I just heard about this and I am pretty bummed about it. I know that we are always talking about "career politicians and how bad that is, but in MN, she will not be replaced with another tea party candidate. You only have to look to the election of Al Franken to see that Dems in MN (and the courts) are not honest. She will be replaced with a RINO at best, an all out lib at worst. :sad:
http://washingtonpost.com/politics/rep-bachmann-will-not-run-in-2014/2013/05/29/eba51652-c840-11e2-8da7-d274bc611a47_story.html (http://washingtonpost.com/politics/rep-bachmann-will-not-run-in-2014/2013/05/29/eba51652-c840-11e2-8da7-d274bc611a47_story.html)
I know she wants the presidency, but she doesn't even have as much support as Palin, so unless she is tapped for a VP spot, this could be it.
She said she wants to leave while she still has a soul. She said nobody leaves a better person.
Quote from: Yawn on May 29, 2013, 07:42:49 AM
She said she wants to leave while she still has a soul. She said nobody leaves a better person.
I know, I guess I am selfish. She was a conservative voice in a liberal MN, even though I am not in her district anymore, I felt like she came the closest, of those that "serve" MN, to representing me. :sad:
Thank God (figure of speech). That nutcase of a woman is terrifying. The Rep party needs to get rid of the loons like her if we are ever going to go back to the Party of Reagan.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 29, 2013, 08:02:29 AM
Thank God (figure of speech). That nutcase of a woman is terrifying. The Rep party needs to get rid of the loons like her if we are ever going to go back to the Party of Reagan.
Examples please. Did she tweet pics of her privates? Did she have sex with interns? Did she drive off a bridge, kill someone ans leave the scene because she was drunk? Did she murder 86 men,women and children to distract the press about an affair?
Quote from: Skeptic on May 29, 2013, 08:02:29 AM
Thank God (figure of speech). That nutcase of a woman is terrifying. The Rep party needs to get rid of the loons like her if we are ever going to go back to the Party of Reagan.
Well well well.....look who it is...the flying spaghetti monster....now who was it on what "other forum" that used that avatar all the time and despised anything that mentioned God?
Right, Reagan never mentioned faith or God... :rolleyes:
Quote"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
Quote"The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program." -Ronald Reagan
Quote"I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandment's would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress." - Ronald Reagan
QuoteIf the federal government had been around when the Creator was putting His hand to this state, Indiana wouldn't be here. It'd still be waiting for an environmental impact statement. Ronald Reagan
QuoteWe are never defeated unless we give up on God. Ronald Reagan
QuoteWe might come closer to balancing the Budget if all of us lived closer to the Commandments and the Golden Rule. Ronald Reagan
QuoteWithin the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face. Ronald Reagan
This without hardly trying.
Quote from: Bowhntr on May 29, 2013, 08:45:44 AM
Well well well.....look who it is...the flying spaghetti monster....now who was it on what "other forum" that used that avatar all the time and despised anything that mentioned God?
Is that what that avatar be. I was thinking s/he had a lobotomy. LOL
Quote from: walkstall on May 29, 2013, 09:42:12 AM
Is that what that avatar be. I was thinking s/he had a lobotomy. LOL
Based on the mental capacity of the person that used that avatar for a while I'd say they had a complete brain removal....at least all of the portion needed for basic thought.
Quote from: JustKari on May 29, 2013, 07:55:19 AM
I know, I guess I am selfish. She was a conservative voice in a liberal MN, even though I am not in her district anymore, I felt like she came the closest, of those that "serve" MN, to representing me. :sad:
I don't live in MN but her toughts represented me and I wish her well.
She "represents" a lot of us.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 29, 2013, 08:02:29 AM
Thank God (figure of speech). That nutcase of a woman is terrifying. The Rep party needs to get rid of the loons like her if we are ever going to go back to the Party of Reagan.
Do us a favor and attempt to exercize your intellect by articulating how she's a nutcase. It's true that you and liberals repeat that about her, but never can really say how she's a nutcase, other than you heard it from somewhere else.
Quote from: Bowhntr on May 29, 2013, 08:45:44 AM
Well well well.....look who it is...the flying spaghetti monster....now who was it on what "other forum" that used that avatar all the time and despised anything that mentioned God?
If you are referring to the Hannity forum, my avatar there was 'Daffy Duck.' I understand that Reagan did believe in God, but he was not an ultra-religious nutcase. I have no problem with religious people in general, but I do have issues with the crazy lady who believes she can "Pray the Gay away." That's not the only ridiculous thing she's said, but it's the one that probably got the most press.
Also, why do some of you assume if I'm atheist I have to be a Democrat? I'm not a Democrat. I consider myself closer to a Goldwater Republican than anything else (ie. fiscally conservative and socially libertarian.) Kind of hard to be a Democrat when I believe in Capitalism, low taxes, reduction of red tape, and personal freedoms such as the right to own arms (most Democrats today [the so-called Progressives] don't believe in any of that.)
Good riddance Bachmann. The Party is better off in the hands of more sane and rational individuals such as Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. Look, I even like some of the more hardcore Bible thumpers in the Party such as Jim DeMint. I may not agree with some of his more extreme ideas such as Christian prayers in school, but at least the man is incredibly smart and rational. We need people like that, and not people like Bachmann and Palin who made a living out of empty rhetoric, throwing meaningless red meat at the base, and absolutely nothing else.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 29, 2013, 09:53:08 PM
If you are referring to the Hannity forum, my avatar there was 'Daffy Duck.' I understand that Reagan did believe in God, but he was not an ultra-religious nutcase. I have no problem with religious people in general, but I do have issues with the crazy lady who believes she can "Pray the Gay away." That's not the only ridiculous thing she's said, but it's the one that probably got the most press.
