Elizabeth Warren recently gave a speech before congress castigating american companies for establishing their headquarters overseas to avoid U. S. taxes. She was proposing support for a bill outlawing this practice called Inversion .
What is the position of this forums participants toward this practice and the bill Warren supports?
Free countries have to build walls to keep the flood out.
Iron fisted dictators have to build walls to keep their people in.
You figure out where free people stand on this issue.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 30, 2014, 04:29:05 PM
Elizabeth Warren recently gave a speech before congress castigating american companies for establishing their headquarters overseas to avoid U. S. taxes. She was proposing support for a bill outlawing this practice called Inversion .
What is the position of this forums participants toward this practice and the bill Warren supports?
If she said this, then it merely confirms what we've all been saying all along.
She's a communist at heart.
Can you source this with a link?
From the horse's (or is it an ass?) mouth
http://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=video&id=589 (http://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=video&id=589)
Here's one of her comments on that same page:
QuoteSome U.S. corporations use a tax loophole to maintain all their operations in America but claim foreign citizenship to avoid paying taxes. Tax lawyers call it "corporate inversion," but I call it freeloading. Watch the floor speech I gave this afternoon to learn more about the Stop Corporate Inversions Act, our new bill to hold these freeloaders accountable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKp-9aJyvQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKp-9aJyvQ)
Funny how liberals see not paying what the government would like you to pay (they're operating within the law) "freeloading"! Funnier still that government employees don't see themselves as freeloaders off the American Taxpayer.
Who would expect anything less from an avowed leftist. American companies do not exist for the sole purpose of supplying the US Treasury with funds. Their goal is to produce a profit for their shareholders and by doing so offer opportunities for those employees who contribute to the success of the company. If leftists make success more difficult these companies use their expertise to overcome the barriers constructed by the leftists. This concept is foreign to libs.
Illinois esteemed Dick Durbin has been talking about this here too.
I think it started when an Illinois company (Walgreens) said it was "movin on up." Out of Illinois, out of the country, for that matter.
Hey, Dick, how about making Illinois more FRIENDLY to business instead of driving them out, then wanting to punish them??
How about less concern about illegal immigrants and more concern about Illinois business??
Yep, that's Illinois for you. We may get rid of the Democrat Governor (Pat Quinn), but Dick Durbin probably stays. THis is the nonsense of Illinois. Yes, myself and my family vote, but we are outnumbered by Democrat "outreach" in Chicago.
Another brilliant Durbin idea - a non binding ballot initiative "should millionaires pay a 3% surcharge?"
DaisyJane :huh:
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 30, 2014, 05:20:25 PM
Who would expect anything less from an avowed leftist. American companies do not exist for the sole purpose of supplying the US Treasury with funds. Their goal is to produce a profit for their shareholders and by doing so offer opportunities for those employees who contribute to the success of the company. If leftists make success more difficult these companies use their expertise to overcome the barriers constructed by the leftists. This concept is foreign to libs.
Ha ha. Surely you jest.
When then-Senator John Kerry bought his $7 million yacht
Isabel from a New Zealand boatbuilder a few years ago, he decided to berth the boat in Rhode Island, rather than in his home state of Massachusetts. Why? He had 507,000 reasons -- dollars he would have owed in sales and excise taxes had he used a port in MA. Boat-friendly RI had no such taxes.
I think that's pretty much the concept, don't you?
One of my fave persons of interest is Mark Mobius; Executive Chairman of Franklin Templeton Emerging Markets Group, who renounced his American Citizenship during the Clinton tax-era...became a German-citizen and moved to Hong Kong. Investors frequently like companies and individuals who are willing to do what it takes to maximize investment-returns. Scum like Warren can do nothing about it. Money 'finds a way' to leave the Country if it has to.
Quote from: kit saginaw on July 30, 2014, 08:06:59 PM
One of my fave persons of interest is Mark Mobius; Executive Chairman of Franklin Templeton Emerging Markets Group, who renounced his American Citizenship during the Clinton tax-era...became a German-citizen and moved to Hong Kong. Investors frequently like companies and individuals who are willing to do what it takes to maximize investment-returns. Scum like Warren can do nothing about it. Money 'finds a way' to leave the Country if it has to.
Not only that, the money generally finds the pathways Congress itself stakes out. Companies use "inversion" because they can, much as a boy dog licks his balls.
Honestly, if companies are leaving because of high taxes, and going to places with lower taxes, something is wrong. I see it as a country whose taxes are too high to be competitive in the global market. The net result is even lower taxes from corporations which democrats seem to think means we need to raise taxes to cover the shortage.
There is a sweet spot for taxes where the government gains the most money, and we, as a country, remain competitive.
Quote from: ConservativeMe on July 30, 2014, 08:34:25 PM
Honestly, if companies are leaving because of high taxes, and going to places with lower taxes, something is wrong. I see it as a country whose taxes are too high to be competitive in the global market. The net result is even lower taxes from corporations which democrats seem to think means we need to raise taxes to cover the shortage.
There is a sweet spot for taxes where the government gains the most money, and we, as a country, remain competitive.
Yes. It is where income taxes are 0%.
Quote from: ConservativeMe on July 30, 2014, 08:34:25 PM
Honestly, if companies are leaving because of high taxes, and going to places with lower taxes, something is wrong. I see it as a country whose taxes are too high to be competitive in the global market. The net result is even lower taxes from corporations which democrats seem to think means we need to raise taxes to cover the shortage.
There is a sweet spot for taxes where the government gains the most money, and we, as a country, remain competitive.
Ca is a perfect example of what happens when govt exceeds it's reach, the producers leave, while the takers thrive.
Now the state, a once thriving economy on the world stage, only 2nd in the world to the US and tied with France and now has fallen to somewhere around 10th or lower, all thanks to crippling liberalism.
The only thing keeping Ca afloat is Silicon valley, and that industry is tenuous at best, and a bubble about to pop heading into it's bad days.
WOW, with that kind of response all I can say is "Shut up, and pay your taxes" Corporations won't.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 31, 2014, 03:52:08 AM
WOW, with that kind of response all I can say is "Shut up, and pay your taxes" Corporations won't.
Why should they when there are legal ways for them to avoid paying?
Quote from: gandb77 on July 31, 2014, 03:52:08 AM
WOW, with that kind of response all I can say is "Shut up, and pay your taxes" Corporations won't.
I knew you were looking for support in her effort to demonize business. Too bad you can't see what a monster government had become.
The more I see of the various responses to things, it begins to appear that this is a forum for the wealthy.
Always against those things that would inhibit the wealthy from attaining and keeping governmental control.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 31, 2014, 05:18:59 AM
The more I see of the various responses to things, it begins to appear that this is a forum for the wealthy.
Not really. We're concerned about how the money is spent.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 31, 2014, 05:18:59 AM
The more I see of the various responses to things, it begins to appear that this is a forum for the wealthy.
Always against those things that would inhibit the wealthy from attaining and keeping governmental control.
