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Title: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Solar on April 26, 2023, 06:11:02 AM


https://twitter.com/i/status/1650978643567423494
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 27, 2023, 01:43:28 PM
I have seen it. I like the idea of what he's doing, but he'd have more credibility if he didn't state, as fact, things that aren't facts - US bombed Nordstream.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Possum on April 27, 2023, 02:30:09 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 27, 2023, 01:43:28 PMI have seen it. I like the idea of what he's doing, but he'd have more credibility if he didn't state, as fact, things that aren't facts - US bombed Nordstream.
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/02/10/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream-pipeline/

QuoteLast June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.

The biggest piece of evidence that it was the white house who ordered the bombing and the Navy who carried it out is the simple fact that NO fingers have pointed any where else. By now, the demented old fool you call a president should have been able to stumble up to a podium, clear his throat, crap his pants, and tell you what country, beyond a doubt, did it. 
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 27, 2023, 02:46:31 PM
Quote from: Possum on April 27, 2023, 02:30:09 PMhttps://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/02/10/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream-pipeline/

The biggest piece of evidence that it was the white house who ordered the bombing and the Navy who carried it out is the simple fact that NO fingers have pointed any where else. By now, the demented old fool you call a president should have been able to stumble up to a podium, clear his throat, crap his pants, and tell you what country, beyond a doubt, did it. 

The author paints a great picture of how the US could have done it, but it is just not a known fact that the US actually did it.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Possum on April 27, 2023, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 27, 2023, 02:46:31 PMThe author paints a great picture of how the US could have done it, but it is just not a known fact that the US actually did it.
And OJ is looking for the real killers.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

So who did it? You really think the U.S. could not prove it if ANYONE else did it?
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 27, 2023, 03:23:01 PM
Quote from: Possum on April 27, 2023, 03:12:57 PMAnd OJ is looking for the real killers.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

So who did it? You really think the U.S. could not prove it if ANYONE else did it?
it might have been the US. It might have been Russia to create a false flag. It could have been the British. Russia seems to be unusually angry at the Brits for some reason. Maybe they know something. It could have been somebody else. We don't know for sure.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Possum on April 27, 2023, 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 27, 2023, 03:23:01 PMit might have been the US. It might have been Russia to create a false flag. It could have been the British. Russia seems to be unusually angry at the Brits for some reason. Maybe they know something. It could have been somebody else. We don't know for sure.
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1490792461979078662?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1490792461979078662%7Ctwgr%5E95994fe407b5c322dbbd6aa643b6005dce708187%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsws.org%2Fen%2Farticles%2F2022%2F09%2F29%2Fhlqr-s29.html

Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Solar on April 27, 2023, 06:24:40 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 27, 2023, 03:23:01 PMit might have been the US. It might have been Russia to create a false flag. It could have been the British. Russia seems to be unusually angry at the Brits for some reason. Maybe they know something. It could have been somebody else. We don't know for sure.
https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-saying-end-nord-stream-resurfaces-after-pipeline-leak-1747005
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 27, 2023, 07:59:26 PM
Multiple investigations were done, by at least 3 different countries, and there was nothing conclusive.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Solar on April 27, 2023, 08:05:56 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 27, 2023, 07:59:26 PMMultiple investigations were done, by at least 3 different countries, and there was nothing conclusive.
While the rest of the world knows the truth you, for some reason, want to ignore the admission prior to the crime.
Biteme even stated it would happen. If a murderer made the same statement pointing at your wife, and she wound up dead, would you still look elsewhere?
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 05:48:14 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 27, 2023, 08:05:56 PMWhile the rest of the world knows the truth you, for some reason, want to ignore the admission prior to the crime.
Biteme even stated it would happen. If a murderer made the same statement pointing at your wife, and she wound up dead, would you still look elsewhere?
Quote from: Solar on April 27, 2023, 08:05:56 PMWhile the rest of the world knows the truth you, for some reason, want to ignore the admission prior to the crime.
Biteme even stated it would happen. If a murderer made the same statement pointing at your wife, and she wound up dead, would you still look elsewhere?
As the article points out, you can end a project without blowing up what the project has made:

"The Nord Stream 2 pipeline project was brought to an end on February 22 when the German government agreed to halt it. Germany has refused to provide the necessary certification for Nord Stream 2 and the pipeline has never been made operational.


The German government's decision was prompted by Russia recognizing two breakaway regions of Ukraine as independent—the self-declared Luhansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic—on February 21."
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Solar on April 28, 2023, 06:04:53 AM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 05:48:14 AMAs the article points out, you can end a project without blowing up what the project has made:

"The Nord Stream 2 pipeline project was brought to an end on February 22 when the German government agreed to halt it. Germany has refused to provide the necessary certification for Nord Stream 2 and the pipeline has never been made operational.


The German government's decision was prompted by Russia recognizing two breakaway regions of Ukraine as independent—the self-declared Luhansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic—on February 21."
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

You really don't follow International events/politics/money, do you?
There s an evil in the world today, and that evil is us. Biteme in as much admitted it, yet you simply don't want to believe everything you ever believed in, was a lie.