Also, why do some of you assume if I'm atheist I have to be a Democrat? I'm not a Democrat. I consider myself closer to a Goldwater Republican than anything else (ie. fiscally conservative and socially libertarian.) Kind of hard to be a Democrat when I believe in Capitalism, low taxes, reduction of red tape, and personal freedoms such as the right to own arms (most Democrats today [the so-called Progressives] don't believe in any of that.)
Good riddance Bachmann. The Party is better off in the hands of more sane and rational individuals such as Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. Look, I even like some of the more hardcore Bible thumpers in the Party such as Jim DeMint. I may not agree with some of his more extreme ideas such as Christian prayers in school, but at least the man is incredibly smart and rational. We need people like that, and not people like Bachmann and Palin who made a living out of empty rhetoric, throwing meaningless red meat at the base, and absolutely nothing else.
First of all, you possess the most common trait of any lib: not being able to articulate your assertions. You can call her crazy, but explain why you would say such a thing. (hint: you can't)
Second, you call yourself a conservative, but say we don't need people like Palin? No offense, Skeptic, but you have a serious intellectual void. I don't say that to be mean. You have proven to know absolutely NOTHING about Palin, yet comment as if you do. If you did know about her, and yet call yourself a conservative, then you would be singing her praises. You can't find a single politician today who has her accomplishments. I challenge you to name one. Just one.
Also, please, articulate what radical religious policy she put forth in Alaska. What crazy religious policy earned her an 80% approval rating? Do tell. Your low intelligence has made you bold in declaring the religious views of others as stupid and crazy, yet you know absolutely nothing about how life started, how we got here, etc. At least religious people call it faith, while idiots like you act like you have a clue.
Get your shit together, Skeptic.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 29, 2013, 08:02:29 AM
Thank God (figure of speech). That nutcase of a woman is terrifying. The Rep party needs to get rid of the loons like her if we are ever going to go back to the Party of Reagan.
Wow, you kids need to update your talking points. This is just boring now.
Quote from: taxed on May 29, 2013, 11:01:38 PM
you have a serious intellectual void.
Your low intelligence......while idiots like you act like you have a clue.
Get your shit together, Skeptic.
You've lost the argument before it even began. I've never attacked anyone personally here, but I've noticed some people are quick to personally attack anyone who says anything they disagree with. I'd be happy to get into a detailed discussion, but not with someone who results to cheap insults as a way to "prove" their point.
Forgive me if I don't engage in elementary school level shouting matches and name calling. It's not my style.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 12:42:28 AM
You've lost the argument before it even began. I've never attacked anyone personally here, but I've noticed some people are quick to personally attack anyone who says anything they disagree with. I'd be happy to get into a detailed discussion, but not with someone who results to cheap insults as a way to "prove" their point.
Forgive me if I don't engage in elementary school level shouting matches and name calling. It's not my style.
Translation: I can't back up my "arguments." I heard it on Air America"
I wasn't very impressed by her in the 2012 election. In pretty much every interview I have seen of her she never directly answers the question but sticks to her talking points and just keeps on repeating herself. To give a few examples.
Michele Bachmann faces barrage of gay rights questions on Meet the Press (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iexoUIwrtgU#ws) Regarding gay marriage.
Bachmann Unhappy With Kirk Cameron Gay Questions From Piers Morgan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h4An2pvM1c#ws)
Also, here is a RON PAUL vs BACKMANN video regarding the constitution.
Ron Paul educates Michelle Bachmann on Constitutional Rights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYFGY8Xaod8#)
To me, she is a popularist conservative who says vague ideas such as "freedom", "Constitution", "traditional values" but rarely goes into much depth.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 30, 2013, 04:18:48 AM
I wasn't very impressed by her in the 2012 election. In pretty much every interview I have seen of her she never directly answers the question but sticks to her talking points and just keeps on repeating herself. To give a few examples.
Michele Bachmann faces barrage of gay rights questions on Meet the Press (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iexoUIwrtgU#ws) Regarding gay marriage.
Bachmann Unhappy With Kirk Cameron Gay Questions From Piers Morgan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h4An2pvM1c#ws)
Also, here is a RON PAUL vs BACKMANN video regarding the constitution.
Ron Paul educates Michelle Bachmann on Constitutional Rights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYFGY8Xaod8#)
To me, she is a popularist conservative who says vague ideas such as "freedom", "Constitution", "traditional values" but rarely goes into much depth.
Welcome to the world of politics. If that's how you grade a pol, then where were you when all we heard was Hope and Change, why didn't you ask what that actually meant?
And you judge Bachman on avoiding hit pieces by the media?
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 12:42:28 AM
You've lost the argument before it even began. I've never attacked anyone personally here, but I've noticed some people are quick to personally attack anyone who says anything they disagree with. I'd be happy to get into a detailed discussion, but not with someone who results to cheap insults as a way to "prove" their point.
Forgive me if I don't engage in elementary school level shouting matches and name calling. It's not my style.
I was waiting to hear what it was you found so repulsive about Palin.
If Bachmann and Palin looked like Ugly Betty no one would give them the time of day.
BTW, I'm anti dem/lib, anti abortion, don't like the track the gay movement is on, OWS is made up of a bunch of derelicts, retired career military, think Obama should either resign or be impeached, Holder should be arested and put in jail, Pelosi and Reid should be committed to an insane asylum, Mitchell should consider retirement, Christis is a hypocrite, do not trust Muslim's period dot, and cannot figure out why the stock market is so strong if the economy is so bad - are we being duped, and vote Conservative.
Quote from: Reality on May 30, 2013, 04:57:55 AM
If Bachmann and Palin looked like Ugly Betty no one would give them the time of day.
BTW, I'm anti dem/lib, anti abortion, don't like the track the gay movement is on, OWS is made up of a bunch of derelicts, retired career military, think Obama should either resign or be impeached, Holder should be arested and put in jail, Pelosi and Reid should be committed to an insane asylum, Mitchell should consider retirement, Christis is a hypocrite, do not trust Muslim's period dot, and cannot figure out why the stock market is so strong if the economy is so bad - are we being duped, and vote Conservative.