Only a fool would walk over a penny and not stop and pick it up.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 31, 2014, 05:18:59 AM
The more I see of the various responses to things, it begins to appear that this is a forum for the wealthy.
Always against those things that would inhibit the wealthy from attaining and keeping governmental control.
Now, there's a liberal assessment if I've ever heard one and, quite frankly, a load of horse manure.
Quote from: walkstall on July 31, 2014, 05:46:53 AM
Only a fool would walk over a penny and not stop and pick it up.
First of all, it's questionable these days whether a penny is worth the time and energy spent picking it up. But the interesting thing is how some Leftards assume that you have to be wealthy, in order no to be consumed with envy of the wealthy. That's projection and more a description of the Left than it is of the right. The politics of the Left are based, at their heart, on a mixture of Envy and Egotism. Burning of Envy of anyone who has done better than you have, and Egotism in their inability to admit that this person might be smarter, harder working, or sometimes luckier, than they are. Incidentally, I don't mean luckier in having popped out of the right womb; but in being in the right place, at the right time, and having the courageous to take advantage of circumstances.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 30, 2014, 04:29:05 PM
Elizabeth Warren recently gave a speech before congress castigating american companies for establishing their headquarters overseas to avoid U. S. taxes. She was proposing support for a bill outlawing this practice called Inversion .
What is the position of this forums participants toward this practice and the bill Warren supports?
I won't presume to speak for the entire forum. If Warren really thought US corporations would stand still to be plundered and regulated into bankruptcy, she's a greater fool than even I think she is.
BTW, did you post this thread using a Mac, iPad or iPhone?
Quote from: mdgiles on July 31, 2014, 05:57:04 AM
First of all, it's questionable these days whether a penny is worth the time and energy spent picking it up. But the interesting thing is how some Leftards assume that you have to be wealthy, in order no to be consumed with envy of the wealthy. That's projection and more a description of the Left than it is of the right. The politics of the Left are based, at their heart, on a mixture of Envy and Egotism. Burning of Envy of anyone who has done better than you have, and Egotism in their inability to admit that this person might be smarter, harder working, or sometimes luckier, than they are. Incidentally, I don't mean luckier in having popped out of the right womb; but in being in the right place, at the right time, and having the courageous to take advantage of circumstances.
I see your much younger then I am. The value of copper is up. :lol:
Quote from: gandb77 on July 31, 2014, 03:52:08 AM
WOW, with that kind of response all I can say is "Shut up, and pay your taxes" Corporations won't.
Why do you think the head of GE found a seat on the Marxist POTUS Cabinet?
Because the Dims are trying to steal the crony capitalist moniker from the GOP, if they get the US Chamber of Commerce, they pretty much gut the GOP as it stands, which is exactly what they're in the process of doing.
The GOP recently proved their loyalties are with corporate interests and could care less what the voter wants, which is why TEA is stealing the party from these scum.
And guess what happens when these corporations get in bed with a leftist govt, really, take a guess.
They become Nationalized, and what happens when they become Nationalized?
They no longer have any competition, the nation loses Capitalism, and it will be too late to turn back from the fall into Communism.
So maybe you can figure out for yourself the age old question as a shareholder earning an income or saving for a retirement through investments in said corporations, what will your vote be?
Will you vote to keep the headquarters in the US and get less in dividends, or vote to move it to another country where they pay no tax, in turn making you more money in your investment?
As a shareholder, you are technically a part time owner, as an owner and a Capitalist, what would you do? Keep in mind, we are a Capitalist Nation.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 31, 2014, 05:18:59 AM
The more I see of the various responses to things, it begins to appear that this is a forum for the wealthy.
Always against those things that would inhibit the wealthy from attaining and keeping governmental control.
:ttoung: In what stereotype-fantasy world do you reside? My household combined income is under six figures, and I live in Silicon Valley, among the more expensive housing markets in the US. I doubt many here are close to being wealthy. We've simply learned the lesson of the quote in my signature.
Try learning something of people here before labeling them.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 31, 2014, 05:18:59 AM
The more I see of the various responses to things, it begins to appear that this is a forum for the wealthy.
Always against those things that would inhibit the wealthy from attaining and keeping governmental control.
With all those Democrat millionaires in the House and Senate, why would you inhibit their retaining control?
As for the "appear(ance)" of this place, we are always against leftist leeches convinced they are entitled to other people's money. Parasites vote leftist. Decent people do not.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 31, 2014, 05:18:59 AM
The more I see of the various responses to things, it begins to appear that this is a forum for the wealthy.
Always against those things that would inhibit the wealthy from attaining and keeping governmental control.
So what you're saying is you want govt to regulate profits?
Che and Castro would embrace you in a heart beat.
Quote from: Solar on July 31, 2014, 06:10:51 AM
Why do you think the head of GE found a seat on the Marxist POTUS Cabinet?
Because the Dims are trying to steal the crony capitalist moniker from the GOP, if they get the US Chamber of Commerce, they pretty much gut the GOP as it stands, which is exactly what they're in the process of doing.
The GOP recently proved their loyalties are with corporate interests and could care less what the voter wants, which is why TEA is stealing the party from these scum.
And guess what happens when these corporations get in bed with a leftist govt, really, take a guess.
They become Nationalized, and what happens when they become Nationalized?
They no longer have any competition, the nation loses Capitalism, and it will be too late to turn back from the fall into Communism.
So maybe you can figure out for yourself the age old question as a shareholder earning an income or saving for a retirement through investments in said corporations, what will your vote be?
Will you vote to keep the headquarters in the US and get less in dividends, or vote to move it to another country where they pay no tax, in turn making you more money in your investment?
As a shareholder, you are technically a part time owner, as an owner and a Capitalist, what would you do? Keep in mind, we are a Capitalist Nation.
Of course they did. With government bound and determined to "regulate" business, it would be stupid to sit this one out. Businessmen aren't stupid, regulatory agencies are simply another business opportunity. A way to get a step ahead of rivals, beat off competitors, and increase market share. For some reason Leftards believe that businesses are supposed to be trembling with fear of the regulatory agencies, in reality those agencies are simply another paperwork, and accounting, expense. Something else to be passed on to the consumers.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 31, 2014, 05:18:59 AM
The more I see of the various responses to things, it begins to appear that this is a forum for the wealthy.
Always against those things that would inhibit the wealthy from attaining and keeping governmental control.
lol, lots of wealthy people around here. Dumbass liberal..........are you just dedicated to saying things that couldn't be more wrong ?
Can you wrap your head around "opportunity to earn & have wealth makes a USA.....no opportunity to do so, makes a North Korea" ?
On the topic, lol, inversion means nothing but 50-80% tax rates and criminalization of leaving the state with your property, personal or corporate.
Yeah, that's always worked just fine, from Nazi Germany all the way through the great communist countries of the last 100 years.
