Quote from: Trip on August 10, 2013, 09:16:09 PM
What you're saying is ... the form of government we are guaranteed, and which is not contingent upon populist will,  needs to be restored with populist will and elections?

That's blithering nonsense, and can only result in failure.

If this nation's founders operated in this fashion, we'd end up like France, with one revolution after another and bodies piled up.

Did it ever occur to you why the Constitution was not put in place with populace elections in the first place?  How was it they were able to refer as "we, the people"?

Oh I see! Voting is nonsense. Thanks for enlightening me. I won't waste my time in the future...

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 10, 2013, 09:17:51 PM
Oh I see! Voting is nonsense. Thanks for enlightening me. I won't waste my time in the future...

No, you clearly don't see. You've established yourself as among the contingent of socialist idiots that believe we're a democracy, and imagine that voting is some sacred right to determine our form of government.

Take  a damn bow, and maybe you'll have better luck removing your head from Obama's posterior.

"yes, we're conservative, and believe in the will of the people 'attempting' to determine our form of government"

I've never heard such stupidity coming form the alleged "Right" in my entire life!

How the hell did you get that out of what he said?  When losing an argument, just call your opponent a socialist. That'll shut him up!

Quote from: Trip on August 10, 2013, 09:22:34 PM
No, you clearly don't see. You've established yourself as among the contingent of socialist idiots that believe we're a democracy, and imagine that voting is some sacred right to determine our form of government.

Take  a damn bow, and maybe you'll have better luck removing your head from Obama's posterior.

Really? I'm a Socialist because I believe we are responsible for the government we elect?

That is hilarious.

Now unlike you I won't label you a communist or a socialist or even a Belgian cellist. You are just a dumb low rent version of Shenanigans...

Quote from: Yawn on August 10, 2013, 09:26:57 PM
How the hell did you get that out of what he said?  When losing an argument, just call your opponent a socialist. That'll shut him up!

He's Super Conservative Guy! He has a cape and everything...

Quote from: Yawn on August 10, 2013, 09:26:57 PM
How the hell did you get that out of what he said?  When losing an argument, just call your opponent a socialist. That'll shut him up!

I lost that argument? You're talking to me?

So reliance on the will of the populist majority, ya know, that "Democracy" that has nothing to do with our form of government, but that Obama and Democrats like Pelosi and Schumer are always praising the virtues of in the Middle East, is not socialist?

If you don't understand any of these terms, or the factors that are at play in our government, just ask, and I'm more than happy to explain them.

Would either of you two political intellectuals care to explain how the Constitution says "We, the people" and  we're a government, "of the people, by the people, and for the people" when we did not ever have a populist election to establish the Constitution?

HOW is that possible?

Quote from: Trip on August 10, 2013, 09:31:54 PM
I lost that argument? You're talking to me?

So reliance on the will of the populist majority, ya know, that "Democracy" that has nothing to do with our form of government, but that Obama and Democrats like Pelosi and Schumer are always praising the virtues of in the Middle East, is not socialist?

If you don't understand any of these terms, or the factors that are at play in our government, just ask, and I'm more than happy to explain them.

Hey looks folks, it's Henry the Eighth!

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 10, 2013, 09:39:26 PM
Hey looks folks, it's Henry the Eighth!

I'm glad you didn't pause at all to think on that, Boo. I wouldn't want you to strain something in search for a valid answer, and maybe be forced to come to terms with why our Constitution is structured the way it is. 

You could have just thrown up some graphic with a character doing a face palm, or something like that, in an attempt to save your own face.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 10, 2013, 09:28:40 PM
Really? I'm a Socialist because I believe we are responsible for the government we elect?

That is hilarious.

Now unlike you I won't label you a communist or a socialist or even a Belgian cellist. You are just a dumb low rent version of Shenanigans...

Please show me the article or clause of the U.S. Constitution that indicates that we, the people are responsible by our vote for the form of government we have exerted upon us?

It doesn't exist.

That's almost as bad as Chief Justice John Roberts claiming in the PPACA decision (the second one he wrote, not the one rejecting it)  that it's not the Supreme Court's job to protect us from bad political choices, ... as if he did not swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

The reason we, the people are to blame is because of this level of stupidity so prevalent in our country.  It is just this perspective that provides license to those politicians corrupting the Constitution and confiscating your own dumbass rights.

We're not a Democracy,  not even a partial Democracy, and deliberately so.  We're a Constitutional Republic. You really ought to take some time and research what that actually means.

Quote from: Trip on August 10, 2013, 09:41:46 PM
I'm glad you didn't pause at all to think on that, Boo. I wouldn't want you to strain something in search for a valid answer, and maybe be forced to come to terms with why our Constitution is structured the way it is. 

You could have just thrown up some graphic with a character doing a face palm, or something like that, in an attempt to save your own face.

And yet you are the one who doesn't want the people to vote...

Quote from: Trip on August 10, 2013, 10:04:07 PM
Please show me the article or clause of the U.S. Constitution that indicates that we, the people are responsible by our vote for the form of government we have exerted upon us?

It doesn't exist.

That's almost as bad as Chief Justice John Roberts claiming in the PPACA decision (the second one he wrote, not the one rejecting it)  that it's not the Supreme Court's job to protect us from bad political choices, ... as if he did not swear an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.

The reason we, the people are to blame is because of this level of stupidity so prevalent in our country.  It is just this perspective that provides license to those politicians corrupting the Constitution and confiscating your own dumbass rights.

We're not a Democracy,  not even a partial Democracy, and deliberately so.  We're a Constitutional Republic. You really ought to take some time and research what that actually means.

Okay then Henry or should I call you Mr Eight? Explain to me how you intend to bring people into government...

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 10, 2013, 10:04:21 PM
And yet you are the one who doesn't want the people to vote...

Yet I never saaid I don't want the people to vote.  Ill give you a clue to help your obvious  troubles regarding this, but it's in the form of a question:

What is voting actually applicable to?

Hint: It's not our form of government. 

Quote from: The Boo Man... on August 10, 2013, 10:05:40 PM
Okay then Henry or should I call you Mr Eight? Explain to me how you intend to bring people into government...

You're trying to impress everyone with your keen political intellect, aren't you?

Quote from: Trip on August 10, 2013, 10:12:39 PM
You're trying to impress everyone with your keen political intellect, aren't you?

You didn't answer my question...