Quote from: AlfredDrake on December 20, 2014, 07:35:29 AM
So much for Papal infallibility.

http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-welcomes-us-and-cuban-moves-to-normalise-rela

Papal Infallibly is only applicable when the Pope is speaking on matters of Church dogma and/or doctrine.

Darth

Like Mark Levin pointed out, capitalism have not brought freedom to China. Capitalism is required for liberty, but liberty is dependant on conservatism. Cuba will get economic progress, but it will still be a Castro plantation and now a Castro Red Light district with Castro Casino's etc to go with it.

The communist party of Cuba will never peacefully give up power, they are part of the "Foro de São Paulo". Any economic benefits will be used to fund leftist terrorists in Latin America to destroy the last remaining capitalist countries like Colombia. If USA would take back their heritage of keeping Latin America in line and free they would do well to support Colombia.

The Catholic Church like the Protestant independent Churches are excellent institutions on the local level, but it seems to be taken over by socialists at the top levels.

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 23, 2014, 05:24:57 AM
Like Mark Levin pointed out, capitalism have not brought freedom to China. Capitalism is required for liberty, but liberty is dependant on conservatism. Cuba will get economic progress, but it will still be a Castro plantation and now a Castro Red Light district with Castro Casino's etc to go with it.

The communist party of Cuba will never peacefully give up power, they are part of the "Foro de São Paulo". Any economic benefits will be used to fund leftist terrorists in Latin America to destroy the last remaining capitalist countries like Colombia. If USA would take back their heritage of keeping Latin America in line and free they would do well to support Colombia.

The Catholic Church like the Protestant independent Churches are excellent institutions on the local level, but it seems to be taken over by socialists at the top levels.

BINGO My Friend! But this is the problem with young Libertarians, they've been brainwashed to believe that any intervention in the politics of other Nations is somehow evil.
That somehow the world would find a happy equilibrium if America would mind it's own business.

Talk about naivete! The world doesn't seek equilibrium where dictators seek global domination.
But these kids cant see this, because they've been taught that we are the impediment to peace around the globe, that Muscum wouldn't hate us if we weren't there, that China and Russia would live peacefully among India and Pakistan, that Iran and Saudi Arabia would stop creating terrorists.

Yeah, and electric cars produce Unicorn farts and butterflies will be protectors of the Earth.

Quote from: Solar on December 23, 2014, 06:53:53 AM
BINGO My Friend! But this is the problem with young Libertarians, they've been brainwashed to believe that any intervention in the politics of other Nations is somehow evil.
That somehow the world would find a happy equilibrium if America would mind it's own business.

Talk about naivete! The world doesn't seek equilibrium where dictators seek global domination.
But these kids cant see this, because they've been taught that we are the impediment to peace around the globe, that Muscum wouldn't hate us if we weren't there, that China and Russia would live peacefully among India and Pakistan, that Iran and Saudi Arabia would stop creating terrorists.

Yeah, and electric cars produce Unicorn farts and butterflies will be protectors of the Earth.

Indeed, which is why Ron Paul is wrong on non-intervention. When all of latin america is under socialist control they would not stop there, they would do everything in their power to ensure the destruction of the US either through supporting socialist insurgency in the US, giving arms to minority groups to committ terrorist acts or flood all of their criminals/deviants/political opponents into the US and break the US welfare system.

Same with the Muslims, once they have cleansed Africa of Christians, destroyed Israel and killed all the Jews and Christians in the middle east they will not stop there, they will invade and step up local muslim insurrection in Europe, USA, China and Russia.

Like you said, Naivete is the right word for it. These libertarians and so called conservatives fall for the leftist lie that there is war in the world because of Western aggression and exploitation that if we would just leave them alone they would leave us alone because all they want is to live in peace in their quaint huts tending their small fields in harmony.

Unicorn farts... gonna steal that one 

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 23, 2014, 07:31:55 AM
Indeed, which is why Ron Paul is wrong on non-intervention. When all of latin america is under socialist control they would not stop there, they would do everything in their power to ensure the destruction of the US either through supporting socialist insurgency in the US, giving arms to minority groups to committ terrorist acts or flood all of their criminals/deviants/political opponents into the US and break the US welfare system.