Quote from: AndyJackson on July 31, 2014, 07:02:29 AM
On the topic, lol, inversion means nothing but 50-80% tax rates and criminalization of leaving the state with your property, personal or corporate.
Yeah, that's always worked just fine, from Nazi Germany all the way through the great communist countries of the last 100 years.
That's because they are Leftards and never realize that the most important thing isn't the factory buildings, or wealth they leave behind; but the intellect and attitudes they take with them. If the war had lasted six months longer, the Nazis would have had the opportunity to get up close and personal, with the "Jewish" A-Bomb, built by all those "Jewish" scientists, they ran out of Europe.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 31, 2014, 06:45:45 AM
Of course they did. With government bound and determined to "regulate" business, it would be stupid to sit this one out. Businessmen aren't stupid, regulatory agencies are simply another business opportunity. A way to get a step ahead of rivals, beat off competitors, and increase market share. For some reason Leftards believe that businesses are supposed to be trembling with fear of the regulatory agencies, in reality those agencies are simply another paperwork, and accounting, expense. Something else to be passed on to the consumers.
:lol:
It's sad that it's even true, but you're exactly right, they have a completely bass ackwards view of the purpose of govt.
Quote from: Solar on July 31, 2014, 07:22:31 AM
:lol:
It's sad that it's even true, but you're exactly right, they have a completely bass ackwards view of the purpose of govt.
Obama's the ultimate example. He hates that the constitution is a declaration of things the govt can't do to the people. He has said many times it should be completely rewritten to be a list of things that the govt will give / do for the people.
Nevermind that everything ever written / attempted like that has always failed....but ours simply created the most productive, effective, successful country and economy and quality of life......EVER.
Nope, don't acknowledge that, dumbasses. Liberalism is a mental disorder, and a juvenile one at that.
It's pretty funny to assert we must be wealthy because we don't like the government taking from one person and giving it to someone who didn't work for it.
Sure, we must be rich to not want to support some other country's kids that came here illegally. Or our own citizens having babies they cannot afford and paying to raise them.
We must be rolling in money to not want our nation destroyed by people from other countries coming here and expecting us to support them. Then, those same people refusing to assimilate.
Nope, we don't want anyone's income redistributed you IDIOT.
DaisyJane :angry:
Quote from: gandb77 on July 30, 2014, 04:29:05 PM
Elizabeth Warren recently gave a speech before congress castigating american companies for establishing their headquarters overseas to avoid U. S. taxes. She was proposing support for a bill outlawing this practice called Inversion .
What is the position of this forums participants toward this practice and the bill Warren supports?
The position is Princess run off at the mouth should assume the following postion, bend over at the waist, grab her ankles and lift her head up. Then she can get a good swift kick in the keester that might knock some sense into her.
FREE MARKET CAPITALISM means just that...FREE....you want business to quit going off shore to other countries? Then do what other countries do.... DON'T TAX THEM FOR 3 years.....if they hire x amount of citizens of that country (in the case of the US 98% Native born Americans and heavy priortiy to Vets.
I like the fact she is becoming so high profile. All her positions and utterances show her to be the flaming lib she is. I want lots of material by 2016.
Can we all move our income to Ireland so as to avoid U.S. taxes?
Quote from: gandb77 on August 01, 2014, 04:21:51 AM
Can we all move our income to Ireland so as to avoid U.S. taxes?
Is it legal?
Is there a tax loophole?. If there is, and it saves you a lot of money, you'd be a fool not to.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 31, 2014, 03:52:08 AM
WOW, with that kind of response all I can say is "Shut up, and pay your taxes" Corporations won't.
Wow, with your response all I can say is LOWER taxes for corporations and give them incentives to keep or move their businesses back to the U.S.
Wigwam Warren is a progressive liberal mental midget who has very little experience and really doesn't have a clue just like Obamadrama.
Why is there not a tax loophole to allow american citizens to move their income to Ireland to avoid taxes?
Quote from: gandb77 on August 01, 2014, 05:38:00 AM
Why is there not a tax loophole to allow american citizens to move their income to Ireland to avoid taxes?
Why should there be?
American corporations already have this option. Is what's good for corporations not good for individual taxpaying citizens?
Quote from: gandb77 on August 01, 2014, 06:09:17 AM
American corporations already have this option. Is what's good for corporations not good for individual taxpaying citizens?
So incorporate! If you had a clue, you'd know that what you're saying is simply beyond ignorant.
Start with the basics, learn what it means to incorporate.
What is it with you libs, that you think the govt has the right to confiscate wealth?
The money does not belong to the govt, it belongs to the share holder, the little guy trying to save for retirement.
If you have any kind of investment portfolio, you'd see that it's heavily invested in these entities, so wanting to force them to pay higher taxes only hurts the little guy.
ALL TAXES are passed along to the end user. Think about that, or is, as I suspect, economics above your pay grade?
And for some moderately challenging Economics, learn this truth: "Corporations never pay taxes; their customers do."
Quote from: suzziY on August 01, 2014, 05:08:05 AM
Wow, with your response all I can say is LOWER taxes for corporations and give them incentives to keep or move their businesses back to the U.S.
Wigwam Warren is a progressive liberal mental midget who has very little experience and really doesn't have a clue just like Obamadrama.
She has strong appeal to the OWS types. I think that's who she's pandering to. Unfortunately there's a lot of them out there -- especially in the North East.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 31, 2014, 05:57:04 AM
First of all, it's questionable these days whether a penny is worth the time and energy spent picking it up.
This from The Straight Dope (www.straightdope.com (http://www.straightdope.com)):
QuoteDear Cecil:
On the way home this morning I stopped to pick up two one-dollar bills which I assume someone lost in an alley. Reflecting on the decreasing value of the dollar led me to consider this question: is it worth it to pick up a penny? That is, considering the amount of energy expended and the cost of food required to provide said energy, can the penny be considered a profit?
— Nick L., Chicago
Cecil replies:
Let's not make this any more complicated than we have to. The Scientific Research Team here at Straight Dope HQ has proven that a proficient penny-picker upper can probably pick up a particular penny in five seconds. On an hourly basis this works out to $7.20 per hour. As of 9/1/97, minimum wage will be a mere $5.15 an hour. Wherefore, if perchance a penny appears, pounce upon that puppy promptly, Poopsie. And pass that spittoon on your way out. Please.
— Cecil Adams
Of course, the minimum wage has gone up since that was written, but still.... :tounge:
What concerns me more is a factoid I recently read that claimed that a new US penny costs about 1.7 cents to make. :blink:
Quote from: SVPete on August 01, 2014, 09:18:15 AM
And for some moderately challenging Economics, learn this truth: "Corporations never pay taxes; their customers do."
And the concept went right over his head.
I bet he thinks food comes from grocery stores.
Quote from: walkstall on July 31, 2014, 06:06:39 AM
I see your much younger then I am. The value of copper is up. :lol:
Sad to say, today's pennies are almost pure zinc (http://www.coinflation.com/). :huh:
It really says something about a nation's government and its policy toward business when any given company find a more business friendly environment in a foreign nation.
-Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on August 01, 2014, 12:28:09 PM
It really says something about a nation's government and its policy toward business when any given company find a more business friendly environment in a foreign nation.
-Darth
Well stated. People who hire people should not be the enemies of the government.
Quote from: carlb on August 01, 2014, 09:28:12 AM
She has strong appeal to the OWS types. I think that's who she's pandering to. Unfortunately there's a lot of them out there -- especially in the North East.
The good part of that is that most of those morons are going to Colorado to suck up the legalized weed, with any luck at all they'll all stay there.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 01, 2014, 02:22:29 PM
Well stated. People who hire people should not be the enemies of the government.
Not enemies, just scape goats. Government prefer to have the businesses stay so the consumers can curse them, not their Congresscritter. As you noted, ALL taxes in the end, are individual taxes. But as our leftist "friend" has demonstrated, some people will never realize that.
When you can't answer the question, resort to name calling and derogatory insinuations.
Taxes not paid by corporations are therefore paid by individual taxpayers.
Are you all happy with that?
Quote from: gandb77 on August 02, 2014, 04:43:06 AM
When you can't answer the question, resort to name calling and derogatory insinuations.
Taxes not paid by corporations are therefore paid by individual taxpayers.
Are you all happy with that?
Or, and there is another option. Lower their taxes, encourage development of industry here in the US.
Can you imagine the benefit to having more people employed? That's right, more people paying lower taxes, will more than offset the commie idea of tax as a punishment.
Reagan proved the concept with trickle down economics. You know the idea, it's called Capitalism!
And you wonder why people call you names?
Quote from: Solar on August 02, 2014, 05:16:49 AM
Or, and there is another option. Lower their taxes, encourage development of industry here in the US.
Can you imagine the benefit to having more people employed? That's right, more people paying lower taxes, will more than offset the commie idea of tax as a punishment.
Reagan proved the concept with trickle down economics. You know the idea, it's called Capitalism!
And you wonder why people call you names?
Ah, but by actually bringing businesses back to the U.S. and employing more people, you would have less people dependent on government! That's contrary to the liberal leftist mental midget agenda.
Quote from: suzziY on August 02, 2014, 05:32:25 AM
Ah, but by actually bringing businesses back to the U.S. and employing more people, you would have less people dependent on government! That's contrary to the liberal leftist mental midget agenda.
:lol: h
I was hoping he could see that. :biggrin:
You see it, I see it, to us it's commonsense, but to these kids, the whole concept is foreign, they think govt is their friend, when in fact, even our Founders knew it was an evil that needed containment.
Quote from: Solar on August 02, 2014, 05:35:25 AM
:lol: h
I was hoping he could see that. :biggrin:
You see it, I see it, to us it's commonsense, but to these kids, the whole concept is foreign, they think govt is their friend, when in fact, even our Founders knew it was an evil that needed containment.
These kids all believe Obozo and the government are going to rescue them from the loans they took out - to study drama and modern dance. Government is going to rescue them and stick the taxpayers with the bill.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 02, 2014, 07:48:20 AM
These kids all believe Obozo and the government are going to rescue them from the loans they took out - to study drama and modern dance. Government is going to rescue them and stick the taxpayers with the bill.
You're probably correct, sadly.
I'm not even certain they make the connection between govt and the taxpayer.
They see govt as the creator of wealth, so anyone with money has govt to thank for it, and this cause is justification for redistribution of said wealth.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 02, 2014, 07:48:20 AM
These kids all believe Obozo and the government are going to rescue them from the loans they took out - to study drama and modern dance. Government is going to rescue them and stick the taxpayers with the bill.
Of course it would be
unthinkably cruel to force a leftist to accept reality. The UN gets called in. Lawyers skydive from above out of fleets of C-130s. The media goes stereotypically berserk.
So it's also stupid of us to point out where the real jobs are, or the unpleasant reality that we are all getting older but THIS generation (me included) are getting older in larger numbers and the Baby Boomers will definitely need in-home health care or other assistance, just as much as hospitals and physical therapy outfits would also need people trained in age-related injuries or other "old folks medical stuff."
Will government rescue THOSE workers by forcing a mandated minimum wage set high enough to attract those we need, or will free markets prevail despite SEIU thuggery and we get people who are there to help, rather than wage-slaves just looking for top dollar and don't care about whom they're hired to serve?
We pause now for that image of the old Eskimo trudging off onto the ice floe.
There is a small ,but very vocal, contingent of posters on this forum that feel any adverse comments about business or the wealthy are the result of "Lib", "Dims" or "Commies".
I am none of these, but do feel that Campaign funding should be restricted and is not free speech, and can be used to buy access and preferential laws.
That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers.
That taxes on dividends and capital gains should not be set lower than taxes on income earned by wage earners.
That unbridled illegal immigration is desired by both the democrats (to increase votes) and republicans (to increase cheap labor). This has caused much unemployment, reduced wages, and has increased welfare and medical costs
If these are lib views, than I would guess I am actually a lib, although I always felt I was very conservative.
Watch now and see how the small contingent of business backers respond to this, ie name calling, derogatory comments, belittling etc
Quote from: gandb77 on August 04, 2014, 05:17:28 AM
There is a small ,but very vocal, contingent of posters on this forum that feel any adverse comments about business or the wealthy are the result of "Lib", "Dims" or "Commies".
I am none of these, but do feel that Campaign funding should be restricted and is not free speech, and can be used to buy access and preferential laws.
That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers.
That taxes on dividends and capital gains should not be set lower than taxes on income earned by wage earners.
That unbridled illegal immigration is desired by both the democrats (to increase votes) and republicans (to increase cheap labor). This has caused much unemployment, reduced wages, and has increased welfare and medical costs
If these are lib views, than I would guess I am actually a lib, although I always felt I was very conservative.
Watch now and see how the small contingent of business backers respond to this, ie name calling, derogatory comments, belittling etc
Interesting that your claim is that democrats want more votes and republicans want cheap labor.....I don't think you know the difference between conservative and republican. Conservatives claim that businesses are created by individuals who have the means to do so, so why punish them with exorbitant taxes and regulations? These are the ones helping to keep the economy going by creating jobs. It is a liberal myth that businesses have all the money and can therefore be counted on to create jobs, pay huge salaries to us, keep nothing out of their dealings for their own families plus keep the tax brokers happy.
Do you work on a public job? How did that business get started? Whose extraordinary expertise and business savvy got your business going? We're not all smart enough to build businesses and employ huge numbers of workers and I think the ones that are ought not be punished for giving the little man an opportunity to live and work and plan.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 04, 2014, 05:17:28 AM
There is a small ,but very vocal, contingent of posters on this forum that feel any adverse comments about business or the wealthy are the result of "Lib", "Dims" or "Commies".
I am none of these, but do feel that Campaign funding should be restricted and is not free speech, and can be used to buy access and preferential laws.
