To What End is Secession?

Started by rkluess, February 07, 2013, 11:25:05 AM

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rkluess

Gotcha.  So this is one of those forums where posters prefer the zingers and one-liners as opposed to actual open discussion?  It's always fun when the admins and mods are the first to do that.

Quote from: Solar on February 07, 2013, 12:07:20 PM
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Nailed it!

Quote from: walkstall on February 07, 2013, 12:23:55 PM
Bate and Switch.   :rolleyes:

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Quote from: rkluess on February 07, 2013, 12:15:09 PM
I get that you are trying to protect your site from advertisers.  Again, context should matter towards that, and if you can't see from the context that I wasn't walking in saying, "Hey, buy this, buy this, buy this," then this site is going to have some severe problems.
You're member number 1903.  The site has been doing fine before you.


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If you don't believe I'm a spammer, then I'm not sure what the original issue was?  Again, if the link was against TOS (which I don't believe it was), disable the link rather than censor it.  Had I not used the information as a link would it have been edited out?  Because if the answer is no, then I really don't understand the issue?  This strikes me as admins flexing their muscle against a new poster, which is a great way to make someone want to stay.
I was trying to be nice.  I do think you're a spammer.  However, if you can stay and contribute discussion and intellect to the forum, then great, and welcome aboard.
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Quote from: rkluess on February 07, 2013, 12:30:28 PM
Gotcha.  So this is one of those forums where posters prefer the zingers and one-liners as opposed to actual open discussion?  It's always fun when the admins and mods are the first to do that.

Wait until Bert jumps in....
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Shooterman

Quote from: rkluess on February 07, 2013, 11:25:05 AM
Full disclosure - I'm a new member, I'm interested in conservative politics, and although I plan to read a lot of what is on here, I may not post very much (time concerns - something I ran into trouble with when I was a regular on a different forum several years back).

That said, I recently published an ebook on secession (entitled --URL REMOVED BY TAXED--, which is the last shameless plug on it I'll make) and have been interested in what other conservatives tend to think of secession as a means to address political problems.  Clearly those who circulated and signed the petitions recognized that the petitions would fail - it could never be more than a publicity stunt to show disapproval with the presidential election.  However, established movements have had substantial support for years in Texas, New Hampshire, Vermont, as well as other states and regions.  Those individuals subscribing to that philosophy have a genuine interest in effecting their removal from the union.

My question - is secession treasonous, radical, or conservative?  I'm curious what your thoughts are.

I will answer before reading other posts.

It is not treasonous by any stretch.

Radical? Only if what the colonists did to separate from the Crown, but absolutely not so when the new union separated from the Confederation. Was it treasonous or radical for West Virginia to secede from Virginia? Was it treasonous or radical for New York, Rhode Island, and Virginia to specify within their ratification documents, they reserved ti right to withdraw? That in turn made it viable for all states to do so. Why was a Constitutional Amendment proposed just prior to the War of Northern Aggression making secession illegal, if it wasn't already illegal to do so?

Why wasn't Jefferson Davis ( already treated shabbily for two years by the union ) and Robert E Lee, along with other officers of the Confederacy hung as traitors if it was treasonous.

Who formed the union? The original Continental Congress, as Lincoln supposed and stated, or the states meeting in convention that ratified the Constitution, thereby creating the union?
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rkluess

Fair enough.  Think what you like.  I appreciate the warning as far as others who really enjoy the political discourse version of fart jokes.  Looks like this isn't the place for me.  Sorry to waste your time. 

Have whatever fun you like at my expense, because I know that's how this works.  Enjoy.

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Quote from: rkluess on February 07, 2013, 12:37:00 PM
Fair enough.  Think what you like.  I appreciate the warning as far as others who really enjoy the political discourse version of fart jokes.  Looks like this isn't the place for me.  Sorry to waste your time. 

Have whatever fun you like at my expense, because I know that's how this works.  Enjoy.

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walkstall

Quote from: rkluess on February 07, 2013, 12:30:28 PM
Gotcha.  So this is one of those forums where posters prefer the zingers and one-liners as opposed to actual open discussion?  It's always fun when the admins and mods are the first to do that.

