Quote from: gandb77 on August 10, 2014, 04:05:12 AM
This is not about the definition of Incorporation or it,s value.
This is not about raising taxes or the fairness of current tax laws.
This is not about how the government spends our money.
This is  simply about corporations avoiding paying taxes (legally or illegally)
and putting the resultant tax burden on individual taxpayers.

Are we sure that some on this forum are not actually shills for business?

Speaking as a business man of more than 50 years, you got me.

Did it ever once occur to you, that govt might be a bit too God Damned big and needs to be gutted?
Well did it?

Wow, another heartfelt snivel that each and every businessman (or woman) in America is UNCLEAN, unclean I say!

Find me one welfare deadbeat doing any hiring and get back to me, you leftist clowns.

Quote from: gandb77 on August 09, 2014, 05:21:21 AM
While you "conservatives" believe in the things you espouse, you are mistaken in the belief that business exist to create jobs.  Businesses are as greedy as anyone else and will do those things that benefit themselves.

You demonstrate that you understand neither conservatives not business. No surprise in that!

Conservatives understand that businesses exist to provide income to their owners. Businesses do this by providing a product and/or service people need/want at a price they are willing to pay. The owners use that income to live. This is what a business is and does.

Conservatives understand that employing people is what happens when a business is profitable and so successful that the owner(s) alone cannot supply as much of the product/service as customers demand. Employing others is an effect caused by success.

Conservatives understand that your usage, "greedy," is substance-free manipulation. We've it before ... a lot! Conservatives also understand that business owners' desire to make a living and improve their lifestyle - what you call "greed" - can only be fulfilled if they provide products and/or services people need/want and for which they are willing to pay. In other words, using your manipulative pejorative, their greed forces them toserve their community or nation or the world!

Quote from: gandb77 on August 09, 2014, 05:21:21 AMNafta and Gatt  are not good programs as they allowed business to move manufacturing overseas while still having the benefit of the american markets, laws, and regulations.  Now Inversion further allows them to avoid taxes and still have the benefit of american markets, laws, and regulations.

So, what brilliant alternative do you propose?

High tariffs and outright bans to keep lower cost foreign products from competing against American products? The Smoot-Hawley Tariff showed the foolishness of that approach, back in the 1930s; Smoot-Hawley helped make what should have been a recession int a Great Depression.

Pass laws to hold corporation hostage or to plunder them if they leave the US? Taxing and regulating US companies into bankruptcy while letting foreign companies freely sell products in the US that are produced where costs are low? Well, you wouldn't have to worry anymore about those greeeeeeeeeeeeedy American companies. They'll be gone ... permanently ... as will the jobs of those they formerly employed ...

Quote from: gandb77 on August 09, 2014, 05:21:21 AMFurther illegal immigrations will further ensure this.

Maybe you haven't noticed - though I cannot imagine how! - but conservatives are the ones who have been pushing to secure US borders, against amnesty, and in favor of deporting aliens here illegally. You should direct this warning comment to the Progressives, liberals, and Mo-o-o-o-o-o-oderates who have been fighting for open borders and amnesty.

Quote from: gandb77 on August 10, 2014, 04:05:12 AM
Are we sure that some on this forum are not actually shills for business?

More substance-free manipulation.

I'm worse than that, g77, I'm the son of a businessman raised among the sons and daughters of business men and women. In plain English, my Father was a farmer, as were the parents of many of my peers (and other small businesses as well).

It's funny how it changes things when you put human faces on the bogeyman-symbols!

Quote from: TboneAgain on August 10, 2014, 04:43:14 AM
Maybe if I type this r-e-a-l-l-y s-l-o-w-l-y, you'll get it. Corporations don't pay taxes. Individual taxpayers pay taxes. Corporations COLLECT taxes by charging more than they otherwise would for goods and services, and pass the extra money on to the government as so-called "corporate income tax."