The stock mkt is an illusion being completely propped up by the fed, but once Qe stops, that bubble will deflate, or rather explode and what the left claims is a recovery, will be instant depression.
The only reason people believe the economy is on a recovery, is because of the billions being pumped into the stock mkt via fiat money.
There is no recovery, and there is no real stock mkt anymore.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 29, 2013, 09:53:08 PM
If you are referring to the Hannity forum, my avatar there was 'Daffy Duck.' I understand that Reagan did believe in God, but he was not an ultra-religious nutcase. I have no problem with religious people in general, but I do have issues with the crazy lady who believes she can "Pray the Gay away." That's not the only ridiculous thing she's said, but it's the one that probably got the most press.
Also, why do some of you assume if I'm atheist I have to be a Democrat? I'm not a Democrat. I consider myself closer to a Goldwater Republican than anything else (ie. fiscally conservative and socially libertarian.) Kind of hard to be a Democrat when I believe in Capitalism, low taxes, reduction of red tape, and personal freedoms such as the right to own arms (most Democrats today [the so-called Progressives] don't believe in any of that.)
Good riddance Bachmann. The Party is better off in the hands of more sane and rational individuals such as Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. Look, I even like some of the more hardcore Bible thumpers in the Party such as Jim DeMint. I may not agree with some of his more extreme ideas such as Christian prayers in school, but at least the man is incredibly smart and rational. We need people like that, and not people like Bachmann and Palin who made a living out of empty rhetoric, throwing meaningless red meat at the base, and absolutely nothing else.
Uh...yeah...right. Sell that load somewhere else banni. Everyone here, that used to be there, knew immediately when you coupled your old avatar with your same opinions it was you. It would have even been better had you not been bragging about your posting here, in you own little insult club.
QuoteWelcome to the world of politics. If that's how you grade a pol, then where were you when all we heard was Hope and Change, why didn't you ask what that actually meant?
And you judge Bachman on avoiding hit pieces by the media?
I have said many times that 'hope' and 'change' were just blank slates that people could write whatever they wanted on them. It didn't mean anything. I remember posting this clip of Noam Chomsky explaining it.
Chomsky on "Hope" & "Change".mov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dq8FB8cFs4#ws)
I think it has come to the point where unless you believe Obama is the anti-christ and a muslim American hating communist, you're his supporter.
QuoteAnd you judge Bachman on avoiding hit pieces by the media?
Hit pieces ? I didn't realize she was a soft little lamb and you could only ask her questions which suited her. Would you give a democrat that same line of thinking ? I doubt it.
QuoteThe stock mkt is an illusion being completely propped up by the fed, but once Qe stops, that bubble will deflate, or rather explode and what the left claims is a recovery, will be instant depression.
The only reason people believe the economy is on a recovery, is because of the billions being pumped into the stock mkt via fiat money.
There is no recovery, and there is no real stock mkt anymore.
Pretty much. The stock market is like anything other 'piece' of the economy. When the fed pumps money into the economy, it is creating bubbles through out it. Including the stock market.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 30, 2013, 05:44:40 AM
I have said many times that 'hope' and 'change' were just blank slates that people could write whatever they wanted on them. It didn't mean anything. I remember posting this clip of Noam Chomsky explaining it.
Chomsky on "Hope" & "Change".mov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dq8FB8cFs4#ws)
I think it has come to the point where unless you believe Obama is the anti-christ and a muslim American hating communist, you're his supporter.
Hit pieces ? I didn't realize she was a soft little lamb and you could only ask her questions which suited her. Would you give a democrat that same line of thinking ? I doubt it.
Pretty much. The stock market is like anything other 'piece' of the economy. When the fed pumps money into the economy, it is creating bubbles through out it. Including the stock market.
You really don't see it, do you? The media tosses softballs at libs, while needling Conservatives on any given point.
That's the way it's been for decades, had the media done it's job with Hussein, the same way they went after Palin, we would have a very different Potus today.
Can you say double standard? If you had any critical thinking skills, you be comparing instead of falling for a leftist agenda.
By the way, you must have missed this post by accident. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Solar on May 28, 2013, 04:44:43 PM
OK, what I gave you is in the Congressional record, but as proof of what was written, here is a former KGB officer explaining how the USSR was infiltrating our values, media and Govt.
You can't make this stuff up, not to mention, did you notice that nearly all those warnings, have been fulfilled?
Seriously, take 10 minutes and listen, he is telling you exactly what is going on.
OBAMA's END GAME REVEALED BY KGB - Communist Obama Socialist / Marxist / Leninist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iz3VjoHXLA#)
QuoteYou really don't see it, do you? The media tosses softballs at libs, while needling Conservatives on any given point.
That's the way it's been for decades, had the media done it's job with Hussein, the same way they went after Palin, we would have a very different Potus today.
Can you say double standard? If you had any critical thinking skills, you be comparing instead of falling for a leftist agenda.
I agree. I would also argue that Fox News and other 'conservative' media stations do the same thing.
QuoteBy the way, you must have missed this post by accident.
I haven't missed it, I just can't listen to it at the moment and therefor can't comment. ( No sound, but will listen and respond later today.)
Quote from: redlom xof on May 30, 2013, 06:10:20 AM
I agree. I would also argue that Fox News and other 'conservative' media stations do the same thing.
of course you would, and percentage wise, you'd be wrong.
QuoteI haven't missed it, I just can't listen to it at the moment and therefor can't comment. ( No sound, but will listen and respond later today.)
If you get a chance, watch the video Billy posted, I think you will be in complete agreement with her findings.
It's not a con or lib issue, it's how we've all been duped.
Quoteof course you would, and percentage wise, you'd be wrong.
Is there any way to prove that ?
QuoteIf you get a chance, watch the video Billy posted, I think you will be in complete agreement with her findings.
