Quote from: gandb77 on August 04, 2014, 05:17:28 AM
There is a small ,but very vocal, contingent of posters on this forum that feel any adverse comments about business or the wealthy are the result of "Lib", "Dims" or "Commies".
I am none of these, but do feel that Campaign funding should be restricted and is not free speech, and can be used to buy access and preferential laws.

That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers.

That taxes on dividends and capital gains should not be set lower than taxes on income earned by wage earners.

That unbridled illegal immigration is desired by both the democrats (to increase votes) and republicans (to increase cheap labor). This has caused much unemployment, reduced wages, and has increased welfare and medical costs

If these are lib views, than I would guess I am actually a lib, although I always felt I was very conservative.

Watch now and see how the small contingent of business backers respond to this,  ie name calling, derogatory comments, belittling etc

Interesting that your claim is that democrats want more votes and republicans want cheap labor.....I don't think you know the difference between conservative and republican.  Conservatives claim that businesses are created by individuals who have the means to do so, so why punish them with exorbitant taxes and regulations?  These are the ones helping to keep the economy going by creating jobs.  It is a liberal myth that businesses have all the money and can therefore be counted on to create jobs, pay huge salaries to us, keep nothing out of their dealings for their own families plus keep the tax brokers happy. 

Do you work on a public job?  How did that business get started?   Whose extraordinary expertise and business savvy got your business going?  We're not all smart enough to build businesses and employ huge numbers of workers and I think the ones that are ought not be punished for giving the little man an opportunity to live and work and plan. 

Quote from: gandb77 on August 04, 2014, 05:17:28 AM
There is a small ,but very vocal, contingent of posters on this forum that feel any adverse comments about business or the wealthy are the result of "Lib", "Dims" or "Commies".
I am none of these, but do feel that Campaign funding should be restricted and is not free speech, and can be used to buy access and preferential laws.

That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers.

That taxes on dividends and capital gains should not be set lower than taxes on income earned by wage earners.

That unbridled illegal immigration is desired by both the democrats (to increase votes) and republicans (to increase cheap labor). This has caused much unemployment, reduced wages, and has increased welfare and medical costs

If these are lib views, than I would guess I am actually a lib, although I always felt I was very conservative.

Watch now and see how the small contingent of business backers respond to this,  ie name calling, derogatory comments, belittling etc

It's not that you make adverse comments; it's that your adverse comments show a complete misunderstanding of the way business operates. Not to mention, the idea that somehow its the businesses "duty" to pay as much money as you feel like asking for. As long as the tax code allows businesses to relocate, they will do so , in order to find the best business climate. Your attitude shows that you hate the idea that they might be able to out run you greedy grasp. Of course you never seem to consider that it might be your exorbitant tax rates which might be at fault.

Quote from: gandb77 on August 04, 2014, 05:17:28 AM
There is a small ,but very vocal, contingent of posters on this forum that feel any adverse comments about business or the wealthy are the result of "Lib", "Dims" or "Commies".
I am none of these, but do feel that Campaign funding should be restricted and is not free speech, and can be used to buy access and preferential laws.

That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers.

That taxes on dividends and capital gains should not be set lower than taxes on income earned by wage earners.

That unbridled illegal immigration is desired by both the democrats (to increase votes) and republicans (to increase cheap labor). This has caused much unemployment, reduced wages, and has increased welfare and medical costs

If these are lib views, than I would guess I am actually a lib, although I always felt I was very conservative.

Watch now and see how the small contingent of business backers respond to this,  ie name calling, derogatory comments, belittling etc

In all due respect those are lib views. The one about taxes on dividends and capital gains is truly a far left view. Keep in mind the investments that return dividends and capital gains were purchased with funds after taxes were paid on the funds.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 04, 2014, 06:00:32 AM
It's not that you make adverse comments; it's that your adverse comments show a complete misunderstanding of the way business operates. Not to mention, the idea that somehow its the businesses "duty" to pay as much money as you feel like asking for. As long as the tax code allows businesses to relocate, they will do so , in order to find the best business climate. Your attitude shows that you hate the idea that they might be able to out run you greedy grasp. Of course you never seem to consider that it might be your exorbitant tax rates which might be at fault.

Why is it, stating the obvious goes over a libs head?

Gandb, if I threaten to take a portion of your pay, tax you at higher rates than the neighboring state on everything you own, what would you do?
Are you morally obliged to pay just because they say so, or do you protest with you feet and move to another state?

Is it your money, or is it the govt's?

Quote from: Solar on August 04, 2014, 06:54:10 AM
Why is it, stating the obvious goes over a libs head?

Gandb, if I threaten to take a portion of your pay, tax you at higher rates than the neighboring state on everything you own, what would you do?
Are you morally obliged to pay just because they say so, or do you protest with you feet and move to another state?

Is it your money, or is it the govt's?

Actually it's fairly simple. They may not really recognize it, but at the heart of every Libtards belief system is the idea that the businesses didn't really earn it's profits, but somehow stole/found them. If you accept that, for the business not to want to give some of those "ill gotten" gains back is "wrong".