THE ENTIRE BURDEN IS ALWAYS ON INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS.

Exactly! Businesses are tax collectors, not tax payers!

Quote from: gandb77 on August 10, 2014, 04:05:12 AM
This is not about the definition of Incorporation or it,s value.
This is not about raising taxes or the fairness of current tax laws.
This is not about how the government spends our money.
This is  simply about corporations avoiding paying taxes (legally or illegally)
and putting the resultant tax burden on individual taxpayers.

Are we sure that some on this forum are not actually shills for business?

How are they avoiding paying taxes?

Quote from: taxed on August 10, 2014, 06:04:08 PM
How are they avoiding paying taxes?

They don't pay extra taxes like good little libs do. Libs always write out a check to the IRS with a 10% tip

Quote from: Solar on August 10, 2014, 06:08:24 PM
They don't pay extra taxes like good little libs do. Libs always write out a check to the IRS with a 10% tip

Typical libs.  They complain about not paying enough taxes, while paying a CPA to pay the least in taxes.

Quote from: taxed on August 10, 2014, 06:18:12 PM
Typical libs.  They complain about not paying enough taxes, while paying a CPA to pay the least in taxes.

Bingo! Yet somehow, it the fault of those employing the lions share of the nation, those evil bastards!

Quote from: Solar on August 10, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
Bingo! Yet somehow, it the fault of those employing the lions share of the nation, those evil bastards!

How dare they create jobs.  It's sad that people like ganb dislike our country so much they have disdain for the producers of our society.  It really is sad.  He should move to another country.  Seriously.

Quote from: taxed on August 10, 2014, 06:32:20 PM
How dare they create jobs.  It's sad that people like ganb dislike our country so much they have disdain for the producers of our society.  It really is sad.  He should move to another country.  Seriously.

Most libs have it completely bassackwards, they think business is only allowed by the grace of govt to operate in the country.
We really have our work cut out for us.

Quote from: Solar on August 10, 2014, 06:36:40 PM
Most libs have it completely bassackwards, they think business is only allowed by the grace of govt to operate in the country.
We really have our work cut out for us.

It is what makes them susceptible to being libs and buying into Marxism.  They have no respect or understanding of what it takes to get a business off the ground and to execute.  Academia infuses a false sense of entitlement and superiority to these kids, but don't give them the education or skill to execute anything in the real world.  It also weens them off of learning to think.  A mouse placed in a maze with a piece of cheese has far more real world experience than a college student.  The mouse had to learn and think to eat.

Quote from: taxed on August 10, 2014, 06:46:07 PM
It is what makes them susceptible to being libs and buying into Marxism.  They have no respect or understanding of what it takes to get a business off the ground and to execute.  Academia infuses a false sense of entitlement and superiority to these kids, but don't give them the education or skill to execute anything in the real world.  It also weens them off of learning to think.  A mouse placed in a maze with a piece of cheese has far more real world experience than a college student.  The mouse had to learn and think to eat.

Good analogy. the mouse learns critical thinking to stay alive, while the student is hand fed Marxist ideals, never given the option of learning fending for ones self.

You all chatter back and forth reinforcing each others comments like a bunch of magpies on a wire.
Name calling and belittlement is really all you have.

I'm so happy that you all are willing to pay the taxes that large business avoid through inversion.
I'm out of here!

Quote from: gandb77 on August 11, 2014, 04:41:54 AM
You all chatter back and forth reinforcing each others comments like a bunch of magpies on a wire.
Name calling and belittlement is really all you have.

I'm so happy that you all are willing to pay the taxes that large business avoid through inversion.
I'm out of here!

Hey dumb ass! We, as the consumer, pay every dime in taxes that business pays out to govt, whether the govt steals it from business or directly from our pay checks, they still get their revenue.

You just want to enable the robber in their game of theft.

Let me ask you one question. Did it ever occur to you, that govt might just be overtaxing and abusing the taxpayer with overspending?