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I know we moved a few of these threads to the MSM, but the story itself is not a distraction.  This is an unbelievable story, where we know Hussein and his administration are culpable, and possibly the GOP.

Let's attack this story from all angles, not just from a Hillary angle.  We don't want to carry any water for Hussein, Jarrett, and company; they are all guilty, and we need to compile the evidence and connect the dots as it is being discovered.  Solar and I talked about it today, and we just don't want this to be a Clinton story, as this isn't a typical, run-in-the-mill, average, every day Clinton scandal.  This has Hussein's greasy fingerprints all over it as well, among others.

Lots of questions.

EDIT: Solar has some interesting theories that make sense to me.  In the end, it may not be a dangerous deal, and may be a play to minimize their other scandals, so then this one is deflated and the others remain small (Jeffery Epstein, etc).

1: What laws were broken?

2: How dangerous really is this deal?  What is Russia gaining from this?

This morning,  discussion pertained to controlling production, cornering the market, so to speak. This is not like a straight corporate mining transaction. The implications are ominous.
Only thing I might add is my info that the largest uranium deposits are in Australia.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/clinton-conflict-of-interest/?utm (http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/clinton-conflict-of-interest/?utm)

http://www.g-a-i.org/?utm (http://www.g-a-i.org/?utm)

Quote from: taxed on April 26, 2015, 11:42:38 AM
I know we moved a few of these threads to the MSM, but the story itself is not a distraction.  This is an unbelievable story, where we know Hussein and his administration are culpable, and possibly the GOP.

Let's attack this story from all angles, not just from a Hillary angle.  We don't want to carry any water for Hussein, Jarrett, and company; they are all guilty, and we need to compile the evidence and connect the dots as it is being discovered.  Solar and I talked about it today, and we just don't want this to be a Clinton story, as this isn't a typical, run-in-the-mill, average, every day Clinton scandal.  This has Hussein's greasy fingerprints all over it as well, among others.

Lots of questions.

Some excellent points. Let's look at the MO of this WH (Obama/Jarrett). It is reported, and I believe it, that they play everything close to the vest with short reins. Knowing the history between the Clintons and team Obama one would surmise that a close eye was kept on Hillary. I doubt very much was done without their approval. This includes approving Hillary's personal server situation. She may have been the purveyor of their subversion with the undertsanding her and Bubba could get richer. Quid pro quo?

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 26, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
Some excellent points. Let's look at the MO of this WH (Obama/Jarrett). It is reported, and I believe it, that they play everything close to the vest with short reins. Knowing the history between the Clintons and team Obama one would surmise that a close eye was kept on Hillary. I doubt very much was done without their approval. This includes approving Hillary's personal server situation. She may have been the purveyor of their subversion with the undertsanding her and Bubba could get richer. Quid pro quo?

Exactly.

Quote from: taxed on April 26, 2015, 11:42:38 AM
I know we moved a few of these threads to the MSM, but the story itself is not a distraction.  This is an unbelievable story, where we know Hussein and his administration are culpable, and possibly the GOP.

Let's attack this story from all angles, not just from a Hillary angle.  We don't want to carry any water for Hussein, Jarrett, and company; they are all guilty, and we need to compile the evidence and connect the dots as it is being discovered.  Solar and I talked about it today, and we just don't want this to be a Clinton story, as this isn't a typical, run-in-the-mill, average, every day Clinton scandal.  This has Hussein's greasy fingerprints all over it as well, among others.

Lots of questions.

I agree.  The book is the result of investigtive journalism which isn't often seen anymore.  It's author used to work for Brietbart and was an advisor to Sarah Palin, among other things.  He released the story exclusively to the New York Tomes, the Washington Post and Fox, so leftist MSM sources could not say it was a right wing hit job being promoted by a rightwing newsoutlet (Fox).

Because the left wing MSM are all over this like it was their own story, I understand how it appears they have to have a sinister, ulterior motive.  Could it be this is just too big a story, with too many potential wolrd wide ramnifications that they can't do anything but report it...and this Britebart Journalist was absolutely brilliant by giving the Leftists something they did not dare try to cover up! 

Is it too much to hope for that the same Washington Post that acked "What did the President know and when did he know it" about Nixon, is going to return to their roots and start asking this same question about Obama (and his Blackberry).  It took nearly two years of investigations of Watergate before the Presient, himself was implicated in anything.  Untli that it was a bungled burglary, leading to an unraveling of many other scandals of wrong doings of people other than the President, himself...until evidence implicated...the President himself.  This, along with Benghazi and the IRS scandal and the use of private emails (from cellphones like the Presiden't Blackberry) circumvent both regulations and laws pertaining to how official business of the United States is to be conducted.  Does anyone real believe that the Obama's aren't going to receive a piece of the pie he has allowed the Clinton and the leftist's croanies to create.  I found Bret Baier's report interesting in many ways; not the least of which that Obama's economic advisor, Jeffery Imalt (CEO of GE) is involved...

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 26, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
Some excellent points. Let's look at the MO of this WH (Obama/Jarrett). It is reported, and I believe it, that they play everything close to the vest with short reins. Knowing the history between the Clintons and team Obama one would surmise that a close eye was kept on Hillary. I doubt very much was done without their approval. This includes approving Hillary's personal server situation. She may have been the purveyor of their subversion with the undertsanding her and Bubba could get richer. Quid pro quo?

I suspect that a very large portion of decisions coming out of the  WH are actually of Jarrett's making.  She seems to be the heart and soul of the straw man.  Their unique relationship is unlike any I have ever seen or heard of in the WH. 

Jarrett is said to dine with Obama every evening in the family quarters.  It is likely that most major decisions are made around that dinner table.

Hillary, Michelle, and all other members of the inner circle are given their orders accordingly.

Jarrett wields more power than any other non President in my lifetime.

Lets see who was involved?

The US Committee on Foreign Investment, which includes the attorney general, the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, Commerce and Energy, and the secretary of state, were charged with reviewing the deal that would give Rosatom a majority stake because uranium is considered a strategic asset with implications for national security.

Now ask yourself, whom do they all answer directly to?
This has Jarret's and her Marxist buddy, Hussein, stench all over it.

But I'm going to ask another question. Is this really what it appears to be?
Russia is in no way hurting for refined nuclear fuel when one considers an agreement between the two powers.
But they do need to consider future supplies, so investing in future supplies makes complete and total sense.

Quote31 Jul 2011.

Primary supply, from mining, was 43,880 tons of uranium (U) in 2008 (Red Book), 50,772 tons U in 2009 (WNA; up 16%), and 53,663 tU in 2010 (WNA, up 6%). The top three producers in 2010 were Kazakhstan, Canada, and Australia.

In 2008 secondary sources – mainly existing inventories and decommissioned warheads – supplied about 26% of demand. Little information is available for commercial inventories, which are not reported by most countries. On the military side, highly-enriched uranium (HEU) from excess weapons is "down-blended" with depleted uranium to make low-enriched uranium (LEU) suitable for use in a reactor. A large fraction of weapons-derived supply is via a US-Russian agreement that ends in 2013.

In the long run three major factors will determine supply: (1) increasing primary production, (2) possible further decommissioning of weapons, and (3) recycling of spent fuel. All are somewhat uncertain.

Recycling is not currently profitable but, in the longer term, with rising prices, this could change. In particular it should be noted that recycling could, in the longer term, provide a soft ceiling on the price.
Much more.
http://www.clearonmoney.com/dw/doku.php?id=public:uranium_supply (http://www.clearonmoney.com/dw/doku.php?id=public:uranium_supply)

My over all point is this. Is this really a big deal in the bigger scheme of things?
Sure, we could have locked up most of the uranium supplies in the world, but to what end?

Russia still uses it's excess warheads as supply for nuclear plants, it's not as if they need it for more warheads, they still have an ample supply, yet limited when looking decades ahead.
So is this being blown out of proportion for political purposes?
Why didn't the GOP raise questions early on, considering they knew about it long before the public was aware.

A few things are clear though, this is being used by Hussein to destroy an opponent. He also knows there really isn't anything to it, because none of this could have been precipitated without his signature, so he is culpable as well.
BUT, and yes there is a but. He knows it doesn't matter, because there is no evidence that any laws were broken, (see above, he is equally responsible) or he too would be held culpable as well.

There is a common thread, here, that runs through both the Bush in and the Clinton wanna be dynasty. No, I am not talking about greed, here, or, staying around when they really should have taken the money and faded away. I am talking about selling off America for personal gain.

Most of what is tied into globalism and the NWO applies, outsourcing, the immigration scam, and, if we want to go back in search of the  roots of it, we have to include monetization of debt, that is, taking it out of the national wealth by inflating the dollars, and, truth be known, destroying domestic industries, like steel, by excessive union thuggery.  It only works because we have a compliant, complacent, public, willing to sell their soul to the highest bidder. This is to say, the sell out started long before Hillary was born.  She and Barack are just the latest edition.

Maybe they will help reignite America's spirit, in a convoluted kind of way.

Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2015, 01:24:50 PM
Lets see who was involved?

The US Committee on Foreign Investment, which includes the attorney general, the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, Commerce and Energy, and the secretary of state, were charged with reviewing the deal that would give Rosatom a majority stake because uranium is considered a strategic asset with implications for national security.

Now ask yourself, whom do they all answer directly to?
This has Jarret's and her Marxist buddy, Hussein, stench all over it.

But I'm going to ask another question. Is this really what it appears to be?
Russia is in no way hurting for refined nuclear fuel when one considers an agreement between the two powers.
But they do need to consider future supplies, so investing in future supplies makes complete and total sense.

My over all point is this. Is this really a big deal in the bigger scheme of things?
Sure, we could have locked up most of the uranium supplies in the world, but to what end?

Russia still uses it's excess warheads as supply for nuclear plants, it's not as if they need it for more warheads, they still have an ample supply, yet limited when looking decades ahead.
So is this being blown out of proportion for political purposes?
Why didn't the GOP raise questions early on, considering they knew about it long before the public was aware.

A few things are clear though, this is being used by Hussein to destroy an opponent. He also knows there really isn't anything to it, because none of this could have been precipitated without his signature, so he is culpable as well.
BUT, and yes there is a but. He knows it doesn't matter, because there is no evidence that any laws were broken, (see above, he is equally responsible) or he too would be held culpable as well.

Remember at the close of the Clinton Administration, when Clinton dispatched Al Gore to China where he unilaterally made a deal to give US missle technology to the Communist Chinese. The quid pro quo in that deal was campaign donations to the Democrat Party (and presumably Al Gores' run for POTUS).

Obama, Vallerie Jarret and the whole rats next are aware of how well this worked and how the MSM let them get away with it.  The Clinton's have been playing this game a very long time and there is no doubt in my mind that their political corruption has now gone into the area of simply, greedy, illegal big business corruption to put multimillions in these people's pocket.  How much you want to bet that Obama (and Jarrett and many others in the Administration) have all gotten in for a piece of their rags to riches scheme.  It's the Chicago Way!

Wartergate was unraveled by "follow the money" and it led ito all kinds of political corruption, stonewalling, perjury, obstruction of justice and eventual criminal proscedution!  One can only hope!

Quote from: kroz on April 26, 2015, 01:12:25 PM
I suspect that a very large portion of decisions coming out of the  WH are actually of Jarrett's making.  She seems to be the heart and soul of the straw man.  Their unique relationship is unlike any I have ever seen or heard of in the WH. 

Jarrett is said to dine with Obama every evening in the family quarters.  It is likely that most major decisions are made around that dinner table.

Hillary, Michelle, and all other members of the inner circle are given their orders accordingly.

Jarrett wields more power than any other non President in my lifetime.

Nailed it!!

Quote from: supsalemgr on April 26, 2015, 02:09:51 PM
Nailed it!!

Valerie Jarrett being born in Iran has no more bearing on any of this, than Barak Hussain Obama having a father who was Muslim and a step father who was Muslim and having grown up and gone to schol in a Muslim county and having written that their is no more beutiful sound than the Islam call to worship..So what they embrace the Muslim Brotherhood and trash our allies!  If you think there is some sort of connection here, you must be a conspiracy theory crackpot....or so we're told!

Alright, here's my theory. Taxed and talked about this, because it was not intended to be a thread about the Klinton's.
Klinton's have done nothing wrong, first off, outside of looking inappropriate in their dealings.

But to listen to the media and the way they lead one to CONCLUDE it's the BIGGEST SCANDAL of the decade, one presumes guilt, Right?
With that said, if you were in her shoes, and had been wrongly accused, how would you react?
Yep, you and I would be out there showing evidence of innocence.
Or, if you were guilty? You'd probably slink away and buy an island, but they've done neither, it's business as usual.
Remember, the natural instinct is "Fight or Flight".

So we, the nation sees Hitlery as untruthful going into 2016, this really hurts her chances, (as if she had any in the first place), but you need to create a new Hitlery to replace the evil bitch she is in real life, right, or forget her ever running.
Now out of the blue, shes tied up in a scandal, a huge one, bigger than anything she has done in the past.
Think, White Water, but did that hinder them in the least, nope, because the average LIV (Low Information Voter) has the conceptual attention span of a flea and the Dims are counting on it.
Remember, these people are huge cash cows for the DNC, and anything Hitlery does, ruins the legacy of their most beloved President in modern times. Can't have that....

So how do you create a new Klinton? You Break the old one, create a victim that was wronged.
So here we are in what appears to end the Klintoon dynasty, except they have done nothing wrong.
If they did, Hussein is equally culpable because he has to sign off on this as well, as I posted earlier.
This would be the end of the regime, but.....

So how do you create a new Klinton? You manufacture a scandal, that isn't a scandal, just a normal lib business deal with the blessing of the POTUS.
Then you beat them up in the press to the breaking point, (picture her in tears, soon), a woman wronged, slowly you reveal the details of this supposed scandal over the next few weeks, then suddenly the NY Times breaks the news, "She is Innocent", you now have a manufactured victim.

But before you reveal the truth, certain steps need to take place first, you create a Koch connection (if possible) to a right wing conspiracy, you show news clips from FOX pundits ripping her as the evil bitch, Rush clips if any.
You also have to prep the victim for when the news breaks. Images like feeding the poor at a homeless shelter or attending to the sick in Africa etc.

Picture Hitlery feeding a sick child when they interview her as the victim, or in this case, the saint now.
Yes, you now have a new Hitlery, one that has been wronged, a scandal that made all others pale in comparison.
And what do you suppose the LIV defense will be when you bring up Benghazi?

If I missed anything Taxed feel free to point it out..

Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2015, 03:15:52 PM
Alright, here's my theory. Taxed and talked about this, because it was not intended to be a thread about the Klinton's.
Klinton's have done nothing wrong, first off, outside of looking inappropriate in their dealings.

But to listen to the media and the way they lead one to CONCLUDE it's the BIGGEST SCANDAL of the decade, one presumes guilt, Right?
With that said, if you were in her shoes, and had been wrongly accused, how would you react?
Yep, you and I would be out there showing evidence of innocence.
Or, if you were guilty? You'd probably slink away and buy an island, but they've done neither, it's business as usual.
Remember, the natural instinct is "Fight or Flight".

So we, the nation sees Hitlery as untruthful going into 2016, this really hurts her chances, (as if she had any in the first place), but you need to create a new Hitlery to replace the evil bitch she is in real life, right, or forget her ever running.
Now out of the blue, shes tied up in a scandal, a huge one, bigger than anything she has done in the past.
Think, White Water, but did that hinder them in the least, nope, because the average LIV (Low Information Voter) has the conceptual attention span of a flea and the Dims are counting on it.
Remember, these people are huge cash cows for the DNC, and anything Hitlery does, ruins the legacy of their most beloved President in modern times. Can't have that....

So how do you create a new Klinton? You Break the old one, create a victim that was wronged.
So here we are in what appears to end the Klintoon dynasty, except they have done nothing wrong.
If they did, Hussein is equally culpable because he has to sign off on this as well, as I posted earlier.
This would be the end of the regime, but.....

So how do you create a new Klinton? You manufacture a scandal, that isn't a scandal, just a normal lib business deal with the blessing of the POTUS.
Then you beat them up in the press to the breaking point, (picture her in tears, soon), a woman wronged, slowly you reveal the details of this supposed scandal over the next few weeks, then suddenly the NY Times breaks the news, "She is Innocent", you now have a manufactured victim.

But before you reveal the truth, certain steps need to take place first, you create a Koch connection (if possible) to a right wing conspiracy, you show news clips from FOX pundits ripping her as the evil bitch, Rush clips if any.
You also have to prep the victim for when the news breaks. Images like feeding the poor at a homeless shelter or attending to the sick in Africa etc.

Picture Hitlery feeding a sick child when they interview her as the victim, or in this case, the saint now.
Yes, you now have a new Hitlery, one that has been wronged, a scandal that made all others pale in comparison.
And what do you suppose the LIV defense will be when you bring up Benghazi?

If I missed anything Taxed feel free to point it out..

I don't buy the theory.  I think it is a credible source and a credible story.  Today on Fox News Sunday, Chis Wallace interviewed the author.  I found it interesting that some of the most damning evidence of quid pro quo (remember, the thing Gov Blago went to prison for) was found by investigation of public Canadian tax records of people who had made large donations to the CLintons. These are donations that were not disclosed by the Clinton Foundation!

When Hilary CLinton was first confirmed as Sec. of State, both the Obama Adminsitration and COngress made it that they would have to disclose all donations to the CLinton Foundation.  They did so, except in those cases that led back to any of these quid pro quo dealings, including the deal with the Russians to sell out our urianium deposits. Putin has 20% of ours and 50% of the world's resources as a result of this deal! How would Hillary know that Putin would screw her and start selling this nuclear material to Iran right at the time of the Nuclear Talks with Iran.  Do you think Putin didn't know what's on her server and the involvedment of our Sec. of State and former President.  Hell, they even have the traitor who gave them state dept. information,,,what do you think this consists of?  If this story blows up (who knows it may even involve this President)...this give the best propaganda that a former KGB agent and chief could ever dream of; the corruption of a US Sec. of State, a former US Presient and perhaps even a sitting US President!

