Quote from: redbeard on May 04, 2015, 01:12:07 PM
Isn't breaking your oath of office grounds for dismissal from a civil service job? If it isn't that is a law congress should waist no time passing! It could assist in the Purge after the 2016 election!!

There was a time in America when such things mattered!  Unfortuanetly, the CHANGE that so many now seem to BELIEVE in has all but eliminated any HOPE that our nation will develop the conscience that was the guiding principle our father's generation followed, long before the rule of long required certain conduct.  The majority of people didn't have to be curtailed by a law, or adhere to an oath in order to act in a morally correct manner.  It was a time when civics was taught in schools, where prayer in school was allowed and the pledge of alliegance was not something a child could refuse to participate in.

Quote from: redbeard on May 04, 2015, 01:12:07 PM
Isn't breaking your oath of office grounds for dismissal from a civil service job? If it isn't that is a law congress should waist no time passing! It could assist in the Purge after the 2016 election!!

I don't see why not.
In a court of law when you ""swear to the tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me GOD", (later amended by atheists) you'd have been held on contempt charges and lying to the court if you were caught lying.

I see no reason, an oath should hold any less gravity now, be it Military or public office. Lock these bassturds up right now!

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
I don't see why not.
In a court of law when you ""swear to the tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me GOD", (later amended by atheists) you'd have been held on contempt charges and lying to the court if you were caught lying.

I see no reason, an oath should hold any less gravity now, be it Military or public office. Lock these bassturds up right now!

At the very least it should be grounds for dismal just as lying on your resume would be. It should be canonized by law. a separate bill authorizing discharge on these grounds now so when we get the new administration they will have the tools to remove these people regardless of their unions! Civil employees are damn near imposable to fire! The house and senate should be using every method they have to push through changes to the civil service code to give the tools to the next administration!

Quote from: redbeard on May 04, 2015, 04:30:13 PM
At the very least it should be grounds for dismal just as lying on your resume would be. It should be canonized by law. a separate bill authorizing discharge on these grounds now so when we get the new administration they will have the tools to remove these people regardless of their unions! Civil employees are damn near imposable to fire! The house and senate should be using every method they have to push through changes to the civil service code to give the tools to the next administration!

I've no doubt it's already on the books, "Lying Under Oath" but that would take conviction of ones oath to hold another to ones conviction, wouldn't it?
In other words, it would appear that an oath is mere formality for us plebes, while the Generals (elected officials) are held above such meaningless tripe..

"We The People" are the Govt, it's long past time we remind them of that, and kick these bassturds to the curb, all the while ridiculing them for their acts.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 04:42:21 PM
I've no doubt it's already on the books, "Lying Under Oath" but that would take conviction of ones oath to hold another to ones conviction, wouldn't it?
In other words, it would appear that an oath is mere formality for us plebes, while the Generals (elected officials) are held above such meaningless tripe..

"We The People" are the Govt, it's long past time we remind them of that, and kick these bassturds to the curb, all the while ridiculing them for their acts.

The only chance the next president will have to clean up the Obozo mess is to have the tools to clean house in the agencies under his control. A lot of people must go!!

Was that the week I had the stroke? Oh, yeah, I think it was. 

Quote from: Solar on May 03, 2015, 08:01:04 PM
Like I said, I put myself in his shoes, because sometimes events are bigger than the individual.
Had this happened 30 years ago, I'd have called for his execution.

But the US is nothing like it was 30 years back. It's downright Marxist in it's direction, and anything that exposes these bastards for the traitors to the Constitution they've become, Then in my book, Snowden is a hero.

Billy, I have no doubt you and I see eye to eye on how traitors to the nation should be dealt with.
But the line has become seriously blurred since the Establishment and Marxists have screwed everything up.
The real traitor sits in the WH....

YEs the real traitor stis in the white House, and all other branches of the Govt right on down to the infiltration of thousands of them in the Govt at all Levels. The next poor SOB who is president (And I hope that is Ted Cruz) is going to have a nest of these vipers to clear out, they are embedded in the Govt and will be for years to come. So they are all traitorious no good marxist SOB in my Opinion and the Govt needs a major enema from top to bottom.

But two wrongs never did and still doesn't make a right.