It's not a con or lib issue, it's how we've all been duped.
I shall.
Quote from: Bowhntr on May 30, 2013, 05:40:19 AM
Uh...yeah...right. Sell that load somewhere else banni. Everyone here, that used to be there, knew immediately when you coupled your old avatar with your same opinions it was you. It would have even been better had you not been bragging about your posting here, in you own little insult club.
He is getting so little activity on his board he has to go somewhere.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 30, 2013, 06:28:45 AM
Is there any way to prove that ?
I shall.
What makes you think Fox is Conservative? They are not, they have RINO opinion shows, but their news is pretty much middle of the road.
If it were up to me, I'd make them do actual investigative journalism, something we see little of today.
I would describe fox news as " Sensationalist, Neo-Conservative,hyperbolic, fear mongering with a strong Republican base."
Some programs I did enjoy. Mostly judge Napolitano's 'Freedom watch'. But that didn't last very long on Fox.
Quote from: Bowhntr on May 30, 2013, 05:40:19 AM
Uh...yeah...right. Sell that load somewhere else banni. Everyone here, that used to be there, knew immediately when you coupled your old avatar with your same opinions it was you. It would have even been better had you not been bragging about your posting here, in you own little insult club.
You do realise the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a popular symbol for atheists. It's not exactly uncommon to find one with that symbol.
My name on Hannity was "Miami_Marlins_fan" and my avatar was Daffy Duck. I was banned last year (after a year there) for making a post in which I linked a survey that showed Protestant Christians are no longer the majority in this country. A day after that post I got a notice from a moderator that I was being banned for 5 days and my ban would be lifted then. They never unbanned me despite saying it was only a temporary ban, so I came here.
I'm still a little skeptical "Skeptic". I fear you still may be a secret muslim communist coming here to disrupt the peace...
So you don't deny that you're a 'communist Muslim American hating democrat' ?
Quote from: redlom xof on May 30, 2013, 09:35:26 AM
I would describe fox news as " Sensationalist, Neo-Conservative,hyperbolic, fear mongering with a strong Republican base."
Some programs I did enjoy. Mostly judge Napolitano's 'Freedom watch'. But that didn't last very long on Fox.
I'm talking about just the news, though I agree, they, like all news orgs sensationalize news to drag you in.
But there's a reason Fox is the number one rated news org, they have balance.
You can't say that about the rest of the crowd.
Admittedly, I'm talking more about the programs. Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity etc. I would say they are biased, in a very obvious way too.
It doesn't really matter though, all the networks have the same system and structure. They just slightly differ on a few small things, normally on social issues like gay rights, abortion etc.
Although I haven't seen your clip from the other thread, do you think Fox News falls under that communist control ? If so, why do you think they would be more balanced then ?
QuoteI would describe fox news as " Sensationalist, Neo-Conservative,hyperbolic, fear mongering with a strong Republican base."
That is hilarious....
Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2013, 10:11:20 AM
I'm talking about just the news, though I agree, they, like all news orgs sensationalize news to drag you in.
But there's a reason Fox is the number one rated news org, they have balance.
You can't say that about the rest of the crowd.
Watch both clips, then ask me again, you'll probably rephrase your question.
It's the reason I never watch the news, it, to me, is all opinion mixed with facts.
Quote from: redlom xof on May 30, 2013, 09:48:35 AM
So you don't deny that you're a 'communist Muslim American hating democrat' ?
Muslim? What part of atheist don't people get? No God means just that...no God.
Communist? Hell no, better dead than Red is what I have to say.
Democrat? Nope. Grew out of that one when I was in high school and got my first paycheck working at Winn-Dixie. Saw how much was being withheld in taxes and decided any party that wants to raise taxes is full of idiots.
I guess that leaves American hating? Well, I hate football which is a very American sport. But I love baseball which is the national American pastime. So I'll let you figure that one out.
Here is another idiot that came out of the same mold as Bachmann. What I don't get is how some Republicans claim to be for small government but then turn around and want the government to legislate morality.
If we stuck to fiscal conservatism and a reasonable foreign policy approach, and ditched the social/religious issues baggage, the GOP would be better off.
I'm so sick of the fiscally liberal/socially conservative people in the Party like Bachmann, Santorum, etc.
Rick Santorum "Gay People Should Stop Being Gay" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYDPSq4iKOY#ws)
ALL law is based on somebody's morality. Without exception. You're no conservative by any measure.
Quote from: Yawn on May 30, 2013, 12:24:55 PM
ALL law is based on somebody's morality. Without exception. You're no conservative by any measure.
And you are the kind of person who thinks someone is a conservative simply because they spout garbage like "The Earth is 5,000 years old," and "All science is the Devils work unless it's in the Bible."
As long as your elected officials spout that, it is OK if they are liberal spenders. Kind of like Bush. How many of you were worshiping him because he prayed in the White House, while ignoring the Trillions of Dollars he put this nation into the hole for. Same with Santorum...as long as he spills out the 'Hate the Gay' line, who cares whether he is an actual fiscal conservative or not? Right?
No wonder we'll never have a freaking balanced budget and actual fiscal responsibility. All you are simply interested in is anti-gay and pro-Christian rhetoric instead of actual fiscal conservatism (ie. Classic conservatism.)
You have no idea what I believe about those topics but they have NOTHING to do with govern g. The more you talk the more I see a hate filled bigoted anarchist lib.
Quote from: Yawn on May 30, 2013, 12:38:30 PM
You have no idea what I believe about those topics but they have NOTHING to do with govern g. The more you talk the more I see a hate filled bigoted anarchist lib.
Calling me a liberal don't make me a liberal.
I judge you by comparing your words with the Founders.
Quote from: Yawn on May 30, 2013, 12:51:49 PM
I judge you by comparing your words with the Founders.