Dance all you like.  You were plugging your e-book.
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Shooterman

Quote from: rkluess on February 07, 2013, 12:15:09 PM
I get that you are trying to protect your site from advertisers.  Again, context should matter towards that, and if you can't see from the context that I wasn't walking in saying, "Hey, buy this, buy this, buy this," then this site is going to have some severe problems.

If you don't believe I'm a spammer, then I'm not sure what the original issue was?  Again, if the link was against TOS (which I don't believe it was), disable the link rather than censor it.  Had I not used the information as a link would it have been edited out?  Because if the answer is no, then I really don't understand the issue?  This strikes me as admins flexing their muscle against a new poster, which is a great way to make someone want to stay.

RKL, may I suggest in a friendly manner, having known these old boys, sometimes to my detriment and sometime to theirs, but any fora is a product of the owners. It is their house, we but rent ( the rates are cheap ) and do so by their rules. When the rules change, you have a choice; conform or leave. I speak from experience as I have done exactly that in the past.

Discuss your point and forget about any slight you may have felt, or simply pack your kit, grab your old felt hat, find a moon to look over your shoulder, and truck on down the highway. ( I am fully aware the previous may and probably will be lost on all.  :lol: )
There's no ticks like Polyticks-bloodsuckers all Davy Crockett 1786-1836

Yankees are like castor oil. Even a small dose is bad.
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taxed

Quote from: Shooterman on February 07, 2013, 12:45:24 PM
RKL, may I suggest in a friendly manner, having known these old boys, sometimes to my detriment and sometime to theirs, but any fora is a product of the owners. It is their house, we but rent ( the rates are cheap ) and do so by their rules. When the rules change, you have a choice; conform or leave. I speak from experience as I have done exactly that in the past.

Discuss your point and forget about any slight you may have felt, or simply pack your kit, grab your old felt hat, find a moon to look over your shoulder, and truck on down the highway. ( I am fully aware the previous may and probably will be lost on all.  :lol: )

You haven't been getting the invoices?????????
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Solar

Quote from: rkluess on February 07, 2013, 12:30:28 PM
Gotcha.  So this is one of those forums where posters prefer the zingers and one-liners as opposed to actual open discussion?  It's always fun when the admins and mods are the first to do that.

Quote"I'm starting this site for a little bit of shameless self-promotion.  With any luck, this will land me a great job, sell some of my works, or simply entertain a few people."

"I have a strong Customer Service background."

Oh cut the crap, you aren't fooling anyone, you knew quite well it's poor etiquette to enter any business and try and sell your wares, as evidenced by your very own words!
Indignation? I think someones pants are afire.
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pisskop

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By the by, was that why the link I put in for the facebook imitation shut down?  I had no clue. . .

And if you, OP wanted an answer to your question you'd just accept it as it is, maybe just post the name of the book?  But I feel that particular ship sailed away. . .
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taxed

Quote from: pisskop on February 07, 2013, 12:58:35 PM
:popcorn:

By the by, was that why the link I put in for the facebook imitation shut down?  I had no clue. . .

And if you, OP wanted an answer to your question you'd just accept it as it is, maybe just post the name of the book?  But I feel that particular ship sailed away. . .

For what?
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Shooterman

Quote from: taxed on February 07, 2013, 12:47:04 PM
You haven't been getting the invoices?????????

That's what those were? I used them for toilet paper. A little scratchy, mind you, but waste not, want not.
There's no ticks like Polyticks-bloodsuckers all Davy Crockett 1786-1836

Yankees are like castor oil. Even a small dose is bad.
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Solar

Quote from: pisskop on February 07, 2013, 12:58:35 PM
:popcorn:

By the by, was that why the link I put in for the facebook imitation shut down?  I had no clue. . .

And if you, OP wanted an answer to your question you'd just accept it as it is, maybe just post the name of the book?  But I feel that particular ship sailed away. . .
I don't think anyone touched it, I could be wrong, but I hate any and all those social media progs, but that's just me, that's why I didn't respond.
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