Hero's don't turn over information to enemy Govt's to expose the wrong doing in their own. Did this information SAVE anyone's life, or Take anyone's life?, which do you, as a reasonable man, think it is?

whatever his intentions, SNOWDEN KNEW he could not control the situation once these enemy nations got hold of whatever he gave them....AND we still really don;t know what all he gave them besides that which "proved" Obamunists lied, that means we still don't know how much damage Snowden has caused or could cause with his defection. Once again I suspect the average citizen who has a bank account or used a credit card at Target was likely the end recipient of Snowdens "heroism".

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 04, 2015, 06:05:29 PM
YEs the real traitor stis in the white House, and all other branches of the Govt right on down to the infiltration of thousands of them in the Govt at all Levels. The next poor SOB who is president (And I hope that is Ted Cruz) is going to have a nest of these vipers to clear out, they are embedded in the Govt and will be for years to come. So they are all traitorious no good marxist SOB in my Opinion and the Govt needs a major enema from top to bottom.

But two wrongs never did and still doesn't make a right.

Hero's don't turn over information to enemy Govt's to expose the wrong doing in their own. Did this information SAVE anyone's life, or Take anyone's life?, which do you, as a reasonable man, think it is?

whatever his intentions, SNOWDEN KNEW he could not control the situation once these enemy nations got hold of whatever he gave them....AND we still really don;t know what all he gave them besides that which "proved" Obamunists lied, that means we still don't know how much damage Snowden has caused or could cause with his defection. Once again I suspect the average citizen who has a bank account or used a credit card at Target was likely the end recipient of Snowdens "heroism".

We don't know what the collateral damage was, but you can be assured, if the Marxist had found a victim, it would have made news of the year. They didn't and there wasn't.

But here's my issue. We have the NSA spying on Americans, claiming it's for our own good.
Then why do we have a Marxist and party of Marxists funneling in millions of illegals across the border, including terrorists with the help of the Establishment GOP?
Wouldn't it make sense to stop countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc, from entering the country?
Instead of focusing on returning Vets and calling them potential terrorists?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/?page=all

Who's the real enemy here? It sure as Hell isn't the patriots!

Instead, many see Snowden as the traitor, when in truth he exposed the real enemy, the truth of what is really going on here.
That our own Govt is spying on it's citizens in search of Patriots willing to fight this radical jihad by leftists against the American people.

Quote from: redbeard on May 04, 2015, 05:05:41 PM
The only chance the next president will have to clean up the Obozo mess is to have the tools to clean house in the agencies under his control. A lot of people must go!!

This is the deal as I have been told.....  It is the federal employee's union that has made it impossible to fire anyone.  Leadership has bowed to their demands.

It will take the spirit of Ronald Reagan to break this union.  He broke the air traffic controllers' union.  Our next President must break this union!!

Only THEN will we be able to purge the bureaucracies of the sleaze and dead wood.

Quote from: kroz on May 04, 2015, 07:00:41 PM
This is the deal as I have been told.....  It is the federal employee's union that has made it impossible to fire anyone.  Leadership has bowed to their demands.

It will take the spirit of Ronald Reagan to break this union. He broke the air traffic controllers' union.  Our next President must break this union!!

Only THEN will we be able to purge the bureaucracies of the sleaze and dead wood.

Oh I wish I was old enough to remember that one.  How I would have enjoyed that.

Quote from: kroz on May 04, 2015, 07:00:41 PM
This is the deal as I have been told.....  It is the federal employee's union that has made it impossible to fire anyone.  Leadership has bowed to their demands.

It will take the spirit of Ronald Reagan to break this union.  He broke the air traffic controllers' union.  Our next President must break this union!!

Only THEN will we be able to purge the bureaucracies of the sleaze and dead wood.

Force them to strike, then bust the damn Union like Reagan did.
If that doesn't work, EO the shit out of them.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 07:04:33 PM
Force them to strike, then bust the damn Union like Reagan did.
If that doesn't work, EO the shit out of them.

I don't like EO's! If where've learned anything in the last couple years it is that limits must be put on their use! I really want to hear one of our conservatives commit to working with congress to do just that!

Quote from: redbeard on May 04, 2015, 07:13:14 PM
I don't like EO's! If where've learned anything in the last couple years it is that limits must be put on their use! I really want to hear one of our conservatives commit to working with congress to do just that!

I agree....At the end of Cruz' second term, he has a lot of Marxist shit to clean up.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 07:22:15 PM
I agree....At the end of Cruz' second term, he has a lot of Marxist shit to clean up.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 07:22:15 PM
I agree....At the end of Cruz' second term, he has a lot of Marxist shit to clean up.

Well I'm talking about his second week in office he can rescind all the Obama EO's the first week!