Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2013, 04:53:14 PM
Still waiting to hear what it was you found so repulsive about Palin.

The same thing I found repulsive about Obama. Palin was picked by McCain as a gimmick because his campaign was floundering and he thought that picking a woman would be a counter to the whole first black Presidential candidate thing. She had little experience at anything, and was the most inexperienced vice presidential candidate in a very long time. She was good at saying catchy slogans like "I'm a pit bull" and "drill baby, drill" but that was about it. It soon became apparent that she was way out of her league and in the end it became a huge negative distraction for the GOP. I'm sure she is a nice lady, but she is the kind of person who would be nice to have a bar b-q with, or invite to the local community event, but not presidential or vice presidential material. The fact that people continued to take her seriously and consider her as a possible presidential candidate for 2012 was terrifying. For crying out loud, she resigned 2 years into her governorship before scandals caught up with her and did her in. Alaska is a huge Republican state, and any Republican public official should have the easiest job in the world, yet she could not complete two years without getting involved in scandals, such as the one she had over a policeman she fired because he was her ex-brother in law.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
Do you believe in putting words in peoples' mouths? No one is claiming anyone should be a second class citizen or not allowed to vote because of religious beliefs. I believe in the dignity of all human beings. Naturally some forfeit rights due to their actions (ie. murderers, rapists, terrorists, violent felons) in the interest of protecting the greater social good, but other than that no human being should be a second class citizen.

But I have no respect for legislators who want to impose their religious views on others. Here is a gem. This guy is in the science committee in Congress, and admits that he votes against scientific projects because in his opinion the science is not found in the Bible or goes against what his religious views are. Why should he deny scientific progress for others because he feels a need to defend a 2,500 year old book written by Iron Age goat herders in Israel?

In that respect, religious discussion does belong here, because people like this congressman want to play scientist even though he doesn't even know or understand the first thing about science.

Please think this thru. You don't think Christians should be allowed to hold public office. You already said so.

If the People elect a man to REPRESENT them, who the hell are you to say he can't vote his conscience?

Specifically  WHAT projects?  You say you're a "conservative"  but you're opposed to this man because he votes against "science projects"  I have no idea who this man is, but why do you say he doesn't have a "right" to his vote?  As a conservative, you should be against the Feds allocating the Taxpayer's hard earned money for unconstitutional "projects."  You should be on his side regardless of HIS reasons.

You whine about "rights" that aren't even in the Constitution, but you criticize him for voting against spreading Taxpayer money around for unconstitutional projects.

Quote from: Yawn on May 30, 2013, 05:06:56 PM
Please think this thru. You don't think Christians should be allowed to hold public office. You already said so.

If the People elect a man to REPRESENT them, who the hell are you to say he can't vote his conscience?

Specifically  WHAT projects?  You say you're a "conservative"  but you're opposed to this man because he votes against "science projects"  I have no idea who this man is, but why do you say he doesn't have a "right" to his vote?  As a conservative, you should be against the Feds allocating the Taxpayer's hard earned money for unconstitutional "projects."  You should be on his side regardless of HIS reasons.

You whine about "rights" that aren't even in the Constitution, but you criticize him for voting against spreading Taxpayer money around for unconstitutional projects.

As Ronald Reagan told Carter: "There you go again."

I didn't say Christians should not be elected, but simply that I oppose overly-crazy religious fanatics. There are plenty of reasonable Christians in power who I would not mind voting for. In fact, I voted for Senator Rubio in 2010 (glad he won too.)

As for unconstitutional projects, not really. There is a lot the government can spend on thanks to the Taxing and Spending Clause, Commerce Clause, etc. Since the earliest times, government has always had a lot of latitude in what they spend money on. The problem is not that they spend money, but rather that they spend too much money. That can be remedied if we cut a lot of red tape, did an accounting of every Department and Agency and cut out the double spending and corruption, and froze the growth of the budget for a few years.)

Science spending is not a bad thing anyway. We need science if the US is going to remain a hub for medical innovation, computer technology, military technology, etc. Sure beats the spending on Obamacare, handouts for people not to work, and foreign aid.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 05:05:28 PM
The same thing I found repulsive about Obama. Palin was picked by McCain as a gimmick because his campaign was floundering and he thought that picking a woman would be a counter to the whole first black Presidential candidate thing. She had little experience at anything, and was the most inexperienced vice presidential candidate in a very long time.

This is proof that you are a complete and total idiot.  She had more experience and accomplishments than anyone running COMBINED.  Nobody had more accomplishments than she did.  She put her own corrupt party members in jail.  She led the largest infrastructure project IN HISTORY.  Show me one single politician that did what she did with ACES, where she went against the corrupt oil companies and returned money to the people.  She reduced earmarks in Alaska by 80%.  She reduced real spending by over $1B.  She vetoed over $500mm in spending.  She reformed their public service retirement system and made it solvent.  She brought in sweeping ethics reform.  She accomplished an incredible amount.

