.
I have been working on a new secret dance also.
Quote from: walkstall on August 04, 2015, 08:17:46 PM
I have been working on a new secret dance also.
Good. We need a secret dance. The secret walk just isn't enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wippooDL6WE
Quote from: Solar on August 04, 2015, 08:09:03 PM
Yeah, it's a boot with your name on it.
So tell us troll, who is your choice, since it's pretty obvious you support no one on the list.
i have no choice at this point,since Barry Goldwater is dead and unlikely to come back and throw his hat in the ring.
Walker seems to be the most promising,but it's still early.
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 08:23:25 PM
i have no choice at this point,since Barry Goldwater is dead and unlikely to come back and throw his hat in the ring.
Walker seems to be the most promising,but it's still early.
Walkers a RINO, don't fool yourself, and besides, how is a Canadian going to vote in an US election?
Quote from: Solar on August 04, 2015, 08:25:12 PM
Walkers a RINO, don't fool yourself, and besides, how is a Canadian going to vote in an US election?
With bacon...
Quote from: Solar on August 04, 2015, 08:25:12 PM
Walkers a RINO, don't fool yourself, and besides, how is a Canadian going to vote in an US election?
You seem to be confused.
You must be a regular here.
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 10:02:06 PM
You seem to be confused.
Once again you failed to address a post.
QuoteYou must be a regular here.
Well done stupid. You just insulted the owner of the forum. Need help removing your foot from your mouth?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 04, 2015, 10:36:58 PM
Once again you failed to address a post.
Well done stupid. You just insulted the owner of the forum. Need help removing your foot from your mouth?
Oh,MY! The horrors! Does this mean I don't get the secret decoder ring or get to learn the secret handshake?
Or even worse,does it mean I won't get to vote for JEB on election day?
WHAT WILL I DO?,....WHAT WILL I DO??????
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 10:42:50 PM
Oh,MY! The horrors! Does this mean I don't get the secret decoder ring or get to learn the secret handshake?
Or even worse,does it mean I won't get to vote for JEB on election day?
WHAT WILL I DO?,....WHAT WILL I DO??????
Perhaps you could grow up. No one here breast feeds.
The one thing Trump is doing well is pointing out the deficiencies in the policies of both parties. He is hammering the demoncraps and their failed marxist bullstuff. Simultaneously he is hammering the establishment republicans for not doing anything about those failed policies. His ratings are soaring because he is saying what a large and growing population have been acknowledging these past several years.
And the end result is of great advantage to the true conservatives out there. Because now that Trump has broached these topics in his "I don't give a ripe pig fart who is offended" style, all those other conservatives who have been saying the same things, but a lot more diplomatically, are also going to start making sense in people's minds. That includes the entirety of the TEA movement. The media may play up what ol' Donald is saying, but it resonates with John Q. Public. And when the media next tries to vilify TEA, or a TEA candidate, these same people are going to start wondering, "Wait a minute! They're saying the same things Trump is saying! And they've been saying it a lot longer!"
I seriously doubt Trump has the staying power to become the republican nominee. But he just may end up being a significant factor, along with TEA, in pushing a true conservative into that position.
He just may end up assisting TEA in gaining a few more seats in both houses of congress while he's at it.
Quote from: zewazir on August 04, 2015, 11:08:31 PM
The one thing Trump is doing well is pointing out the deficiencies in the policies of both parties. He is hammering the demoncraps and their failed marxist bullstuff. Simultaneously he is hammering the establishment republicans for not doing anything about those failed policies. His ratings are soaring because he is saying what a large and growing population have been acknowledging these past several years.
And the end result is of great advantage to the true conservatives out there. Because now that Trump has broached these topics in his "I don't give a ripe pig fart who is offended" style, all those other conservatives who have been saying the same things, but a lot more diplomatically, are also going to start making sense in people's minds. That includes the entirety of the TEA movement. The media may play up what ol' Donald is saying, but it resonates with John Q. Public. And when the media next tries to vilify TEA, or a TEA candidate, these same people are going to start wondering, "Wait a minute! They're saying the same things Trump is saying! And they've been saying it a lot longer!"
I seriously doubt Trump has the staying power to become the republican nominee. But he just may end up being a significant factor, along with TEA, in pushing a true conservative into that position.
He just may end up assisting TEA in gaining a few more seats in both houses of congress while he's at it.
I wish I said that....
Quote from: sneakypete on August 04, 2015, 10:02:06 PM
You seem to be confused.
You must be a regular here.
I have no confusion over who Walker really is. All that wonderful Legislation against the Unions wasn't what he wanted, he wanted to bargain with the leftists, capitulate to the Dims, "work together" Bull Shit, but it was Wisconsin's Conservative Legislature that held Walkers feet to the fire and said under no uncertain terms "SIGN IT!!! We're Doing What Our Constituents Demand"
Yeah, Wisconsin ran the wrong person.
Oh but he took credit for it regardless. Now tell me what spineless party member takes credit for the hard work of others?
Gee, would it be a lib, or a RINO?
Quote from: zewazir on August 04, 2015, 11:08:31 PM
The one thing Trump is doing well is pointing out the deficiencies in the policies of both parties. He is hammering the demoncraps and their failed marxist bullstuff. Simultaneously he is hammering the establishment republicans for not doing anything about those failed policies. His ratings are soaring because he is saying what a large and growing population have been acknowledging these past several years.
And the end result is of great advantage to the true conservatives out there. Because now that Trump has broached these topics in his "I don't give a ripe pig fart who is offended" style, all those other conservatives who have been saying the same things, but a lot more diplomatically, are also going to start making sense in people's minds. That includes the entirety of the TEA movement. The media may play up what ol' Donald is saying, but it resonates with John Q. Public. And when the media next tries to vilify TEA, or a TEA candidate, these same people are going to start wondering, "Wait a minute! They're saying the same things Trump is saying! And they've been saying it a lot longer!"
I seriously doubt Trump has the staying power to become the republican nominee. But he just may end up being a significant factor, along with TEA, in pushing a true conservative into that position.
He just may end up assisting TEA in gaining a few more seats in both houses of congress while he's at it.
Yep, it's like Thanksgiving. Every year mom insists on inviting her sisters nephews family, the people everyone hates, the ones always causing trouble, stealing from the neighbors, but mom insists they just need to "Feel" included, that they are just misunderstood.
But this year one of the family members was not going to have anymore of it, and in front of all the family starts saying what everyone else is thinking, he said to Hell with this family etiquette Bull Shit mom, they are destroying family harmony.
It's time they straightened their asses up, or "WE" the collective family are throwing their asses out and you'll never see them again.
The family cheered, despite the family member that spoke up is always taking advantage of everyone, bankrupt the family, embarrasses them publicly etc.
But because he is willing to speak the truth, he gets the families support, which still doesn't translate into liking the guy, just that someone was willing to tell family hierarchy. "NO MORE"!