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/edward-snowden-steps-secret-us-russia-spy-scuffle/story?id=19495341 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/edward-snowden-steps-secret-us-russia-spy-scuffle/story?id=19495341)


Remember Hillary's reset button, this is the time when the uranium deal began to come together.

I think this story is much larger than her candidacy and it deals not only with illegal pay to play politics and political corruption, but has to do with a major threat to our national security!  I guess we'll see...

Quote from: wally on April 26, 2015, 03:28:04 PM
I don't buy the theory.  I think it is a credible source and a credible story.  Today on Fox News Sunday, Chis Wallace interviewed the author.  I found it interesting that some of the most damning evidence of quid pro quo (remember, the thing Gov Blago went to prison for) was found by investigation of public Canadian tax records of people who had made large donations to the CLintons. These are donations that were not disclosed by the Clinton Foundation!

Which is why they went back and refiled to pay back taxes before the IRS moved on them, so technically no law was broken and impropriety  is not illegal.

QuoteWhen Hilary CLinton was first confirmed as Sec. of State, both the Obama Adminsitration and COngress made it that they would have to disclose all donations to the CLinton Foundation.  They did so, except in those cases that led back to any of these quid pro quo dealings, including the deal with the Russiand to sell out our urianium deposits. Putin has 20% of ours and 50% of the world's resources as a result of this deal!

They belonged to Canada, not the US. Essentially, they go to the highest bidder, that's free mkkt Capitalism. Again, nothing illegal.

QuoteI think this story is much larger than her candidacy and it deals not only with illegal pay to play politics and political corruption, but has to do with a major threat to our national security!  I guess we'll see...

Which is my point, it "appears" to be be bigger than it really is, and that's the plan.

Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2015, 03:42:42 PM
Which is why they went back and refiled to pay back taxes before the IRS moved on them, so technically no law was broken and impropriety  is not illegal.

They belonged to Canada, not the US. Essentially, they go to the highest bidder, that's free mkkt Capitalism. Again, nothing illegal.

Which is my point, it "appears" to be be bigger than it really is, and that's the plan.

I guess we'll see.  I might even rethink my former position about what we ought to do with Snowdon, if the Russians (Putin; the Spy Master) allowed him to give a thumbdrive of NSA records of Hillary's emails, in exchange for immunity!

This story that was never to be told seems to be unravaling because of the Russian deal.  The reset with Putin was suppose to enlist him as a quid pro quo player,  They don't have the same problems with communists and dictators, we do and that makes them vunerable to a Master Spy!

Dems... the Party of "peace", "love", and "talking" have now brought us closer to geoglobal nuclear-chaos than we've been in 50-years.

 

Quote from: kit saginaw on April 26, 2015, 04:39:07 PM
Dems... the Party of "peace", "love", and "talking" have now brought us closer to geoglobal nuclear-chaos than we've been in 50-years.

the reset button was suppose to enlist a partenr who could pay and play, like the Chicago Way.   The Libtards don't believe totalitarian Dictator thugs are so bad.  They just are misunderstood and can be bought just like all thier friends!

Quote from: wally on April 26, 2015, 04:46:28 PM
the reset button was suppose to enlist a partenr who could pay and play, like the Chicago Way.   The Libtards don't believe totalitarian Dictator thugs are so bad.  They just are misunderstood and can be bought just like all thier friends!

I think you are probably right, wally.

I think this is a real scandal that is unraveling.  The problem is that by the time the Primaries begin this could all be forgotten.  It is difficult to keep things on the front burner very long.

Quote from: kroz on April 26, 2015, 04:57:56 PM
I think you are probably right, wally.

I think this is a real scandal that is unraveling.  The problem is that by the time the Primaries begin this could all be forgotten.  It is difficult to keep things on the front burner very long.

That was the point in my theory, get this all out in the open now, prove her innocence and they quickly forget, but walk a way thinking Klinton in innocent.

One thing missing in this discussion is that Russia is by far the biggest suppler of nuclear tech. and supplies to Iran including Uranium! Is any Uranium from US mines reaching Iranian centrifuges? Are we supplying them indirectly with the material to make the bomb were supposedly trying to stop?
If I was Putin I would make sure it was American yellow cake I was supplying. He must be laughing his ass off!

Quote from: redbeard on April 26, 2015, 07:05:49 PM
One thing missing in this discussion is that Russia is by far the biggest suppler of nuclear tech. and supplies to Iran including Uranium! Is any Uranium from US mines reaching Iranian centrifuges? Are we supplying them indirectly with the material to make the bomb were supposedly trying to stop?
If I was Putin I would make sure it was American yellow cake I was supplying. He must be laughing his ass off!

None.

Although most of the uranium used in domestic nuclear power plants is imported, domestic uranium processing facilities still provide sizeable volumes of uranium concentrate to U.S. nuclear power plants. In 2013, uranium concentrate was produced at seven facilities in four states. Wyoming accounted for 59% of domestic production, followed by Utah (22%), Nebraska (15%), and Texas (4%), according to the World Nuclear Association.
Uranium is processed into uranium concentrate either by grinding up ore or by using a liquid mixture to dissolve and separate the uranium, a process known as in-situ leaching. Most plants use in-situ leaching; Utah's uranium mill is the only current exception. The output of the mill and the leach plants is uranium concentrate, known as U3O8 or yellowcake, which is transported to conversion and enrichment facilities for further processing before being fabricated into nuclear fuel.
In 2013, U.S. processing facilities produced 4.7 million pounds of uranium concentrate, a 12% increase from 2012 and equal to about 11% of the uranium used by the nation's 100 operating nuclear power reactors. The rest of the uranium used to fuel reactors came from other nations, including uranium received as part of the joint U.S.-Russian Megatons to Megawatts program, which ended last year.

Uranium has been produced in the western United States since World War II, but in the past 25 years, uranium concentrate has been available at competitive prices on international markets. Last year, 92% of the uranium used in U.S. nuclear power plants was of foreign origin. Several western states have shut down uranium mines as it became more economical to purchase processed uranium from foreign companies.

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=17831 (http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=17831)

Quote from: redbeard on April 26, 2015, 07:05:49 PM
One thing missing in this discussion is that Russia is by far the biggest suppler of nuclear tech. and supplies to Iran including Uranium! Is any Uranium from US mines reaching Iranian centrifuges? Are we supplying them indirectly with the material to make the bomb were supposedly trying to stop?
If I was Putin I would make sure it was American yellow cake I was supplying. He must be laughing his ass off!

Putin was a KGB Fild Operative who rose to be the Head of the KGB.  I think people might tend to
to think of his past as something akin to George H.W. Bush becoming a political appointee as CIA Director.  The fact is, this is a ruthless, cunning and no doubt brilliant devious strategist who came up through the ranks of the brutal KGB during the cold war.

If he could feed the flames of the middle east and manipulate it so his country doesn't receive targeting for what the Iranians (or Syrians or any of the other Muscum) do to us, then the more they hurt us, the better for him.  A nuclear weapon handed off to terrorists by the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism, woujld not be used against their trading partner.  For instance, if Iran made good on it's threats to nuke Israel, the US would either be drawn into the conflict or demonstate (again) to the world that an alliance with the United States of America means nothing!  Both stong and weak nations would line up knocking on the door of the New Soviet Union!

Quote from: wally on April 27, 2015, 05:02:20 AM
Putin was a KGB Fild Operative who rose to be the Head of the KGB.  I think people might tend to
to think of his past as something akin to George H.W. Bush becoming a political appointee as CIA Director.  The fact is, this is a ruthless, cunning and no doubt brilliant devious strategist who came up through the ranks of the brutal KGB during the cold war.

If he could feed the flames of the middle east and manipulate it so his country doesn't receive targeting for what the Iranians (or Syrians or any of the other Muscum) do to us, then the more they hurt us, the better for him.  A nuclear weapon handed off to terrorists by the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism, woujld not be used against their trading partner.  For instance, if Iran made good on it's threats to nuke Israel, the US would either be drawn into the conflict or demonstate (again) to the world that an alliance with the United States of America means nothing!  Both stong and weak nations would line up knocking on the door of the New Soviet Union!

Many have long believed that it is Putin who has been the catalyst for the entire terrorist movement.  This started several decades ago.  Back in the late 80s and early 90s operatives were sent to various third world countries to indoctrinate young men and build anger toward the West..... the U.S. in particular.  It was quite easy to whip up a herd mentality and justify it by portraying their Islamic religion as the "victim" in need of defending.   And it was easy to inspire from the Qu'ran scriptures to support a caliphate movement.

Young unemployed men joined by the thousands.  My neighbor in Jakarta, Indonesia at that time told me about a bus load of foreign muslims she encountered in an outlying township.  One spoke English and she asked him what they were doing.  He told her flatly and matter-of-factly that they were sent to Indonesia to recruit young men for the new Islamic movement.  At the time she had no idea what that meant.  In retrospect it is abundantly clear what that meant.

So, who was funding this early organizational structure?  Many believe Putin was gathering his proxy army against the West.  And it is next to impossible to prove that it was Putin.  Clever does not begin to define this man.


I will add that it was during this period of the 90s that Indonesian changed radically.  When we first moved there in the 80s, the people loved Americans and were very much in awe of the Western nations in general.  They longed to be like America.  They were constantly asking to have their picture taken with western people.... especially blond Americans.  (My family of five are all blonde and blue eyed which they adored.)  During the 90s the change began.  The younger generation especially began to despise the West.  They became increasingly agitated.  Eventually they even spat on my daughters.  Rage was boiling within. They were burning churches throughout the islands.  Then the revolution began.  At first they were targeting Western businesses within Indonesia with bombings or bomb threats.  A year after that began our youngest children went to college in America.   

Eventually they turned against their own government and the government fell in 1998.  After a few days we were evacuated by private charter jet in the middle of the night at a private airport.  It was impossible to get to the international airport....... the revolutionaries were hijacking, robbing and killing people on the one road to the airport.  There were fires all across the city and the military was trying to gain control...... army tanks in the streets.  It is very unnerving to wake up one morning and find a military tank in front of your house!

THAT is how quickly a revolutionary movement can come to fruition.

Obama and his whole Administration are amateurs when it comes to daling with real sinister evil thug Dictators.  Ehile this group of Kumbya Kommunists are all were protesting against America during the Viet Nam war and ever since then, Vladimir Putin was directly or indirectly killing people to further the polical and economic aspirations of the Soviet Union.  I have no doubt that folks like Obama, Vaalerie Jerrett and Hillary Clinton see people like CHe Fuverra, Fidel Castro, Mao Tse Tung, Vladimir Putin and even Hugo Chavez as sort of kidred spirits who share their view of one world communist new world order, to be ruled by a wold wide cetralized goverment...The United Nations! ...Comrade

I'm old enough to remember the ComIntern (Communit Party International) and their coordination of the world wide network of communist nations and 'movements' within nations!  They  didn't go away, they jsut went deeper underground.  Kinda went to hole, when the Soviet Union collapses!

Without delving into the skull cracking complexitiy of another Clinton drama, here is how I see it.

This whole thing is part and parcel of Iran getting a nuke, they are gonna get the Uranium in a trade deal with their big time oil client....Putin.  Oil for Uranium...get a nuke Mullah's and go to town.....In the mean time we'll make a secret deal with Isreal to sell them some anti missle defense system since the US won't.

Obamao (and Jarrett) had this whole 'sanctions' thing planned,,,,this Fishy deal is just part of it.

The Clintanista's are in it for the money.....AND...should the details come out Hillary will twist this whole thing around into some moral high ground that reads something like:

Well I was opposed to Russian Uranium deal and thats why I quit, I tried to dissuade Obamao but couldn't so I walked rather than be a part of it....some crap like that.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 27, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
Without delving into the skull cracking complexitiy of another Clinton drama, here is how I see it.

This whole thing is part and parcel of Iran getting a nuke, they are gonna get the Uranium in a trade deal with their big time oil client....Putin.  Oil for Uranium...get a nuke Mullah's and go to town.....In the mean time we'll make a secret deal with Isreal to sell them some anti missle defense system since the US won't.

Obamao (and Jarrett) had this whole 'sanctions' thing planned,,,,this Fishy deal is just part of it.

The Clintanista's are in it for the money.....AND...should the details come out Hillary will twist this whole thing around into some moral high ground that reads something like:

Well I was opposed to Russian Uranium deal and thats why I quit, I tried to dissuade Obamao but couldn't so I walked rather than be a part of it....some crap like that.

Obama's leading from behind bullshit is a fullfillment of his Marxists Kenyan Daddy's Dream to bring America to it's knees.  The far left Lefties blame all our problems on our forward leaaning leadership on the world stage.  Their Kumbya brand of Marxism is dedicated to the propisition that if we leave them along, they will leave us alone and they will sort things out for themselves,  Like Ron Paul, Obama believes it's none of our business what they do.  The problem is that "they" are coming for us and there is nothing we can say to stop them.  They actually hate the very liberals that are enabling them.  They hate the liberal changes of western culture and are conducting jihad to end those corrupting influences.  How can American or European Liberals accept that they are wrong about why they hate us, they hate us because of the Liberal ideals and what they see as blasphamy of everything from women's rights to the trash Hollowood calls art these days.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 27, 2015, 04:54:38 PM
Without delving into the skull cracking complexitiy of another Clinton drama, here is how I see it.

This whole thing is part and parcel of Iran getting a nuke, they are gonna get the Uranium in a trade deal with their big time oil client....Putin.  Oil for Uranium...get a nuke Mullah's and go to town.....In the mean time we'll make a secret deal with Isreal to sell them some anti missle defense system since the US won't.

Obamao (and Jarrett) had this whole 'sanctions' thing planned,,,,this Fishy deal is just part of it.

The Clintanista's are in it for the money.....AND...should the details come out Hillary will twist this whole thing around into some moral high ground that reads something like:

Well I was opposed to Russian Uranium deal and thats why I quit, I tried to dissuade Obamao but couldn't so I walked rather than be a part of it....some crap like that.

If she tosses Obama under the bus He will crucify her and Bill. How long before Obama unleashes his justice department over this and a thousand other things I'm sure he knows about if she turns on him!
The estimated worth of the Clintons is up to about 200 million! They were supposedly broke when Bill left office. Where did the money come from? Speaking Fees?

Quote from: redbeard on April 27, 2015, 05:11:56 PM
If she tosses Obama under the bus He will crucify her and Bill. How long before Obama unleashes his justice department over this and a thousand other things I'm sure he knows about if she turns on him!
The estimated worth of the Clintons is up to about 200 million! They were supposedly broke when Bill left office. Where did the money come from? Speaking Fees?

No not all.  Most from Chelsea Clinton piggy bank.   :tounge:

Quote from: redbeard on April 27, 2015, 05:11:56 PM
If she tosses Obama under the bus He will crucify her and Bill. How long before Obama unleashes his justice department over this and a thousand other things I'm sure he knows about if she turns on him!
The estimated worth of the Clintons is up to about 200 million! They were supposedly broke when Bill left office. Where did the money come from? Speaking Fees?

I was about to make the same post.  I agree with you totally!

Quote from: kroz on April 27, 2015, 05:19:20 PM
I was about to make the same post.  I agree with you totally!

I agree with you and Redbead...I will be surprized if this doesn't happen, as a matter of fact.  Obama and his marxists buddies are just getting their ducks in a row for the great purge!  They need a replacement candidate who they can install...let's see, Obama can't run again so who could it be? 

Quote from: wally on April 27, 2015, 05:26:02 PM
I agree with you and Redbead...I will be surprized if this doesn't happen, as a matter of fact.  Obama and his marxists buddies are just getting their ducks in a row for the great purge!  They need a replacement candidate who they can install...let's see, Obama can't run again so who could it be?

Civil unrest and martial law changes everything.......

Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2015, 05:12:40 PM
That was the point in my theory, get this all out in the open now, prove her innocence and they quickly forget, but walk a way thinking Klinton in innocent.

I think you are right in thinking Clinton entered the race hoping all the questions would end up going away by the times the elections rolled around

But I think this is bigger than that. Bill taking 700 thousand dollar speaking fees and then favors from donators when Hillery was secretary of state

Lets say the uranium deal,is bogus. You still have all the other scandals that are connected to the Clinton Foundation You can dismiss some of it. But not all

All her opponent would have to do is repeatedly bring up all the money they have collected and spent
Point out how Her and Bill are the 1%ers that the far left hate so much

I think Shes toast

Quote from: Norseman on April 27, 2015, 07:37:43 PM
I think you are right in thinking Clinton entered the race hoping all the questions would end up going away by the times the elections rolled around

But I think this is bigger than that. Bill taking 700 thousand dollar speaking fees and then favors from donators when Hillery was secretary of state

Lets say the uranium deal,is bogus. You still have all the other scandals that are connected to the Clinton Foundation You can dismiss some of it. But not all

All her opponent would have to do is repeatedly bring up all the money they have collected and spent
Point out how Her and Bill are the 1%ers that the far left hate so much

I think Shes toast

But that's the beauty of this scheme. This is being portrayed as huge, totally hyped as the biggest scandal of the decade, bigger than anything the Clinton's have been accused of.

But the problem is, they didn't break any laws. So what happens when all this has been beat to death in the media?
The people will pretty much be sick of all the "Bogus Clinton Scandals" and ignore Benghazi when we try and use it in the campaigns against her.

Hollywood couldn't have written a better plot, in fact, they probably helped devise this plot.
The Marxists know their target audience, like Pavlov new his dogs, and they'll respond just the way the party trained them to react.