Same with the Muslims, once they have cleansed Africa of Christians, destroyed Israel and killed all the Jews and Christians in the middle east they will not stop there, they will invade and step up local muslim insurrection in Europe, USA, China and Russia.

Like you said, Naivete is the right word for it. These libertarians and so called conservatives fall for the leftist lie that there is war in the world because of Western aggression and exploitation that if we would just leave them alone they would leave us alone because all they want is to live in peace in their quaint huts tending their small fields in harmony.

Unicorn farts... gonna steal that one 

Absolutely correct. When was the last time you heard anyone in government mention the "Monroe Doctrine"? I am sure any referral to it has been removed from history books so we probably have 2-3 generations who have never heard of it.

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 23, 2014, 07:31:55 AM
Indeed, which is why Ron Paul is wrong on non-intervention. When all of latin america is under socialist control they would not stop there, they would do everything in their power to ensure the destruction of the US either through supporting socialist insurgency in the US, giving arms to minority groups to committ terrorist acts or flood all of their criminals/deviants/political opponents into the US and break the US welfare system.

Same with the Muslims, once they have cleansed Africa of Christians, destroyed Israel and killed all the Jews and Christians in the middle east they will not stop there, they will invade and step up local muslim insurrection in Europe, USA, China and Russia.

Like you said, Naivete is the right word for it. These libertarians and so called conservatives fall for the leftist lie that there is war in the world because of Western aggression and exploitation that if we would just leave them alone they would leave us alone because all they want is to live in peace in their quaint huts tending their small fields in harmony.

Unicorn farts... gonna steal that one 

As the saying goes: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
Not containing socialism, is akin to fertilizing communism and arming the enemy at our front and backdoor.

Quote from: supsalemgr on December 20, 2014, 11:51:58 AM
First, let's not hijack this thread away from Cuba to rants about the Catholic church.

I am not Catholic, but have many Catholic friends. They are dedicated to church and serve it well and there are millions like that in the church. The church also does many great things and continues to make advances in South America and Africa. Anything that advances Christianity is good in my view. One reason I was never attracted to the Catholic church is I believe too much power is given to the pope. After all, he is nothing but an an elected politician and another flawed human being. It is becoming clear the current pope is a liberal and eventually this is going to cause some conflict among the followers.

First, let's not accuse anyone of hijacking a thread, when they've simply responded to a post, that was fully allowed as pertinent to the topic.

Simple enough  ?

As I said, I'm Catholic.  I would truly enjoy punching the face of every asshole who leads with "pedophile priests".  I hate the guts of anyone who picks and picks and picks at the failings of a few thousand losers, when the faith has produced billions of wonderful people who've done nothing but good.

So you can spare me that lecture too, lol.

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 23, 2014, 05:24:57 AM
Like Mark Levin pointed out, capitalism have not brought freedom to China. Capitalism is required for liberty, but liberty is dependant on conservatism. Cuba will get economic progress, but it will still be a Castro plantation and now a Castro Red Light district with Castro Casino's etc to go with it.

The communist party of Cuba will never peacefully give up power, they are part of the "Foro de São Paulo". Any economic benefits will be used to fund leftist terrorists in Latin America to destroy the last remaining capitalist countries like Colombia. If USA would take back their heritage of keeping Latin America in line and free they would do well to support Colombia.

The Catholic Church like the Protestant independent Churches are excellent institutions on the local level, but it seems to be taken over by socialists at the top levels.

Levin has done a few good bits on the Pope.

His main point is that the Pope only knows the capitalism of Brazil, which is in fact about as corrupt as capitalism gets, and a terrible version / example of it.  Too bad the Pope doesn't know the rest of the history of proper capitalism, where it has been the only path to prosperity, comfort, safety, and health for the entire world.

I get it, Jesus and the bible are very easily misused to claim that we need to just take everything from the rich and hand it to the poor.