Oh you mean people like Thomas Paine who was an atheist, Thomas Jefferson who created the concept of "separation of church and state," or Benjamin Franklin who was a big believer in secular education. I could go on and on. Most founders did believe in God (which doesn't bother me at all.) But they also believed in reason, science, and common sense. They were not the ultra-religious fundamentalists that some here would like to think they were. Hence the reason why we do have no nationally mandated religions, freedom of speech and belief (or lack of belief), secular public education, etc.
You make a lot of assumptions based on your religious bigotry and hate. Ill deal with them this evening. Its hard to argue using my phone
Religious bigotry? Nope, I don't mind the religious as long as they keep religion to themselves, their homes, and their churches/temples/mosques/etc. (where it belongs) and away from public education, politics, and the law (where it doesn't belong).
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 12:42:28 AM
You've lost the argument before it even began. I've never attacked anyone personally here, but I've noticed some people are quick to personally attack anyone who says anything they disagree with. I'd be happy to get into a detailed discussion, but not with someone who results to cheap insults as a way to "prove" their point.
Forgive me if I don't engage in elementary school level shouting matches and name calling. It's not my style.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 29, 2013, 08:02:29 AM
Thank God (figure of speech). That nutcase of a woman is terrifying. The Rep party needs to get rid of the loons like her if we are ever going to go back to the Party of Reagan.
Yeah... way to take the high road, hypocrite.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 12:49:02 PM
Calling me a liberal don't make me a liberal.
Behaving like one does, liberal.
Taxed, is Michelle Bachmann here on this forum? If not then haven't personally attacked her. There is a huge difference between attacking another member of this forum personally (which if I may add is against forum rules too) and criticizing a public figure.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 02:10:14 PM
Taxed, is Michelle Bachmann here on this forum? If not then haven't personally attacked her. There is a huge difference between attacking another member of this forum personally (which if I may add is against forum rules too) and criticizing a public figure.
You attacked a conservative lady. It doesn't matter if she's on this forum or not. Quit being a hypocrite and learn to debate.
Quote from: taxed on May 30, 2013, 02:11:03 PM
You attacked a conservative lady. It doesn't matter if she's on this forum or not. Quit being a hypocrite and learn to debate.
Surely there are far better Conservative ladies out there that we can use as an example to others, instead of Bachmann and Palin. The governor of Oklahoma comes to mind. I rather like her, and she seemed very smart and composed from what we saw last week.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 02:14:45 PM
Surely there are far better Conservative ladies out there that we can use as an example to others, instead of Bachmann and Palin. The governor of Oklahoma comes to mind. I rather like her, and she seemed very smart and composed from what we saw last week.
How would she be better than Palin? Do tell...
Quote from: taxed on May 30, 2013, 02:05:36 PM
Yeah... way to take the high road, hypocrite.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 01:27:08 PM
Religious bigotry? Nope, I don't mind the religious as long as they keep religion to themselves, their homes, and their churches/temples/mosques/etc. (where it belongs) and away from public education, politics, and the law (where it doesn't belong).
I've addressed this in the Religion Forum. YOU believe religion should be "kept in its place." So why are your anti-religion posts made in the Political forum?
Anyway, argue your points against religion over there. It's where I'll address your points.
I do have one question though. Do you believe the tens of millions of Christians should give up their right to vote? Do you think THEY should have no say in their government? Do you believe, like the Muslims, that Christians and Jews are SECOND CLASS CITIZENS, and deserve no voice in the operation of their government?
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 02:14:45 PM
Surely there are far better Conservative ladies out there that we can use as an example to others, instead of Bachmann and Palin. The governor of Oklahoma comes to mind. I rather like her, and she seemed very smart and composed from what we saw last week.
Do "we" have your permission to like Bachmann and Palin? Or do we need you approval?
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 01:04:01 PM
Oh you mean people like Thomas Paine who was an atheist, Thomas Jefferson who created the concept of "separation of church and state," or Benjamin Franklin who was a big believer in secular education. I could go on and on. Most founders did believe in God (which doesn't bother me at all.) But they also believed in reason, science, and common sense. They were not the ultra-religious fundamentalists that some here would like to think they were. Hence the reason why we do have no nationally mandated religions, freedom of speech and belief (or lack of belief), secular public education, etc.
You really believe your secular beliefs led to the freedoms you enjoy in America? It is Christianity that led to the recognition of Rights coming from GOD and not the State.
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Do you believe the tens of millions of Christians should give up their right to vote? Do you think THEY should have no say in their government? Do you believe, like the Muslims, that Christians and Jews are SECOND CLASS CITIZENS, and deserve no voice in the operation of their government?
Do you believe in putting words in peoples' mouths? No one is claiming anyone should be a second class citizen or not allowed to vote because of religious beliefs. I believe in the dignity of all human beings. Naturally some forfeit rights due to their actions (ie. murderers, rapists, terrorists, violent felons) in the interest of protecting the greater social good, but other than that no human being should be a second class citizen.
But I have no respect for legislators who want to impose their religious views on others. Here is a gem. This guy is in the science committee in Congress, and admits that he votes against scientific projects because in his opinion the science is not found in the Bible or goes against what his religious views are. Why should he deny scientific progress for others because he feels a need to defend a 2,500 year old book written by Iron Age goat herders in Israel?
In that respect, religious discussion does belong here, because people like this congressman want to play scientist even though he doesn't even know or understand the first thing about science.
Rep. Paul Broun Says Evolution, Embryology, and Big Bang Theory are "Lies from the Pit of Hell" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBy3MbP4WDo#ws)
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You've lost the argument before it even began. I've never attacked anyone personally here, but I've noticed some people are quick to personally attack anyone who says anything they disagree with. I'd be happy to get into a detailed discussion, but not with someone who results to cheap insults as a way to "prove" their point.
Forgive me if I don't engage in elementary school level shouting matches and name calling. It's not my style.
Still waiting to hear what it was you found so repulsive about Palin.
Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2013, 04:53:14 PM
Still waiting to hear what it was you found so repulsive about Palin.