Of course you I, and everyone here will be up at arms over Benghazi, but not the leftist base, they'll have grown weary of all the attacks against Hitlery, the "Female Victim" of a right wing attack.

Oh, and it was 500 K he got for speaking. Just to keep the facts straight.

Quote from: Solar on April 27, 2015, 08:14:50 PM
But that's the beauty of this scheme. This is being portrayed as huge, totally hyped as the biggest scandal of the decade, bigger than anything the Clinton's have been accused of.

But the problem is, they didn't break any laws. So what happens when all this has been beat to death in the media?
The people will pretty much be sick of all the "Bogus Clinton Scandals" and ignore Benghazi when we try and use it in the campaigns against her.

Hollywood couldn't have written a better plot, in fact, they probably helped devise this plot.
The Marxists know their target audience, like Pavlov new his dogs, and they'll respond just the way the party trained them to react.

Of course you I, and everyone here will be up at arms over Benghazi, but not the leftist base, they'll have grown weary of all the attacks against Hitlery, the "Female Victim" of a right wing attack.

Oh, and it was 500 K he got for speaking. Just to keep the facts straight.

I totally understand where you are coming from and if that wasnt there plan, I am sure that's the strategy they will take
They may not have broken any laws but it makes them look like money hungry sleeze bags. All her opponents would have to do is get the question out, where did all that money go?

The Clintons are everything the Wall street protesters and far left loons hate, and all you would need to do is keep pointing that out

If another Democrat decides to run against her, The right wing wouldn't have to say a word about it let them eat each other up.

I watched that Fox special, and He said on there it was 700 thousand, doesn't matter. It showed what opportunistic sleeze bags the Clintons really are.

If you are right, I think it will blow up in there faces

It looks like the MSM are jumping on this story too.

I think this race will be easy for the right if they can keep pushing how the Clintons are just the same elitists they hate

I have to agree with Solar and Taxed on this one.  This, like most of the schemes in the WH, has Obola, Jarrett, and Clintoon written all over it.  Obola has been good at playing dumb to what's been going in in his adm., saying that he heard about most of the goings on in the news, or that events like the Benghazi attack were caused by a video.  Stay with me, I will make my point.  No one on this forum believes that Obola and Jarrett are ill-informed as to what all WH members are doing.

Might I remind all of you of a statement that Obola made to Putin before his last election as president took place.  "I'll have more freedom after I'm re-elected".  To do what, pray tell?  This statement made it look like he was being intentionally subserviate to Putin.  What kinds of deals were they cooking up at that time?  Major but kissing on that one. 

Again, look at the statement that was made about the American public on the passage of Bozocare.  This scheme was done because Americans were stupid enough to fall for it.  Well, some americans anyway. 

QuoteClinton Foundation a 'slush fund' - lands on watchlist of shady charities

The Clinton family's mega-charity took in more than $140 million in grants and pledges in 2013 but spent just $9 million on direct aid.

  ....In all, the group reported $84.6 million in "functional expenses" on its 2013 tax return and had more than $64 million left over — money the organization has said represents pledges rather than actual cash on hand.

 

 

  Some of the tens of millions in administrative costs finance more than 2,000 employees, including aid workers and health professionals around the world.

  But that's still far below the 75 percent rate of spending that nonprofit experts say a good charity should spend on its mission.

"Far below" is putting it mildly. Reporting $140 million in grants and pledges - and then spending a little over 6% of that on actual aid - has raised more than a few eyebrows. In fact, prominent charity watchdogs have now decided that the Foundation is "problematic" and have added it to their watchlist. 
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/71488 (http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/71488)

Wow!! Give 100 dollars and 6 dollars might get used for the advertised charities! Outrageous! Here is another link to this story!

This slush fund is nothing more then a way to keep Clinton machine members employed until the build up for Hillary's campaign! All of their core people bought paid for and maintained. It's the Clinton's Acorn!

Quote from: keyboarder on April 28, 2015, 03:37:02 PM
I have to agree with Solar and Taxed on this one.  This, like most of the schemes in the WH, has Obola, Jarrett, and Clintoon written all over it.  Obola has been good at playing dumb to what's been going in in his adm., saying that he heard about most of the goings on in the news, or that events like the Benghazi attack were caused by a video.  Stay with me, I will make my point.  No one on this forum believes that Obola and Jarrett are ill-informed as to what all WH members are doing.

Might I remind all of you of a statement that Obola made to Putin before his last election as president took place.  "I'll have more freedom after I'm re-elected".  To do what, pray tell?  This statement made it look like he was being intentionally subserviate to Putin.  What kinds of deals were they cooking up at that time?  Major but kissing on that one. 

Again, look at the statement that was made about the American public on the passage of Bozocare.  This scheme was done because Americans were stupid enough to fall for it.  Well, some americans anyway.

I like the way you think and post!   :wink:

Quote from: redbeard on April 27, 2015, 05:11:56 PM
If she tosses Obama under the bus He will crucify her and Bill. How long before Obama unleashes his justice department over this and a thousand other things I'm sure he knows about if she turns on him!
The estimated worth of the Clintons is up to about 200 million! They were supposedly broke when Bill left office. Where did the money come from? Speaking Fees?

I don;t think anybody is tossing anybody under the bus, I think they planned the whole thing and the aftermath.

Obamao will step up and take one for the team and support whatever wild twist Hillary's spin doctors come up with.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 28, 2015, 05:15:45 PM
I don;t think anybody is tossing anybody under the bus, I think they planned the whole thing and the aftermath.

Obamao will step up and take one for the team and support whatever wild twist Hillary's spin doctors come up with.

Absolutely no way!!  Obama doesn't take one for anyone!

Quote from: kroz on April 28, 2015, 05:54:24 PM

Absolutely no way!!  Obama doesn't take one for anyone!

Maybe they'll blame it all on Biden!!  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: kroz on April 28, 2015, 05:54:24 PM

Absolutely no way!!  Obama doesn't take one for anyone!

Absolutely correct. Obama is all about Obama. This is a relationship of convenience. As long as each party have equal amounts of dirt it will be live and let live.

Quote from: kroz on April 28, 2015, 03:52:04 PM
I like the way you think and post!   :wink:

Thanx and you are a much welcomed poster with great input.  My biggest problem is finding time to post.  Here, you have to be able to back up what you say and I do ok at replying to the posts of others but have a hard time finding enough time to do research on topics that I might like to post.  Lots of items won't post at one link so I have to find what I'm looking for in an item that will post. 

How do you like our forum?  I ran acros s it when looking for another poster that I used to post with on another forum.  Great people here with great ideas.  Alot of them are accomplished and may have been journalists or writers.  The adm. and mods are also well versed.  It is an education just reading some of their ideas.  Plus, the comedic responses keep it light and enjoyable. 

Enjoy yourself and welcome.       Key   :biggrin:

QuoteWaPo Fact Checker Gives Clinton Foundation 3 Pinocchios


On Sunday, the Clinton Foundation's acting chief executive, Maura Pally, issued a statement saying that while the CGEP is publicly listed as a donor on the Clinton Foundation's website, its individual donors are omitted because under Canadian law "all charities are prohibited from disclosing donors without prior permission from each donor."

Pally's statement, according to the Post, implies a blanket Canadian law prohibiting charities from disclosing donor information without permission.

Not so, according to Fact Checker writer Michelle Ye Hee Lee.

"The charity's own memo says it is operating under federal obligations and its fiduciary duty for its board of directors," she writes. "The federal law does not explicitly ban charities from disclosing individual donor names without permission. In fact, it only applies to commercial use of personal information. The public release of donor names for a non-commercial purpose is not prohibited. The charity, however, interprets the release of donor records as 'bartering,' which experts have questioned."

Hillary Clinton, who is seeking the Democratic nomination for the presidency, has come under fire for the foundation's failure to disclose donors. A 2008 agreement between the Obama administration and Clinton, the former secretary of state, requires her to publicly do so, according to the newspaper.


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Washington-Post-fact-checker-clinton-foundation-pinocchios/2015/04/29/id/641534/#ixzz3YjmGxpxc (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Washington-Post-fact-checker-clinton-foundation-pinocchios/2015/04/29/id/641534/#ixzz3YjmGxpxc)

They are not going to be able to lie their way out of this!!

Quote from: redbeard on April 29, 2015, 02:49:50 PM
They are not going to be able to lie their way out of this!!

If only we had a real Justice Dept. that could investigate this and see if their is criminal wrongdoing.  They do this with other suspicious charities and Foundations. 

Quote from: wally on April 29, 2015, 03:55:45 PM
If only we had a real Justice Dept. that could investigate this and see if their is criminal wrongdoing.  They do this with other suspicious charities and Foundations.

Note it was the Washington post calling them out on their lies! one of the original 3 given access to the book!

QuoteHillary 'Bonds of Trust' Speech Draws Praise, Guffaws


The conservative NewsBusters website noted that the Vox author left out a line that received ridicule on Twitter:

"We must urgently begin to rebuild the bonds of trust and respect among Americans. Between police and citizens, yes, but also across society, restoring trust in our politics, our press, our markets, between and among neighbors and even people with whom we disagree politically."

National Journal's Ron Fournier wasn't impressed with that line either.

"I banged my head on my computer when I saw that," Fournier said on Fox News Channel's "Special Report," adding that Clinton's actions are "an assault on the public trust."

"If you're someone like me who actually thinks judicial reform is a very important policy and actually agrees a lot with what she had to say, this is especially frustrating because you can't lead, you can't get anything done if you can't be trusted," Fournier said. Clinton has violated ethics laws on both her personal emails and in foreign donations for the Clinton Foundation, he said.

'You can't on one hand talk about how we have to mend our political nature and mend our political ways and literally be assaulting the public trust," Fournier said.

Clinton still might be able to win the election if she is unable to get the controversy over donations to the foundation and her emails behind her, Fournier admitted.

"Fifty-one percent of the public may find the Republican nominee even less acceptable, even more repulsive than the Democratic nominee," he said. "So you've won the election and then what do you have? You're leading a country that is more polarized and has less trust in politics than you did before you came into office, and won't be able to get anything done."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/hillary-clinton-speech-trust-society/2015/04/29/id/641628/#ixzz3YkOu2aMj (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/hillary-clinton-speech-trust-society/2015/04/29/id/641628/#ixzz3YkOu2aMj)

'Bonds of Trust' 

Too funny!!:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: kroz on April 28, 2015, 05:54:24 PM

Absolutely no way!!  Obama doesn't take one for anyone!

He will in this case....look at all he's gotten away with, Obamao will step up and claim it was his idea to clear the way for Hillary to carry on the policies of destroying the country they both hate so much.

What is anybody gonna do....he's a lame duck.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 30, 2015, 05:00:53 PM
He will in this case....look at all he's gotten away with, Obamao will step up and claim it was his idea to clear the way for Hillary to carry on the policies of destroying the country they both hate so much.

What is anybody gonna do....he's a lame duck.

I just don't believe it is in his DNA......

You've got to know that he loathes the Clintons.  I suspect that there will be another candidate surface for the democrat ticket and THAT person may well get Obama's full support.  Hillary's hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper.  They are going to be forced to provide an alternative.  If they wait till the last minute, it could be Elizabeth Warren.  She doesn't need to declare early if she has Obama and his money behind her candidacy.  JMHO...

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 30, 2015, 05:00:53 PM
He will in this case....look at all he's gotten away with, Obamao will step up and claim it was his idea to clear the way for Hillary to carry on the policies of destroying the country they both hate so much.

What is anybody gonna do....he's a lame duck.

Naw! Obama is about Obama! Bill hates Obama and Obama hates the Clintons! Someone else is going to run and will get Obama's full support! Not Sanders but someone else! I still lay my money on Kerry after they pull off their Iranian deal and sell it to the low info voters as the greatest thing ever!! :popcorn: :popcorn:

Quote from: kroz on April 30, 2015, 05:11:47 PM
I just don't believe it is in his DNA......

You've got to know that he loathes the Clintons.  I suspect that there will be another candidate surface for the democrat ticket and THAT person may well get Obama's full support.  Hillary's hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper.  They are going to be forced to provide an alternative.  If they wait till the last minute, it could be Elizabeth Warren.  She doesn't need to declare early if she has Obama and his money behind her candidacy.  JMHO...

Oh sure he hates the Clintonista's....but politics makes strange bedfellows....if he didn't want Hillary to be the next President he would have never empowered her with the high profile position of Secretary of State. The problem is Hilary messed up Libya so bad that not even Obamao thought it would turn out that bad. It almost cost him the second term.
Hillary's resigning was the best thing she could have done to "save" her future bid.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 30, 2015, 05:40:54 PM
Oh sure he hates the Clintonista's....but politics makes strange bedfellows....if he didn't want Hillary to be the next President he would have never empowered her with the high profile position of Secretary of State. The problem is Hilary messed up Libya so bad that not even Obamao thought it would turn out that bad. It almost cost him the second term.
Hillary's resigning was the best thing she could have done to "save" her future bid.

Hillary's appointment was payback for the Clintons support in 2008 in the general! Doesn't mean he ever liked her! He will toss her under the bus faster then all his other supporters that embarrassed  him in the past! Some of the leaks have been attributed to the white house including the e-mail server scandal.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on April 30, 2015, 05:40:54 PM
Oh sure he hates the Clintonista's....but politics makes strange bedfellows....if he didn't want Hillary to be the next President he would have never empowered her with the high profile position of Secretary of State. The problem is Hilary messed up Libya so bad that not even Obamao thought it would turn out that bad. It almost cost him the second term.
Hillary's resigning was the best thing she could have done to "save" her future bid.

Ohh..  I think you misjudge Obama completely.

He didn't put Hillary in as his Secretary of State to help her career.  He put her there so he could keep her under his thumb.  She could not undermine his presidency if she was part of it.  And he would be constantly looking over her shoulder and calling the shots.  She was virtually his prisoner and that is why she quit.  She took the job because she wanted it on her resume' but she knew it would be a bugger bear under Obama.  Obama purely wanted to control her.  And that is exactly what he did..... she was forced to perpetrate his Benghazi lie and his Russia reset and many more things.  She was just a puppet.  She had no real authority in that role.

But, she will carry the baggage from that job.  In retrospect she wishes she had never taken that job!

Quote from: kroz on April 30, 2015, 06:10:51 PM
Ohh..  I think you misjudge Obama completely.

He didn't put Hillary in as his Secretary of State to help her career.  He put her there so he could keep her under his thumb.  She could not undermine his presidency if she was part of it.  And he would be constantly looking over her shoulder and calling the shots.  She was virtually his prisoner and that is why she quit.  She took the job because she wanted it on her resume' but she knew it would be a bugger bear under Obama.  Obama purely wanted to control her.  And that is exactly what he did..... she was forced to perpetrate his Benghazi lie and his Russia reset and many more things.  She was just a puppet.  She had no real authority in that role.

But, she will carry the baggage from that job.  In retrospect she wishes she had never taken that job!

No, I think the Benghazi lie and Russia reset was all Hillary! The you tube video? Her way of distracting from the real truth! The Reset Button? Hers too! She was a lousy secretary of state!

Quote from: redbeard on April 30, 2015, 06:23:02 PM
No, I think the Benghazi lie and Russia reset was all Hillary! The you tube video? Her way of distracting from the real truth! The Reset Button? Hers too! She was a lousy secretary of state!

The Benghazi lie was definitely Obama's doing.  He did not want any military intervention in Benghazi and when it went wrong he created a lie to cover his own ass.  He was the one calling the shots on the night of the attack and he was desperate to make it look like something it was not.  I do not believe Hillary created that lie at all.  It was Obama that needed Americans to believe it was just a protest against a video.

The video was a perfect villain for Obama because it was anti-islam and he hates anything anti-islam.  He got to put an innocent man in jail on trumped up charges!

I will never believe that anyone but Obama was behind the Benghazi lie.

In all likelihood he was probably the reason why Hillary denied extra security for the Ambassador.  Obama was probably giving the Egyptian MB an open door.  The only thing that went wrong was that the navy seals disobeyed their orders to "stand down".  Obama was not expecting that.   :ohmy:

Quote from: kroz on April 30, 2015, 06:36:22 PM
The Benghazi lie was definitely Obama's doing.  He did not want any military intervention in Benghazi and when it went wrong he created a lie to cover his own ass.  He was the one calling the shots on the night of the attack and he was desperate to make it look like something it was not.  I do not believe Hillary created that lie at all.  It was Obama that needed Americans to believe it was just a protest against a video.

The video was a perfect villain for Obama because it was anti-islam and he hates anything anti-islam.  He got to put an innocent man in jail on trumped up charges!

I will never believe that anyone but Obama was behind the Benghazi lie.

In all likelihood he was probably the reason why Hillary denied extra security for the Ambassador.  Obama was probably giving the Egyptian MB an open door.  The only thing that went wrong was that the navy seals disobeyed their orders to "stand down".  Obama was not expecting that.   :ohmy:

I agree. In six plus years we have learned that Obama/Jarrett try to control everything. The Libya deal was all Obama and Hillary just went along. We still don't know what Obama was doing that night.

Quote from: kroz on April 30, 2015, 06:36:22 PM
The Benghazi lie was definitely Obama's doing.  He did not want any military intervention in Benghazi and when it went wrong he created a lie to cover his own ass.  He was the one calling the shots on the night of the attack and he was desperate to make it look like something it was not.  I do not believe Hillary created that lie at all.  It was Obama that needed Americans to believe it was just a protest against a video.

The video was a perfect villain for Obama because it was anti-islam and he hates anything anti-islam.  He got to put an innocent man in jail on trumped up charges!

I will never believe that anyone but Obama was behind the Benghazi lie.