You, Skeptic, are a complete moron.

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She was good at saying catchy slogans like "I'm a pit bull" and "drill baby, drill" but that was about it. It soon became apparent that she was way out of her league and in the end it became a huge negative distraction for the GOP. I'm sure she is a nice lady, but she is the kind of person who would be nice to have a bar b-q with, or invite to the local community event, but not presidential or vice presidential material. The fact that people continued to take her seriously and consider her as a possible presidential candidate for 2012 was terrifying. For crying out loud, she resigned 2 years into her governorship before scandals caught up with her and did her in. Alaska is a huge Republican state, and any Republican public official should have the easiest job in the world, yet she could not complete two years without getting involved in scandals, such as the one she had over a policeman she fired because he was her ex-brother in law.

Incorrect.  She stepped down because Alaska is the ONLY state in the union that doesn't protect the governor.  This means anyone with expendable income can just file complaint after complaint, and she is legally obligated to defend them, tying up time and resources.  She stepped down because it would have driven her into bankruptcy, and she couldn't be effective being tied up like that.  Any one of us would step down with that exposure.  Are you going to lie and say you wouldn't have?

Skeptic, honestly, you are probably the dumbest person ever to register on this forum.

She had way less experience and accomplishment at anything than did Bidden or McCain (as much as I dislike those two clowns.)  She definitely had as much or more experience than Obama. No one is denying that. And I didn't think Obama was suited for office to begin with, so the point is moot.

As for her getting into trouble and having to step down, too bad. She chose to run for Governor and had to live with the consequences. Funny how other Alaskan governors are not stepping down all the time and can handle the heat of politics.

And in regards to your need to insult others:

Ronald Reagan:There You Go Again

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 05:29:44 PM
She had way less experience and accomplishment at anything than did Bidden or McCain (as much as I dislike those two clowns.)  She definitely had as much or more experience than Obama. No one is denying that. And I didn't think Obama was suited for office to begin with, so the point is moot.

No, the point is not moot.  At this point, you have dug a hole of idiocy, and need to climb out.  She had FAR more experience than McCain and Biden.  You don't understand what a governor is, or what they do.  It's not your fault, your just an idiot.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122100776282517559.html

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As for her getting into trouble and having to step down, too bad. She chose to run for Governor and had to live with the consequences. Funny how other Alaskan governors are not stepping down all the time and can handle the heat of politics.

Funny how other Alaskan governors never had an 80% approval rating, and didn't accomplish what she did.  Someone had a lot of money, and figured out how to tie her up in court.  Good job, and even better job not defending her, but taking the side of other liberals.

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And in regards to your need to insult others:

Ronald Reagan:There You Go Again

I'm not insulting you.  I am highlighting what you are, which is an idiot.  Out of curiosity, how old are you, and what do you do?

I am 28 years old and have a Bachelor of Arts in International Relations from Florida International University, and a Juris Doctor Degree from Saint Thomas school of Law, and I'm licensed to practice law in Florida and Washington D.C. As to whom I represent and in what regards, I'm not sure my employer would appreciate me discussing it in an open forum. Nor do I wish to disclose anything that would allow anyone to identify me by name, so I won't. The corporations I represent are not liberal --let's just leave it at that.

I also speak 3 languages, and my hobbies are numismatics, history, fountain pens, sports shooting, and cigar and pipe smoking. Well, that's me in a nutshell without disclosing enough personal info as to allow someone to identify me by name.

PS: I doubt less than 2 years as Governor is more qualification than 20 years as a Senator (feel free to disagree)

So, when do we get to find out Taxed's education, employment, hobbies, etc.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 05:44:34 PM
I am 28 years old and have a Bachelor of Arts in International Relations from Florida International University, and a Juris Doctor Degree from Saint Thomas school of Law, and I'm licensed to practice law in Florida and Washington D.C. As to whom I represent and in what regards, I'm not sure my employer would appreciate me discussing it in an open forum nor do I wish to disclose anything that would allow anyone to identify me specifically, so I won't (the corporations I represent are not liberal --let's just leave it at that.)

I'm not asking you to disclose anything.  You're 28 and have very little experience.  So, you hid in school for most of your adult life, and now you're a glorified paralegal.  If I had your accomplishments at 28, I would have jumped off a bridge.

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PS: I doubt less than 2 years as Governor is more qualification than 20 years as a Senator (feel free to disagree)

That's because, like I said before, you don't know the difference between a Senator and a Governor.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 05:55:41 PM
So, when do we get to find out Taxed's education, employment, hobbies, etc.

A lot more than yours... by the time I was 28.

Call me what you want, the Florida Bar says otherwise. It's true that attorneys who've been practicing for less than 5 years have to do the grunt work in order to learn and get ahead...but nothing you say can put me down. I worked my ass off harder than you'll ever know to get through law school and become an attorney. If you are so accomplished that it seems little too you...congratulations! I won't out someone else down for working hard and succeeding (that is a liberal trait, and I'm surprised to see you resorting to that.) But as far as I'm concerned I've accomplished quite a lot in my short life, and I'm rightfully proud of it. I'm sure given enough time, effort, and hard work  I'll be able to accomplish as much as you. And if not, so what? Not all of us can be multimillionaires or tycoons of industry. All we can do is work hard and do our best to get ahead in life.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 06:04:40 PM
Call me what you want, the Florida Bar says otherwise.

Wow.  You passed the Bar.  How rare.

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It's true that attorneys who've been practicing for less than 5 years have to do the grunt work in order to learn and get ahead...

That's correct.

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but nothing you say can put me down.

I'm not putting you down. I'm highlighting that you don't have experience, and when it comes to your comments about Palin, you don't know enough to even comment, because you're commenting on something you know nothing about, and just parroting liberal propaganda.

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I worked my ass off harder than you'll ever know

I know you're wrong on that one...

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to get through law school and become an attorney. If you are so accomplished that it seems little too you...congratulations! I won't out someone else down for working hard and succeeding (that is a liberal trait, and I'm surprised to see you resorting to that.) But as far as I'm concerned I've accomplished quite a lot in my short life, and I'm rightfully proud of it.

Compared to a fry cook or fast food employee, sure.  You did very well.  Congrats.

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I'm sure given enough time, effort, and hard work  I'll be able to accomplish as much as you.

No chance.  I don't say that to be mean, but I know when someone has "it", and you ain't got it.  I'm being honest.  You will be a good worker mule, and will make a decent living, but you will be nowhere someone like myself, and especially nowhere even close to someone like Palin.

Easy there Rush Limbaugh, I'm not really interested in getting into an appendage measuring contest with someone over the internet.

And no, I won't be like Palin because I have zero interest in getting into politics. In this day and age of crazy media scrutiny, one would have to be an idiot to want to run for office and put their family through all of that. I'll gladly leave the political ambitions to others.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 06:14:53 PM
Easy there Rush Limbaugh, I'm not really interested in getting into an appendage measuring contest with someone over the internet.

Just keep your panties on....

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And no, I won't be like Palin because I have zero interest in getting into politics. In this day and age of crazy media scrutiny, one would have to be an idiot to want to run for office and put their family through all of that. I'll gladly leave the political ambitions to others.

No, you'll never be like her because you lack the intelligence and drive to accomplish what she did.

Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 05:05:28 PM
The same thing I found repulsive about Obama. Palin was picked by McCain as a gimmick because his campaign was floundering and he thought that picking a woman would be a counter to the whole first black Presidential candidate thing. She had little experience at anything, and was the most inexperienced vice presidential candidate in a very long time. She was good at saying catchy slogans like "I'm a pit bull" and "drill baby, drill" but that was about it. It soon became apparent that she was way out of her league and in the end it became a huge negative distraction for the GOP. I'm sure she is a nice lady, but she is the kind of person who would be nice to have a bar b-q with, or invite to the local community event, but not presidential or vice presidential material. The fact that people continued to take her seriously and consider her as a possible presidential candidate for 2012 was terrifying. For crying out loud, she resigned 2 years into her governorship before scandals caught up with her and did her in. Alaska is a huge Republican state, and any Republican public official should have the easiest job in the world, yet she could not complete two years without getting involved in scandals, such as the one she had over a policeman she fired because he was her ex-brother in law.

Little experience? Have you looked at Hussein's work history?
She successfully Governed Alaska, kicked the RINO, her own party to the curb, pushed through the biggest oil project in the history of the state, A1,700-mile gas pipeline, ran a spotless office, sold the States jet because it, like so many other projects the RINO did, was a boondoggle.
She sued EXXON over an oil lease it tied up to keep competition from developing, and won.
Sued the EPA over it's illegal use of the endangered species act
And her resignation had nothing to do with a single scandal, and I have no idea what you consider a scandal, because even after the leftist media went through all her emails, all they could find, was that she was an excellent leader.

Did it ever occur to you, had there been one iota of indiscretion, the media would have ran it day in and day out, yet not a peep.
And if you think the firing of the cop is a scandal, you better do some research, you definitely sound like the libs that pass through here spouting the same nonsense.

You know whats really sad, you actually think McCain's experience compared to hers is superior, when in truth, he's nothing but a go along, get along RINO that thinks conceding to the left, is governing.
The last thing we need is more of the same BS, we need knew blood, and I'd back her in a heart beat!