The same thing I found repulsive about Obama. Palin was picked by McCain as a gimmick because his campaign was floundering and he thought that picking a woman would be a counter to the whole first black Presidential candidate thing. She had little experience at anything, and was the most inexperienced vice presidential candidate in a very long time. She was good at saying catchy slogans like "I'm a pit bull" and "drill baby, drill" but that was about it. It soon became apparent that she was way out of her league and in the end it became a huge negative distraction for the GOP. I'm sure she is a nice lady, but she is the kind of person who would be nice to have a bar b-q with, or invite to the local community event, but not presidential or vice presidential material. The fact that people continued to take her seriously and consider her as a possible presidential candidate for 2012 was terrifying. For crying out loud, she resigned 2 years into her governorship before scandals caught up with her and did her in. Alaska is a huge Republican state, and any Republican public official should have the easiest job in the world, yet she could not complete two years without getting involved in scandals, such as the one she had over a policeman she fired because he was her ex-brother in law.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
Do you believe in putting words in peoples' mouths? No one is claiming anyone should be a second class citizen or not allowed to vote because of religious beliefs. I believe in the dignity of all human beings. Naturally some forfeit rights due to their actions (ie. murderers, rapists, terrorists, violent felons) in the interest of protecting the greater social good, but other than that no human being should be a second class citizen.
But I have no respect for legislators who want to impose their religious views on others. Here is a gem. This guy is in the science committee in Congress, and admits that he votes against scientific projects because in his opinion the science is not found in the Bible or goes against what his religious views are. Why should he deny scientific progress for others because he feels a need to defend a 2,500 year old book written by Iron Age goat herders in Israel?
In that respect, religious discussion does belong here, because people like this congressman want to play scientist even though he doesn't even know or understand the first thing about science.
Please think this thru. You don't think Christians should be allowed to hold public office. You already said so.
If the People elect a man to REPRESENT them, who the hell are you to say he can't vote his conscience?
Specifically WHAT projects? You say you're a "conservative" :lol: but you're opposed to this man because he votes against "science projects" I have no idea who this man is, but why do you say he doesn't have a "right" to his vote? As a conservative, you should be against the Feds allocating the Taxpayer's hard earned money for unconstitutional "projects." You should be on his side regardless of HIS reasons.
You whine about "rights" that aren't even in the Constitution, but you criticize him for voting against spreading Taxpayer money around for unconstitutional projects.
Quote from: Yawn on May 30, 2013, 05:06:56 PM
Please think this thru. You don't think Christians should be allowed to hold public office. You already said so.
If the People elect a man to REPRESENT them, who the hell are you to say he can't vote his conscience?
Specifically WHAT projects? You say you're a "conservative" :lol: but you're opposed to this man because he votes against "science projects" I have no idea who this man is, but why do you say he doesn't have a "right" to his vote? As a conservative, you should be against the Feds allocating the Taxpayer's hard earned money for unconstitutional "projects." You should be on his side regardless of HIS reasons.
You whine about "rights" that aren't even in the Constitution, but you criticize him for voting against spreading Taxpayer money around for unconstitutional projects.
As Ronald Reagan told Carter: "There you go again."
I didn't say Christians should not be elected, but simply that I oppose overly-crazy religious fanatics. There are plenty of reasonable Christians in power who I would not mind voting for. In fact, I voted for Senator Rubio in 2010 (glad he won too.)
As for unconstitutional projects, not really. There is a lot the government can spend on thanks to the Taxing and Spending Clause, Commerce Clause, etc. Since the earliest times, government has always had a lot of latitude in what they spend money on. The problem is not that they spend money, but rather that they spend too much money. That can be remedied if we cut a lot of red tape, did an accounting of every Department and Agency and cut out the double spending and corruption, and froze the growth of the budget for a few years.)
Science spending is not a bad thing anyway. We need science if the US is going to remain a hub for medical innovation, computer technology, military technology, etc. Sure beats the spending on Obamacare, handouts for people not to work, and foreign aid.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 05:05:28 PM
The same thing I found repulsive about Obama. Palin was picked by McCain as a gimmick because his campaign was floundering and he thought that picking a woman would be a counter to the whole first black Presidential candidate thing. She had little experience at anything, and was the most inexperienced vice presidential candidate in a very long time.
This is proof that you are a complete and total idiot. She had more experience and accomplishments than anyone running COMBINED. Nobody had more accomplishments than she did. She put her own corrupt party members in jail. She led the largest infrastructure project IN HISTORY. Show me one single politician that did what she did with ACES, where she went against the corrupt oil companies and returned money to the people. She reduced earmarks in Alaska by 80%. She reduced real spending by over $1B. She vetoed over $500mm in spending. She reformed their public service retirement system and made it solvent. She brought in sweeping ethics reform. She accomplished an incredible amount.
You, Skeptic, are a complete moron.
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She was good at saying catchy slogans like "I'm a pit bull" and "drill baby, drill" but that was about it. It soon became apparent that she was way out of her league and in the end it became a huge negative distraction for the GOP. I'm sure she is a nice lady, but she is the kind of person who would be nice to have a bar b-q with, or invite to the local community event, but not presidential or vice presidential material. The fact that people continued to take her seriously and consider her as a possible presidential candidate for 2012 was terrifying. For crying out loud, she resigned 2 years into her governorship before scandals caught up with her and did her in. Alaska is a huge Republican state, and any Republican public official should have the easiest job in the world, yet she could not complete two years without getting involved in scandals, such as the one she had over a policeman she fired because he was her ex-brother in law.
Incorrect. She stepped down because Alaska is the ONLY state in the union that doesn't protect the governor. This means anyone with expendable income can just file complaint after complaint, and she is legally obligated to defend them, tying up time and resources. She stepped down because it would have driven her into bankruptcy, and she couldn't be effective being tied up like that. Any one of us would step down with that exposure. Are you going to lie and say you wouldn't have?
Skeptic, honestly, you are probably the dumbest person ever to register on this forum.
She had way less experience and accomplishment at anything than did Bidden or McCain (as much as I dislike those two clowns.) She definitely had as much or more experience than Obama. No one is denying that. And I didn't think Obama was suited for office to begin with, so the point is moot.
As for her getting into trouble and having to step down, too bad. She chose to run for Governor and had to live with the consequences. Funny how other Alaskan governors are not stepping down all the time and can handle the heat of politics.
And in regards to your need to insult others:
Ronald Reagan:There You Go Again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi9y5-Vo61w#)
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 05:29:44 PM
She had way less experience and accomplishment at anything than did Bidden or McCain (as much as I dislike those two clowns.) She definitely had as much or more experience than Obama. No one is denying that. And I didn't think Obama was suited for office to begin with, so the point is moot.
No, the point is not moot. At this point, you have dug a hole of idiocy, and need to climb out. She had FAR more experience than McCain and Biden. You don't understand what a governor is, or what they do. It's not your fault, your just an idiot.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122100776282517559.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122100776282517559.html)
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As for her getting into trouble and having to step down, too bad. She chose to run for Governor and had to live with the consequences. Funny how other Alaskan governors are not stepping down all the time and can handle the heat of politics.
Funny how other Alaskan governors never had an 80% approval rating, and didn't accomplish what she did. Someone had a lot of money, and figured out how to tie her up in court. Good job, and even better job not defending her, but taking the side of other liberals.
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And in regards to your need to insult others:
Ronald Reagan:There You Go Again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi9y5-Vo61w#)
I'm not insulting you. I am highlighting what you are, which is an idiot. Out of curiosity, how old are you, and what do you do?
I am 28 years old and have a Bachelor of Arts in International Relations from Florida International University, and a Juris Doctor Degree from Saint Thomas school of Law, and I'm licensed to practice law in Florida and Washington D.C. As to whom I represent and in what regards, I'm not sure my employer would appreciate me discussing it in an open forum. Nor do I wish to disclose anything that would allow anyone to identify me by name, so I won't. The corporations I represent are not liberal --let's just leave it at that.
I also speak 3 languages, and my hobbies are numismatics, history, fountain pens, sports shooting, and cigar and pipe smoking. Well, that's me in a nutshell without disclosing enough personal info as to allow someone to identify me by name.
PS: I doubt less than 2 years as Governor is more qualification than 20 years as a Senator (feel free to disagree)
So, when do we get to find out Taxed's education, employment, hobbies, etc.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 05:44:34 PM
I am 28 years old and have a Bachelor of Arts in International Relations from Florida International University, and a Juris Doctor Degree from Saint Thomas school of Law, and I'm licensed to practice law in Florida and Washington D.C. As to whom I represent and in what regards, I'm not sure my employer would appreciate me discussing it in an open forum nor do I wish to disclose anything that would allow anyone to identify me specifically, so I won't (the corporations I represent are not liberal --let's just leave it at that.)
I'm not asking you to disclose anything. You're 28 and have very little experience. So, you hid in school for most of your adult life, and now you're a glorified paralegal. If I had your accomplishments at 28, I would have jumped off a bridge.
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PS: I doubt less than 2 years as Governor is more qualification than 20 years as a Senator (feel free to disagree)
That's because, like I said before, you don't know the difference between a Senator and a Governor.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 05:55:41 PM
So, when do we get to find out Taxed's education, employment, hobbies, etc.
A lot more than yours... by the time I was 28.
Call me what you want, the Florida Bar says otherwise. It's true that attorneys who've been practicing for less than 5 years have to do the grunt work in order to learn and get ahead...but nothing you say can put me down. I worked my ass off harder than you'll ever know to get through law school and become an attorney. If you are so accomplished that it seems little too you...congratulations! I won't out someone else down for working hard and succeeding (that is a liberal trait, and I'm surprised to see you resorting to that.) But as far as I'm concerned I've accomplished quite a lot in my short life, and I'm rightfully proud of it. I'm sure given enough time, effort, and hard work I'll be able to accomplish as much as you. And if not, so what? Not all of us can be multimillionaires or tycoons of industry. All we can do is work hard and do our best to get ahead in life.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 06:04:40 PM
Call me what you want, the Florida Bar says otherwise.
Wow. You passed the Bar. How rare.
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It's true that attorneys who've been practicing for less than 5 years have to do the grunt work in order to learn and get ahead...
That's correct.
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but nothing you say can put me down.
I'm not putting you down. I'm highlighting that you don't have experience, and when it comes to your comments about Palin, you don't know enough to even comment, because you're commenting on something you know nothing about, and just parroting liberal propaganda.
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I worked my ass off harder than you'll ever know
I know you're wrong on that one...
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to get through law school and become an attorney. If you are so accomplished that it seems little too you...congratulations! I won't out someone else down for working hard and succeeding (that is a liberal trait, and I'm surprised to see you resorting to that.) But as far as I'm concerned I've accomplished quite a lot in my short life, and I'm rightfully proud of it.
Compared to a fry cook or fast food employee, sure. You did very well. Congrats.
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I'm sure given enough time, effort, and hard work I'll be able to accomplish as much as you.
No chance. I don't say that to be mean, but I know when someone has "it", and you ain't got it. I'm being honest. You will be a good worker mule, and will make a decent living, but you will be nowhere someone like myself, and especially nowhere even close to someone like Palin.
Easy there Rush Limbaugh, I'm not really interested in getting into an appendage measuring contest with someone over the internet.
And no, I won't be like Palin because I have zero interest in getting into politics. In this day and age of crazy media scrutiny, one would have to be an idiot to want to run for office and put their family through all of that. I'll gladly leave the political ambitions to others.
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Easy there Rush Limbaugh, I'm not really interested in getting into an appendage measuring contest with someone over the internet.