That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers.
That taxes on dividends and capital gains should not be set lower than taxes on income earned by wage earners.
That unbridled illegal immigration is desired by both the democrats (to increase votes) and republicans (to increase cheap labor). This has caused much unemployment, reduced wages, and has increased welfare and medical costs
If these are lib views, than I would guess I am actually a lib, although I always felt I was very conservative.
Watch now and see how the small contingent of business backers respond to this, ie name calling, derogatory comments, belittling etc
It's not that you make adverse comments; it's that your adverse comments show a complete misunderstanding of the way business operates. Not to mention, the idea that somehow its the businesses "duty" to pay as much money as you feel like asking for. As long as the tax code allows businesses to relocate, they will do so , in order to find the best business climate. Your attitude shows that you hate the idea that they might be able to out run you greedy grasp. Of course you never seem to consider that it might be your exorbitant tax rates which might be at fault.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 04, 2014, 05:17:28 AM
There is a small ,but very vocal, contingent of posters on this forum that feel any adverse comments about business or the wealthy are the result of "Lib", "Dims" or "Commies".
I am none of these, but do feel that Campaign funding should be restricted and is not free speech, and can be used to buy access and preferential laws.
That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers.
That taxes on dividends and capital gains should not be set lower than taxes on income earned by wage earners.
That unbridled illegal immigration is desired by both the democrats (to increase votes) and republicans (to increase cheap labor). This has caused much unemployment, reduced wages, and has increased welfare and medical costs
If these are lib views, than I would guess I am actually a lib, although I always felt I was very conservative.
Watch now and see how the small contingent of business backers respond to this, ie name calling, derogatory comments, belittling etc
In all due respect those are lib views. The one about taxes on dividends and capital gains is truly a far left view. Keep in mind the investments that return dividends and capital gains were purchased with funds after taxes were paid on the funds.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 04, 2014, 06:00:32 AM
It's not that you make adverse comments; it's that your adverse comments show a complete misunderstanding of the way business operates. Not to mention, the idea that somehow its the businesses "duty" to pay as much money as you feel like asking for. As long as the tax code allows businesses to relocate, they will do so , in order to find the best business climate. Your attitude shows that you hate the idea that they might be able to out run you greedy grasp. Of course you never seem to consider that it might be your exorbitant tax rates which might be at fault.
Why is it, stating the obvious goes over a libs head?
Gandb, if I threaten to take a portion of your pay, tax you at higher rates than the neighboring state on everything you own, what would you do?
Are you morally obliged to pay just because they say so, or do you protest with you feet and move to another state?
Is it your money, or is it the govt's?
Quote from: Solar on August 04, 2014, 06:54:10 AM
Why is it, stating the obvious goes over a libs head?
Gandb, if I threaten to take a portion of your pay, tax you at higher rates than the neighboring state on everything you own, what would you do?
Are you morally obliged to pay just because they say so, or do you protest with you feet and move to another state?
Is it your money, or is it the govt's?
Actually it's fairly simple. They may not really recognize it, but at the heart of every Libtards belief system is the idea that the businesses didn't really earn it's profits, but somehow stole/found them. If you accept that, for the business not to want to give some of those "ill gotten" gains back is "wrong".
Quote from: mdgiles on August 04, 2014, 07:24:13 AM
Actually it's fairly simple. They may not really recognize it, but at the heart of every Libtards belief system is the idea that the businesses didn't really earn it's profits, but somehow stole/found them. If you accept that, for the business not to want to give some of those "ill gotten" gains back is "wrong".
They fail to understand one thing,
"If you find a man on top of a mountain, he didn't fall there".
They assume anyone that made it to the top, had help from govt.
Yet they fail to see govt was an impediment every step of the way, even taking food out of his mouth during his assent to the top.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 04, 2014, 05:17:28 AM
There is a small ,but very vocal, contingent of posters on this forum that feel any adverse comments about business or the wealthy are the result of "Lib", "Dims" or "Commies".
I am none of these, but do feel that Campaign funding should be restricted and is not free speech, and can be used to buy access and preferential laws.
That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers.
That taxes on dividends and capital gains should not be set lower than taxes on income earned by wage earners.
That unbridled illegal immigration is desired by both the democrats (to increase votes) and republicans (to increase cheap labor). This has caused much unemployment, reduced wages, and has increased welfare and medical costs
If these are lib views, than I would guess I am actually a lib, although I always felt I was very conservative.
Watch now and see how the small contingent of business backers respond to this, ie name calling, derogatory comments, belittling etc
Hmm... What you fail to understand is that
all tax is passed on to the consumer one way or the other. If I pay less in taxes by moving, you pay less for something as a consumer. Think of it this way, will you pay 200.000$ for a house when you could get the very same thing for 100.000$ across the street?
Quote"That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers."
Brilliant, you know what happens when you prevent business from doing that? They either sell off the business because it's not profitable or cut the number of employees, and even if the biggest companies continue business the incentive to create a business is essentially gone and millions of jobs that could have been created is not...
And then the liberals come in and say "See!! the private market doesn't work". What you are talking about is what happened in Norway. Norway had the biggest merchant fleet in the world after WW1, and what did the Socialist do? They increased taxes on those filthy rich owner scum which forced the owners to move overseas and then the Socialist used that as an example of market not working, it is intellectually disgusting.
The clue is not to not raise taxes and have predictable legislation/regulation/taxation something socialist/liberals are incapable of doing as they pass a new law every time they take a sh*t. The result is what the is US legal code today. Businesses/factories would love to stay in the west even with the high wages, the problem is the libtards hoovering over the market like cannibals just waiting to consume it all.
Quote from: Solar on August 01, 2014, 09:56:46 AM
And the concept went right over his head.
I bet he thinks food comes from grocery stores.
I used to think MONEY came from grocery stores!
As a child, I noticed that people SEEMED to get more money after they paid the cashier. Say hand them a $20 bill and get singles and change back.
Of course, these days, people think no one pays for an EBT card.
DaisyJane
Quote"That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers."
I realize this is a difficult concept for you Leftards to understand; but when your expenses are greater than your income, you normally cut back on your expenses. Are you trying to tell us that all the money the government spends is necessary spending? I guess you've forgotten about stupid conferences, with people in Star Trek videos.
So, are all you business backers going to change your personal mailing address overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes. Sounds like turnaround is fair play.
By the way, who makes up the tax deficit that the businesses avoid?
Quote from: gandb77 on August 06, 2014, 04:42:48 AM
By the way, who makes up the tax deficit that the businesses avoid?
Even if we taxed all businesses 100% it would not make up the spending deficit.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 06, 2014, 04:42:48 AM
By the way, who makes up the tax deficit that the businesses avoid?
Who drives them away with higher taxes?
What part of killing industry do you not get, and why can't you see that it's the left in bed with corporate interests now?
GE head in the Hussein administration, the Marxists promise of no lobbyist connections will ever enter his Cabinet?