In all likelihood he was probably the reason why Hillary denied extra security for the Ambassador.  Obama was probably giving the Egyptian MB an open door.  The only thing that went wrong was that the navy seals disobeyed their orders to "stand down".  Obama was not expecting that.   :ohmy:

I agree!  There is no way that on the evening of SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2012, a little more than a month before Obama's reelection, that Obama was briefed about  what was occurring and went to bed, allowing others to handle it.  Obama had campaigned on AL QUADA IS DEAD AND I (personally) KILLED OSAMA BIN LADIN!   What sort of IDIOT would not be preparred for a retaliatory strike by AL Quada on the anniversary of their successful attacks on 9/11 2001.  One doesn't have to be a genuis to figure out that maybe, just possibly, the Muscum Terrorist might be a wee bit pissed at Obama bragging to the world about killing their Figurehead Leader and missing an opportunity to try to cause him political harm on the eve of his reelection.

Hillary was the person that was suppose to keep his tail out of this crack and Obama's' reelection cover story was that he was out of the loop. 

Boy, wouldn't it be something if Snowden had transcripts of texts between Obama and Clinton during the night of 9/11/2012.  (isn't it the NSA that encypted Obama''s Blackberry?)  If so, it would certainly explain why Obama told the Russian President to "tell Vladimir I will be able to be more flexible after the election".  It would explain why Obama has done nothing to stop Putin from doing anything he wants! 

Quote from: wally on May 01, 2015, 06:22:40 AM
I agree!  There is no way that on the evening of SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2012, a little more than a month before Obama's reelection, that Obama was briefed about  what was occurring and went to bed, allowing others to handle it.  Obama had campaigned on AL QUADA IS DEAD AND I (personally) KILLED OSAMA BIN LADIN!   What sort of IDIOT would not be preparred for a retaliatory strike by AL Quada on the anniversary of their successful attacks on 9/11 2001.  One doesn't have to be a genuis to figure out that maybe, just possibly, the Muscum Terrorist might be a wee bit pissed at Obama bragging to the world about killing their Figurehead Leader and missing an opportunity to try to cause him political harm on the eve of his reelection.

Hillary was the person that was suppose to keep his tail out of this crack and Obama's' reelection cover story was that he was out of the loop. 

Boy, wouldn't it be something if Snowden had transcripts of texts between Obama and Clinton during the night of 9/11/2012.  (isn't it the NSA that encypted Obama''s Blackberry?)  If so, it would certainly explain why Obama told the Russian President to "tell Vladimir I will be able to be more flexible after the election".  It would explain why Obama has done nothing to stop Putin from doing anything he wants!

I have often thought the same thing, wally.  Where is Snowden when we need him???   :thumbup:

Quote from: kroz on May 01, 2015, 05:48:46 PM
I have often thought the same thing, wally.  Where is Snowden when we need him???   :thumbup:

Probably waiting to unload damaging info against Republicans. Snowden is not exactly a showroom model for conservatives: the majority of leaks involve what happened on Bush's watch.

Quote from: quiller on May 02, 2015, 05:38:44 AM
Probably waiting to unload damaging info against Republicans. Snowden is not exactly a showroom model for conservatives: the majority of leaks involve what happened on Bush's watch.

Bush was no friend of Conservatives either.
I still applaud Snowden for giving us solid evidence that our govt is not here to help, and waking up an entire generation to the future of a potential 1984 scenario.

Quote from: Solar on May 02, 2015, 06:44:23 AM
Bush was no friend of Conservatives either.
I still applaud Snowden for giving us solid evidence that our govt is not here to help, and waking up an entire generation to the future of a potential 1984 scenario.

(*genteel snork*) I don't know where YOU got YOUR schoolin', podnuh, but I read "1984" and "Brave New World" in eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh and twelfth grades, and each new reading brought fresh insights into where we were headed. For example: author Eric Blair ("George Orwell") was a committed socialist. Today, socialists try everything they can to ignore his predictions, whereas the public itself cannot.

By the time it came out that NSA and ATT were lockstepping to intercept ALL, repeat ALL undersea cable traffic (the preferred data transmission method even today for the biggest banks), that die of government snooping was already cast...years before Snowden. The difference between that sort of snooping and what happens to private citizens is, of course, the real meat in these debates.

Were Snowden's disclosures more damaging to government credibility, or to national security? I say the latter, whereas you rightly do point out the damage to the former. The true extent of what Snowden did acquire is not yet known, but the closer to Election 2016 it's probable his most damaging-to-Republicans material is sure to leak out.

Lest I be accused of waffling so hard I need butter and syrup, let me also say Snowden should be hanged within ten minutes of reaching U.S. soil. But yea verily, the only thing different with him is the volume of material and the league of treasonists willing to help him.

Quote from: quiller on May 02, 2015, 07:09:47 AM
(*genteel snork*) I don't know where YOU got YOUR schoolin', podnuh, but I read "1984" and "Brave New World" in eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh and twelfth grades, and each new reading brought fresh insights into where we were headed. For example: author Eric Blair ("George Orwell") was a committed socialist. Today, socialists try everything they can to ignore his predictions, whereas the public itself cannot.

By the time it came out that NSA and ATT were lockstepping to intercept ALL, repeat ALL undersea cable traffic (the preferred data transmission method even today for the biggest banks), that die of government snooping was already cast...years before Snowden. The difference between that sort of snooping and what happens to private citizens is, of course, the real meat in these debates.

Were Snowden's disclosures more damaging to government credibility, or to national security? I say the latter, whereas you rightly do point out the damage to the former. The true extent of what Snowden did acquire is not yet known, but the closer to Election 2016 it's probable his most damaging-to-Republicans material is sure to leak out.

Lest I be accused of waffling so hard I need butter and syrup, let me also say Snowden should be hanged within ten minutes of reaching U.S. soil. But yea verily, the only thing different with him is the volume of material and the league of treasonists willing to help him.

You're 180 off of reality here pod-nuh. What he exposed hurts govt credibility as well as both party's equally.
I've given this a Hell of a lot of thought, and had I been in his position and privy to the truth of an overbearing and intrusive govt, the very one our Founders warned us about?

I too would have exposed the monster as well.. This behemoth isn't spying outwardly nearly as much as it is inwardly.
I don't know about you, but I'm not complacent with the idea of the govt knowing my every movement and will fight back against this entity where ever it comes creeping.

Do you seriously trust a govt that doesn't trust you?

Snowden deserves our thanks, not our ridicule. You may trust this govt, but I sure as Hell don't!

>Solar

He betrayed national security. That remains vastly paramount to the privacy issue which I do agree with you on.

I suppose I remain fixated on the idea that overall, despite political leanings, there are and always will be ethical people within the system who will expose these things through heretofore expected means. (Unexpected unicorns and pixie-dust? Nah. Faith in Americans.)

Snowden STOLE this stuff. To me there's an ethical point right there, added to the notion that what's out there ALREADY is only a portion of what he has. Everything he took needs to be tracked down and weighed on its own merit (to avoid your idea of trusting the government as a whole).

Quote from: quiller on May 02, 2015, 09:14:35 AM
>Solar

He betrayed national security. That remains vastly paramount to the privacy issue which I do agree with you on.

But did he? Look at what he exposed, all he did was embarrass Dims, he has yet to release anything we didn't already suspect.

QuoteI suppose I remain fixated on the idea that overall, despite political leanings, there are and always will be ethical people within the system who will expose these things through heretofore expected means. (Unexpected unicorns and pixie-dust? Nah. Faith in Americans.)

ummm, OK...?

QuoteSnowden STOLE this stuff. To me there's an ethical point right there

,
Exactly my point, what he did was the ethical thing to do.
Something  believe our Founders would applaud.

Quoteadded to the notion that what's out there ALREADY is only a portion of what he has. Everything he took needs to be tracked down and weighed on its own merit (to avoid your idea of trusting the government as a whole).

What he exposed was the truth, what he has left,(we have no idea), protects his ass from those that want him dead, which happens to be the Marxists.

As I said earlier, I too would have done the exact same thing, release just the right information, without endangering lives.

Snowden is definitely a paradox.

I have one foot in each side of this dilemma.  I think Snowden did something important for all Americans but I think he did it wrong.  Going to Russia was a big, big mistake.  You know that Putin got what he wanted from Snowden.  Putin is a lot smarter than Snowden.  He was out of his element in Russia.

Snowden is no paradox, while many applaud him for exposing the Dim Govt, I can't help but wonder WHAT ElSE Snowden bargained with. It HAD to be something other than outing the Obamao Regime and the NSA

Here are just some thoughts.

I find it highly suspicious that Snowden who was essentially a Govt Hacker who knew how to hack into EVERYONES' email and bypass the best security systems that PRIVATE INDUSTRY concocted end s up working for some Russian "internet security" firm and after that Target is getting hack, tens of thousands of US BANK accounts get hacked, VISA, MASTER CHARGE etc  etc. all all that crap is traced back to China and Russia...two enemy countries. And that means that more than just the Dems pants got pulled down, that means that tens of thousands of innocent American citizens were impacted adversely by the little weasle

We don;t know what international Undercover agents, double agents spying on enemy countries and Protected informers
were exposed, people "disappeared" and what US intelligence programs designed to protect the USA were exposed.

Now here is a disturbing thought that I have pondered for quite some time.

The OBAMAO regime could have stopped Snowden in his tracks IF THEY WANTED TOO....But Hussein sort of shrugged it off and even made jokes about it. Obamao knew exactly what Snowden had, he knew the damage it would do to the USA....MAYBE THATS WHY HE GAVE SNOWDEN A PASS.....Anything that harms the US internationally diminishes our capacity to defend ourselves he is all for. ANything that harms Big Business, commerce, corporations that he hates is all good and well with him.

Can you imagine what would have Happened under Reagan had Snowden pulled this crap? We'd have parked an aircraft carrier in Mirs bay and warned the Chinese that any aircraft leaving HK international with him aboard would be escorted to Guam by a squad of F1 11's

Under the CLinton regime anybody who dissed Bill so (and vicariously Hillary) would have ended up swimming in Hong Kong Bay with cinderblocks wired to their feet.

Under Bush Snowden would be in a strait jacket in a CIA secret prison somewhere babbling in an isolation cell with all sort of drugs scrambling his brains

And in the end what damage did Snowden's little sock puppet show do the Obamunists?    Not a blessed thing

If Snowden is to be believed, he didn't steal passwords or hack anything, he simply logged in to a system that was woefully unprotected.
Personally, I believe him. Why lie?

QuoteSnowden had previously said he didn't steal any passwords or trick his co-workers.

http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-14/story-edward-snowden-so-unbelievable-sometimes-you-forget-its-nonfiction (http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-14/story-edward-snowden-so-unbelievable-sometimes-you-forget-its-nonfiction)

Quote from: Solar on May 03, 2015, 04:16:52 PM
If Snowden is to be believed, he didn't steal passwords or hack anything, he simply logged in to a system that was woefully unprotected.
Personally, I believe him. Why lie?

http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-14/story-edward-snowden-so-unbelievable-sometimes-you-forget-its-nonfiction (http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-14/story-edward-snowden-so-unbelievable-sometimes-you-forget-its-nonfiction)

Have no idea what Snowden had and still does.  Do I question his giving any of it to Putin?  Well, put it this way, he now has a new home whether he wants it in Russia or not.  His error?  Stealing information via internet/however, no worse than what the government that wants to punish him has done.  Where do some of you think that we shouldn't just band together, go to DC and demand those scoundrels in government be outed for good and made answerable for the mistrust they have created?  Punish a citizen for the exact same thing they have done?  Snowden was and is only playing this game by their rules. 

Quote from: keyboarder on May 03, 2015, 05:24:07 PM
Have no idea what Snowden had and still does.  Do I question his giving any of it to Putin?  Well, put it this way, he now has a new home whether he wants it in Russia or not.  His error?  Stealing information via internet/however, no worse than what the government that wants to punish him has done.  Where do some of you think that we shouldn't just band together, go to DC and demand those scoundrels in government be outed for good and made answerable for the mistrust they have created?  Punish a citizen for the exact same thing they have done?  Snowden was and is only playing this game by their rules.

Exactly! They never asked us for the information, and in many cases never got a warrant.

If an officer of the court was giving information to the DA, that was privy to the defendant in a trial, and someone turned them in, are they considered traitors as well?

I'll say it again. Had I been in his shoes, and found out our govt was breaking all the laws they are sworn to protect....As a Conservative? It is incumbent upon me as a citizen to expose them.
We're not liberals, where breaking the rules is acceptable.

Quote from: Solar on May 03, 2015, 04:16:52 PM
If Snowden is to be believed, he didn't steal passwords or hack anything, he simply logged in to a system that was woefully unprotected.
Personally, I believe him. Why lie?

http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-14/story-edward-snowden-so-unbelievable-sometimes-you-forget-its-nonfiction (http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-14/story-edward-snowden-so-unbelievable-sometimes-you-forget-its-nonfiction)

Yeah I'm sure he hasTremendous credibility..... :rolleyes:

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 03, 2015, 07:01:46 PM

Yeah I'm sure he hasTremendous credibility..... :rolleyes:

Like I said, I put myself in his shoes, because sometimes events are bigger than the individual.
Had this happened 30 years ago, I'd have called for his execution.

But the US is nothing like it was 30 years back. It's downright Marxist in it's direction, and anything that exposes these bastards for the traitors to the Constitution they've become, Then in my book, Snowden is a hero.

Billy, I have no doubt you and I see eye to eye on how traitors to the nation should be dealt with.
But the line has become seriously blurred since the Establishment and Marxists have screwed everything up.
The real traitor sits in the WH....

Quote from: quiller on May 02, 2015, 05:38:44 AM
Probably waiting to unload damaging info against Republicans. Snowden is not exactly a showroom model for conservatives: the majority of leaks involve what happened on Bush's watch.

AGREED!  Politics makes very strange bedfellows.  Although Benedict Arnold's name has become synonomous with "Traitor", he made great contibutions to the cause of our Liberty and our untimate defeat of the British.  Arguably, before Gen. Arnold  betrayed us, his victories laid a foundation for our eventual success.

Eric Snowden is a dispicable Traitor, as was Benedict Arnold.  Snowden took it upon himself to do what he believed was in the best interests of his fellow citizens, by betraying the goverment he was pledged to serve (much the same as the Traitor, Benedict Arnold).

The secrets he learned about our goverment, drove him to do what he thought best and betray those  people. How much of what Eric Snowden discovered is actually known to the American people.  I'm sure Vladimir Putin knows a whole lot about our former Sec. of State and our President and Attorney General and all  the other (as of yet) unidicted co-conspitators.  It presents a plausible argument as to why Putin is acting as if he has nothing to fear from this goverment! 

As much as I hold Eric Snowden in contempt, if he does have the goods on Obama and Clinton and "all the President's men" I would agree it is in the best interest of our country that he be granted immunity in exchange for the evidence to bring this goverment down and thus restore the rule of law.
Dispicable criminals are granted immunity all the times, in order to unravel an ongoing criminal conspiracy; which many of us suspect this goverment has become!

Quote from: wally on May 04, 2015, 08:00:08 AM
AGREED! ( . . . )

Eric Snowden is a dispicable Traitor, as was Benedict Arnold.  Snowden took it upon himself to do what he believed was in the best interests of his fellow citizens, by betraying the goverment he was pledged to serve (much the same as the Traitor, Benedict Arnold). (. . . )

As much as I hold Eric Snowden in contempt, if he does have the goods on Obama and Clinton and "all the President's men" I would agree it is in the best interest of our country that he be granted immunity in exchange for the evidence to bring this goverment down and thus restore the rule of law.

Dispicable criminals are granted immunity all the times, in order to unravel an ongoing criminal conspiracy; which many of us suspect this goverment has become!

Take that, copper!  :thumbsup:

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Granted immunity by the Lynch mob at DOJ? Even if Gowdy gets a true bill of goods against these trash, Lynch will shelve it faster than the eye can follow (or the First Circuit "decides" on some obscure point only and ignores the rest of the issue).

After the Fitzgerald debacle it isn't likely they'll renew the special prosecutor law, so without that to justify sidestepping DOJ, where else could this go? Does Gowdy have the weight to swing renewal of that prosecutorial avenue? How strong is his Congressional support here, anyway?

Quote from: wally on May 04, 2015, 08:00:08 AM
AGREED!  Politics makes very strange bedfellows.  Although Benedict Arnold's name has become synonomous with "Traitor", he made great contibutions to the cause of our Liberty and our untimate defeat of the British.  Arguably, before Gen. Arnold  betrayed us, his victories laid a foundation for our eventual success.

Eric Snowden is a dispicable Traitor, as was Benedict Arnold.  Snowden took it upon himself to do what he believed was in the best interests of his fellow citizens, by betraying the goverment he was pledged to serve (much the same as the Traitor, Benedict Arnold).

The secrets he learned about our goverment, drove him to do what he thought best and betray those  people. How much of what Eric Snowden discovered is actually known to the American people.  I'm sure Vladimir Putin knows a whole lot about our former Sec. of State and our President and Attorney General and all  the other (as of yet) unidicted co-conspitators.  It presents a plausible argument as to why Putin is acting as if he has nothing to fear from this goverment! 

As much as I hold Eric Snowden in contempt, if he does have the goods on Obama and Clinton and "all the President's men" I would agree it is in the best interest of our country that he be granted immunity in exchange for the evidence to bring this goverment down and thus restore the rule of law.
Dispicable criminals are granted immunity all the times, in order to unravel an ongoing criminal conspiracy; which many of us suspect this goverment has become!

My point exactly with the taking of the oath.  Obola took the same oath  and where has this lead us?  When the sacred oath means little if nothing to a leader of a country, where DO we go from here?  I grew up with having all the due respect for my country and it's leaders, thinking that learned people surely knew better about these choices than I.   What a joke on me that has turned out.  Now, I have nothing but disdain for any of them except our country.  I think our country will gain under sane, sensible, conservative  leadership but also a very non-self serving collection of individuals with no interest other than saving the country and it's people from being destroyed. 