Just keep your panties on....
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And no, I won't be like Palin because I have zero interest in getting into politics. In this day and age of crazy media scrutiny, one would have to be an idiot to want to run for office and put their family through all of that. I'll gladly leave the political ambitions to others.
No, you'll never be like her because you lack the intelligence and drive to accomplish what she did.
Quote from: Skeptic on May 30, 2013, 05:05:28 PM
The same thing I found repulsive about Obama. Palin was picked by McCain as a gimmick because his campaign was floundering and he thought that picking a woman would be a counter to the whole first black Presidential candidate thing. She had little experience at anything, and was the most inexperienced vice presidential candidate in a very long time. She was good at saying catchy slogans like "I'm a pit bull" and "drill baby, drill" but that was about it. It soon became apparent that she was way out of her league and in the end it became a huge negative distraction for the GOP. I'm sure she is a nice lady, but she is the kind of person who would be nice to have a bar b-q with, or invite to the local community event, but not presidential or vice presidential material. The fact that people continued to take her seriously and consider her as a possible presidential candidate for 2012 was terrifying. For crying out loud, she resigned 2 years into her governorship before scandals caught up with her and did her in. Alaska is a huge Republican state, and any Republican public official should have the easiest job in the world, yet she could not complete two years without getting involved in scandals, such as the one she had over a policeman she fired because he was her ex-brother in law.
Little experience? Have you looked at Hussein's work history?
She successfully Governed Alaska, kicked the RINO, her own party to the curb, pushed through the biggest oil project in the history of the state, A1,700-mile gas pipeline, ran a spotless office, sold the States jet because it, like so many other projects the RINO did, was a boondoggle.
She sued EXXON over an oil lease it tied up to keep competition from developing, and won.
Sued the EPA over it's illegal use of the endangered species act
And her resignation had nothing to do with a single scandal, and I have no idea what you consider a scandal, because even after the leftist media went through all her emails, all they could find, was that she was an excellent leader.
Did it ever occur to you, had there been one iota of indiscretion, the media would have ran it day in and day out, yet not a peep.
And if you think the firing of the cop is a scandal, you better do some research, you definitely sound like the libs that pass through here spouting the same nonsense.
You know whats really sad, you actually think McCain's experience compared to hers is superior, when in truth, he's nothing but a go along, get along RINO that thinks conceding to the left, is governing.
The last thing we need is more of the same BS, we need knew blood, and I'd back her in a heart beat!
I don't find being a career politician a positive when choosing a candidate...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on May 30, 2013, 09:16:01 PM
I don't find being a career politician a positive when choosing a candidate...
Wherein lies the problem, for some stupid reason, people equate time in office sucking off the tax payer as experience.
Kick the whole lot to the curb and start afresh, I'd take 100 Palin's over the career pols any day.
Quote from: Solar on May 30, 2013, 09:42:07 PM
Wherein lies the problem, for some stupid reason, people equate time in office sucking off the tax payer as experience.
Kick the whole lot to the curb and start afresh, I'd take 100 Palin's over the career pols any day.
She'd put half of them in jail... no wonder they hate her...
Quote from: taxed on May 30, 2013, 09:56:47 PM
She'd put half of them in jail... no wonder they hate her...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
There's a lot of truth in that, and an awful lot of people she would make extremely nervous.
It amazes me that people equate stabbing people in the back to climb the ladder, burn allies for power and make shady underhanded deals is somehow seen as needed experience to be in politics.
Quote from: Solar on May 31, 2013, 06:15:56 AM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
There's a lot of truth in that, and an awful lot of people she would make extremely nervous.
It amazes me that people equate stabbing people in the back to climb the ladder, burn allies for power and make shady underhanded deals is somehow seen as needed experience to be in politics.
It is amazing. What is also funny is he compares a limited term Governor with a no limit termed Senator. So, no Governor can compare to a Senator in experience. I can't begin to make myself dumb enough to arrive at that.
Quote from: taxed on May 31, 2013, 07:45:17 AM
It is amazing. What is also funny is he compares a limited term Governor with a no limit termed Senator. So, no Governor can compare to a Senator in experience. I can't begin to make myself dumb enough to arrive at that.
I believe the problem is, these people listen to the MSM, they hear the howling that Christians want to take us back 300 years, they believe sexual perversion forced on the rest of us to be a right, they buy the divisions the left foists on the country and when our best representatives speak out against it, are labeled either Christian zealots or simply right wing extremists, racists and bigots.
If they would just turn off the TV and use critical thinking, they'd see the truth, it's the lefts process of divide and conquer.
I guess it's true, the constituency on both sides of the isle are stupid sheep that need to be led to slaughter.
Quote from: Solar on May 31, 2013, 08:01:56 AM
I believe the problem is, these people listen to the MSM, they hear the howling that Christians want to take us back 300 years, they believe sexual perversion forced on the rest of us to be a right, they buy the divisions the left foists on the country and when our best representatives speak out against it, are labeled either Christian zealots or simply right wing extremists, racists and bigots.
If they would just turn off the TV and use critical thinking, they'd see the truth, it's the lefts process of divide and conquer.
I guess it's true, the constituency on both sides of the isle are stupid sheep that need to be led to slaughter.
Totally.
I wish dumb people would know they're dumb. Nothing sadder than someone who talks about a topic while not knowing anything about it. Usually, the folks dumber than the sheep are those in the media feeding them propaganda.
Quote from: taxed on May 31, 2013, 08:06:36 AM
Totally.
I wish dumb people would know they're dumb. Nothing sadder than someone who talks about a topic while not knowing anything about it. Usually, the folks dumber than the sheep are those in the media feeding them propaganda.
Critical thinking...Is that too much to ask?
Quote from: Solar on May 31, 2013, 08:14:56 AM
Critical thinking...Is that too much to ask?
They need government to tell them what to do, and MSM to tell them what to think.