Now do some research and see just how many lobbyists he's had go through that revolving door.
The left threatens these corporations with higher taxes and increased regulations if they don't comply, so the larger corps pay up, higher a lobbyist to placate the the leach..
After awhile this became a symbiotic relationship, just like it did with the GOP RINO, where they lobby to get special considerations over competition, and now the Dims are the Wall st interest, the very thing you and I despised about the GOP.
Seriously, we're not the enemy, help us purge this cancer from our country and vote TEA, it's our last chance, or we head down the road to communism.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 06, 2014, 04:42:48 AM
By the way, who makes up the tax deficit that the businesses avoid?
Do you really believe corporations absorb those additional losses? No, it is a cost of business that is passed onto the consumer. Quite frankly, I would rather leave the funds with a private corporation than turn it over to a bunch of bureaucrats who are guaranteed to waste it.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 06, 2014, 04:42:48 AM
By the way, who makes up the tax deficit that the businesses avoid?
Again you evidence that basic misunderstanding. It's the BUSINESSES money, not the governments. You act as if these businesses are making off with something that belongs to someone else. The first thing to consider if you're overspending (deficit) is whether all those expenses are necessary. Try walking into your boss and telling him/her you need a raise because you're having trouble making your Bentley payments.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 06, 2014, 06:05:11 AM
Do you really believe corporations absorb those additional losses? No, it is a cost of business that is passed onto the consumer. Quite frankly, I would rather leave the funds with a private corporation than turn it over to a bunch of bureaucrats who are guaranteed to waste it.
Libs never seem to understand business, in the sense, it always pursues profit, will always charge what the mkt will bare.
Then govt comes along and interferes with the business model by increased pressure to raise more revenue via forced tax increase.
Business is left with a few options, capitulate and risk losing your customer, or higher lobbyists and get in bed with govt, which most business can't afford, or..the final option, close or move.
They fail to understand, business is not the enemy, govt is, it's an obstructive cancer.
Quote from: gandb77 on July 30, 2014, 04:29:05 PM
Elizabeth Warren recently gave a speech before congress castigating american companies for establishing their headquarters overseas to avoid U. S. taxes. She was proposing support for a bill outlawing this practice called Inversion .
What is the position of this forums participants toward this practice and the bill Warren supports?
First of all, and I've stated this before, Elizabeth Warren is a dangerous progressive liberal. What business does our government have to tell any corporation or business where they can and cannot move to? Instead of proposing a bill to outlaw inversion, strangling businesses with higher taxes and Obamacare mandates they should be supporting a bill to give tax incentives to corporations and businesses to keep them here in the U.S. What she is proposing is nothing more than government being able to "dictate" to companies how they do business. Government should not be in the business to CONTROL business. Contrary to liberal warped thinking, you cannot create jobs and increase business by raising taxes on those same businesses. IF it is not economical for a company to continue to do business in the U.S. then it is only logical that they move the business or create a tax domicile overseas. It is logical and makes economic sense to lower corporate business taxes to keep business here. By doing so, it would allow companies to profit and expand and CREATE JOBS ... something this administration has failed miserably at. Liberals feel that they should rob from the rich corporations and give to the poor. This in essence is nothing more than a way to redistribute wealth.
Let me see, George H. Bush drafted NAFTA which was signed into law by Clinton to encourage "free trade"; as a result millions of jobs have been lost and hundreds of companies have moved overseas. Now, they want to prevent companies from going overseas. Am I missing something here??
While you "conservatives" believe in the things you espouse, you are mistaken in the belief that business exist to create jobs. Businesses are as greedy as anyone else and will do those things that benefit themselves.
Nafta and Gatt are not good programs as they allowed business to move manufacturing overseas while still having the benefit of the american markets, laws, and regulations. Now Inversion further allows them to avoid taxes and still have the benefit of american markets, laws, and regulations.
It would seem that this hollowing out of america will eventually result in an america much like the third world south american countries.
Further illegal immigrations will further ensure this.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 09, 2014, 05:21:21 AM
While you "conservatives" believe in the things you espouse, you are mistaken in the belief that business exist to create jobs. Businesses are as greedy as anyone else and will do those things that benefit themselves.
Dude, do you even read?
Quote from: Solar on August 09, 2014, 05:21:21 AMLibs never seem to understand business, in the sense, it always pursues profit
Quote from: Mountainshield on August 09, 2014, 05:46:04 AM
Dude, do you even read?
NICE. No answer, Just another attempt at belittlement.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 09, 2014, 05:52:20 AM
NICE. No answer, Just another attempt at belittlement.
-_-
Quote from: gandb77 on August 09, 2014, 05:21:21 AM
While you "conservatives" believe in the things you espouse, you are mistaken in the belief that business exist to create jobs. Businesses are as greedy as anyone else and will do those things that benefit themselves.
Nafta and Gatt are not good programs as they allowed business to move manufacturing overseas while still having the benefit of the american markets, laws, and regulations. Now Inversion further allows them to avoid taxes and still have the benefit of american markets, laws, and regulations.
It would seem that this hollowing out of america will eventually result in an america much like the third world south american countries.
Further illegal immigrations will further ensure this.
And tell us. Who gave us NAFTA?
But don't confuse all business with corporations like GE, who no longer hold allegiance to any nation.
Just because a business incorporates, doesn't mean it's a soulless entity. Incorporating is a way of protecting the soul of the business from the greedy interests of govt and other corporate entities.
Eg. Chick A Fila.
If the left would help us do tort reform, incorporating wouldn't be as necessary, people wouldn't fear being sued for everything they have.
If you're going to attempt discussion on a any given topic, I suggest you at least make a grade school attempt at understanding it's basic premise and why it even has a need in existing.
Even the smallest business has to, unfortunately incorporate, in order to protect the owner from govt and a litigious public.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 09, 2014, 05:52:20 AM
NICE. No answer, Just another attempt at belittlement.
Mountainshield did answer you, but you did not comprehend it. The purpose of business is tp make a profit. One of the benefits of profit is it allows those businesses to hire people to enable growth and additional profit.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 09, 2014, 08:04:23 AM
Mountainshield did answer you, but you did not comprehend it. The purpose of business is tp make a profit. One of the benefits of profit is it allows those businesses to hire people to enable growth and additional profit.
You'll have to excuse gandb77, like many leftists , he seems to believe that businesses are charities.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 30, 2014, 05:20:25 PM
Who would expect anything less from an avowed leftist. American companies do not exist for the sole purpose of supplying the US Treasury with funds. Their goal is to produce a profit for their shareholders and by doing so offer opportunities for those employees who contribute to the success of the company. If leftists make success more difficult these companies use their expertise to overcome the barriers constructed by the leftists. This concept is foreign to libs.