Quote from: mdgiles on August 04, 2014, 07:24:13 AM
Actually it's fairly simple. They may not really recognize it, but at the heart of every Libtards belief system is the idea that the businesses didn't really earn it's profits, but somehow stole/found them. If you accept that, for the business not to want to give some of those "ill gotten" gains back is "wrong".

They fail to understand one thing, "If you find a man on top of a mountain, he didn't fall there".
They assume anyone that made it to the top, had help from govt.
Yet they fail to see govt was an impediment every step of the way, even taking food out of his mouth during his assent to the top.

Quote from: gandb77 on August 04, 2014, 05:17:28 AM
There is a small ,but very vocal, contingent of posters on this forum that feel any adverse comments about business or the wealthy are the result of "Lib", "Dims" or "Commies".
I am none of these, but do feel that Campaign funding should be restricted and is not free speech, and can be used to buy access and preferential laws.

That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers.

That taxes on dividends and capital gains should not be set lower than taxes on income earned by wage earners.

That unbridled illegal immigration is desired by both the democrats (to increase votes) and republicans (to increase cheap labor). This has caused much unemployment, reduced wages, and has increased welfare and medical costs

If these are lib views, than I would guess I am actually a lib, although I always felt I was very conservative.

Watch now and see how the small contingent of business backers respond to this,  ie name calling, derogatory comments, belittling etc

Hmm...  What you fail to understand is that all tax is passed on to the consumer one way or the other.  If I pay less in taxes by moving, you pay less for something as a consumer.   Think of it this way, will you pay 200.000$ for a house when you could get the very same thing for 100.000$ across the street?

Quote"That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers."

Brilliant, you know what happens when you prevent business from doing that? They either sell off the business because it's not profitable or cut the number of employees, and even if the biggest companies continue business the incentive to create a business is essentially gone and millions of jobs that could have been created is not...

And then the liberals come in and say "See!! the private market doesn't work". What you are talking about is what happened in Norway. Norway had the biggest merchant fleet in the world after WW1, and what did the Socialist do? They increased taxes on those filthy rich owner scum which forced the owners to move overseas and then the Socialist used that as an example of market not working, it is intellectually disgusting.

The clue is not to not raise taxes and have predictable legislation/regulation/taxation something socialist/liberals are incapable of doing as they pass a new law every time they take a sh*t. The result is what the is US legal code today. Businesses/factories would love to stay in the west even with the high wages, the problem is the libtards hoovering over the market like cannibals just waiting to consume it all.

Quote from: Solar on August 01, 2014, 09:56:46 AM
And the concept went right over his head.
I bet he thinks food comes from grocery stores.

I used to think MONEY came from grocery stores!

As a child, I noticed that people SEEMED to get more money after they paid the cashier.  Say hand them a $20 bill and get singles and change back.

Of course, these days, people think no one pays for an EBT card.

DaisyJane

Quote"That business should not be allowed to set up headquarters overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes, thus putting a greater tax burden on individual taxpayers."

I realize this is a difficult concept for you Leftards to understand; but when your expenses are greater than your income, you normally cut back on your expenses. Are you trying to tell us that all the money the government spends is necessary spending? I guess you've forgotten about stupid conferences, with people in Star Trek videos.

So, are all you business backers going to change your personal  mailing address overseas to avoid paying U.S. taxes.  Sounds like turnaround is fair play.

By the way, who makes up the tax deficit  that the businesses avoid?

Quote from: gandb77 on August 06, 2014, 04:42:48 AM
By the way, who makes up the tax deficit  that the businesses avoid?

Even if we taxed all businesses 100% it would not make up the spending deficit.

Quote from: gandb77 on August 06, 2014, 04:42:48 AM
By the way, who makes up the tax deficit  that the businesses avoid?

Who drives them away with higher taxes?
What part of killing industry do you not get, and why can't you see that it's the left in bed with corporate interests now?
GE head in the Hussein administration, the Marxists promise of no lobbyist connections will ever enter his Cabinet?
Now do some research and see just how many lobbyists he's had go through that revolving door.

The left threatens these corporations with higher taxes and increased regulations if they don't comply, so the larger corps pay up, higher a lobbyist to placate the the leach..

After awhile this became a symbiotic relationship, just like it did with the GOP RINO, where they lobby to get special considerations over competition, and now the Dims are the Wall st interest, the very thing you and I despised about the GOP.

Seriously, we're not the enemy, help us purge this cancer from our country and vote TEA, it's our last chance, or we head down the road to communism.

Quote from: gandb77 on August 06, 2014, 04:42:48 AM
By the way, who makes up the tax deficit  that the businesses avoid?

Do you really believe corporations absorb those additional losses? No, it is a cost of business that is passed onto the consumer. Quite frankly, I would rather leave the funds with a private corporation than turn it over to a bunch of bureaucrats who are guaranteed to waste it.