Personally, I always hated the idiot cousin, the one with the bad comb over, tacky suits, the guy that always made the grand entrance despite the fact he disowns us the rest of the year, supported America's enemies abuses our laws for personl gain.
But hey, just like him, we'll use him till he no longer has any usefulness. It's exactly what he does after all.
Quote from: zewazir on August 04, 2015, 11:08:31 PM
The one thing Trump is doing well is pointing out the deficiencies in the policies of both parties. He is hammering the demoncraps and their failed marxist bullstuff. Simultaneously he is hammering the establishment republicans for not doing anything about those failed policies. His ratings are soaring because he is saying what a large and growing population have been acknowledging these past several years.
And the end result is of great advantage to the true conservatives out there. Because now that Trump has broached these topics in his "I don't give a ripe pig fart who is offended" style, all those other conservatives who have been saying the same things, but a lot more diplomatically, are also going to start making sense in people's minds. That includes the entirety of the TEA movement. The media may play up what ol' Donald is saying, but it resonates with John Q. Public. And when the media next tries to vilify TEA, or a TEA candidate, these same people are going to start wondering, "Wait a minute! They're saying the same things Trump is saying! And they've been saying it a lot longer!"
I seriously doubt Trump has the staying power to become the republican nominee. But he just may end up being a significant factor, along with TEA, in pushing a true conservative into that position.
He just may end up assisting TEA in gaining a few more seats in both houses of congress while he's at it.
You make some good points about the issues Trump has brought up. Without him I am not sure any of the GOP candidates would have brought them to the fore front. He runs some good interference for them. Our worst nightmare would be for Trump to go third party. I hope the GOP establishment does not panic and do something to piss Trump off. I am in agreement he will eventually flame out, but we need him.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 04, 2015, 08:10:41 PM
Yes. We call it Eric. We also have a secret walk.
Blimey, now you've torn it. Next you'll be telling him about the trapdoors in the floors. And the water slides.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 05, 2015, 05:19:39 AM
You make some good points about the issues Trump has brought up. Without him I am not sure any of the GOP candidates would have brought them to the fore front. He runs some good interference for them. Our worst nightmare would be for Trump to go third party. I hope the GOP establishment does not panic and do something to piss Trump off. I am in agreement he will eventually flame out, but we need him.
Well said, sup.
We currently have a love/hate relationship with Trump. He is carrying our water and ticking minutes off the election clock. As time passes the candidate field will narrow for various reasons. There is still plenty of time for the dynamics to change. It will be a bumpy road, but I do not see Jeb getting the nomination. He already has full name recognition and a heavy war chest but cannot stand out from the crowd. Things will get no better for him.... probably worse.
The real conservative on the stage is playing his hand right for now.
Quote from: zewazir on August 04, 2015, 11:08:31 PM
The one thing Trump is doing well is pointing out the deficiencies in the policies of both parties. He is hammering the demoncraps and their failed marxist bullstuff. Simultaneously he is hammering the establishment republicans for not doing anything about those failed policies. His ratings are soaring because he is saying what a large and growing population have been acknowledging these past several years.
And the end result is of great advantage to the true conservatives out there. Because now that Trump has broached these topics in his "I don't give a ripe pig fart who is offended" style, all those other conservatives who have been saying the same things, but a lot more diplomatically, are also going to start making sense in people's minds. That includes the entirety of the TEA movement. The media may play up what ol' Donald is saying, but it resonates with John Q. Public. And when the media next tries to vilify TEA, or a TEA candidate, these same people are going to start wondering, "Wait a minute! They're saying the same things Trump is saying! And they've been saying it a lot longer!"
I seriously doubt Trump has the staying power to become the republican nominee. But he just may end up being a significant factor, along with TEA, in pushing a true conservative into that position.
He just may end up assisting TEA in gaining a few more seats in both houses of congress while he's at it.
Excellent observation. You may just well be right.
The term "Unintended Consequences" comes to mind.
Quote from: Solar on August 05, 2015, 03:42:48 AM
I have no confusion over who Walker really is. All that wonderful Legislation against the Unions wasn't what he wanted, he wanted to bargain with the leftists, capitulate to the Dims, "work together" Bull Shit, but it was Wisconsin's Conservative Legislature that held Walkers feet to the fire and said under no uncertain terms "SIGN IT!!! We're Doing What Our Constituents Demand"
Yeah, Wisconsin ran the wrong person.
Oh but he took credit for it regardless. Now tell me what spineless party member takes credit for the hard work of others?
Gee, would it be a lib, or a RINO?
ALL of them. It's what Party People do.
You may well be right about Walker,but like I have said before,it is early days yet and a lot of things will shake out of the bag between now and the primaries.
Trump is out! I think he flopped.
Quote from: redbeard on August 06, 2015, 09:52:51 PM
Why?
Unbelievable. Can't be sure of his positions. Seemed to me that which ever way the wind blows you will find Trump. He looked like a joke tonight. That's my opinion. I guess we will see how he did in the next couple day but I think he hurt himself.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 06, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Unbelievable. Can't be sure of his positions. Seemed to me that which ever way the wind blows you will find Trump. He looked like a joke tonight. That's my opinion. I guess we will see how he did in the next couple day but I think he hurt himself.
At this point Trump is all words. Eventually he is going to have to put some meat on the bones.
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 06, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Unbelievable. Can't be sure of his positions. Seemed to me that which ever way the wind blows you will find Trump. He looked like a joke tonight. That's my opinion. I guess we will see how he did in the next couple day but I think he hurt himself.
He couldn't even give a coherent answer when asked WHEN he became a Republican.
Quote from: carlb on August 07, 2015, 04:34:28 AM
He couldn't even give a coherent answer when asked WHEN he became a Republican.
That was a GREAT question!!! I thought Trump did not shine last night.... very defensive and surly.
I did not like the question about not supporting the Party nominee. I won't agree to that either. That's because I won't support Jeb or Christie or Pataki or Graham...... :ohmy:
Trump wasn't bad. He just... wasn't that great either. He warned us he was a first time debater. It showed.
TRump was Trump.
He sounded on the defensive all night and that means he was the only one to actually debate . WHile I enjoyed his calling out of leaders as 'stupid' I thought he could have gave a better answer on the "proof" of Mexican govt 'sending illegals here....I mean it is rather obvious in a country where cartels control territory the size of califonia how corrupt the local Govt and police are to let that happen let alone 100K body count in a narco terrorist war.
As right as he may be about some things you have to articulate it better than he did.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 07, 2015, 06:03:26 AM
TRump was Trump.
He sounded on the defensive all night and that means he was the only one to actually debate . WHile I enjoyed his calling out of leaders as 'stupid' I thought he could have gave a better answer on the "proof" of Mexican govt 'sending illegals here....I mean it is rather obvious in a country where cartels control territory the size of califonia how corrupt the local Govt and police are to let that happen let alone 100K body count in a narco terrorist war. As right as he may be about some things you have to articulate it better than he did.
At first, Billy, I would have said I agreed with you on that. Upon further reflection, that FOX jerk was demanding Trump provide concrete evidence to back up his statement that illegal aliens are committing crimes in America. Think about it.
That jerk on FOX may well have been trying to trick Trump into making a compromising statement about a specific criminal, be it Kate's killer (the obvious reference) or some other accused high profile illegal. The jerks on FOX, especially Kelly, were falling over one another baiting and hoping to trap Trump. That is almost undeniable.
Donald Trump was not born yesterday. He did exactly the right thing. He recognized right away that he had stepped into a nest of vipers (Bush supporters) and he chose to remain silent on that leading question, even though everyone has read the records of violence and crime committed by Obama's illegals. The fact is, the illegals are "raisin' hell" all over the country.
I am sure Trump could have come up with a generic statistic, but he is too smart for that. Probably, FOX geniuses, Bushg dupes that they are, put their heads together and came up with that question as a trap. Then they sent that FOX jerk on an errand, one that turned out to be a fool's errand. Sorry FOX, no byte, no pun intended.
Again, think about it. This is a candidate who has been threatened by El Chapo. FOX should be ashamed of themselves, playing this game and going there. Obviously, though, FOX has no shame.
Trump has no substance. However, I did enjoy his Rosie O'Donnell quip.
Trump 1
Cruz 2
Fox 0
Quote from: red_dirt on August 07, 2015, 11:24:24 AM
At first, Billy, I would have said I agreed with you on that. Upon further reflection, that FOX jerk was demanding Trump provide concrete evidence to back up his statement that illegal aliens are committing crimes in America. Think about it. That jerk on FOX may well have been trying to trick Trump into making a compromising statement about a specific criminal, be it Kate's killer (the obvious reference) or some other accused high profile illegal. The jerks on FOX, especially Kelly, were falling over one another baiting and hoping to trap Trump. That is almost undeniable.
Donald Trump was not born yesterday. He did exactly the right thing. He recognized right away that he had stepped into a nest of vipers (Bush supporters) and he chose to remain silent on that leading question, even though everyone has read the records of violence and crime committed by Obama's illegals. The fact is, the illegals are "raisin' hell" all over the country.
I am sure Trump could have come up with a generic statistic, but he is too smart for that. Probably, FOX geniuses, Bushg dupes that they are, put their heads together and came up with that question as a trap. Then they sent that FOX jerk on an errand, one that turned out to be a fool's errand. Sorry FOX, no byte, no pun intended.
Again, think about it. This is a candidate who has been threatened by El Chapo. FOX should be ashamed of themselves, playing this game and going there. Obviously, though, FOX has no shame.
Yeah you got a good point its pretty obvious as to how mexican officials are benefitting from the cartels cash. Only an idiot would ask that question and
demand proof. That's why I say Trump missed a golden opportunity to make Wallace look even more stupid, speaking of el Chappo all he had to do was mention that saying something like "how the hell you think he got out of prison building a mile long tunnel if not with cooperation of the prison officials?"
And fox should be ashamed of that nonsense they orchestrated last night
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on August 06, 2015, 09:42:55 PM
Trump is out! I think he flopped.
I disagree. I think he gained.
I can;t find any solid evidence of it but internet rumor has it Trump WENT UP in the polls, I think Fox quoted a Georgia Poll where he was at 38% up from 34.
Of course some of that may be backlash against Fox....
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 07, 2015, 05:16:52 PM
I can;t find any solid evidence of it but internet rumor has it Trump WENT UP in the polls, I think Fox quoted a Georgia Poll where he was at 38% up from 34.
Of course some of that may be backlash against Fox....
Georgia? No it must be Harry keeps hitting the Trump button!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's not that Trump is all that popular, it's not that he can win, which I don't believe he can, it's the media frenzy designed to make a Trump candidacy appear inevitable.
Note all the positive Trump polls, also note how they are not polling just the Right when talking about primaries.
The media is propping up trump for their own nefarious reasons.
Yes, it's killing the RINO', but it's also creating an illusion that the Right backs him for President.
Here's the truth, it's an legerdemain.
"Our latest national telephone survey finds that 57% of Likely Republican Voters now think Trump is likely to be the Republican presidential nominee next year, with 25% who say it's Very Likely. That compares to 27% who felt a Trump nomination was likely two months ago when he formally announced his presidential bid, a finding that included just nine percent (9%) who said it was Very Likely."
It's not that they support him, they're falling for the hype of inevitably.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_change
Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2015, 09:23:09 AM
It's not that Trump is all that popular, it's not that he can win, which I don't believe he can, it's the media frenzy designed to make a Trump candidacy appear inevitable.
Note all the positive Trump polls, also note how they are not polling just the Right when talking about primaries.
The media is propping up trump for their own nefarious reasons.
Yes, it's killing the RINO', but it's also creating an illusion that the Right backs him for President.
Here's the truth, it's an legerdemain.
"Our latest national telephone survey finds that 57% of Likely Republican Voters now think Trump is likely to be the Republican presidential nominee next year, with 25% who say it's Very Likely. That compares to 27% who felt a Trump nomination was likely two months ago when he formally announced his presidential bid, a finding that included just nine percent (9%) who said it was Very Likely."
It's not that they support him, they're falling for the hype of inevitably.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_change
The MSM is very hard at work making him number one for a reason. They must have something down the line they will drop about him.
Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2015, 09:23:09 AM
It's not that Trump is all that popular, it's not that he can win, which I don't believe he can, it's the media frenzy designed to make a Trump candidacy appear inevitable.
Note all the positive Trump polls, also note how they are not polling just the Right when talking about primaries.
The media is propping up trump for their own nefarious reasons.
Yes, it's killing the RINO', but it's also creating an illusion that the Right backs him for President.
Here's the truth, it's an legerdemain.
"Our latest national telephone survey finds that 57% of Likely Republican Voters now think Trump is likely to be the Republican presidential nominee next year, with 25% who say it's Very Likely. That compares to 27% who felt a Trump nomination was likely two months ago when he formally announced his presidential bid, a finding that included just nine percent (9%) who said it was Very Likely."
It's not that they support him, they're falling for the hype of inevitably.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_change
Both Parties have long used the "inevitability" hype to drive the political process. For the life of me I do not understand WHY the voters fall for it EVERY election cycle. :confused:
I still think we can break that cycle. The weird thing is that the GOPe want Jeb, the LIV want Trump, and the grassroots conservatives still want Cruz. My question is HOW LONG the GOPe will continue to support Jeb? His numbers are not good and the base has revolted against him. They can either get behind a REAL conservative candidate or cede defeat to Trump. Which do they fear most?
It's gonna be huge!: Trump relocates event to Alabama football stadium as expected attendance balloons to 30,000 people or more
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205320/It-s-gonna-huge-Trump-relocates-event-Alabama-football-stadium-expected-attendance-balloons-30-000-people-more.html#ixzz3jTBkpmNV
Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2015, 09:23:09 AM
It's not that Trump is all that popular, it's not that he can win, which I don't believe he can, it's the media frenzy designed to make a Trump candidacy appear inevitable.
Note all the positive Trump polls, also note how they are not polling just the Right when talking about primaries.
The media is propping up trump for their own nefarious reasons.
Yes, it's killing the RINO', but it's also creating an illusion that the Right backs him for President.
Here's the truth, it's an legerdemain.
"Our latest national telephone survey finds that 57% of Likely Republican Voters now think Trump is likely to be the Republican presidential nominee next year, with 25% who say it's Very Likely. That compares to 27% who felt a Trump nomination was likely two months ago when he formally announced his presidential bid, a finding that included just nine percent (9%) who said it was Very Likely."
It's not that they support him, they're falling for the hype of inevitably.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_change
Indeed. Just the other day, Limbaugh in breaking down a variety of polls, illustrated there is quite a discrepancy between the party base and moderate voters, the latter representing a majority of his Republican voter support. So he doesnt carry the base as of right now, and wont as long as a Ted Cruz can hang with him till the Iowa primary next Feb. Another thing to consider is confusion between Trump's name recognition and actual popular support, which will hurt him over the course of the process, because h cant get any better well known. His approval numbers, due to this, were pretty much static from the get go. Trump's only real option, which has been heavily in practice already, is in attempting via attack mode to suppress the other nominees approval.
Quote from: kroz on August 21, 2015, 09:54:04 AM
Both Parties have long used the "inevitability" hype to drive the political process. For the life of me I do not understand WHY the voters fall for it EVERY election cycle. :confused:
I still think we can break that cycle. The weird thing is that the GOPe want Jeb, the LIV want Trump, and the grassroots conservatives still want Cruz. My question is HOW LONG the GOPe will continue to support Jeb? His numbers are not good and the base has revolted against him. They can either get behind a REAL conservative candidate or cede defeat to Trump. Which do they fear most?
EXACTLY!!!! The GOPe depend on this sleight of hand, manipulating to base into believing that if we don't support their guy, we lose to the left.
Well that crap no longer flies, the Marxists are not a threat any longer, so their is no reason to settle for an Establishment Troll.
Quote from: Ulsterking on August 21, 2015, 10:54:52 AM
Indeed. Just the other day, Limbaugh in breaking down a variety of polls, illustrated there is quite a discrepancy between the party base and moderate voters, the latter representing a majority of his Republican voter support. So he doesnt carry the base as of right now, and wont as long as a Ted Cruz can hang with him till the Iowa primary next Feb. Another thing to consider is confusion between Trump's name recognition and actual popular support, which will hurt him over the course of the process, because h cant get any better well known. His approval numbers, due to this, were pretty much static from the get go. Trump's only real option, which has been heavily in practice already, is in attempting via attack mode to suppress the other nominees approval.
Nailed it! Trump tops out around 30% at best, while 65% detest the Leftist in RINO clothing.
Quote from: walkstall on August 21, 2015, 09:46:52 AM
The MSM is very hard at work making him number one for a reason. They must have something down the line they will drop about him.
If I was a betting man, I would give great odds that the msm has several somethings they can drop on trump. :lol: :lol:
This is where you go astray. The MSM didn't make him. The People did. You can accept that or reject it, but the politicians better figure out his appeal -- fast!
Quote from: mrclose on August 22, 2015, 01:18:11 PM
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi60.tinypic.com%2Fs2h860.jpg&hash=f931a512cd4948fcbf48c2a20b7717520a08bac7)
Looks like Angela Lansbury...
Murder, She Wiped
Quote from: kit saginaw on August 22, 2015, 05:33:07 PM
Looks like Angela Lansbury... Murder, She Wiped
Your right, she does look like Lansbury in that hair.
Quote from: s3779m on August 22, 2015, 02:52:41 PM
If I was a betting man, I would give great odds that the msm has several somethings they can drop on trump. :lol: :lol:
If not for the LSM avoiding asking him all the tough questions, or vetting and holding him to his hypocrisy, there wouldn't be a Trump in the race.
So yes, the LSM is not only responsible, but they're keeping him front page above the fold.
Quote from: Solar on August 22, 2015, 06:34:40 PM
If not for the LSM avoiding asking him all the tough questions, or vetting and holding him to his hypocrisy, there wouldn't be a Trump in the race.
So yes, the LSM is not only responsible, but they're keeping him front page above the fold.
I think they are trying to give him enough rope to hang himself but that isn't working! Trump has given 66 interviews and he talks about the issues! Every time they get a gotcha like the anchor baby thing , he is proven correct! It's like the Teflon Don! nothing sticks!
Cruz is doing well building on his base. His policy statements are not far from Trumps. If or when the Donald implodes Cruz may be the main benefactor.
Quote from: redbeard on August 22, 2015, 06:51:40 PM
I think they are trying to give him enough rope to hang himself but that isn't working! Trump has given 66 interviews and he talks about the issues! Every time they get a gotcha like the anchor baby thing , he is proven correct! It's like the Teflon Don! nothing sticks!
Cruz is doing well building on his base. His policy statements are not far from Trumps. If or when the Donald implodes Cruz may be the main benefactor.
He's stuck at 30% approval and 50%+ disapproval. He has no where to go but down.
Quote from: Solar on August 22, 2015, 07:13:18 PM
He's stuck at 30% approval and 50%+ disapproval. He has no where to go but down.
Quote
Friday, August 21, 2015
Billionaire businessman Donald Trump has captured the public's attention for better or worse, and his bid for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016, once seen as a pipe dream, is now a topic of serious discussion. So for the near future at least, Rasmussen Reports intends to track Trump's race for the White House in a weekly Friday feature we're calling Trump Change.
Our latest national telephone survey finds that 57% of Likely Republican Voters now think Trump is likely to be the Republican presidential nominee next year, with 25% who say it's Very Likely. That compares to 27% who felt a Trump nomination was likely two months ago when he formally announced his presidential bid, a finding that included just nine percent (9%) who said it was Very Likely
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/trump_change
Can't find where you got that unfavorability rating from but it looks old.
Quote from: carlb on August 22, 2015, 05:22:22 PM
This is where you go astray. The MSM didn't make him. The People did. You can accept that or reject it, but the politicians better figure out his appeal -- fast!
Never claimed the msm "made him". I guess lots of us "go astray".
Quote from: s3779m on August 23, 2015, 01:08:48 AM
Never claimed the msm "made him". I guess lots of us "go astray".
You're right, although I wonder why you believe I was addressing you. My statement was addressing a common theme about Trump. Guess you went astray after all in your assumption.