Hold up here folks, sorry to rain on the hate E. Warren stupid liberal parade. But if they are as a legal entity going to also benefit from government services, shouldn't they also like every other citizen who benefits from government help to pay for said services? While yes it is true they are doing nothing illegal or outside the law. This does not necessarily mean the law shouldn't or cannot be changed. The problem, at it's root in my own opinion is the Sixteenth. Repeal that and this, along with many other "issues" go away, poof, overnight.
Quote from: daidalos on August 09, 2014, 08:17:53 AM
Hold up here folks, sorry to rain on the hate E. Warren stupid liberal parade. But if they are as a legal entity going to also benefit from government services, shouldn't they also like every other citizen who benefits from government help to pay for said services? While yes it is true they are doing nothing illegal or outside the law. This does not necessarily mean the law shouldn't or cannot be changed. The problem, at it's root in my own opinion is the Sixteenth. Repeal that and this, along with many other "issues" go away, poof, overnight.
these businesses are not evading taxes, which is illegal; but avoiding taxes which is quite legal. Nothing in the tax code requires that you pay as much tax as possible. Even individual taxpayers take advantage of the tax law.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 09, 2014, 05:21:21 AM
While you "conservatives" believe in the things you espouse, you are mistaken in the belief that business exist to create jobs. Businesses are as greedy as anyone else and will do those things that benefit themselves.
Nafta and Gatt are not good programs as they allowed business to move manufacturing overseas while still having the benefit of the american markets, laws, and regulations. Now Inversion further allows them to avoid taxes and still have the benefit of american markets, laws, and regulations.
It would seem that this hollowing out of america will eventually result in an america much like the third world south american countries.
Further illegal immigrations will further ensure this.
??? Yes, corporations are greedy as is human nature. Businesses exist to make money; however, the more jobs you are able to create the more you can expend your company and the bigger the profit you make.
You are absolutely correct NAFTA is NOT a good program and that program was promoted by BOTH parties. Regardless of what liberal mentality you are using you CANNOT raise taxes and expect businesses to stay. IF your property taxes were to become unaffordable what would you do? Stay where you are and declare bankruptcy and foreclose on your home or move to a state/city where taxes are more affordable? Should we pass a bill that will NOT allow you to move and force you to stay and pay taxes till you lose your home? This idea to stop inversion is no more than yet another effort at redistribution of wealth.
Liberal absurdity at it's best!
Why waste time with trying to pass a bill to correct the flaws and consequences of NAFTA when obviously it would be more logical to give tax incentives to corporations to continue doing business here and create jobs?
Oh, wait, that would actually BENEFIT America. That is not what progressive liberalism wants and Elizabeth Warren with her millions is not out to help Americans.
This is not about the definition of Incorporation or it,s value.
This is not about raising taxes or the fairness of current tax laws.
This is not about how the government spends our money.
This is simply about corporations avoiding paying taxes (legally or illegally)
and putting the resultant tax burden on individual taxpayers.
Are we sure that some on this forum are not actually shills for business?
Quote from: gandb77 on August 10, 2014, 04:05:12 AM
This is not about the definition of Incorporation or it,s value.
This is not about raising taxes or the fairness of current tax laws.
This is not about how the government spends our money.
This is simply about corporations avoiding paying taxes (legally or illegally)
and putting the resultant tax burden on individual taxpayers.
Are we sure that some on this forum are not actually shills for business?
Maybe if I type this r-e-a-l-l-y s-l-o-w-l-y, you'll get it. Corporations don't pay taxes. Individual taxpayers pay taxes. Corporations COLLECT taxes by charging more than they otherwise would for goods and services, and pass the extra money on to the government as so-called "corporate income tax."
THE
ENTIRE BURDEN IS
ALWAYS ON INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 10, 2014, 04:05:12 AM
This is not about the definition of Incorporation or it,s value.
This is not about raising taxes or the fairness of current tax laws.
This is not about how the government spends our money.
This is simply about corporations avoiding paying taxes (legally or illegally)
and putting the resultant tax burden on individual taxpayers.
Are we sure that some on this forum are not actually shills for business?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Speaking as a business man of more than 50 years, you got me.
Did it ever once occur to you, that govt might be a bit too
God Damned big and needs to be gutted?
Well did it?
Wow, another heartfelt snivel that each and every businessman (or woman) in America is UNCLEAN, unclean I say!
Find me one welfare deadbeat doing any hiring and get back to me, you leftist clowns.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 09, 2014, 05:21:21 AM
While you "conservatives" believe in the things you espouse, you are mistaken in the belief that business exist to create jobs. Businesses are as greedy as anyone else and will do those things that benefit themselves.
You demonstrate that you understand neither conservatives not business. No surprise in that!
Conservatives understand that businesses exist to provide income to their owners. Businesses do this by providing a product and/or service people need/want at a price they are willing to pay. The owners use that income to live. This is what a business is and does.
Conservatives understand that employing people is what happens when a business is profitable and so successful that the owner(s) alone cannot supply as much of the product/service as customers demand. Employing others is an effect caused by success.
Conservatives understand that your usage, "greedy," is substance-free manipulation. We've it before ... a lot! Conservatives also understand that business owners' desire to make a living and improve their lifestyle - what you call "greed" - can only be fulfilled if they provide products and/or services people need/want and for which they are willing to pay. In other words, using your manipulative pejorative,
their greed forces them toserve their community or nation or the world!Quote from: gandb77 on August 09, 2014, 05:21:21 AMNafta and Gatt are not good programs as they allowed business to move manufacturing overseas while still having the benefit of the american markets, laws, and regulations. Now Inversion further allows them to avoid taxes and still have the benefit of american markets, laws, and regulations.
So, what brilliant alternative do you propose?
High tariffs and outright bans to keep lower cost foreign products from competing against American products? The Smoot-Hawley Tariff showed the foolishness of that approach, back in the 1930s; Smoot-Hawley helped make what should have been a recession int a
Great Depression.
Pass laws to hold corporation hostage or to plunder them if they leave the US? Taxing and regulating US companies into bankruptcy while letting foreign companies freely sell products in the US that are produced where costs are low? Well, you wouldn't have to worry anymore about those
greeeeeeeeeeeeedy American companies. They'll be gone ... permanently ... as will the jobs of those they formerly employed ...
Quote from: gandb77 on August 09, 2014, 05:21:21 AMFurther illegal immigrations will further ensure this.
Maybe you haven't noticed - though I cannot imagine how! - but conservatives are the ones who have been pushing to secure US borders, against amnesty, and in favor of deporting aliens here illegally. You should direct this warning comment to the Progressives, liberals, and Mo-o-o-o-o-o-oderates who have been fighting for open borders and amnesty.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 10, 2014, 04:05:12 AM
Are we sure that some on this forum are not actually shills for business?
More substance-free manipulation.
I'm worse than that, g77, I'm the son of a businessman raised among the sons and daughters of business men and women. In plain English, my Father was a farmer, as were the parents of many of my peers (and other small businesses as well).
It's funny how it changes things when you put human faces on the bogeyman-symbols!