Yes, the party you supported is evil across the board, as in the other article I posted on child trafficking.
Hillary and Afrika, Libya, there is an evil entity that has stolen your party, and everything you come to discover, will be 100 times worse than you ever imagined possible.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Possum on April 28, 2023, 06:14:23 AM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 05:48:14 AMAs the article points out, you can end a project without blowing up what the project has made:

"The Nord Stream 2 pipeline project was brought to an end on February 22 when the German government agreed to halt it. Germany has refused to provide the necessary certification for Nord Stream 2 and the pipeline has never been made operational.


The German government's decision was prompted by Russia recognizing two breakaway regions of Ukraine as independent—the self-declared Luhansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic—on February 21."
Your president said
Quotethere will be no longer a Nord Stream 2.
.  How does it feel to be the only one who is still faked out by the lsm??????
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Solar on April 28, 2023, 06:31:50 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 28, 2023, 06:14:23 AMYour president said.  How does it feel to be the only one who is still faked out by the lsm??????
I hope I see the day he finally admits, our Nation is no longer governed by the people and for the people, but rather, how communists have taken over, are trying desperately to destroy our republic and, seize the rest of the world.

How is it possible that someone still thinks one party is better than the other when both have been moving leftward?
I doubt I'll be here for his admittance, that there is but one person and his movement who can reverse this.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 10:11:16 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 28, 2023, 06:14:23 AMYour president said.  How does it feel to be the only one who is still faked out by the lsm??????
Are you saying that Germany didn't halt the project?
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Possum on April 28, 2023, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 10:11:16 AMAre you saying that Germany didn't halt the project?
you mean despite the EVIDENCE that the pipeline was blown up you believe someone just turned it off?
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 10:45:06 AM
Quote from: Possum on April 28, 2023, 10:17:58 AMyou mean despite the EVIDENCE that the pipeline was blown up you believe someone just turned it off?
Nope.  I believe that Nord Stream 2 wasn't functioning anyway, kind of like the Keystone XL pipeline that was wrongly blamed for increasing gas prices, so there wasn't a need to blow it up to fuck Russia.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Solar on April 28, 2023, 11:07:06 AM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 10:45:06 AMNope.  I believe that Nord Stream 2 wasn't functioning anyway, kind of like the Keystone XL pipeline that was wrongly blamed for increasing gas prices, so there wasn't a need to blow it up to fuck Russia.
LOL!
How do those two even equate? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

How would an underwater leak ignite?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Talk about straw men... :biggrin:
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: Solar on April 28, 2023, 11:07:06 AMLOL!
How do those two even equate? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

How would an underwater leak ignite?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Talk about straw men... :biggrin:
I'm not saying the pipeline wasn't blown up.  I'm saying that Biden's comment wasn't a reference to sabotage and that sabotage wasn't even necessary because Germany stopped the project...a project that hadn't even moved any gas.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Solar on April 28, 2023, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 11:25:40 AMI'm not saying the pipeline wasn't blown up.  I'm saying that Biden's comment wasn't a reference to sabotage and that sabotage wasn't even necessary because Germany stopped the project...a project that hadn't even moved any gas.
Biden never said a thing about sabotaging, he simply said he will end it! A court would see it for what it was, and it wouldn't have been considered a threat, rather an edict!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/21/nord-stream-gazprom-russia-germany-gas/
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Possum on April 28, 2023, 12:05:54 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 10:45:06 AMNope.  I believe that Nord Stream 2 wasn't functioning anyway, kind of like the Keystone XL pipeline that was wrongly blamed for increasing gas prices, so there wasn't a need to blow it up to fuck Russia.
That was a whole lot of gas in that pipeline for "not working".  :lol:
But, so we can all agree, show a link that agrees with you that it was not functioning.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: Possum on April 28, 2023, 12:05:54 PMThat was a whole lot of gas in that pipeline for "not working".  :lol:
But, so we can all agree, show a link that agrees with you that it was not functioning.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Danish maritime authorities had issued a navigation warning and established a zone around the Nord Stream 2 pipeline "as it is dangerous for ship traffic", it added.

Nord Stream 2's operator said pressure in the pipeline, which had contained some gas sealed inside despite never becoming operational, dropped from 105 to 7 bars overnight.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/pressure-defunct-nord-stream-2-pipeline-plunged-overnight-operator-2022-09-26/

Nord Stream was halted on Aug. 31 and has not resumed flow due to what Russia's Gazprom has described as maintenance issues on turbines at the Portovaya compressor station.

Nord Stream 2 never started commercial operations despite construction work on the two-string 55 Bcm/year pipeline being completed in September last year and the lines then being filled with some 350 million cu m of gas in late December.

https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/natural-gas/092722-three-leaks-detected-on-nord-stream-nord-stream-2-pipelines-dea

Massive amounts of gas were released into the Baltic Sea after both links of the Nord Stream 1 pipeline and one of the two links of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline were ruptured on September 26.

Russia had already halted gas deliveries through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline in early September, citing technical problems. Nord Stream 2 never became operational as Germany halted its approval after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Putin said it was possible to repair the pipelines but that Russia and Europe should decide their fate.

https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-stream-2-germany-declines/a-63416138
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Possum on April 28, 2023, 12:40:39 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 12:24:27 PMDanish maritime authorities had issued a navigation warning and established a zone around the Nord Stream 2 pipeline "as it is dangerous for ship traffic", it added.