Quote from: keyboarder on May 04, 2015, 09:12:56 AM
My point exactly with the taking of the oath.  Obola took the same oath  and where has this lead us?  When the sacred oath means little if nothing to a leader of a country, where DO we go from here?  I grew up with having all the due respect for my country and it's leaders, thinking that learned people surely knew better about these choices than I.   What a joke on me that has turned out.  Now, I have nothing but disdain for any of them except our country.  I think our country will gain under sane, sensible, conservative  leadership but also a very non-self serving collection of individuals with no interest other than saving the country and it's people from being destroyed.

I took my oath of office every four years and I am no different than millions of others of us who held our oathes sacred. I have nothing but contmept forthe lowlifes who betray(ed) their oath and became criminals themselves.  I have not waivered in my belief in the words and meaning of the oath one takes to unhold the laws and our Constitution.  I believe we surround them; everyone who has ever served in any branch of the military, or held any elected or appointed office for state, local or federal goverment.  Those who fail to live up to the standard of the oath they have sworn ought to be removed from office..en masse!  Anyone who has additionally committed any crime, ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  Future generations need to know that oathes matter, as does our COnstitution and the rule of law.

When people have had enough of the lawlessness of their Public Servants, we will take our country back!  The real unknown question is: what will it take for the American people to have had enough and are willing to stand up for America!

Quote from: wally on May 04, 2015, 12:09:19 PM
I took my oath of office every four years and I am no different than millions of others of us who held our oathes sacred. I have nothing but contmept forthe lowlifes who betray(ed) their oath and became criminals themselves.  I have not waivered in my belief in the words and meaning of the oath one takes to unhold the laws and our Constitution.  I believe we surround them; everyone who has ever served in any branch of the military, or held any elected or appointed office for state, local or federal goverment.  Those who fail to live up to the standard of the oath they have sworn ought to be removed from office..en masse!  Anyone who has additionally committed any crime, ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.  Future generations need to know that oathes matter, as does our COnstitution and the rule of law.

When people have had enough of the lawlessness of their Public Servants, we will take our country back!  The real unknown question is: what will it take for the American people to have had enough and are willing to stand up for America!

Isn't breaking your oath of office grounds for dismissal from a civil service job? If it isn't that is a law congress should waist no time passing! It could assist in the Purge after the 2016 election!!

Quote from: redbeard on May 04, 2015, 01:12:07 PM
Isn't breaking your oath of office grounds for dismissal from a civil service job? If it isn't that is a law congress should waist no time passing! It could assist in the Purge after the 2016 election!!

There was a time in America when such things mattered!  Unfortuanetly, the CHANGE that so many now seem to BELIEVE in has all but eliminated any HOPE that our nation will develop the conscience that was the guiding principle our father's generation followed, long before the rule of long required certain conduct.  The majority of people didn't have to be curtailed by a law, or adhere to an oath in order to act in a morally correct manner.  It was a time when civics was taught in schools, where prayer in school was allowed and the pledge of alliegance was not something a child could refuse to participate in.

Quote from: redbeard on May 04, 2015, 01:12:07 PM
Isn't breaking your oath of office grounds for dismissal from a civil service job? If it isn't that is a law congress should waist no time passing! It could assist in the Purge after the 2016 election!!

I don't see why not.
In a court of law when you ""swear to the tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me GOD", (later amended by atheists) you'd have been held on contempt charges and lying to the court if you were caught lying.

I see no reason, an oath should hold any less gravity now, be it Military or public office. Lock these bassturds up right now!

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
I don't see why not.
In a court of law when you ""swear to the tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me GOD", (later amended by atheists) you'd have been held on contempt charges and lying to the court if you were caught lying.

I see no reason, an oath should hold any less gravity now, be it Military or public office. Lock these bassturds up right now!

At the very least it should be grounds for dismal just as lying on your resume would be. It should be canonized by law. a separate bill authorizing discharge on these grounds now so when we get the new administration they will have the tools to remove these people regardless of their unions! Civil employees are damn near imposable to fire! The house and senate should be using every method they have to push through changes to the civil service code to give the tools to the next administration!

Quote from: redbeard on May 04, 2015, 04:30:13 PM
At the very least it should be grounds for dismal just as lying on your resume would be. It should be canonized by law. a separate bill authorizing discharge on these grounds now so when we get the new administration they will have the tools to remove these people regardless of their unions! Civil employees are damn near imposable to fire! The house and senate should be using every method they have to push through changes to the civil service code to give the tools to the next administration!

I've no doubt it's already on the books, "Lying Under Oath" but that would take conviction of ones oath to hold another to ones conviction, wouldn't it?
In other words, it would appear that an oath is mere formality for us plebes, while the Generals (elected officials) are held above such meaningless tripe..

"We The People" are the Govt, it's long past time we remind them of that, and kick these bassturds to the curb, all the while ridiculing them for their acts.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 04:42:21 PM
I've no doubt it's already on the books, "Lying Under Oath" but that would take conviction of ones oath to hold another to ones conviction, wouldn't it?
In other words, it would appear that an oath is mere formality for us plebes, while the Generals (elected officials) are held above such meaningless tripe..

"We The People" are the Govt, it's long past time we remind them of that, and kick these bassturds to the curb, all the while ridiculing them for their acts.

The only chance the next president will have to clean up the Obozo mess is to have the tools to clean house in the agencies under his control. A lot of people must go!!

Was that the week I had the stroke? Oh, yeah, I think it was.  :scared:

Quote from: Solar on May 03, 2015, 08:01:04 PM
Like I said, I put myself in his shoes, because sometimes events are bigger than the individual.
Had this happened 30 years ago, I'd have called for his execution.

But the US is nothing like it was 30 years back. It's downright Marxist in it's direction, and anything that exposes these bastards for the traitors to the Constitution they've become, Then in my book, Snowden is a hero.

Billy, I have no doubt you and I see eye to eye on how traitors to the nation should be dealt with.
But the line has become seriously blurred since the Establishment and Marxists have screwed everything up.
The real traitor sits in the WH....

YEs the real traitor stis in the white House, and all other branches of the Govt right on down to the infiltration of thousands of them in the Govt at all Levels. The next poor SOB who is president (And I hope that is Ted Cruz) is going to have a nest of these vipers to clear out, they are embedded in the Govt and will be for years to come. So they are all traitorious no good marxist SOB in my Opinion and the Govt needs a major enema from top to bottom.

But two wrongs never did and still doesn't make a right.

Hero's don't turn over information to enemy Govt's to expose the wrong doing in their own. Did this information SAVE anyone's life, or Take anyone's life?, which do you, as a reasonable man, think it is?

whatever his intentions, SNOWDEN KNEW he could not control the situation once these enemy nations got hold of whatever he gave them....AND we still really don;t know what all he gave them besides that which "proved" Obamunists lied, that means we still don't know how much damage Snowden has caused or could cause with his defection. Once again I suspect the average citizen who has a bank account or used a credit card at Target was likely the end recipient of Snowdens "heroism".

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 04, 2015, 06:05:29 PM
YEs the real traitor stis in the white House, and all other branches of the Govt right on down to the infiltration of thousands of them in the Govt at all Levels. The next poor SOB who is president (And I hope that is Ted Cruz) is going to have a nest of these vipers to clear out, they are embedded in the Govt and will be for years to come. So they are all traitorious no good marxist SOB in my Opinion and the Govt needs a major enema from top to bottom.

But two wrongs never did and still doesn't make a right.

Hero's don't turn over information to enemy Govt's to expose the wrong doing in their own. Did this information SAVE anyone's life, or Take anyone's life?, which do you, as a reasonable man, think it is?

whatever his intentions, SNOWDEN KNEW he could not control the situation once these enemy nations got hold of whatever he gave them....AND we still really don;t know what all he gave them besides that which "proved" Obamunists lied, that means we still don't know how much damage Snowden has caused or could cause with his defection. Once again I suspect the average citizen who has a bank account or used a credit card at Target was likely the end recipient of Snowdens "heroism".

We don't know what the collateral damage was, but you can be assured, if the Marxist had found a victim, it would have made news of the year. They didn't and there wasn't.

But here's my issue. We have the NSA spying on Americans, claiming it's for our own good.
Then why do we have a Marxist and party of Marxists funneling in millions of illegals across the border, including terrorists with the help of the Establishment GOP?
Wouldn't it make sense to stop countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc, from entering the country?
Instead of focusing on returning Vets and calling them potential terrorists?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/?page=all)

Who's the real enemy here? It sure as Hell isn't the patriots!

Instead, many see Snowden as the traitor, when in truth he exposed the real enemy, the truth of what is really going on here.
That our own Govt is spying on it's citizens in search of Patriots willing to fight this radical jihad by leftists against the American people.

Quote from: redbeard on May 04, 2015, 05:05:41 PM
The only chance the next president will have to clean up the Obozo mess is to have the tools to clean house in the agencies under his control. A lot of people must go!!

This is the deal as I have been told.....  It is the federal employee's union that has made it impossible to fire anyone.  Leadership has bowed to their demands.

It will take the spirit of Ronald Reagan to break this union.  He broke the air traffic controllers' union.  Our next President must break this union!!

Only THEN will we be able to purge the bureaucracies of the sleaze and dead wood.

Quote from: kroz on May 04, 2015, 07:00:41 PM
This is the deal as I have been told.....  It is the federal employee's union that has made it impossible to fire anyone.  Leadership has bowed to their demands.

It will take the spirit of Ronald Reagan to break this union. He broke the air traffic controllers' union.  Our next President must break this union!!

Only THEN will we be able to purge the bureaucracies of the sleaze and dead wood.

Oh I wish I was old enough to remember that one.  How I would have enjoyed that.

Quote from: kroz on May 04, 2015, 07:00:41 PM
This is the deal as I have been told.....  It is the federal employee's union that has made it impossible to fire anyone.  Leadership has bowed to their demands.

It will take the spirit of Ronald Reagan to break this union.  He broke the air traffic controllers' union.  Our next President must break this union!!

Only THEN will we be able to purge the bureaucracies of the sleaze and dead wood.

Force them to strike, then bust the damn Union like Reagan did. :thumbsup:
If that doesn't work, EO the shit out of them.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 07:04:33 PM
Force them to strike, then bust the damn Union like Reagan did. :thumbsup:
If that doesn't work, EO the shit out of them.

I don't like EO's! If where've learned anything in the last couple years it is that limits must be put on their use! I really want to hear one of our conservatives commit to working with congress to do just that!

Quote from: redbeard on May 04, 2015, 07:13:14 PM
I don't like EO's! If where've learned anything in the last couple years it is that limits must be put on their use! I really want to hear one of our conservatives commit to working with congress to do just that!

I agree....At the end of Cruz' second term, he has a lot of Marxist shit to clean up.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 07:22:15 PM
I agree....At the end of Cruz' second term, he has a lot of Marxist shit to clean up.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 07:22:15 PM
I agree....At the end of Cruz' second term, he has a lot of Marxist shit to clean up.

Well I'm talking about his second week in office he can rescind all the Obama EO's the first week! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 07:22:15 PM
I agree....At the end of Cruz' second term, he has a lot of Marxist shit to clean up.

And at the beginning of his first term, he's going to have to steam clean the hell out of the Oval Office and bedrooms.  Who knows what stuff has gone on in there...

Quote from: taxed on May 04, 2015, 07:58:17 PM
And at the beginning of his first term, he's going to have to steam clean the hell out of the Oval Office and bedrooms.  Who knows what stuff has gone on in there...

This is one time I''m all for paying for his redecorating of the Oval office, and get rid of that God Awful shit Moochelle chose.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 08:00:55 PM
This is one time I''m all for paying for his redecorating of the Oval office, and get rid of that God Awful shit Moochelle chose.

We should also maybe let him burn some sage and get out whatever darkness is lurking in those corners...  his mother-in-law probably sacrificed one-to-many goats.

Before fumigating, rip up every bit of the old carpet, toss out the drapes, burn any furniture not deemed historical-value, and bring in specialists to determine Obama didn't somehow damage the building's foundations --- like the Muslim Maggot did to our Constitution.

Inventory remaining property and begin proceedings to recover what they stole. (If the drapes are gone, Fat Ass just got herself a new dress.)

Maybe by Week 4 when the bomb squad and the security people finally clear the building of bugs (explosive, actual, or auditory) --- then move in from Camp David.

By then Churchill's bust and Ronnie Reagan's portrait will be back in the Oval Office. Let the new President who sees these have their faith in democracy. Let someone finally mean it (again) that the buck stops here.

Quote from: taxed on May 04, 2015, 08:07:26 PM
...  his mother-in-law probably sacrificed one-to-many goats.

LOL....you sure it wasn't chickens?  I think she's into Santeria voodoo.

Quote from: taxed on May 04, 2015, 08:07:26 PM
We should also maybe let him burn some sage and get out whatever darkness is lurking in those corners...  his mother-in-law probably sacrificed one-to-many goats.

Better yet Alert the Arch Diocese in Washington DC and have the Bishop Petition his Holiness the Pope for a whole platoon of exorcists, notify DC engine co #12 to be on hand with a pumper truck filled with holy water and hose down the entire premises as well as the executive office building.

Quote from: Solar on May 04, 2015, 06:24:42 PM
We don't know what the collateral damage was, but you can be assured, if the Marxist had found a victim, it would have made news of the year. They didn't and there wasn't.

But here's my issue. We have the NSA spying on Americans, claiming it's for our own good.
Then why do we have a Marxist and party of Marxists funneling in millions of illegals across the border, including terrorists with the help of the Establishment GOP?
Wouldn't it make sense to stop countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria etc, from entering the country?
Instead of focusing on returning Vets and calling them potential terrorists?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/?page=all)

Who's the real enemy here? It sure as Hell isn't the patriots!

Instead, many see Snowden as the traitor, when in truth he exposed the real enemy, the truth of what is really going on here.
That our own Govt is spying on it's citizens in search of Patriots willing to fight this radical jihad by leftists against the American people.

I disagree, any victimology would have impacted Hussein even more negatively, we would have known EXACTLY who NSA was checking out and why and any aggrievement would translate into a lawsuit, or in the case of corporations no more campaign funds for you. Instead nobody knows nuttin' and nobody will. The Marxists had a perfect solution in letting Snowden go when they could have taken him soooo easily in Hong Kong. Capture him and any info he stole would have to be presented as evidence in open court.

Let me make this last point, some what belabored, so you might understand how this whole thing impacts me personally.

Yeh we know the nasty SOB are out to harm America and consider those of us who are conservative and true patriot "the enemy".....but other than the fact that what NSA did was an invasion of privacy and against the Constitution and some
Govt Bureacrats were caught lying....HOW DID ANY OF THIS INFORMATION they collected cause any real harm, yeah potentially they could destroy our lives but did they? Or were they holding this in reserve for some future sinister purpose?

Well now look at it this way, whatever information our own bunch of traitorious bureaucrats and Marxists had, NOW the CHinese and Russians have.

Now here is the personal part.

Its a real safe bet that I was one of the people who got "Monitored" by NSA as many of my private emails to back in the USA my family were collected it appppears that they concentrated on Emails going into and out of hte United States, so for years I worked in Southeast Asia, I did security work, I trained Military and Police forces of those countries and wasn't the only one doing that, lots and Lots of ex patriate Americans, former Cops, FBI, Military and US GOvt doing the same thing. Likewise, they got the Govt scrutiny as well,  Like many of my fellow Ex Pat's I married a foreign spouse, one who happened to be CHinese from a family of CHINESE ex patriates who were anti communists and more on the order of the Chinese Nationalists in Taiwan, they spread all through Asia before WW2, Manila, SIngapore, Jakarta, Bangkok etc, After the wreckage of WW2 they severed all ties with China and the communists and set up their own businesses in those respective countries, becoming wealthy and well off, thumbing their nose at Mao and his reds.

You have no idea how Beijing hates these people, they would do anything to bollix them, their business their lives etc etc. So here we are, Billy Marries into a Chinese Family of Well off Business people with interests all over Asia, Billy's personal emails back to the US with wedding Pictures, family members faces are monitored and collected by NSA. Now its bad enough the Govt Has it, but since I'm doing security work, the State Department knows all about me anyhow. Now they got my Spouse and her family all on record....they do anyhow because Mrs Billy had been to the USA on business before and had a visa.

Now along comes Snowden who steals all this shit and hands it over to the Red CHinese for what some presume is the noble purpose of exposing Hussein. Not just me, but hundreds maybe thousands of other American Expatriates living all over Asia and other parts of the world with Chinese or Chinese mix spouses, business partners etc etc.potentially have their lived given over to a Foreign hostile govt.  Beijing literally is jerking off at all the information they have been handed on a silver platter, they can retaliate in a hundred different ways and ruin dozens of businesses, business ventures, steal money, hack etc etc. and they can sit on this information and use it at the right time.

"the breath of the dragon covers the world" as one of our relatives is fond about saying of Beijing.

How has the USA been hurt or damaged? The very fact that Hussein allowed Snowden to pull this off has destroyed confidence in the USA, lots of Corporations in many different countries and the Govt themselves of said country don't want any part of us over this.....we know the US govt is monitoring us (Our Govt Monitor you and us as well) we know that, but you cannot insure safeguarding of such secrets that you amass when you allow the Snowdens of the world to get away with what he did and don't lift a finger to stop him.

Bejing (and of course Moscow) can continue to do subtle and overt damage to the USA in dozens of ways, leaking little bits of information gleaned from this theft to the detriment of the USA AND OUR ALLIES AND BUSINESS PARTNERS economically,  prestigeously etc etc.

INFORMATION is a very powerful weapon....In this manner Snowden is much worse an entity than the morons who leave the USA and go fight for ISIS....come to think of it, no one in our govt does anything to stop them either.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 05, 2015, 06:30:00 AM
I disagree, any victimology would have impacted Hussein even more negatively, we would have known EXACTLY who NSA was checking out and why and any aggrievement would translate into a lawsuit, or in the case of corporations no more campaign funds for you. Instead nobody knows nuttin' and nobody will. The Marxists had a perfect solution in letting Snowden go when they could have taken him soooo easily in Hong Kong. Capture him and any info he stole would have to be presented as evidence in open court.

Let me make this last point, some what belabored, so you might understand how this whole thing impacts me personally.

Yeh we know the nasty SOB are out to harm America and consider those of us who are conservative and true patriot "the enemy".....but other than the fact that what NSA did was an invasion of privacy and against the Constitution and some
Govt Bureacrats were caught lying....HOW DID ANY OF THIS INFORMATION they collected cause any real harm, yeah potentially they could destroy our lives but did they? Or were they holding this in reserve for some future sinister purpose?

Well now look at it this way, whatever information our own bunch of traitorious bureaucrats and Marxists had, NOW the CHinese and Russians have.

Now here is the personal part.

Its a real safe bet that I was one of the people who got "Monitored" by NSA as many of my private emails to back in the USA my family were collected it appppears that they concentrated on Emails going into and out of hte United States, so for years I worked in Southeast Asia, I did security work, I trained Military and Police forces of those countries and wasn't the only one doing that, lots and Lots of ex patriate Americans, former Cops, FBI, Military and US GOvt doing the same thing. Likewise, they got the Govt scrutiny as well,  Like many of my fellow Ex Pat's I married a foreign spouse, one who happened to be CHinese from a family of CHINESE ex patriates who were anti communists and more on the order of the Chinese Nationalists in Taiwan, they spread all through Asia before WW2, Manila, SIngapore, Jakarta, Bangkok etc, After the wreckage of WW2 they severed all ties with China and the communists and set up their own businesses in those respective countries, becoming wealthy and well off, thumbing their nose at Mao and his reds.

You have no idea how Beijing hates these people, they would do anything to bollix them, their business their lives etc etc. So here we are, Billy Marries into a Chinese Family of Well off Business people with interests all over Asia, Billy's personal emails back to the US with wedding Pictures, family members faces are monitored and collected by NSA. Now its bad enough the Govt Has it, but since I'm doing security work, the State Department knows all about me anyhow. Now they got my Spouse and her family all on record....they do anyhow because Mrs Billy had been to the USA on business before and had a visa.

Now along comes Snowden who steals all this shit and hands it over to the Red CHinese for what some presume is the noble purpose of exposing Hussein. Not just me, but hundreds maybe thousands of other American Expatriates living all over Asia and other parts of the world with Chinese or Chinese mix spouses, business partners etc etc.potentially have their lived given over to a Foreign hostile govt.  Beijing literally is jerking off at all the information they have been handed on a silver platter, they can retaliate in a hundred different ways and ruin dozens of businesses, business ventures, steal money, hack etc etc. and they can sit on this information and use it at the right time.

"the breath of the dragon covers the world" as one of our relatives is fond about saying of Beijing.

How has the USA been hurt or damaged? The very fact that Hussein allowed Snowden to pull this off has destroyed confidence in the USA, lots of Corporations in many different countries and the Govt themselves of said country don't want any part of us over this.....we know the US govt is monitoring us (Our Govt Monitor you and us as well) we know that, but you cannot insure safeguarding of such secrets that you amass when you allow the Snowdens of the world to get away with what he did and don't lift a finger to stop him.

Bejing (and of course Moscow) can continue to do subtle and overt damage to the USA in dozens of ways, leaking little bits of information gleaned from this theft to the detriment of the USA AND OUR ALLIES AND BUSINESS PARTNERS economically,  prestigeously etc etc.

INFORMATION is a very powerful weapon....In this manner Snowden is much worse an entity than the morons who leave the USA and go fight for ISIS....come to think of it, no one in our govt does anything to stop them either.

I understand, but this is assuming our enemies didn't already have it.
I believe they do, and did long before Snowden, and what Snowden gave them, if any, is merely confirmation of what they already suspected.
If someone as innocuous as a Snowden, can get to classified secrets in abundance the way he did, it's a given that the enemy already had what he took and more.

The only damage Snowden did, was to this administration, in turn exposed what the Marxists have been doing. Using the IRS in targeting political enemies of the Marxists is only the tip of the iceberg, to assume they aren't using the NSA along the same lines? Ask Sheryl Atkinson what she thinks of this administration.

There is no doubt in my mind what Snowden did was illegal, but when you consider who the Marshal is and what laws he's enforcing and against whom, Snowden did all of us a favor by exposing these Marxists in how they're gathering info on us, the American people.

To reiterate my earlier point. Why are they spying on us, while not only do they leave the door open at the border, but purposefully go out of their way to ship in Muscm from enemy nations?

Does that not strike you as even the least bit odd?

No, they are not concerned about America's historical enemy, because the enemy is now the gate keeper concerned about the American Patriot. The enemy is within
It's not the America you and I knew Billy, it all changed back in 1987 when the Marxists filled the void left in the Dim party by the fleeing moderates.

I don't expect to change your mind, but suffice it to say, this is not the country you and I grew up protecting.

Well you are right about one thing, I won't change my mind, let leave it at that. You know, I never felt like I served the Govt, I always felt i was protecting people.

How screwed up are things when it gets this damn complicated so that betraying the US Govt to a hostile foreign country is a blow for freedom.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 05, 2015, 06:06:54 PM
Well you are right about one thing, I won't change my mind, let leave it at that. You know, I never felt like I served the Govt, I always felt i was protecting people.

How screwed up are things when it gets this damn complicated so that betraying the US Govt to a hostile foreign country is a blow for freedom.

Yes, it's sad that we have an actual Marxist in the WH, and everything our govt does now, is suspect.

I have to support the comments of both Billy and Solar.  While i wouldn't want to be in the position that this mess has Billy placed in, I do think it would have wound up as such under ordinary situations with our country being led by the Muslim-in-charge (no other help). 

As far as what our government already knows,  and i do refer back to my 'sheriff's" time in the military, the government knows much more than it is willing to admit to and according to my husband, we would be more than shocked to know the details because of the panic it might trigger.  I've tried to get him to tell me what he was referring to and he has told me each time that if the time was ever expedient for him to do so, he would tell me.  I guess he was referring to certain calamaties, I dunno yet.   He still honors that oath he took some 46 years ago when he joined the AF.  As much as he hated the treatment of vets when he came out and didn't want to talk about any of his service, he now reflects on the difference that is the military now from that when he was serving-no where near the military that he remembered and now talks of with pride.   Shame on those responsible for letting our military slide out into a place that makes it less than the greatest force on earth that it has been in our lifetime.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 05, 2015, 06:06:54 PM
Well you are right about one thing, I won't change my mind, let leave it at that. You know, I never felt like I served the Govt, I always felt i was protecting people.

How screwed up are things when it gets this damn complicated so that betraying the US Govt to a hostile foreign country is a blow for freedom.

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Ya know, I'm OK with them lining me up with you. (Well, everything except at the entry-door to any Bangkok nightclub. I look terrible in heels.)

Per your posts of late (not just in this thread, but overall)....

It ain't betrayal, it's an overdue course-correction. I'll reload the empty magazines. You're younger. Steadier aim.

Quote from: keyboarder on May 06, 2015, 06:51:49 AM
I have to support the comments of both Billy and Solar.  While i wouldn't want to be in the position that this mess has Billy placed in, I do think it would have wound up as such under ordinary situations with our country being led by the Muslim-in-charge (no other help). 

As far as what our government already knows,  and i do refer back to my 'sheriff's" time in the military, the government knows much more than it is willing to admit to and according to my husband, we would be more than shocked to know the details because of the panic it might trigger.  I've tried to get him to tell me what he was referring to and he has told me each time that if the time was ever expedient for him to do so, he would tell me.  I guess he was referring to certain calamaties, I dunno yet.   He still honors that oath he took some 46 years ago when he joined the AF.  As much as he hated the treatment of vets when he came out and didn't want to talk about any of his service, he now reflects on the difference that is the military now from that when he was serving-no where near the military that he remembered and now talks of with pride.   Shame on those responsible for letting our military slide out into a place that makes it less than the greatest force on earth that it has been in our lifetime.

Yep......
I don't see it as traitorous, I see it as an obligation to this great nation to expose the enemy within.
It's sad that we've fallen as far as we have, all with the help of the party we trusted and invested so much in.
This is war for our very survival.....

Quote from: quiller on May 05, 2015, 05:10:25 AM
Before fumigating, rip up every bit of the old carpet, toss out the drapes, burn any furniture not deemed historical-value, and bring in specialists to determine Obama didn't somehow damage the building's foundations --- like the Muslim Maggot did to our Constitution.

Inventory remaining property and begin proceedings to recover what they stole. (If the drapes are gone, Fat Ass just got herself a new dress.)

Maybe by Week 4 when the bomb squad and the security people finally clear the building of bugs (explosive, actual, or auditory) --- then move in from Camp David.

By then Churchill's bust and Ronnie Reagan's portrait will be back in the Oval Office. Let the new President who sees these have their faith in democracy. Let someone finally mean it (again) that the buck stops here.

And...for God'ssake, tear down all those Che Guevarra posters!

Minn. Rep. Bachmann levels the Clintons, states, "Clinton Foundation is "An International Money Laundering Ring"

No holds barred assessment of Clinton Foundation from a variety of legal specialists:

http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/05/michele-bachmann-clinton-foundation-is-an-international-money-laundering-ring/ (http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/05/michele-bachmann-clinton-foundation-is-an-international-money-laundering-ring/)

No specific mention of the Uranium sale.

Looks like Brent Bozell gets it as well.

MRC's Bozell: News Media Have Become 'Radicalized' and 'Marginalized'

NEIL CAVUTO: The government does this, the government can do that. Is the media simply too busy kissing up to the government to objectively cover the government? Because the media itself is now one of the least trusted institutions, second only to Congress. That's according to at least one recent poll. Media watchers Brent Bozell and Lauren Ashburn say that the fourth estate stopped being the government's watchdog decades ago. Well, Brent, it's very interesting to me that, despite all of that, it's like the media wants double down on this faith in government and question those who would dare question government.

BRENT BOZELL: Yeah, isn't it incredible that their response to being marginalized is to be even more marginalized. They've become so radicalized. We've seen something in the last two years that I frankly hadn't seen before: This -- since 2008, I should say -- this commitment, this deliberate commitment not to report news if it harms the narrative of the left. This is not one example, this is not two examples, I can give you 20 examples. As a matter of fact, you and I have talked about this many times on your show. They are deliberately not reporting news.

BOZELL: They have not gotten to the bottom of a single one of the Obama scandals. They did not get to the bottom of a single one of the Clinton scandals [in the 1990s]. Just think about their coverage of watergate and Nixon where they would not let go until they'd gotten to the bottom of it. Now look at the IRS, look at Benghazi, look at the VA, look at so many scandals -- they've been dropped. This one, this Clinton one, will be dropped as well.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2015/05/09/mrcs-bozell-news-media-have-become-radicalized-and-marginalized (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2015/05/09/mrcs-bozell-news-media-have-become-radicalized-and-marginalized)

Quote from: wally on May 10, 2015, 05:27:29 AM
And...for God'ssake, tear down all those Che Guevarra posters!

:lol: :lol: 

They'll probably steal the walls and flooring on their way out. And the Oval Office, intact. Something for Hussein's library in Chicago.

Quote from: quiller on May 10, 2015, 10:34:50 AM
:lol: :lol: 

They'll probably steal the walls and flooring on their way out. And the Oval Office, intact. Something for Hussein's library in Chicago.

What makes you BELIEVE that Hussain will settle for a Presidential Libray in Chicago.  He probably has his sights set on taking over some large iconic Federal Building in Washington, DC (no doubt, seiezed by Executive Order, under his interpretation of emminant domain). 

This place might due...if he can figure out what to do with everything he might considerr "junk" (like the Bust of Sir Winston Churchill)
http://www.archives.gov/museum/visit/

Quote from: wally on May 13, 2015, 08:53:56 AM
What makes you BELIEVE that Hussain will settle for a Presidential Libray in Chicago.  He probably has his sights set on taking over some large iconic Federal Building in Washington, DC (no doubt, seiezed by Executive Order, under his interpretation of emminant domain). 

This place might due...if he can figure out what to do with everything he might considerr "junk" (like the Bust of Sir Winston Churchill)
http://www.archives.gov/museum/visit/

If he plans to retire in Honolulu, I would expect his library to be there.  No?

He would be walking by each day to see his glorious reflection in the glass walls!   :lol:

Quote from: kroz on May 13, 2015, 08:58:24 AM
If he plans to retire in Honolulu, I would expect his library to be there.  No?

He would be walking by each day to see his glorious reflection in the glass walls!   :lol:

According to Rush, Obama has stated that he intends to remain in Washington, D.C. after the end of his term.  I'm sure you recall "the office of the President-elect" and the media's attention to him, while Bush was still POTUS.  Obama will be 'historic' in another way.  He will bring the shadow goverment of the Democrat Party into the Daylight, as the Shadow goverment of the next President!   You know, the media will be seeking his comment about everything and anything, including but not limed to; all the next President and his administration does and all that the next President and his administration doesn't do.

Quote from: wally on May 13, 2015, 01:16:29 PM
According to Rush, Obama has stated that he intends to remain in Washington, D.C. after the end of his term.  I'm sure you recall "the office of the President-elect" and the media's attention to him, while Bush was still POTUS.  Obama will be 'historic' in another way.  He will bring the shadow goverment of the Democrat Party into the Daylight, as the Shadow goverment of the next President!   You know, the media will be seeking his comment about everything and anything, including but not limed to; all the next President and his administration does and all that the next President and his administration doesn't do.

I suspect the Nation may grow weary of Obama's opinion on almost anything after he leaves office.  He has burned his bridges and the Nation is eager to move on.

He would be a squeaky wheel that becomes a real source of irritation.

Quote from: kroz on May 13, 2015, 02:26:17 PM
I suspect the Nation may grow weary of Obama's opinion on almost anything after he leaves office.  He has burned his bridges and the Nation is eager to move on.

He would be a squeaky wheel that becomes a real source of irritation.

Nonetheless, this won't deter this arrogant, narcissitic POS (when he's a former POTUS).  The Libs will still love him like he's a combination Oprah, John Stewart and Brian Willams...He'll get a lot of free air time and big buck "speaking engagements"....

Sure, the Main event will be in the three ring circus we call our Federal Goverment...But, what the hell, even PT Barnum made a fair buck charging money for people to see the Geeks in his sideshow!

Quote from: wally on May 13, 2015, 08:53:56 AM
What makes you BELIEVE that Hussain will settle for a Presidential Libray in Chicago.  He probably has his sights set on taking over some large iconic Federal Building in Washington, DC (no doubt, seiezed by Executive Order, under his interpretation of emminant domain). 

This place might due...if he can figure out what to do with everything he might considerr "junk" (like the Bust of Sir Winston Churchill)
http://www.archives.gov/museum/visit/

Sorry to report this, Chief, but the library will be built somewhere in south Chicago (where our Community Organizer in chief first started sucking in the bucks and began his climb to national disgrace). (I know, it's CNN, but dang, this was all over the place.....)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/12/politics/obama-presidential-library-chicago-announcement/

Wherever it gets picked there will be widespread gentrification, displacement of the poor this pious fraud purported to serve, and relative media silence on where did Chicago's homeless and poor all go, making way for such wonderful fiction as his Presidency.

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Quote from: kroz on May 13, 2015, 02:26:17 PM
I suspect the Nation may grow weary of Obama's opinion on almost anything after he leaves office.  He has burned his bridges and the Nation is eager to move on.

He would be a squeaky wheel that becomes a real source of irritation.

If the media gives him the same level of coverage as they are for George W. Bush, I for one would be only occasionally apoplectic instead of continually furious as I was waiting for gas in Carter's term, or today, watching gas prices soar under Obama simply because.

Quote from: quiller on May 14, 2015, 08:07:19 AM
If the media gives him the same level of coverage as they are for George W. Bush, I for one would be only occasionally apoplectic instead of continually furious as I was waiting for gas in Carter's term, or today, watching gas prices soar under Obama simply because.

I was living in Arabia during Carter's tenure but was seeing first hand his foreign diplomacy failures!!

He was a big ZERO on the international stage.  The Middle East disliked him only marginally less than Obama!

Quote from: kroz on May 14, 2015, 08:15:26 AM
I was living in Arabia during Carter's tenure but was seeing first hand his foreign diplomacy failures!!

He was a big ZERO on the international stage.  The Middle East disliked him only marginally less than Obama!

Jiminy Peanut, JAW-gia's disgrace when I was stationed there and saw what that fool got ruined while at the state level. Six seconds after leaving, a 444-day nightmare ended for our hostages and America's White House got back its spine.

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Quote from: quiller on May 14, 2015, 08:59:11 AM
Jiminy Peanut, JAW-gia's disgrace when I was stationed there and saw what that fool got ruined while at the state level. Six seconds after leaving, a 444-day nightmare ended for our hostages and America's White House got back its spine.

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I expect the same thing to happen six seconds after Obama's departure!!

We will be experiencing whiplash from the immediate impact!

Fox News online...

Clinton Foundation donor flails in interview - WashEx: "A major Clinton Foundation donor who stood to profit immensely from the highly scrutinized takeover of Uranium One by the Russian government struggled to explain his involvement with the charity under questioning Tuesday. Frank Holmes, one of several investors cited in a New York Times article about the deal, attempted to dismiss allegations that he had donated to the Clinton Foundation in an effort to secure Hillary Clinton's approval for the 2010 transaction during an interview on CNBC's 'Squawk Box.' Several of his claims directly contradicted statements that flashed on the screen while he was speaking. A fact box on the screen indicated U.S. Global Investors, of which Holmes is CEO, held $4.7 million in shares of Uranium during the first quarter of 2011. But Holmes said his company was 'long gone before 2008.'"

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2564433?utm_content=buffer993cb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer?utm_content=buffer993cb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=1

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000378786

The Clinton Foundation is bound to be in the news for the next 18 months.

I heard this week that a very rare resubmission under the Freedom of Information Act was made concerning the Clinton emails. If I am hearing this right, it is very unusual to have a request entered after the first was unsuccessful.  You don't suppose this means that someone has gotten a hold of the emails?  Fun to dream.

It is hard to believe that with all the snoops in government and with Hillary's questionable character, that somewhere along the line, some security conscious official would not order that server tapped. Everyone in that field must have known what she was doing.

Quote from: red_dirt on May 14, 2015, 11:29:42 AM
The Clinton Foundation is bound to be in the news for the next 18 months.

I heard this week that a very rare resubmission under the Freedom of Information Act was made concerning the Clinton emails. If I am hearing this right, it is very unusual to have a request entered after the first was unsuccessful.  You don't suppose this means that someone has gotten a hold of the emails?  Fun to dream.

It is hard to believe that with all the snoops in government and with Hillary's questionable character, that somewhere along the line, some security conscious official would not order that server tapped. Everyone in that field must have known what she was doing.

I do believe that the Clinton emails will eventually surface.

There is absolutely NOTHING secure any more.  Someone is always monitoring the communications of VIPs.

That is just the way it is!!

Quote from: quiller on May 10, 2015, 10:34:50 AM
:lol: :lol: 

They'll probably steal the walls and flooring on their way out. And the Oval Office, intact. Something for Hussein's library in Chicago.

ROFL  :lol: Now that's some funny! Well, not that they were stealing, but the context in which you bring it up.

Refresher background, the 1996 San Jose Mercury crack cocaine expose, Gary Webb, rescued from oblivion by the Seattle Times.
http://www.mega.nu/ampp/webb.html
They'v come a long way.

Quote from: daidalos on May 14, 2015, 03:29:49 PM
  ROFL  :lol: Now that's some funny! Well, not that they were stealing, but the context in which you bring it up.

Giles is gonna whack me for saying this, but everybody knows that any Ivy League-educated looter waits until he can score the most with the least effort expended.

Mayflower, do yo' thang!

I have to say, I have been reading Breitbart, Blaze, WND, JW, and this thread, and hearing Mark Levin and his associates on talk lay out stories of  the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative. There is a book out named "Cinton Cash." That author is making the circuit.  Factor in the emails and the expected candidacy, and we have the makings of the story of the decade.

Here is a NYT Review piece.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/20/us/politics/new-book-clinton-cash-questions-foreign-donations-to-foundation.html

This prediction was made by the author of  the article,
"And the newly assembled Clinton campaign team is planning a full-court press to diminish the book as yet another conservative hit job,"
Indeed , the author, former Bush speech writer Peter Schweitzer, walked into an "interview" with ABC's George Stephanopolis, and interview that was actually an ambush, an interrogation, and an attack planned at discrediting the author. This backfired on ABC because, one, it was obvious, and two, it has come out that George is not only a substantial "contributor" to the "foundation," but some kind of charter director whose position at ABC is nothing more than a front for the Clinton organization.

Of course, many New Yorkers are thrilled that Bill Clinton has chosen to run his operation out of Harlem, which is in itself, a flagrant flaunt. However, there remains that quiet but influential element in NY society whose roots predate LBJ and Mayor Lindsay. That element has not been especially thrilled with the presence of the Clinton organization, or the bold use of the Political Machine to further the ambitions of one, Hillary. This NYT article should come as no big surprise, considering that the Clintons have pushed their luck in New York just about as far as it
can go.

Let the quote I put in bold stand as a warning to all conservative voices to expect an influx of paid comments, fake clicks, faked up You Tube views, and an unusual influx of trolls and provocateurs on forums and panels. This one, the Clinton Rich story, must have them worried, if they are paying attention at all.

Quote from: red_dirt on May 16, 2015, 10:15:31 AM
I have to say, I have been reading Breitbart, Blaze, WND, JW, and this thread, and hearing Mark Levin and his associates on talk lay out stories of  the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative. There is a book out named "Cinton Cash." That author is making the circuit.  Factor in the emails and the expected candidacy, and we have the makings of the story of the decade.

Here is a NYT Review piece.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/20/us/politics/new-book-clinton-cash-questions-foreign-donations-to-foundation.html

This prediction was made by the author of  the article,
"And the newly assembled Clinton campaign team is planning a full-court press to diminish the book as yet another conservative hit job,"
Indeed , the author, Schweitzer, walked into an "interview" with ABC's George Stephanopolis, and interview that was actually an ambush, an interrogation, and an attack planned at discrediting the author. This backfired on ABC because, one, it was obvious, and two, it has come out that George is not only a substantial "contributor" to the "foundation," but some kind of charter director whose position at ABC is nothing more than a front for the Clinton organization.

Of course, many New Yorkers are thrilled that Bill Clinton has chosen to run his operation out of Harlem, which is in itself, a flagrant flaunt. However, there remains that quiet but influential element in NY society whose roots predate LBJ and Mayor Lindsay. That element has not been especially thrilled with the presence of the Clinton organization, or the bold use of the Political Machine to further the ambitions of one, Hillary. This NYT article should come as no big surprise, considering that the Clintons have pushed their luck in New York just about as far as it
can go.

Let the quote I put in bold stand as a warning to all conservative voices to expect an influx of paid comments, fake clicks, faked up You Tube views, and an unusual influx of trolls and provocateurs on forums and panels. This one, the Clinton Rich story, must have them worried, if they are paying attention at all.

Eventually the pendulum does reach it's outer extremity and is forced by shear gravity to recoil at the pressure!

:wink:

Quote from: red_dirt on May 16, 2015, 10:15:31 AM
I have to say, I have been reading Breitbart, Blaze, WND, JW, and this thread, and hearing Mark Levin and his associates on talk lay out stories of  the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative. There is a book out named "Cinton Cash." That author is making the circuit.  Factor in the emails and the expected candidacy, and we have the makings of the story of the decade.

Here is a NYT Review piece.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/20/us/politics/new-book-clinton-cash-questions-foreign-donations-to-foundation.html

This prediction was made by the author of  the article,
"And the newly assembled Clinton campaign team is planning a full-court press to diminish the book as yet another conservative hit job,"
Indeed , the author, former Bush speech writer Peter Schweitzer, walked into an "interview" with ABC's George Stephanopolis, and interview that was actually an ambush, an interrogation, and an attack planned at discrediting the author. This backfired on ABC because, one, it was obvious, and two, it has come out that George is not only a substantial "contributor" to the "foundation," but some kind of charter director whose position at ABC is nothing more than a front for the Clinton organization.

Of course, many New Yorkers are thrilled that Bill Clinton has chosen to run his operation out of Harlem, which is in itself, a flagrant flaunt. However, there remains that quiet but influential element in NY society whose roots predate LBJ and Mayor Lindsay. That element has not been especially thrilled with the presence of the Clinton organization, or the bold use of the Political Machine to further the ambitions of one, Hillary. This NYT article should come as no big surprise, considering that the Clintons have pushed their luck in New York just about as far as it
can go.

Let the quote I put in bold stand as a warning to all conservative voices to expect an influx of paid comments, fake clicks, faked up You Tube views, and an unusual influx of trolls and provocateurs on forums and panels. This one, the Clinton Rich story, must have them worried, if they are paying attention at all.

"And the newly assembled Clinton campaign team is planning a full-court press to diminish the book as yet another conservative hit job,"

This is actually good news. It indicates they are on the defensive. Exactly where we want her. With all her baggage it will make Biubba's "Bimbo Control Unit" look like amateurs.

 :tounge:

Quote from: kroz on May 16, 2015, 10:20:35 AM
Eventually the pendulum does reach it's outer extremity and is forced by shear gravity to recoil at the pressure!

:wink:

The political spetrum pendulum has always gone from left to right and vise versa in American politics.

There's a name for it even, it's called "clinton fatigue", but I like to call it, liberal bullshit limit. There's only so much liberal bull shit Americans who are at their core still freedom loving, Constitution supporting folks can and will tolerate.

Obama's administration made sure we reached that point by 2012, as not one but two elections have now shown us. This is why we saw Georgie Porgie on the news "apologizing" for something which those of us who knew who he was to start with already knew, that being he's a front man for the Clintons in particular, and the DNC in general.

Quote from: daidalos on May 16, 2015, 10:53:10 AM
:tounge:
There's a name for it even, it's called "clinton fatigue", but I like to call it, liberal bullshit limit. There's only so much liberal bull shit Americans who are at their core still freedom loving, Constitution supporting folks can and will tolerate.
Obama's administration made sure we reached that point by 2012, as not one but two elections have now shown us. This is why we saw Georgie Porgie on the news "apologizing" for something which those of us who knew who he was to start with already knew, that being he's a front man for the Clintons in particular, and the DNC in general.

Those points are consistent with my observations. I have been saying for some time that we have in this country a law enforcement problem; therefore my Ted Cruz sticker.
I am definitely getting the impression the much maligned right wing, which I am pleased to be a part of, has  more than picked up the scent, here, it smells the blood. By that I mean the active opposition senses it may be on to another Watergate, another Monica Lewinsky; meaning, revelations the entire nation can get behind. 
The sale of Uranium rights flows in perfect sequence of influence peddling and more, much more.

Quote from: red_dirt on May 16, 2015, 11:24:07 AM
Those points are consistent with my observations. I have been saying for some time that we have in this country a law enforcement problem; therefore my Ted Cruz sticker.

To state it clearly,  I mean to say our problems are problems that should be turned over to law enforcement. Ted Cruz has the will, the courage,  and the knowledge to lead that effort. All he needs is the permission of the voters.

Quote from: red_dirt on May 16, 2015, 10:15:31 AM
I have to say, I have been reading Breitbart, Blaze, WND, JW, and this thread, and hearing Mark Levin and his associates on talk lay out stories of  the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative. There is a book out named "Cinton Cash." That author is making the circuit.  Factor in the emails and the expected candidacy, and we have the makings of the story of the decade.

Here is a NYT Review piece.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/20/us/politics/new-book-clinton-cash-questions-foreign-donations-to-foundation.html

This prediction was made by the author of  the article,
"And the newly assembled Clinton campaign team is planning a full-court press to diminish the book as yet another conservative hit job,"
Indeed , the author, former Bush speech writer Peter Schweitzer, walked into an "interview" with ABC's George Stephanopolis, and interview that was actually an ambush, an interrogation, and an attack planned at discrediting the author. This backfired on ABC because, one, it was obvious, and two, it has come out that George is not only a substantial "contributor" to the "foundation," but some kind of charter director whose position at ABC is nothing more than a front for the Clinton organization.

Of course, many New Yorkers are thrilled that Bill Clinton has chosen to run his operation out of Harlem, which is in itself, a flagrant flaunt. However, there remains that quiet but influential element in NY society whose roots predate LBJ and Mayor Lindsay. That element has not been especially thrilled with the presence of the Clinton organization, or the bold use of the Political Machine to further the ambitions of one, Hillary. This NYT article should come as no big surprise, considering that the Clintons have pushed their luck in New York just about as far as it
can go.

Let the quote I put in bold stand as a warning to all conservative voices to expect an influx of paid comments, fake clicks, faked up You Tube views, and an unusual influx of trolls and provocateurs on forums and panels. This one, the Clinton Rich story, must have them worried, if they are paying attention at all.

The Left really loved Bill, but they haven't had the same feeling about Hillary.  There is a split between thems that do and thems what don't, within their own Party.  Bill and Hillary are one in the same politically, but Bill Clinton has a certain charisma (for the Lefties) that the HildaBeast lacks.

Now, even some Liberal sources are begining to dig into Hillary's corruption.  They are not Happy Campers!  These are the same folk that hate the 1% and are outraged about the apparent corrupt system which allows people (like the Clintons) to enrich themselves beyond what "is fair".


article:
http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2015/05/vox-hillary-clinton-personally-took-money-from-companies-that-sought-to-influence-her/

Few people knew much about the obscure Gov. of Arkansas when Bill Clinton was trailing the known Democrats in the polls.  He rose from obscurity to become head of their paprty and twice elected President.

Martin O'Malley may be the new face that some Democrats are looking for.  COuld it be therre is a push to take Hillary out of the running?  Or is this just part of the game?  If so, how so???? :unsure:

Quote from: red_dirt on May 16, 2015, 10:15:31 AM
I have to say, I have been reading Breitbart, Blaze, WND, JW, and this thread, and hearing Mark Levin and his associates on talk lay out stories of  the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative. There is a book out named "Cinton Cash." That author is making the circuit.  Factor in the emails and the expected candidacy, and we have the makings of the story of the decade.

Here is a NYT Review piece.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/20/us/politics/new-book-clinton-cash-questions-foreign-donations-to-foundation.html

This prediction was made by the author of  the article,
"And the newly assembled Clinton campaign team is planning a full-court press to diminish the book as yet another conservative hit job,"
Indeed , the author, former Bush speech writer Peter Schweitzer, walked into an "interview" with ABC's George Stephanopolis, and interview that was actually an ambush, an interrogation, and an attack planned at discrediting the author. This backfired on ABC because, one, it was obvious, and two, it has come out that George is not only a substantial "contributor" to the "foundation," but some kind of charter director whose position at ABC is nothing more than a front for the Clinton organization.

Of course, many New Yorkers are thrilled that Bill Clinton has chosen to run his operation out of Harlem, which is in itself, a flagrant flaunt. However, there remains that quiet but influential element in NY society whose roots predate LBJ and Mayor Lindsay. That element has not been especially thrilled with the presence of the Clinton organization, or the bold use of the Political Machine to further the ambitions of one, Hillary. This NYT article should come as no big surprise, considering that the Clintons have pushed their luck in New York just about as far as it
can go.

Let the quote I put in bold stand as a warning to all conservative voices to expect an influx of paid comments, fake clicks, faked up You Tube views, and an unusual influx of trolls and provocateurs on forums and panels. This one, the Clinton Rich story, must have them worried, if they are paying attention at all.

I hope it's the arrest of the decade too! Want to send a message to the innercity, fine, put this high and mighty in an orange jumpsuit and let her have her day in court. As I think, the biggest motivator in all these riots (aside from Obama's help) is that there is a perception there's one set of laws for us, and make it up as you go along for the rich and powerful. Arresting and Prosecuting a Clinton would be a good start to show that no, it's one set of laws, applicable to everyone.

Quote from: daidalos on May 21, 2015, 04:00:40 PM
I hope it's the arrest of the decade too! Want to send a message to the innercity, fine, put this high and mighty in an orange jumpsuit and let her have her day in court. As I think, the biggest motivator in all these riots (aside from Obama's help) is that there is a perception there's one set of laws for us, and make it up as you go along for the rich and powerful. Arresting and Prosecuting a Clinton would be a good start to show that no, it's one set of laws, applicable to everyone.

It would be a morale booster. It would also confirm the worst fear of the other top dogs of the American underworld -- and you know this has to be true -- that you never let the women loose with the long reins of power in any criminal enterprise. They are just old fashioned in that way. What could she possibly have been thinking when she gave a thumbs up to this Uranium deal?

I though Hillary, according to unproven charges out of Arkansas, worked in the money laundering department; really, doing more like the clerical work, arranging state contracts through Rose that made money legitimate. Bill had the job of keeping everyone happy. Apparently he was good at it. Clearly, it is all conjecture, or was, until this book came out.

If there is any truth to any of this, the racket is like people proving themselves in the minors, the states, before moving on to the big show. Once the rackets are in place, and the money is rolling in, how on earth do they ever stop it?  I mean, April 15th is Christmas, and it comes every year.

Quote from: red_dirt on May 23, 2015, 01:27:45 PM
It would be a morale booster. It would also confirm the worst fear of the other top dogs of the American underworld -- and you know this has to be true -- that you never let the women loose with the long reins of power in any criminal enterprise. They are just old fashioned in that way. What could she possibly have been thinking when she gave a thumbs up to this Uranium deal?

I though Hillary, according to unproven charges out of Arkansas, worked in the money laundering department; really, doing more like the clerical work, arranging state contracts through Rose that made money legitimate. Bill had the job of keeping everyone happy. Apparently he was good at it. Clearly, it is all conjecture, or was, until this book came out.

If there is any truth to any of this, the racket is like people proving themselves in the minors, the states, before moving on to the big show. Once the rackets are in place, and the money is rolling in, how on earth do they ever stop it?  I mean, April 15th is Christmas, and it comes every year.

Four two year terms in Arkansas in the 80's gave them plenty of practice at graft and corruption. In those days the state was totally controlled by democrats. But look now, it is one of the most "red" states.

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 23, 2015, 03:34:31 PM
Four two year terms in Arkansas in the 80's gave them plenty of practice at graft and corruption. In those days the state was totally controlled by democrats. But look now, it is one of the most "red" states.

True!  No one thought the TEA could unseat Arkansas Senator Blanche Lincoln because she had a huge war chest.  Guess what?  She lost.

Then, no one thought the TEA could unseat Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor...... but Tom Cotton blew him away!

Both democrat Senators gone in subsequent elections!!!  Total flip of the State at every level..!!!

Michigan could use that kind of overhaul.

Quote from: quiller on May 23, 2015, 04:09:44 PM
Michigan could use that kind of overhaul.

Well, it is never too early to begin!!

I wrote letters and campaigned against Blanche Lincoln and I didn't even live there!

Tom Cotton was so good that I didn't need to do anything to help him!!

So, quiller, which of your Senators is up for reelection next?  Is there a good GOP candidate?

Seems like I remember one of your fellows losing after the Obamacare vote..... but I think he was an upstate Congressman!  What is your current status?

Quote from: kroz on May 23, 2015, 04:16:04 PM
What is your current status?

Way too near Detroit.

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Debbie Stabenow (Ms. Useless) will end her term in 2018. Gary Peters succeeded Carl Levin this year and will probably serve the full term. Peters, a descendant of Revolutionary-era folks, is unlikely to go down in any serious challenge.

Neither deserves the oxygen they burn.

Quote from: quiller on May 23, 2015, 04:49:14 PM
Way too near Detroit.

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Debbie Stabenow (Ms. Useless) will end her term in 2018. Gary Peters succeeded Carl Levin this year and will probably serve the full term. Peters, a descendant of Revolutionary-era folks, is unlikely to go down in any serious challenge.

Neither deserves the oxygen they burn.

So 2016 is your off year!  Too bad.  It is time to start looking for a good candidate.  Do you attend your local GOP meetings?   

I don't know how involved you are at the local level.... but that is really where things get done.   New candidates must be flushed out early in the cycle.

Quote from: kroz on May 23, 2015, 05:11:25 PM
So 2016 is your off year!  Too bad.  It is time to start looking for a good candidate.  Do you attend your local GOP meetings?   

I don't know how involved you are at the local level.... but that is really where things get done.   New candidates must be flushed out early in the cycle.

At the local level I am surrounded by lying liberals, pathetic union stooges, and so-called "Republicans" who are even more stomach-churning than their leftist trash counterparts. I find it meaningless to attend gatherings by either party. I cannot say more without giving away where I am.

Quote from: quiller on May 23, 2015, 10:30:03 PM
At the local level I am surrounded by lying liberals, pathetic union stooges, and so-called "Republicans" who are even more stomach-churning than their leftist trash counterparts. I find it meaningless to attend gatherings by either party. I cannot say more without giving away where I am.

hhmmm.. that was an interesting statement..  Why should we care about revealing our locations?

I have revealed my own location several times.  Should I be concerned?   :confused:

Quote from: kroz on May 24, 2015, 03:58:07 AM
hhmmm.. that was an interesting statement..  Why should we care about revealing our locations?

I have revealed my own location several times.  Should I be concerned?   :confused:

It all depends on how angry your town mayor gets every time he's reminded of you....or vice-versa.

Quote from: quiller on May 24, 2015, 08:47:20 AM
It all depends on how angry your town mayor gets every time he's reminded of you....or vice-versa.

Ah-so.... running from the law.   :scared:

I won't tell the sheriff where I found you!!   :lol: :lol:

Back to the subject we were discussing..... do you not know ANY conservatives around you?

Sounds like you need to wrestle the reins from you local GOP leadership!!  Do not believe they are invincible.  Every leadership seat is vulnerable.  Start slow and gradually increase your influence.  I know you can do it because you are a smart man!!!

Quote from: kroz on May 24, 2015, 11:47:00 AM
Ah-so.... running from the law.   :scared:

I won't tell the sheriff where I found you!!   :lol: :lol:

Back to the subject we were discussing..... do you not know ANY conservatives around you?

Sounds like you need to wrestle the reins from you local GOP leadership!!  Do not believe they are invincible.  Every leadership seat is vulnerable.  Start slow and gradually increase your influence.  I know you can do it because you are a smart man!!!

I already said I'm surrounded by liberals. The sheriff is a hard-chargin' RINO and the judges are ferally ignorant. The local GOP has a disfunctional web site and inoperable phone number; the local GOP closed its office. The stench of Demofilth is everywhere in the air.

Quote from: quiller on May 24, 2015, 05:01:46 PM
I already said I'm surrounded by liberals. The sheriff is a hard-chargin' RINO and the judges are ferally ignorant. The local GOP has a disfunctional web site and inoperable phone number; the local GOP closed its office. The stench of Demofilth is everywhere in the air.

I am sorry. 

You have autonomy.  Why do you stay?  I would not.

Quote from: kroz on May 24, 2015, 06:27:46 PM
I am sorry. 

You have autonomy.  Why do you stay?  I would not.

Personal reasons.

Bill Clinton's Secret 'Pass-Through' Company Exposed


Bill Clinton has a secret "pass-through" company named WJC, LLC. WJC, of course, is the former president's initials, William Jefferson Clinton.

"The newly released financial files on Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton's growing fortune omit a company with no apparent employees or assets that the former president has legally used to provide consulting and other services, but which demonstrates the complexity of the family's finances," the Associated Press reports.

"Because the company, WJC, LLC, has no financial assets, Hillary Clinton's campaign was not obligated to report its existence in her recent financial disclosure report, officials with Bill Clinton's private office and the Clinton campaign said. They were responding to questions by The Associated Press, which reviewed corporate documents.

"The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to provide private details of the former president's finances on the record, said the entity was a 'pass-through' company designed to channel payments to the former president."

Indeed, as the report details, Clinton's work for the consulting company Teneo, formed by a former close aide to the ex-president, went through WJC, LLC.

MORE!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bill-clintons-secret-pass-through-company-exposed_956199.html

Quote from: redbeard on May 26, 2015, 03:44:06 PM
Bill Clinton's Secret 'Pass-Through' Company Exposed


Bill Clinton has a secret "pass-through" company named WJC, LLC. WJC, of course, is the former president's initials, William Jefferson Clinton.

"The newly released financial files on Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton's growing fortune omit a company with no apparent employees or assets that the former president has legally used to provide consulting and other services, but which demonstrates the complexity of the family's finances," the Associated Press reports.

"Because the company, WJC, LLC, has no financial assets, Hillary Clinton's campaign was not obligated to report its existence in her recent financial disclosure report, officials with Bill Clinton's private office and the Clinton campaign said. They were responding to questions by The Associated Press, which reviewed corporate documents.

"The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to provide private details of the former president's finances on the record, said the entity was a 'pass-through' company designed to channel payments to the former president."

Indeed, as the report details, Clinton's work for the consulting company Teneo, formed by a former close aide to the ex-president, went through WJC, LLC.

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Who said liars can figure and figures can lie!

Quote from: walkstall on May 26, 2015, 04:34:15 PM

Who said liars can figure and figures can lie!

The Libs think this Clinton cash thing will blow over but it is a constant Drip, drip, drip Hillary is in trouble it just hasn't hit yet! At some point her own party will put her away!

Quote from: redbeard on May 26, 2015, 05:42:38 PM
The Libs think this Clinton cash thing will blow over but it is a constant Drip, drip, drip Hillary is in trouble it just hasn't hit yet! At some point her own party will put her away!

Well, with the Denny Hastert thing (going back to before he was in Congress and was a HS Teacher and Coach) coming up and then Gen. Patreus having to plead guilty to a crime for doing substantially less than Hillary has done (sharing confidential info. with a person with top secret clearence, but not authorized to see it), I doubt Bill (and/or) Hillary are going to have much sympathy from a voting public that either weren't even born when the Clintons were in the Whitehouse (or at least may have been in elementary school)l  I don't think the Clintons are really all that well liked beyond the Main Stream Activists in the media and the rest of the professional loons in the Democrat Party.  They may find they have no cover, when it comes to their crimes and misdeeds being brought to the forefront of public awareness!

Remember when Saddam Hussain posed with his 'hostages' for the media and he had no idea what reaction the terrified look on the little boy he was hugging, would have on everyone!  He BELIEVED or HOPED that the world would see him as some sort of benign , loving old grandfather, rather than the corrupt, murdering , thug dictator he was.

The Clintons may have really overplayed their hand by gaining all this attention of them!  Attention on every dirty aspect of their corrupt, self centered lives!

Quote from: wally on May 29, 2015, 05:52:15 PM
Well, with the Denny Hastert thing (going back to before he was in Congress and was a HS Teacher and Coach) coming up and then Gen. Patreus having to plead guilty to a crime for doing substantially less than Hillary has done (sharing confidential info. with a person with top secret clearence, but not authorized to see it), I doubt Bill (and/or) Hillary are going to have much sympathy from a voting public that either weren't even born when the Clintons were in the Whitehouse (or at least may have been in elementary school)l  I don't think the Clintons are really all that well liked beyond the Main Stream Activists in the media and the rest of the professional loons in the Democrat Party.  They may find they have no cover, when it comes to their crimes and misdeeds being brought to the forefront of public awareness!

Remember when Saddam Hussain posed with his 'hostages' for the media and he had no idea what reaction the terrified look on the little boy he was hugging, would have on everyone!  He BELIEVED or HOPED that the world would see him as some sort of benign , loving old grandfather, rather than the corrupt, murdering , thug dictator he was.

The Clintons may have really overplayed their hand by gaining all this attention of them!  Attention on every dirty aspect of their corrupt, self centered lives!

Bill Clinton just last week made a comment that he would move into the White House if Hillary wins but that he intended to keep on working!! How much will a Bill Clinton speech bring if he was married to the President?

Quote from: redbeard on June 02, 2015, 03:40:14 PM
Bill Clinton just last week made a comment that he would move into the White House if Hillary wins but that he intended to keep on working!! How much will a Bill Clinton speech bring if he was married to the President?

LOL...  Anything to get away from Hillary!!

Wow.  At this point, it's obvious that Hillary is done.  She's been done, but this is just getting crazy.

And it's only 5/2015.  What is the pile going to look like by 11/2016?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/2/clinton-foundations-sweden-fundraising-arm-cashed-/

Quote from: taxed on June 03, 2015, 03:20:55 AM
Wow.  At this point, it's obvious that Hillary is done.  She's been done, but this is just getting crazy.

And it's only 5/2015.  What is the pile going to look like by 11/2016?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/2/clinton-foundations-sweden-fundraising-arm-cashed-/

Ohh, I'm sure it was a mere coincidence that they timed out the way they did, this happens so often to these "Poor" people. Klinton makes a speech about oil interests in Nairobi, Russia or North Dakota, and suddenly the Foundation gets hundreds of thousands from OPEC, see, mere coincidence.
And the next thing you know, they invite him to speak on topics that interest them, at $500.0 K a pop.

The guy came all over a groupies dress, got several BJ's in the Oval office lied to the nation and Congress about it, was Impeached and still pulls in this kind of cash, because people knew they just can't catch a break from a Right wing conspiracy.. :rolleyes:

Of course it's pure sarcasm, but my point is, it matters not, the leftists are used to this behavior, willingly overlook it for agenda.
Remember when the media claimed he was the Teflon President, that they were amazed how no scandal ever effected him?

The only reason nothing effected them, was because the media refused to see their activities as a crime, so they were given a pass every time, and that pattern sticks today in the mind of a lib, which is why she'll be the nominee.
Of course it matters not what the left chooses, they are going down in flames right along with the entire party.

Quote from: Solar on June 03, 2015, 04:43:42 AM

Ohh, I'm sure it was a mere coincidence that they timed out the way they did, this happens so often to these "Poor" people. Klinton makes a speech about oil interests in Nairobi, Russia or North Dakota, and suddenly the Foundation gets hundreds of thousands from OPEC, see, mere coincidence.
And the next thing you know, they invite him to speak on topics that interest them, at $500.0 K a pop.

The guy came all over a groupies dress, got several BJ's in the Oval office lied to the nation and Congress about it, was Impeached and still pulls in this kind of cash, because people knew they just can't catch a break from a Right wing conspiracy.. :rolleyes:

Of course it's pure sarcasm, but my point is, it matters not, the leftists are used to this behavior, willingly overlook it for agenda.
Remember when the media claimed he was the Teflon President, that they were amazed how no scandal ever effected him?

The only reason nothing effected them, was because the media refused to see their activities as a crime, so they were given a pass every time, and that pattern sticks today in the mind of a lib, which is why she'll be the nominee.
Of course it matters not what the left chooses, they are going down in flames right along with the entire party.

You have hit on a very serious dilemma we face.  The Left does accept unethical conduct if it gives them the desired agenda.

So, how do you take two generations of people and instill a belief in moral ethics which do not exist in them???

That is going to be necessary for the Conservative movement!!!

Quote from: kroz on June 03, 2015, 05:02:02 AM
You have hit on a very serious dilemma we face.  The Left does accept unethical conduct if it gives them the desired agenda.

So, how do you take two generations of people and instill a belief in moral ethics which do not exist in them???

That is going to be necessary for the Conservative movement!!!

Luckily that only applies to the die hard lib, around 26% of their constituency.
The rest of the youth vote has bailed for the libertarian movement after being lied to, or simply claimed Independent status, while the rest of the base want no part of what the party became.
The vote for another Marxist is entirely nonexistent, the party for all intents and purposes, is dead.

QuoteHillary Clinton closed a three-day campaign fundraising swing through Texas and New Mexico on Thursday with a rare public appearance at Texas Southern University in Houston and a stemwinder on voting rights.



Clinton was received with wild applause at the historically black college, but organizers arranged the 8,100-seat basketball arena so that three-quarters of the seats were roped off and empty.
She took no questions and spoke with no reporters, but angrily complained that Texas voters can present their concealed-carry gun permits as a voter ID, but not their college student identification cards.
They added rows of chairs on the floor, but 15-foot-tall blue curtains draped all around blocked the view of entire sections of empty seats, leaving the impression that Clinton couldn't fill the room.

The university didn't provide a crowd count, but an arena security official estimated that there were 2,200 in attendance.


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A CCW you go through a state security background check and  FBI background check! That ID should be better then your drivers license to prove you are who you say you are!
What government agency is doing the background for a collage ID? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This is the best she's got? :popcorn: :popcorn:

Quote from: redbeard on June 04, 2015, 08:27:26 PM

A CCW you go through a state security background check and  FBI background check! That ID should be better then your drivers license to prove you are who you say you are!
What government agency is doing the background for a collage ID? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This is the best she's got? :popcorn: :popcorn:

Remember she is talking to the LIV. They only know that there told.   :sad:

Quote from: redbeard on June 04, 2015, 08:27:26 PM

A CCW you go through a state security background check and  FBI background check! That ID should be better then your drivers license to prove you are who you say you are!
What government agency is doing the background for a collage ID? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This is the best she's got? :popcorn: :popcorn:

She is really proving to be more pathetic than we even thought.

Quote from: supsalemgr on June 05, 2015, 04:34:00 AM
She is really proving to be more pathetic than we even thought.

It is almost comical to watch this play out.... the media bowing to their Highness in waiting....  :lol: :lol:

The General Election campaign promises to be a real "Thriller".... :popcorn:

QuoteGov. Kasich: Clinton Should Sue NY Over Voting Rights, Not Ohio


Ohio Gov. John Kasich accused Hillary Clinton of "demagoguery" Friday over a lawsuit filed against his state's voting rules, saying she should pick on another state, such as her own, where voters have far fewer days to cast a ballot.

"If she wants to sue somebody, let them sue New York," Kasich told Fox News' "America's Newsroom" program. "We have 27 days of voting. In New York, the only voting that occurs is on Election Day. What is she talking about?"

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/US/john-kasich-hillary-voting-lawsuit/2015/06/05/id/64896...

Got to love the John Kasich response!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

John Kasich's response shows just how out of step he is with the voters.

He wants to kiss Hillary and debunk her statement simultaneously.   Kasich is a RINO of the first order.

Quote from: kroz on June 05, 2015, 06:15:02 PM
John Kasich's response shows just how out of step he is with the voters.

He wants to kiss Hillary and debunk her statement simultaneously.   Kasich is a RINO of the first order.

And where do you read anything like that into his Quote?
Kasich may not be conservative enough for me but before you toss him from the party take a look at his history! He was the primary writer of the republican budget that the Gingrich house force Clinton to adopt That Bill try's to steal credit for to this day! He was so FOR term limits in that congress that even without the laws passage he restricted himself to 3 terms and was one of a few that lived up to his campaign promises!
Kasich is a good honest fiscal conservative and is light years ahead of anything the Dim's have to offer. Problem I have with him is he reaches across the Isle . Best positive I see in him is he will work hard to fulfill any promises he makes!

Quote from: redbeard on June 07, 2015, 11:28:03 AM
And where do you read anything like that into his Quote?
Kasich may not be conservative enough for me but before you toss him from the party take a look at his history! He was the primary writer of the republican budget that the Gingrich house force Clinton to adopt That Bill try's to steal credit for to this day! He was so FOR term limits in that congress that even without the laws passage he restricted himself to 3 terms and was one of a few that lived up to his campaign promises!
Kasich is a good honest fiscal conservative and is light years ahead of anything the Dim's have to offer. Problem I have with him is he reaches across the Isle . Best positive I see in him is he will work hard to fulfill any promises he makes!

Kasich is a strong proponent of Common Core and amnesty!   Enough?

Quote from: redbeard on June 07, 2015, 11:28:03 AM
And where do you read anything like that into his Quote?
Kasich may not be conservative enough for me but before you toss him from the party take a look at his history! He was the primary writer of the republican budget that the Gingrich house force Clinton to adopt That Bill try's to steal credit for to this day! He was so FOR term limits in that congress that even without the laws passage he restricted himself to 3 terms and was one of a few that lived up to his campaign promises!
Kasich is a good honest fiscal conservative and is light years ahead of anything the Dim's have to offer. Problem I have with him is he reaches across the Isle . Best positive I see in him is he will work hard to fulfill any promises he makes!

Kasich is a RINO piece of scum who needs to be removed from the GOP.  He is against the ACA scam repeal, pro-common core, and pro-amnesty.

He's about as conservative as I am Chinese.