Quote from: TboneAgain on August 10, 2014, 04:43:14 AM
Maybe if I type this r-e-a-l-l-y s-l-o-w-l-y, you'll get it. Corporations don't pay taxes. Individual taxpayers pay taxes. Corporations COLLECT taxes by charging more than they otherwise would for goods and services, and pass the extra money on to the government as so-called "corporate income tax."
THE ENTIRE BURDEN IS ALWAYS ON INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS.
Exactly! Businesses are tax
collectors, not tax payers!
Quote from: gandb77 on August 10, 2014, 04:05:12 AM
This is not about the definition of Incorporation or it,s value.
This is not about raising taxes or the fairness of current tax laws.
This is not about how the government spends our money.
This is simply about corporations avoiding paying taxes (legally or illegally)
and putting the resultant tax burden on individual taxpayers.
Are we sure that some on this forum are not actually shills for business?
How are they avoiding paying taxes?
Quote from: taxed on August 10, 2014, 06:04:08 PM
How are they avoiding paying taxes?
They don't pay extra taxes like good little libs do. Libs always write out a check to the IRS with a 10% tip :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on August 10, 2014, 06:08:24 PM
They don't pay extra taxes like good little libs do. Libs always write out a check to the IRS with a 10% tip :rolleyes:
Typical libs. They complain about not paying enough taxes, while paying a CPA to pay the least in taxes.
Quote from: taxed on August 10, 2014, 06:18:12 PM
Typical libs. They complain about not paying enough taxes, while paying a CPA to pay the least in taxes.
Bingo! Yet somehow, it the fault of those employing the lions share of the nation, those evil bastards!
Quote from: Solar on August 10, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
Bingo! Yet somehow, it the fault of those employing the lions share of the nation, those evil bastards!
How dare they create jobs. It's sad that people like ganb dislike our country so much they have disdain for the producers of our society. It really is sad. He should move to another country. Seriously.
Quote from: taxed on August 10, 2014, 06:32:20 PM
How dare they create jobs. It's sad that people like ganb dislike our country so much they have disdain for the producers of our society. It really is sad. He should move to another country. Seriously.
Most libs have it completely bassackwards, they think business is only allowed by the grace of govt to operate in the country.
We really have our work cut out for us.
Quote from: Solar on August 10, 2014, 06:36:40 PM
Most libs have it completely bassackwards, they think business is only allowed by the grace of govt to operate in the country.
We really have our work cut out for us.
It is what makes them susceptible to being libs and buying into Marxism. They have no respect or understanding of what it takes to get a business off the ground and to execute. Academia infuses a false sense of entitlement and superiority to these kids, but don't give them the education or skill to execute anything in the real world. It also weens them off of learning to think. A mouse placed in a maze with a piece of cheese has far more real world experience than a college student. The mouse had to learn and think to eat.
Quote from: taxed on August 10, 2014, 06:46:07 PM
It is what makes them susceptible to being libs and buying into Marxism. They have no respect or understanding of what it takes to get a business off the ground and to execute. Academia infuses a false sense of entitlement and superiority to these kids, but don't give them the education or skill to execute anything in the real world. It also weens them off of learning to think. A mouse placed in a maze with a piece of cheese has far more real world experience than a college student. The mouse had to learn and think to eat.
Good analogy. the mouse learns critical thinking to stay alive, while the student is hand fed Marxist ideals, never given the option of learning fending for ones self.
You all chatter back and forth reinforcing each others comments like a bunch of magpies on a wire.
Name calling and belittlement is really all you have.
I'm so happy that you all are willing to pay the taxes that large business avoid through inversion.
I'm out of here!
Quote from: gandb77 on August 11, 2014, 04:41:54 AM
You all chatter back and forth reinforcing each others comments like a bunch of magpies on a wire.
Name calling and belittlement is really all you have.
I'm so happy that you all are willing to pay the taxes that large business avoid through inversion.
I'm out of here!
Hey dumb ass! We, as the consumer, pay every dime in taxes that business pays out to govt, whether the govt steals it from business or directly from our pay checks, they still get their revenue.
You just want to enable the robber in their game of theft.
Let me ask you one question. Did it ever occur to you, that govt might just be overtaxing and abusing the taxpayer with overspending?
Dang y'all! Is he really gone? Promise he's gone, please. Took seven pages of posts to get this 'un outta' here but it was worth all the comments I read from the sages. :thumbsup:
If I were absolute dictator of the US, for a couple of days; I'd simply change the tax code to get rid of withholding. You would get paid in full, and within your pay envelope would be your receipts to mail in your Federal, State and Municipal taxes. Along with receipts to mail in your FICA, Medicare, Disability, union dues, etc.. Then I'd like to see if any politico could find support for any kind of tax hike. Also as someone note above, I'd like the receipts for anything you buy to contain the breakdown of the businesses expenses. I think the profit margin on supermarkets is about 3%. It would be nice to have how little businesses make, to be staring you in the face.
Quote from: gandb77 on August 11, 2014, 04:41:54 AM
You all chatter back and forth reinforcing each others comments like a bunch of magpies on a wire.
Name calling and belittlement is really all you have.
I'm so happy that you all are willing to pay the taxes that large business avoid through inversion.
I'm out of here!
Say hi to your professor!
Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 09:47:37 AM
If I were absolute dictator of the US, for a couple of days; I'd simply change the tax code to get rid of withholding. You would get paid in full, and within your pay envelope would be your receipts to mail in your Federal, State and Municipal taxes. Along with receipts to mail in your FICA, Medicare, Disability, union dues, etc.. Then I'd like to see if any politico could find support for any kind of tax hike. Also as someone note above, I'd like the receipts for anything you buy to contain the breakdown of the businesses expenses. I think the profit margin on supermarkets is about 3%. It would be nice to have how little businesses make, to be staring you in the face.
I do some consulting and your point is well made. I just picked up a gig and called my CPA for guidance on taxes. I am obviously considered self-employed. When I advised him what my earnings would probably be he gave me a number to send to the feds and state that is 45% of my earnings which includes the self-employment tax and SS.. If every worker had to send a check to the feds and state every quarter there would truly be an uprising.
Quote from: Solar on August 11, 2014, 06:07:23 AM
Hey dumb ass! We, as the consumer, pay every dime in taxes that business pays out to govt, whether the govt steals it from business or directly from our pay checks, they still get their revenue.
You just want to enable the robber in their game of theft.
Let me ask you one question. Did it ever occur to you, that govt might just be overtaxing and abusing the taxpayer with overspending?
Indeed! Moving facilities and people and opening new facilities and training new people are all very expensive. The question that should be asked is why the goivernment overtaxed and over-regulated businesses to the point that it became economically worthwhile to spend the $$ moving to a new country entails!
Quote from: gandb77 on August 11, 2014, 04:41:54 AM
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Quote from: Solar on August 12, 2014, 06:18:11 AM
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Quote from: SVPete on August 12, 2014, 08:07:20 PM
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When have you ever known a lib to keep their word? :biggrin: