To What End is Secession?

Started by rkluess, February 07, 2013, 11:25:05 AM

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pisskop

I think today's Liberalism is the result of our culture.  If we were able to refresh our popular culture, revive it back from. . . this fixation on 'here, now, and pleasurable' than attitudes would change.  With that so would the profligate lifestyles and the irresponsible descisions.  No longer would our nation's problems be swept under the rug for future generations.  This shift would allow some compromise between parties, because the left wouldn't be so left; or so infectous to the masses.

Our culture is what broke.  It changed attitudes and shaped the youth lifestyles.

In the 1960s one of the American Socialist Party members made a statement.  Actually several statements were made.

I can look it up later, but forgive me now for I am on a phone.

One loosely said that although Americans will never accept socialism they would happily adopt it piecemeal if it was branded liberalism or progressive.

Another lays out a plan to convert America by degrading its culture and ideals.  Wanton sex, homosexual approval, and art that is ambiguous was recommended amoung other things.

My own research says that the replacement of the oral story with visual media (as well as the decreased parental involvement) has allowed socialism to seep through at an avcelerated rate.

I shall organize myself tomorrow, if you wish. . .
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rich_t

Quote from: pisskop on February 07, 2013, 08:50:29 PM
I think today's Liberalism is the result of our culture.  If we were able to refresh our popular culture, revive it back from. . . this fixation on 'here, now, and pleasurable' than attitudes would change.  With that so would the profligate lifestyles and the irresponsible descisions.  No longer would our nation's problems be swept under the rug for future generations.  This shift would allow some compromise between parties, because the left wouldn't be so left; or so infectous to the masses.

Our culture is what broke.  It changed attitudes and shaped the youth lifestyles.

In the 1960s one of the American Socialist Party members made a statement.  Actually several statements were made.

I can look it up later, but forgive me now for I am on a phone.

One loosely said that although Americans will never accept socialism they would happily adopt it piecemeal if it was branded liberalism or progressive.

Another lays out a plan to convert America by degrading its culture and ideals.  Wanton sex, homosexual approval, and art that is ambiguous was recommended amoung other things.

My own research says that the replacement of the oral story with visual media (as well as the decreased parental involvement) has allowed socialism to seep through at an avcelerated rate.

I shall organize myself tomorrow, if you wish. . .

Allow me to express where I think we, as a nation, are now:

Quote"The America of today is a laboratory example if what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout history.  A perfect democracy, a 'warm body' democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction.  It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens... which is opposed by the folly and lack of  self-restraint of other citizens.  What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in public interest for the safety and welfare of all.  But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it... which for the majority translates as 'Bread and Circuses'.

Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure.  Democracy often works beautifully at first.  But once the state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state.  For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in it's weakened condition the state succums to an invader - the barbarians enter Rome." ~ Robert Heinlein


rich_t

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened."

Attributed to Norman Thomas, though there is some question as to whether he actually said it.

Solar

Quote from: pisskop on February 07, 2013, 08:50:29 PM
I think today's Liberalism is the result of our culture.  If we were able to refresh our popular culture, revive it back from. . . this fixation on 'here, now, and pleasurable' than attitudes would change.  With that so would the profligate lifestyles and the irresponsible descisions.  No longer would our nation's problems be swept under the rug for future generations.  This shift would allow some compromise between parties, because the left wouldn't be so left; or so infectous to the masses.

Our culture is what broke.  It changed attitudes and shaped the youth lifestyles.

In the 1960s one of the American Socialist Party members made a statement.  Actually several statements were made.

I can look it up later, but forgive me now for I am on a phone.

One loosely said that although Americans will never accept socialism they would happily adopt it piecemeal if it was branded liberalism or progressive.

Another lays out a plan to convert America by degrading its culture and ideals.  Wanton sex, homosexual approval, and art that is ambiguous was recommended amoung other things.

My own research says that the replacement of the oral story with visual media (as well as the decreased parental involvement) has allowed socialism to seep through at an avcelerated rate.

I shall organize myself tomorrow, if you wish. . .
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Quote from: rkluess on February 07, 2013, 11:25:05 AM
Full disclosure - I'm a new member, I'm interested in conservative politics, and although I plan to read a lot of what is on here, I may not post very much (time concerns - something I ran into trouble with when I was a regular on a different forum several years back).

That said, I recently published an ebook on secession (entitled --URL REMOVED BY TAXED--, which is the last shameless plug on it I'll make) and have been interested in what other conservatives tend to think of secession as a means to address political problems.  Clearly those who circulated and signed the petitions recognized that the petitions would fail - it could never be more than a publicity stunt to show disapproval with the presidential election.  However, established movements have had substantial support for years in Texas, New Hampshire, Vermont, as well as other states and regions.  Those individuals subscribing to that philosophy have a genuine interest in effecting their removal from the union.

My question - is secession treasonous, radical, or conservative?  I'm curious what your thoughts are.


To your question;  Secession only happens when it is necessary. And, youv can tell when its was become necessay when happens.

CubaLibre

The goal of secession is to ensure that all associations are voluntary, rather than coercive. Hence, state secession implies that the Union is a vountary agreement. Other forms of secession, like community or individual secession, are based upon the same principle, but taken farther.