When Liberal and Conservative Ideologies Converge

Started by AlfredDrake, December 18, 2014, 06:32:58 AM

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Mountainshield

Quote from: Solar on December 21, 2014, 11:24:38 AM
The point is, at one time the nation was considered simply normal relatively speaking of the populace, the more the country moved left, the further the Conservative values move to the Right of the spectrum, to the point that holding the values the Founders set forth for us became the far Right.
Anything right of Conservatism becomes anarchism, which leads to fascism followed by Communism and the circle is complete.
Point is, fascism and anarchism are cousins of communism, not Conservatismm.

Not to mention all fascists were prominent socialists, Mussolini was a hardcore socialist, his only problem was the communists were not violent enough.
Leftists call fascist right wing because they were social conservative in ideals, I guess that makes Putin a right-wing fascist rather than a communist  :rolleyes:

european101

#46
European view on far right a little differs from American view. In Europe nazi party was far right party and communist party was far left party.

For you far left means total gvt control and right or far right means less gvt or even anarchy.

walkstall

Quote from: european101 on December 23, 2014, 12:50:08 AM
European view on far right a little differs from American view. In Europe nazi party was far right party and communist party was far left party.

For you far left means total gvt control and right or far right means less gvt or even anarchy.

Now I see a lot of your problems. 
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Mountainshield

Quote from: european101 on December 23, 2014, 12:50:08 AM
European view on far right a little differs from American view. In Europe nazi party was far right party and communist party was far left party.

For you far left means total gvt control and right or far right means less gvt or even anarchy.

So National Socialism is far right and International Socialism is far left? Bullshit written by European socialists.

You are playing right into the left hands by using such definitions, remember that for the leftist semantics is just another battlefield which is why George Orwell put so much emphasis on the danger of "newspeak" in the novel 1984.

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Solar

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 22, 2014, 11:23:14 PM
Not to mention all fascists were prominent socialists, Mussolini was a hardcore socialist, his only problem was the communists were not violent enough.
Leftists call fascist right wing because they were social conservative in ideals, I guess that makes Putin a right-wing fascist rather than a communist  :rolleyes:
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Quote from: european101 on December 23, 2014, 12:50:08 AM
European view on far right a little differs from American view. In Europe nazi party was far right party and communist party was far left party.

For you far left means total gvt control and right or far right means less gvt or even anarchy.
And you've been lied to by Marxists.
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european101

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I've read several times here from some posters that conservativism is not a political movement but rather way of life.

Tell that to American voters and you will not win the elections for the next 100 years. Not in the free elections.

Solar

Quote from: european101 on December 23, 2014, 10:13:25 AM
I ve read several times here from some posters that conservativism is not a political movement but rather way of life.

Tell that to American voters and you will not win the elections for the next 100 years. Not in the free elections.
TEA is proof you're wrong.
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Quote from: european101 on December 23, 2014, 10:13:25 AM
I ve read several times here from some posters that conservativism is not a political movement but rather way of life.

Tell that to American voters and you will not win the elections for the next 100 years. Not in the free elections.
Can you possibly explain ?

Telling the voters that we want to help them -

-Be self sufficient
-Take care of their families
-Have goals, Be successful
-Be part of the community in positive ways, of your own doing
AND........
-Not let the govt sieze everyone's wages to deny all of the above


THIS is what will lose elections for 100 years  ?  Give us an explanation.  I haven't had a good belly laugh yet today.

european101

Tea is a very small movement and you'll remain small. No one will vote for conservativism as way of life.  :popcorn:

european101

People want jobs, good living standard and as you say ˝moral decay˝. Conservativism as way of life is the matter of the past. But this is just my opinion.  :popcorn:

keyboarder

Quote from: european101 on December 23, 2014, 10:24:03 AM
Tea is a very small movement and you'll remain small. No one will vote for conservativism as way of life.  :popcorn:

Clean up on aisle 6, guys!!!!!!

I'm afraid you took too long getting away Euro 101.   First off, I'm at least glad that you refer to TEA as a movement and not a political party.  My gratitude stops there.  In the short time that TEA has become well known, doesn't that fact alone tell you that it is more than just a movement?  People are speaking out about the injustices of life in America as it has become a land that is hardly recognizable from the visions that our founders had in mind for it.  Oh, the injustices go further back than some might suppose but drastically more so in the last 50 years.  TEA supporters now see a country that is moving further away from independant ideals to a place not so easily forgotten that was totally dependant on its handlers.  TEA is conservative and seeks freedom from oppression of any sort for it's supporters.  Hopefully TEA will keep growing and educating the masses that would otherwise perish under the yoke of bondage from tyrannical rulers.   
.If you want to lead the orchestra, you must turn your back to the crowd      Forbes

european101

Quote from: keyboarder on December 23, 2014, 10:52:18 AM
Clean up on aisle 6, guys!!!!!!

I'm afraid you took too long getting away Euro 101.   First off, I'm at least glad that you refer to TEA as a movement and not a political party.  My gratitude stops there.  In the short time that TEA has become well known, doesn't that fact alone tell you that it is more than just a movement?

No. It's a big difference between being well known and being elected.

Solar

Quote from: european101 on December 23, 2014, 10:24:03 AM
Tea is a very small movement and you'll remain small. No one will vote for conservativism as way of life.  :popcorn:
Uhh, no it's not, that's a leftist/rino lie!
TEA is an ideology, not a party. Every election rino ran on TEA principles, then once seated went about doing the exact opposite.
Thanks to our Marxist POTUS, he exposed the rino for what they are, and TEA as an ideology went about returning the nation to it's core values.
If TEA was as small as you claim, explain the last two midterm election landslides.
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