Quote from: Darth Fife on December 01, 2013, 06:07:26 AM
Sorry... Guess I should have posted a warning!

However, it was necessary. Some Liberal Drones don't even know what it is they are truly fighting for. Incapable of independent thought,  they blindly regurgitate their puppetmaster's talking points and think of themselves as sophisticated and intelligent for doing so!

-Darth

Yup. You got it. No independent thought at all, you betcha. Never heard of JournoList or Ezra Klein or Josh Marshall or any of the other deep thinkers like those young rascals over at Democratic Underground, the DailyKos or similar hives.

Hive me, I need to mainline some high-octane group-think.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 30, 2013, 11:46:37 PM
The one thing we have to keep in mind is Liberals never tell us their true intent because they would never get elected...

This may be... no, is, the clearest, concise truth about the social progressives.   

Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 30, 2013, 11:29:08 PM
You don't really think he understands the topics he argues do you?

Sifi doesn't argue topics; he argues definitions.

And no one who does that will ever understand anything.

Can these two ideologies co-exist in some manner or are they so polar opposite that is impossible?  One can argue that they have been co-existing to some extent since the country was founded and that it is only when extreme positions from either side begin to attain too much power that the voters, as if by an ingrained mechanism, move things back towards center.  For the really heavy subjects (i.e, abortion), center is kind of like no-mans land... which is what drives the extremes.  No one said the experiment was going to be easy.

Quote from: LIAMD on December 01, 2013, 09:00:30 AM
Can these two ideologies co-exist in some manner or are they so polar opposite that is impossible?  One can argue that they have been co-existing to some extent since the country was founded

Of course there have always been crazy and stupid people, yes.  The big difference is that for the first hundred and fifty years of America's existence, non-taxpayers couldn't VOTE.

There will always be a right, left and center; that's perfectly fine.  But the "center" has never been anywhere near as far off as the unrecoverable leftward tailspin we're in today.

Quote from: kopema on December 01, 2013, 09:38:08 AM

There will always be a right, left and center; that's perfectly fine.  But the "center" has never been anywhere near as far off as the unrecoverable leftward tailspin we're in today.

True enough.  Let's hope it takes the "Flight of the Phoenix"...flying in ever decreasing size circles until it eventually flies up its own ass. 

Quote from: LIAMD on December 01, 2013, 10:04:38 AM

QuoteOf course there have always been crazy and stupid people, yes.  The big difference is that for the first hundred and fifty years of America's existence, non-taxpayers couldn't VOTE.

True enough.  Let's hope it takes the "Flight of the Phoenix"...flying in ever decreasing size circles until it eventually flies up its own ass. 

I hate to be a Gloomy Gus and broken record all at once but that is happening, and IT WON'T MATTER.

Liberalism is what Ayn Rand called "subjectivism."  That view of the world thrives when people don't have jobs that give consequences to their irrational behavior.  Working in the private sector is a filter the keep the ego from running completely rampant.  As long as people living at public expense are allowed to vote, the liberal narcissism-turned-political movement will only keep getting more and more powerful. 

Sure, after Socialism destroys the greatest healthcare ever known, liberals might will idly whine about it.  But, as always, they will only want the wealth free enterprise provides; never the self-discipline necessary to allow it to do so.  If American health care is 1/10th as good ten years from now as it is today, it will still be "acceptable" to liberals.  As long as the only alternative is getting a job - or even just knowing that someone else can get a job that allows them a better lifestyle than a ward of the government has - liberals will never be motivated to make that "sacrifice" to their self-esteem.

Quote from: kopema on December 01, 2013, 10:29:34 AM
True enough.  Let's hope it takes the "Flight of the Phoenix"...flying in ever decreasing size circles until it eventually flies up its own ass. 


I hate to be a Gloomy Gus and broken record all at once but that is happening, and IT WON'T MATTER.

Liberalism is what Ayn Rand called "subjectivism."  That view of the world thrives when people don't have jobs that give consequences to their irrational behavior.  Working in the private sector is a filter the keep the ego from running completely rampant.  As long as people living at public expense are allowed to vote, the liberal narcissism-turned-political movement will only keep getting more and more powerful. 

Sure, after Socialism destroys the greatest healthcare ever known, liberals might will idly whine about it.  But, as always, they will only want the wealth free enterprise provides; never the self-discipline necessary to allow it to do so.  If American health care is 1/10th as good ten years from now as it is today, it will still be "acceptable" to liberals.  As long as the only alternative is getting a job - or even just knowing that someone else can get a job that allows them a better lifestyle than a ward of the government has - liberals will never be motivated to make that "sacrifice" to their self-esteem.

You sure love psycho-analyzing shit, but never once do you ever post anything quantitative or remotely empirical.  It's like you think reality is a liberal arts essay, or something.   

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on December 01, 2013, 10:31:43 AM
You sure love psycho-analyzing shit, but never once do you ever post anything quantitative or remotely empirical.  It's like you think reality is a liberal arts essay, or something.   

You wanted evidence of a Marxist Hussein, so address it!

Quote from: Solar on December 01, 2013, 11:31:58 AM
You wanted evidence of a Marxist Hussein, so address it!

None of the evidence you've presented has anything to do with actual Marxism but rather can be vaguely attributed to varying levels of progressivism.  Social welfare?  Actually a concept Marx disliked.  Obamacare?  Not even single payer.  Where exactly are you going with this?

Suddenly, dramatically Marx did not believe in redistribution of wealth!

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on December 01, 2013, 01:33:02 PM
None of the evidence you've presented has anything to do with actual Marxism but rather can be vaguely attributed to varying levels of progressivism.  Social welfare?  Actually a concept Marx disliked.  Obamacare?  Not even single payer.  Where exactly are you going with this?

So the fact that he joined a communist party is suddenly irrelevant?

Quote from: Solar on December 01, 2013, 04:00:30 PM
So the fact that he joined a communist party is suddenly irrelevant?

Notice how he has ignored the 10 tenets of Marxism I posted which came directly from Marx's own Communist Manifesto?

Perhaps he is too dense that they are almost verbatim the platform of Obama and his Democratic Party.

-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on December 01, 2013, 04:33:36 PM
Notice how he has ignored the 10 tenets of Marxism which posted which came directly from Marx's own Communist Manifesto?

Perhaps he is too dense that they are almost verbatim the platform of Obama and his Democratic Party.

-Darth

The kid is in denial.
He wants to see evidence of millions killed at the hands of the left before he'll consider it.
But point out the genocidal support the left gives Planned Parenthood, and he dances like his shoes are on fire.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on December 01, 2013, 10:31:43 AM
You sure love psycho-analyzing shit, but never once do you ever post anything quantitative or remotely empirical.  It's like you think reality is a liberal arts essay, or something.   

Can one realistically analyze society and human action in a quantitative fashion?

And what about the inherent flaws in empiricism?

Where is the vacuum in human affairs where we can pause everything, change one factor, and note the effect?