But Jesus made it very clear that he wasn't fond of the tax collectors who would do this, or the lying, cheating, lazy that would take the spoils.  So no, not so much.

Quote from: AndyJackson on December 23, 2014, 09:26:50 AM
First, let's not accuse anyone of hijacking a thread, when they've simply responded to a post, that was fully allowed as pertinent to the topic.

Simple enough  ?

As I said, I'm Catholic.  I would truly enjoy punching the face of every asshole who leads with "pedophile priests".  I hate the guts of anyone who picks and picks and picks at the failings of a few thousand losers, when the faith has produced billions of wonderful people who've done nothing but good.

So you can spare me that lecture too, lol.

Are you responding to me about the "lecture"? If so where did I do that? I made an observation that the pope is a political figure.

Quote from: AndyJackson on December 20, 2014, 05:32:11 AM
Is it time to notice the pattern....yet  ?

Buddies with Chavez, Ayers, Dorn, Wright.......fervently working to replace Mubarak, Khadafi, Assad with radical jihadists, giving MB / ISIS a clear path across the ME (pretending to "slow" them).......ready to foment the thug army against the police at every opportunity.....dismantling the military......now he's making his move to support his hero Castro......still waiting on "more leeway" to support Putin / Medvedev........cozying up to the Chinese........

Everything he does is in support of everything anti-America.  I wonder how many years it will take to chip away and expose the guy's hidden path, on his way to being the greatest mole in western civilization.

Whew!  That one just got you a nice little audit--just in time for Christmas!   

Don't mind Cuba, watch Nicaragua - only 3 days after decision to built  an interoceanic canal, and they have protests against it...
http://lab.org.uk/nicaragua-protests-against-canal-are-growing
It has to be invisible hand of free market...  It saying to us: Free world already has one canal, another on would obvious threat to democracy.

Quote from: kalash on December 25, 2014, 09:58:45 AM
Don't mind Cuba, watch Nicaragua - only 3 days after decision to built  an interoceanic canal, and they have protests against it...
http://lab.org.uk/nicaragua-protests-against-canal-are-growing
It has to be invisible hand of free market...  It saying to us: Free world already has one canal, another on would obvious threat to democracy.

I wouldn't call Chinese backing free mkt. Regardless, if they want a canal, that's their business if they want to destroy the country's largest freshwater source, which will destroy the livelihoods of 10s of thousands of inhabitants that depend on the lake for food and fresh water.

Looks like corrupt leaders can't say no to all that Chinese money. Sound familiar?

Quote from: Solar on December 25, 2014, 10:21:06 AM
I wouldn't call Chinese backing free mkt. Regardless, if they want a canal, that's their business if they want to destroy the country's largest freshwater source, which will destroy the livelihoods of 10s of thousands of inhabitants that depend on the lake for food and fresh water.

Looks like corrupt leaders can't say no to all that Chinese money. Sound familiar?

If memory serves me correctly, The Nicaragua route was originally surveyed and discarded in favor of the route through Panama.

Here is a link to an interesting story about a sailor who had his small cruising catamaran trucked up to Lake Nicaragua and did some sailing there.

http://turtleislands.net/tmc/16.html

Darth

Quote from: Solar on December 25, 2014, 10:21:06 AM
they want to destroy the country's largest freshwater source, which will destroy the livelihoods of 10s of thousands of inhabitants that depend on the lake for food and fresh water.

Looks like corrupt leaders can't say no to all that Chinese money. Sound familiar?

I am with you on that. Dam these corrupt political leaders, who let Transcontinental Railroad across the United States to be built... All these beautiful buffalo herds and indian tribes that depended on them.... Their life was completely destroyed.

Quote from: kalash on December 25, 2014, 01:45:25 PM
I am with you on that. Dam these corrupt political leaders, who let Transcontinental Railroad across the United States to be built... All these beautiful buffalo herds and indian tribes that depended on them.... Their life was completely destroyed.

Don't bet the farm on that.