I went astray once. How I ended up in the Vatican dressed like a French accountant is still a mystery. I still get Christmas cards from the pope though.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 23, 2015, 01:20:13 AM
I went astray once. How I ended up in the Vatican dressed like a French accountant is still a mystery. I still get Christmas cards from the pope though.
:lol:
Quote from: Solar on August 22, 2015, 06:34:40 PM
If not for the LSM avoiding asking him all the tough questions, or vetting and holding him to his hypocrisy, there wouldn't be a Trump in the race.
So yes, the LSM is not only responsible, but they're keeping him front page above the fold.
The MSM is keeping Trump in the headlines just like they did with McCain and Romney. However, this time it will not help Trump get the nomination. It is really helping us because Trump is hurting RINO's and not conservatives. This is fine as Trump will begin to fade when the votes are counted.
Quote from: redbeard on August 22, 2015, 07:50:29 PM
Can't find where you got that unfavorability rating from but it looks old.
That poll says absolutely nothing beyond perception.
They weren't polled as to whom "they preferred", rather they were asked who they "Perceived" would be selected.
With all the media hype over Trump, the LSM is doing the exact same thing the Establishment has done to the Right for decades, given people the sense of an inevitably for their chosen RINO.
It's an illusion that Trump has a built in inevitably factor, which he does not, but what he does have is a gullible public that believes headlines.
That was the purpose behind your link, to expose how the LSM was manipulating the public.
Here' what your link states.
"Our latest national telephone survey finds that 57% of Likely Republican Voters now think Trump is likely to be the Republican presidential nominee next year, with 25% who say it's Very Likely. That compares to 27% who felt a Trump nomination was likely two months ago when he formally announced his presidential bid, a finding that included just nine percent (9%) who said it was Very Likely."Here's the entire poll.
1* How likely is it that Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee for president in 2016?http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/questions/pt_survey_questions/august_2015/questions_trump_change_august_19_20_2015
Thanks for posting this, it proves what I've been saying for decades, that the voters are manipulated in to
electing the candidate they're told to, by making them believe they have no other option, and that's exactly what's going on here with Trump, only this time it's the left out maneuvering the GOP, which in itself is rather humorous, because that leaves the base to select a true Conservative and leave both Marxist party's out in the cold for playing us. :thumbsup:
Quote from: mrclose on August 23, 2015, 01:34:20 PM
:lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/donald-trump-warrior-male-extraordinaire/#tbvdt1xeOxFGIKTB.99
I think I'm going to puke.
Quote from: s3779m on August 23, 2015, 01:08:48 AM
Never claimed the msm "made him". I guess lots of us "go astray".
I claimed Trump is a media creation, and I stand by that claim. :biggrin:
Quote from: s3779m on August 23, 2015, 02:11:45 PM
well, my assumption came from the fact you were addressing my post. Guess i went astray when you went astray and used the quote button which lead me astray thinking you were addressing me (since it was my quote) which i guess you were not since you wrote what i quoted when someone went astray........ oh hell forget it.
I did? I didn't quote you. Because I post a thought after you does not mean I'm responding to you. You're just not that important. You're not Trump after all :biggrin:
Quote15. "Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest–and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure, it's not your fault."
Good Allah I love that!
Quote from: Solar on August 23, 2015, 02:14:30 PM
I claimed Trump is a media creation, and I stand by that claim. :biggrin:
No argument here. At first I thought it was all about rating, then i thought it was to keep hillery out of the news, now I lean towards their baiting him into saying something to hurt any true conservative. I have to admit he has been entertaining and keeping him on has not hurt their industry.
Quote from: mrclose on August 23, 2015, 02:20:31 PM
Without Trump in the race, Jeb Bush will easily win nomination. Only Trump can stop Bush. Cruz can not stop Bush.
Is Trump perfect? In many ways yes and many ways no.
What is good about Trump is that he can tackle the issue of illegals and 400,000 anchor babies EVERY YEAR, BETTER THAN ANY OTHER CANDIDATE.
If those issues are not resolved quickly, there will be no country left, and constitution will become a meaningless piece of paper.
Situation is THAT serious.
Ha, I disagree with that big-time. It would be more of a battle, since he'd have to spend time and money going after the other guys, but Cruz is just too smooth.
Quote from: carlb on August 23, 2015, 02:17:13 PM
I did? I didn't quote you. Because I post a thought after you does not mean I'm responding to you. You're just not that important. You're not Trump after all :biggrin:
Good Allah I love that!
I feel really silly now.
Quote from: mrclose on August 23, 2015, 02:20:31 PM
Without Trump in the race, Jeb Bush will easily win nomination. Only Trump can stop Bush. Cruz can not stop Bush.
Is Trump perfect? In many ways yes and many ways no.
What is good about Trump is that he can tackle the issue of illegals and 400,000 anchor babies EVERY YEAR, BETTER THAN ANY OTHER CANDIDATE.
If those issues are not resolved quickly, there will be no country left, and constitution will become a meaningless piece of paper.
Situation is THAT serious.
Oh Bull Shit! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
DT right about immigrants...
Quote from: mrclose on August 23, 2015, 02:58:27 PM
Actually ... no.
Bush would have the media and the GOPe as his personal army!
There would be nothing that Cruz could do to counteract that!
Trump HAS kept bush from breaking loose from the pack and given Cruz time to sell his message! I still think Trump will top out soon and leave the conservatives in a strong position!
Quote from: mrclose on August 23, 2015, 02:58:27 PM
Actually ... no.
Bush would have the media and the GOPe as his personal army!
There would be nothing that Cruz could do to counteract that!
No way. On fundraising, he's all SuperPAC and no support. Cruz is beating him in grass roots fund raising (last time I checked). He's going to blow through that, and will have to start raising money from China like Hussein did in 2012.
On support, we're tired with Dole, GH, McCain, and Romney. The country is more united than ever for a real conservative, and 2010 and 2014 mid-terms showed that. Also, remember, Hussein in 2008 was a lot of anti-Bush momentum. Jeb is anchored by his last name, not helped (hence, his logo). Plus, a lot of his Dad's people are old and dying off. Also, as we've been seeing the past few elections, the conservative dollar gets FAR more mileage than the GOP-backed dollar. So, I think Cruz would trounce Jeb -- even more-so with Trump.
Quote from: mrclose on August 23, 2015, 05:16:17 PM
No idea who you are talking about here?
Oh, I might have mistyped... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Trump isn't taking money from anyone.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/250655-trump-starts-online-fundraising-drive
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He has uh .. 10 BILLION dollars and has said .. he will spend (from his own war chest) what it takes.
Yeah, I mean Jeb would have to raise from China.
Quote from: mrclose on August 23, 2015, 05:16:17 PM
No idea who you are talking about here?
Trump isn't taking money from anyone.
He has uh .. 10 BILLION dollars and has said .. he will spend (from his own war chest) what it takes.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/trump-funding-presidential-campaign-without-donors/
Trump starts online fundraising drive.
"Stand with me and send a powerful message to the establishment by supporting my campaign."
Trust me Trump does not have 10 BILLION dollars
in cash for his war chest.
Quote from: walkstall on August 23, 2015, 06:49:15 PM
Trump starts online fundraising drive.
"Stand with me and send a powerful message to the establishment by supporting my campaign."
Trust me Trump does not have 10 BILLION dollars in cash for his war chest.
All donations he receives will have to be reported! He is not doing big fund raisers or forming a pack (yet)! I think he is accepting donation from individuals that want to donate!
This is a very smart move because if he was to make it to the general it would help him deflect charges that he is buying the presidency and would show his "movement" as grass roots do to individual donors! If memory serves I believe a few weeks ago they said his donations from individuals was a little over 1 million dollars! not bad considering that is close to what he has claimed to have spent so far!
Quote from: walkstall on August 23, 2015, 06:49:15 PM
Trump starts online fundraising drive.
"Stand with me and send a powerful message to the establishment by supporting my campaign."
Trust me Trump does not have 10 BILLION dollars in cash for his war chest.
Trust me Trump does have the resources to fund his campaign if he wishes!
Quote from: redbeard on August 23, 2015, 07:11:39 PM
Trust me Trump does have the resources to fund his campaign if he wishes!
I did not say he did not. I said he did not have 10 BILLION dollars in cash for his war chest. I don't even think he has 1 billion in cash.
Quote from: walkstall on August 23, 2015, 07:27:11 PM
I did not say he did not. I said he did not have 10 BILLION dollars in cash for his war chest. I don't even think he has 1 billion in cash.
I'll bet he can leverage that much with out much effort!
Quote from: redbeard on August 23, 2015, 07:38:00 PM
I'll bet he can leverage that much with out much effort!
Not a good tone for him to set ;-)
Quote from: redbeard on August 23, 2015, 07:38:00 PM
I'll bet he can leverage that much with out much effort!
I am sure he can also, given a day or two. :lol:
Quote from: taxed on August 23, 2015, 07:38:43 PM
Not a good tone for him to set ;-)
He is taking donations now! Which in the long term is a smart thing!
Quote from: redbeard on August 23, 2015, 07:52:51 PM
He is taking donations now! Which in the long term is a smart thing!
Not when you're bragging about your wealth and saying you won't take donations.
Quote from: taxed on August 23, 2015, 08:02:39 PM
Not when you're bragging about your wealth and saying you won't take donations.
If he was to win and ran in the general small donations from average people will help him deflect the charge of him buying the election with his billions! I don't believe he has done any fund raisers or advertised for his on line donations he is just excepting small donations offered! No pack money! His campaign is something I have never seen before! :popcorn: :popcorn:
Quote from: mrclose on August 23, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
I have in my possession .. "Tens of Dollars" and I'm gonna give him some! :thumbsup:
I like it!!!
Things about Trump's speech in Mobile...
He had a sitting Senator, Jeff Sessions (usually ranked among the top-10 most conservative) join him onstage, wearing a Make America Great Again ball-cap...
Trump all but declared that Carl Ichan will be in a Cabinet-level position... and that Ichan, who'd have to put his billions into a blind-trust, agreed.
http://www.forbes.com/profile/carl-icahn/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2015/08/14/carl-icahn-can-tell-you-if-donald-trump-will-be-president-or-not/
Trump actually worked-in a narrative that had Southerners vociferously booing NASCAR...
Lastly, Trump said he's boycotting Oreo-cookies forever. I've already been doing that.
As a Cruz-supporter, these are the kinds of things I'm keeping an eye on. The ability to weave dynamics. It's too bad that the RNC gave the next debate to CNN. They should strictly stay on FOX, where Cruz can have some punching-space against the frontrunning billionaire. It won't happen on CNN.
And of course, one of my friends is already swooning dreamily about having Ivanka Trump as First Daughter.
Quote from: redbeard on August 23, 2015, 03:30:09 PM
Trump HAS kept bush from breaking loose from the pack and given Cruz time to sell his message! I still think Trump will top out soon and leave the conservatives in a strong position!
I am beginning to suspect you are right about this.
And "the conservatives" do not and will NOT include JEB Bush.
QuotePoll: Trump Reigns Over Graham With S. Carolina Voters
Donald Trump is leading in South Carolina by a wide margin, including coming in several percentage points ahead of longtime Sen. Lindsey Graham in his own state, a new Monmouth University poll shows.
Trump netted 30 percent of the 453 likely South Carolina voters polled, with Ben Carson, his closest challenger for the GOP presidential nomination, receiving 15 percent.
Graham, in comparison, received just 4 percent of the sample, which carried a margin of error of plus or minus 4.6 percent.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/donald-trump-lindsey-graham-south-carolina-poll/2015/08/25/id/671795/#ixzz3jr9eOhcv
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Like him or not Trump is killing Graham in South Carolina!
Quote from: redbeard on August 25, 2015, 12:25:07 PM
Like him or not Trump is killing Graham in South Carolina!
With or without Trump Graham would be lucky to finish third in SC. The only reason he has been reelected is that he has been fortunate not to have a strong opponents in primaries. Then, the good folks of SC will not elect a democrat. This time the voters have a chance to reflect their true feelings about Graham.
QuoteRick Perry adviser joins Donald Trump campaign
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Sam Clovis, the prominent conservative Iowa operative who departed Rick Perry's campaign this week, is heading to Donald Trump's camp to serve as his national co-chairman and policy adviser.
"I had an opportunity to get to know Mr. Trump over the past several months," Clovis said in an interview. "I have some close friends working on the campaign. It's a great opportunity for me to effect change in Washington, and I think Mr. Trump is exactly the person to do that."
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Clovis' departure from Perry's camp comes as the former Texas governor's campaign has struggled to pay staff. Perry has sought to stand out in the GOP field by being one of the party's most vocal critics of Trump, but Clovis said those comments don't represent his views.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/rick-perry-adviser-joins-donald-trump-2016-campaign-121742.html
:popcorn: :popcorn:
The Verdict Is In: Trump's Hair Is Real
Donald Trump blasted The New York Times for accusing him of wearing a toupee at an event in South Carolina Thursday, and had a member of the crowd come up on stage and inspect his hair.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/27/the-verdict-is-in-trumps-hair-is-real-video/#ixzz3k2nE7VLd
The media just can't help it! everything he does gets attention!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: redbeard on August 27, 2015, 12:36:03 PM
The Verdict Is In: Trump's Hair Is Real
Donald Trump blasted The New York Times for accusing him of wearing a toupee at an event in South Carolina Thursday, and had a member of the crowd come up on stage and inspect his hair.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/27/the-verdict-is-in-trumps-hair-is-real-video/#ixzz3k2nE7VLd
The media just can't help it! everything he does gets attention!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
He is a great marketer and understands free advertising is priceless.
Quote from: redbeard on August 25, 2015, 12:25:07 PM
Like him or not Trump is killing Graham in South Carolina!
Good for him! Somebody needed to do that.
Lady Lindsey is an oxygen thief.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 27, 2015, 12:54:51 PM
He is a great marketer and understands free advertising is priceless.
Exactly. It wouldn't surprise me at all to discover he paid the reporter to write that.
Quote from: sneakypete on August 27, 2015, 01:39:09 PM
Exactly. It wouldn't surprise me at all to discover he paid the reporter to write that.
What and have the reporter have something to hold over his head?
Yeah, Trump'll sign The Pledge in a couple hours, not to go 3rd Party.
Either way, Priebus is looking like a fastidious dummy by insisting on a pledge. Trump would've ran on either Party's ticket in '04, '08, or '12 if he was ego-driven to run for President in the first place.
Where's Bush's pledge, not to speak in-Spanish on the campaign-trail? Speaking bilingual isn't ego-driven?
Quote from: kit saginaw on September 03, 2015, 08:38:17 AM
Yeah, Trump'll sign The Pledge in a couple hours, not to go 3rd Party.
Either way, Priebus is looking like a fastidious dummy by insisting on a pledge. Trump would've ran on either Party's ticket in '04, '08, or '12 if he was ego-driven to run for President in the first place.
Where's Bush's pledge, not to speak in-Spanish on the campaign-trail? Speaking bilingual isn't ego-driven?
I fully support this idiot doing himself in this way. He couldn't be more out of touch with the base. It'll take a lot of ILLEGALS and a lot of fraud to make up for the AMERICAN voters he's driving away. Good Allah, he's too damn stupid to see what's working. Good riddance Jeb!
Quote from: carlb on September 03, 2015, 09:19:23 AM
I fully support this idiot doing himself in this way. He couldn't be more out of touch with the base. It'll take a lot of ILLEGALS and a lot of fraud to make up for the AMERICAN voters he's driving away. Good Allah, he's too damn stupid to see what's working. Good riddance Jeb!
You've lost me on this post! Who are you referring to? Jeb? I don't think many illegals vote republican even for jeb who speaks Spanish!
Quote from: redbeard on September 03, 2015, 09:29:16 AM
You've lost me on this post! Who are you referring to? Jeb? I don't think many illegals vote republican even for jeb who speaks Spanish!
Yes to all. That's why he's too damn stupid to be in this race.
I listened to Rump's presser and I see why he is appealing. He is like no other politician in that answers all questions and answers them honestly. This is refreshing. His pitch on not taking money strikes a cord with voters. I still don't believe he will last, but I do believe he helps the GOP.
QuoteDonald Trump announced Thursday he has signed a GOP pledge not to run as an independent in 2016, after a personal appeal from the Republican Party chairman.
"Loyalty" to the crime cartel known as the Republican party?! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/03/rnc-presses-trump-to-pledge-no-independent-2016-run/
Quote from: MACMan on September 03, 2015, 12:11:36 PM
"Loyalty" to the crime cartel known as the Republican party?! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/03/rnc-presses-trump-to-pledge-no-independent-2016-run/
Cruz agreed. Why hold trump to a higher standard? BTW, it just means this is the Party whose nomination he seeks. It doesn't mean he supports the Rep Establishment any more than it means that for Cruz. I think it's best.
I think it boiled down to meeting the requirements of some States to be on their ballot. Some States require this pledge.
He had to do it....... so he made the most of it....... dramatic drum rolls and wall to wall press!!! He got a lot of "air" time for his dramatization.
Quote from: MACMan on September 03, 2015, 12:11:36 PM
"Loyalty" to the crime cartel known as the Republican party?! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/03/rnc-presses-trump-to-pledge-no-independent-2016-run/
Yeah and so what if he makes that pledge...every election we see these politicians make promises they don't keep.
That's how the RNC got control of both the House of Representatives and Senate. They made promises to the American people, that once they'd gotten the votes, never followed through on.
Quote from: MACMan on September 03, 2015, 12:11:36 PM
"Loyalty" to the crime cartel known as the Republican party?! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/03/rnc-presses-trump-to-pledge-no-independent-2016-run/
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Now that's funny, and sadly true.
I think this was an important move and solidified my support of Trump. Before this I feared another Ross Perot incident. Now let the best man or woman win the Republican nomination. In 2010 we secured the House to no avail, in 2014 both the House and Senate to no avail. I am sick of lying politicians and nominees from Washington or with close associations with DC and I believe most potential Republican nominees are in that boat, otherwise why is Trump, Carson and Fiorini so high in the polls which shows most Americans agree...I want a LEADER that will appoint great executives and be forceful as only a business person can be. I love Carson but he is not a business person which leaves Trump and Carly...POTUS and VP :thumbsup:
For those worried about Trump running his mouth and losing...everytime he is politically INCORRECT, his numbers go up. He does not vacillate or back down from his indicated plans when elected...Romney did not lose because he was too rich, he lost because he ran such a mealy race. Trump never backs down.
Signed under duress, by intimidation. That will never hold up.
Whoever becomes the Presidential nominee becomes the ranking member of that party. Should NY also have a Senate nominee, just sayin, then that person would become 2nd highest in that state, say NY. Same Texas, CA, MD, whoever winds up with it.
This means the GOP biggies can push Trump all they want. In the event he should start winning some primaries, they will have second thoughts, though probably not enough to overcome the native stupidity of the average politician.
Quote from: fraggle on September 03, 2015, 02:17:02 PM
He does not vacillate or back down from his indicated plans when elected...Romney did not lose because he was too rich, he lost because he ran such a mealy race. Trump never backs down.
Trump has changed his mind on so many things it blows my mind!!!
The last was when he vowed not to sign the pledge!!! :ohmy:
Quote from: fraggle on September 03, 2015, 02:17:02 PM
I think this was an important move and solidified my support of Trump. Before this I feared another Ross Perot incident. Now let the best man or woman win the Republican nomination. In 2010 we secured the House to no avail, in 2014 both the House and Senate to no avail. I am sick of lying politicians and nominees from Washington or with close associations with DC and I believe most potential Republican nominees are in that boat, otherwise why is Trump, Carson and Fiorini so high in the polls which shows most Americans agree...I want a LEADER that will appoint great executives and be forceful as only a business person can be. I love Carson but he is not a business person which leaves Trump and Carly...POTUS and VP :thumbsup:
For those worried about Trump running his mouth and losing...everytime he is politically INCORRECT, his numbers go up. He does not vacillate or back down from his indicated plans when elected...Romney did not lose because he was too rich, he lost because he ran such a mealy race. Trump never backs down.
Trump will find a way to end his campaign before the first of the year! By then he will have totally destroyed the RINO's he hates( Bush, Graham and Crusty) and be in the position to throw major support to someone he likes. I would bet Cruz!
Think about it! His negatives with Hispanics are about 82% but he isn't worried? If he could transfer his supporters to the Cruz camp that negative rating wouldn't mean squat Ted could reverse it!
Quote from: redbeard on September 03, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
Trump will find a way to end his campaign before the first of the year! By then he will have totally destroyed the RINO's he hates( Bush, Graham and Crusty) and be in the position to throw major support to someone he likes. I would bet Cruz!
Think about it! His negatives with Hispanics are about 82% but he isn't worried? If he could transfer his supporters to the Cruz camp that negative rating wouldn't mean squat Ted could reverse it!
I just heard that 34% of hispanics support Trump's candidacy. That doesn't square with your 82% negativity with hispanics.
Quote from: kroz on September 03, 2015, 02:46:20 PM
I just heard that 34% of hispanics support Trump's candidacy. That doesn't square with your 82% negativity with hispanics.
Latest ABC poll!
QuoteTrump is much farther under water than Clinton, rated favorably by 37 percent of Americans and unfavorably by 59 percent. That reflects a slight 4-point rise in favorability since mid-July, entirely among whites, +6 points. Nonwhites see Trump negatively by a vast 17-79 percent, unchanged among Hispanics and more negative among blacks, by 16 points, since midsummer.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-water-trump-polarization-grows-poll/story?id=33461702
May bad 79%
Quote from: redbeard on September 03, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
Latest ABC poll!
hhmm... okay. My info was from FOX News.
Wondering if there was some kind of agreement struck behind closed doors.
Trump: "Screw your loyalty BS - you're not supporting ME!"
GOPe: "We can keep you off the ballots, make life difficult, Bush will bloody you, he's got a wad of cash."
Trump: "Why is it so hard for you knuckleheads to see I'm your only hope of winning the WH? You bet on a sissy, hen-pecked, Bush that prefers Spanish over English and the base is with ME!"
GOPe: "SHUSH already! Ok, ok, if you keep that up, and the base finds out - OMG! He might go up another 5 points in the pols!"
Trump: "I will be totally pledging my allegiance to the Republican Party and to the CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES for which it stands." (meaning Ted Cruz... Not the RINOs)
GOPe whispering among themselves: "We got him right where we want him..."
Trump thinking: "I got them right where I want them... too bad for them, they didn't read my book!"
Quote from: redbeard on September 03, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
Trump will find a way to end his campaign before the first of the year! By then he will have totally destroyed the RINO's he hates( Bush, Graham and Crusty) and be in the position to throw major support to someone he likes. I would bet Cruz!
Think about it! His negatives with Hispanics are about 82% but he isn't worried? If he could transfer his supporters to the Cruz camp that negative rating wouldn't mean squat Ted could reverse it!
Not gonna happen. He's in it to win it. If you do not understand that, you don't understand human nature.
Everybody's got their "idea baby." Every body wants to be the smartest guy in the room. Sometimes it's best just to sit back and enjoy the show.
Quote from: kroz on September 03, 2015, 02:46:20 PM
I just heard that 34% of hispanics support Trump's candidacy. That doesn't square with your 82% negativity with hispanics.
Because the term Hispanic is a lie. Now if they were to be honest and narrow the field to "South Americans", South of the US border then that 82% makes total sense. :wink:
Quote from: carlb on September 03, 2015, 03:47:05 PM
Not gonna happen. He's in it to win it. If you do not understand that, you don't understand human nature.
Everybody's got their "idea baby." Every body wants to be the smartest guy in the room. Sometimes it's best just to sit back and enjoy the show.
I can't get past the government accountability act 1975! by law Trump would have to put his assets into a blind trust if elected president. I don't see him doing that but it is a requirement by law! I think he has some real objectives in this election and going all the way I'm not convinced of. (YET)
Quote from: carlb on September 03, 2015, 03:47:05 PM
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Everybody's got their "idea baby." Every body wants to be the smartest guy in the room. Sometimes it's best just to sit back and enjoy the show.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: White Popcorn is tastes better than yellow, although it doesn't pop as big. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: We put butter and Parmesan cheese on ours, the Russians like to put SUGAR on theirs. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: We buy 50lb bags of popcorn, and have a commercial popper in the kitchen/dining area. :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Has anyone else noticed the sudden interest in politics? This is GREAT! People that didn't give a rat's behind, are actually talking about the political arena - thank you Donald Trump!!! and we got sooooo...... much time before the primaries, people are actually getting educated (a little bit) on the candidates! :popcorn: :popcorn: psst! pass that bowl over here....! :popcorn: :popcorn: The more they learn about the candidates, the more Ted Cruz stands out.
Quote from: redbeard on September 03, 2015, 04:08:27 PM
I can't get past the government accountability act 1975!
by law Trump would have to put his assets into a blind trust if elected president.
I don't see him doing that but it is a requirement by law!
I think he has some real objectives in this election
and going all the way I'm not convinced of. (YET)
Did Nelson Rockefeller put his assets in a blind trust
when he was made Vice President?
I find where there was a bill like you mention in 1975 but I cannot find that it was ever enacted. Do you have a link to what you were reading please?
Quote from: Boudica on September 03, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
I find where there was a bill like you mention in 1975 but I cannot find that it was ever enacted. Do you have a link to what you were reading please?
Please use the quote function so we know who your asking what with out going back.
Thanks walks.
Quote from: Boudica on September 03, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
I find where there was a bill like you mention in 1975 but I cannot find that it was ever enacted. Do you have a link to what you were reading please?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_in_Government_Act
Sorry it was 1978!
Ethics in Government Act
Quote from: redbeard on September 04, 2015, 08:44:03 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_in_Government_Act
Sorry it was 1978!
Ethics in Government Act
I found the legislation, but all I could find was stuff about disclosure, nothing about a trust. I did find lots of people that say he will need to put it in trust and I believe I heard him mention that his kids would take over the business. I don't think he will have a problem with that. He said his kids are perfectly capable and I reckon that is so.
Did anyone notice Trump and Cruz, along with Palin were at the anti Iran deal rally today? This is all good for Cruz. He clearly has a strategy to be the recipient o The establishment has to be pulling their hair out over Trump's staying power.f Trump supporters when Trump gets out. It never hurts to be around Palin to solidify the conservative support.
http://www.ajc.com/gallery/news/photos-trump-cruz-palin-rally-against-iran-deal/gCWs3/#8128372
Some interesting photos from today's event. The silent majority is becoming more vocal.
Has there been any report on the number of people in attendance at the rally?
Quote from: kroz on September 09, 2015, 02:23:04 PM
Has there been any report on the number of people in attendance at the rally?
No but it didn't seem like a lot.
Quote from: kroz on September 09, 2015, 02:23:04 PM
Has there been any report on the number of people in attendance at the rally?
The only number I heard was an anticipated 5,000 from Carl Cameron.