Nord Stream 2's operator said pressure in the pipeline, which had contained some gas sealed inside despite never becoming operational, dropped from 105 to 7 bars overnight.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/pressure-defunct-nord-stream-2-pipeline-plunged-overnight-operator-2022-09-26/

Nord Stream was halted on Aug. 31 and has not resumed flow due to what Russia's Gazprom has described as maintenance issues on turbines at the Portovaya compressor station.

Nord Stream 2 never started commercial operations despite construction work on the two-string 55 Bcm/year pipeline being completed in September last year and the lines then being filled with some 350 million cu m of gas in late December.

https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/latest-news/natural-gas/092722-three-leaks-detected-on-nord-stream-nord-stream-2-pipelines-dea

Massive amounts of gas were released into the Baltic Sea after both links of the Nord Stream 1 pipeline and one of the two links of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline were ruptured on September 26.

Russia had already halted gas deliveries through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline in early September, citing technical problems. Nord Stream 2 never became operational as Germany halted its approval after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Putin said it was possible to repair the pipelines but that Russia and Europe should decide their fate.

https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-stream-2-germany-declines/a-63416138
The pipeline was blown up!!!!!! There are reports all over, look them up. It was sabotaged and your president foretold he would do it!!!!!!!
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: Possum on April 28, 2023, 12:40:39 PMThe pipeline was blown up!!!!!! There are reports all over, look them up. It was sabotaged and your president foretold he would do it!!!!!!!
Yes, it was blown up.  Yes it was sabotaged. It also wasn't functional at the time, and Germany was not going to allow the pipeline to be used, so blowing it up to "get" Russia made little sense.

Again, three separate countries did investigations and found nothing conclusive on who did it.  Yes, the US may have done it.  Russia may have done it.  Any number of other countries may have done it, but stating it as FACT that the US did it is not accurate.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Possum on April 28, 2023, 02:35:56 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 02:13:45 PMYes, it was blown up.  Yes it was sabotaged. It also wasn't functional at the time, and Germany was not going to allow the pipeline to be used, so blowing it up to "get" Russia made little sense.

As Biden foretold he would!!

QuoteAgain, three separate countries did investigations and found nothing conclusive on who did it. Yes, the US may have done it.  Russia may have done it.  Any number of other countries may have done it, but stating it as FACT that the US did it is not accurate.
How many other countries bragged before hand they were going to do it?
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 02:36:31 PM
Quote from: Possum on April 28, 2023, 02:35:56 PMAs Biden foretold he would!!
How many other countries bragged before hand they were going to do it?
Biden said he was going to blow it up?  Link?
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Possum on April 28, 2023, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 02:36:31 PMBiden said he was going to blow it up?  Link?
Go back and reread the posts. It has been posted a couple of times.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 02:45:37 PM
Quote from: Possum on April 28, 2023, 02:37:28 PMGo back and reread the posts. It has been posted a couple of times.
I have.  That's why I pointed out that he never referenced explosives, sabotage, etc.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: taxed on April 28, 2023, 02:47:20 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 11:25:40 AMI'm not saying the pipeline wasn't blown up.  I'm saying that Biden's comment wasn't a reference to sabotage and that sabotage wasn't even necessary because Germany stopped the project...a project that hadn't even moved any gas.

Why was all that gas bubbling to the top after the explosion?
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: Possum on April 28, 2023, 03:10:38 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 02:45:37 PMI have.  That's why I pointed out that he never referenced explosives, sabotage, etc.
What you are trying to say is Biden promised to bring to an end a pipeline that was already brought to a end. Can you see where you are wrong, again? Biden was talking about the forthcoming sabotage.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 03:35:19 PM
Quote from: taxed on April 28, 2023, 02:47:20 PMWhy was all that gas bubbling to the top after the explosion?
The pipeline had gas and was pressurized, but was not operational. See post 21 above.
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: taxed on May 01, 2023, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: ZenMode on April 28, 2023, 03:35:19 PMThe pipeline had gas and was pressurized, but was not operational. See post 21 above.

Why was it not operational?
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on May 01, 2023, 12:09:06 PM
Quote from: taxed on May 01, 2023, 11:14:12 AMWhy was it not operational?
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-crisis-germany-halts-nord-stream-2-approval/a-60867443
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: taxed on May 01, 2023, 12:24:07 PM
Quote from: ZenMode on May 01, 2023, 12:09:06 PMhttps://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-crisis-germany-halts-nord-stream-2-approval/a-60867443

https://www.ft.com/content/2ea4ecf5-6f85-463c-a9d2-026492656588
Title: Re: If You Hadn't Seen It yet?
Post by: ZenMode on May 01, 2023, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: taxed on May 01, 2023, 12:24:07 PMhttps://www.ft.com/content/2ea4ecf5-6f85-463c-a9d2-026492656588
Yes, Russia shut down Nord Stream 1.  Germany shutdown Nord Stream 2.