As I understand it, Iran is wiling to limit enrichment to under 4 % and allow inspections but IMO Israel wants war. Judge Nap should be great Friday.
Former CIA Ray McGovern says CIA Dulles hoped to "mousetrap" JFK at the Bay of Pigs. I.e. the Cuban exiles ere trapped on the beach so the US would have to enter the fight. JFK refused. Israel may want the same thing if Iran clobbers Israel with rockets but Iran has been very measured so far.
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Quote from: patentlymn on June 12, 2025, 06:23:39 PMAs I understand it, Iran is wiling to limit enrichment to under 4 % and allow inspections but IMO Israel wants war. Judge Nap should be great Friday.
When your enemy calls you little Satan and Great Satan, and tells you they want to destroy you, you believe them.
No one wants war, and Iran was given the option to stop producing nuclear weapons.
Iran refused and left Israel with no other option but to destroy Iran's ability to hold any kind of war.
So far, it looks like Ayatollah Ali Khamenei survived, so far.
Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2025, 01:34:43 AMWhen your enemy calls you little Satan and Great Satan, and tells you they want to destroy you, you believe them.
No one wants war, and Iran was given the option to stop producing nuclear weapons.
Iran refused and left Israel with no other option but to destroy Iran's ability to hold any kind of war.
So far, it looks like Ayatollah Ali Khamenei survived, so far.
I have not followed this in detail. I think that Iran was open to limiting enrichment to 3.7 % and inspections. Israel demands removing all enrichment equipment, and stopping all support for enemies of Israel in the region. Maybe removing their ballistic missiles? There are civilian uses for the 3.7% uranium
IMO Israel wants war on Iran and wants the US to do this. Israel may call out for US help after Iran retaliates.
Israel smuggled in small drones ahead of time and used them to take out the Iranian air defense.
Some analysis on judge Nap. These guys were not anti Trump at the time of his election win.
https://youtu.be/Vp91gF8mMvM
INTEL Roundtable w/ Johnson & McGovern : Weekly Wrap 12-June 28 min.
Alex is a good daily news aggregator. He seems depressed over Trump not being anti war. He says this Israel attack was mostly a decapitation attack.
https://youtu.be/qddwPeU5Ow4?list=TLPQMTMwNjIwMjWc5r0ozo-ZrA
Alex Christoforou
Iran regime change. Trump, more war coming. Rubio unilateral strike. Bibi in Greece? Oil price jumps 34 min.
Wilkerson is very knowledgeable.
https://youtu.be/0oGP6bj1F8Q?list=TLPQMTMwNjIwMjWc5r0ozo-ZrA
COL. Lawrence Wilkerson : Foreign Policy in Chaos. 21 min.
Quote from: patentlymn on June 13, 2025, 01:58:24 PMI have not followed this in detail. I think that Iran was open to limiting enrichment to 3.7 % and inspections. Israel demands removing all enrichment equipment, and stopping all support for enemies of Israel in the region. Maybe removing their ballistic missiles? There are civilian uses for the 3.7% uranium
IMO Israel wants war on Iran and wants the US to do this. Israel may call out for US help after Iran retaliates.
Israel smuggled in small drones ahead of time and used them to take out the Iranian air defense.
Some analysis on judge Nap. These guys were not anti Trump at the time of his election win.
https://youtu.be/Vp91gF8mMvM
INTEL Roundtable w/ Johnson & McGovern : Weekly Wrap 12-June 28 min.
Alex is a good daily news aggregator. He seems depressed over Trump not being anti war. He says this Israel attack was mostly a decapitation attack.
https://youtu.be/qddwPeU5Ow4?list=TLPQMTMwNjIwMjWc5r0ozo-ZrA
Alex Christoforou
Iran regime change. Trump, more war coming. Rubio unilateral strike. Bibi in Greece? Oil price jumps 34 min.
Wilkerson is very knowledgeable.
https://youtu.be/0oGP6bj1F8Q?list=TLPQMTMwNjIwMjWc5r0ozo-ZrA
COL. Lawrence Wilkerson : Foreign Policy in Chaos. 21 min.
Do you know the difference between enrichment and highly enriched? Trump warned the Ayatollah that they would be bombed back to the Stone Age if they didn't give up their enrichment program, yet they kept saying they had a right to do so.
When Iran refused, Trump said there would be a regime change and Israel would make it happen.
That was just the first softening of the target; it will intensify as weeks go by, or until Iran concedes..
Remember, this is not just about Israel, Hezbollah, Houthi Etc. and all their factions have sleeper cells across the globe.
If they aren't stopped today, their terrorist threats won't be limited to the M/E.
Oh, and Judge Nap is an Idiot! That's why he no longer gets airtime.
As a pragmatist, I hate all war, but the realist in me knows evil when I see it, and the Iranian leadership is pure evil and must be destroyed.
Now ask yourself, would you rather have Trump in office during this time, or allies of Lyndsey Graham in charge?
Trump is the only leader who can bring this to an end, even Iran knows this, because he keeps his word.
Remember when these zealots took over our embassy? Nothing happened under the weak Carter, but the moment Reagan was sworn in, Iran capitulated. Iran knows what real leadership looks like; they also know Trump is accepted as the world's leader by all Nations on the planet. This war will be over within two weeks. There will be peace...
Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2025, 02:32:49 PMAs a pragmatist, I hate all war, but the realist in me knows evil when I see it, and the Iranian leadership is pure evil and must be destroyed.
Now ask yourself, would you rather have Trump in office during this time, or allies of Lyndsey Graham in charge?
Trump is the only leader who can bring this to an end, even Iran knows this, because he keeps his word.
Remember when these zealots took over our embassy? Nothing happened under the weak Carter, but the moment Reagan was sworn in, Iran capitulated. Iran knows what real leadership looks like; they also know Trump is accepted as the world's leader by all Nations on the planet. This war will be over within two weeks. There will be peace...
Every leader in Iran, from the most powerful to those who have less, know Israel can take them out anytime they want. There must be hundreds of Iranians feeding information to Israelis in order to track down the evil ones with such precision.
Looking back over Trump's statements over the past couple of weeks, he played Iran like a finely tuned fiddle. They never saw what was coming. And the democrats got played even worse.
Quote from: Possum on June 13, 2025, 02:40:53 PMEvery leader in Iran, from the most powerful to those who have less, know Israel can take them out anytime they want. There must be hundreds of Iranians feeding information to Israelis in order to track down the evil ones with such precision.
Looking back over Trump's statements over the past couple of weeks, he played Iran like a finely tuned fiddle. They never saw what was coming. And the democrats got played even worse.
Agree. I once read that the US and Israel have thousands of spies embedded in every aspect of the Iranian government.
It's no surprise to see Iran hit with such precision, only to see such a weak response in return.
I remember seeing life in Iran change overnight, to that of a slave community, the people remember it as well and want it back.
Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2025, 02:32:49 PMAs a pragmatist, I hate all war, but the realist in me knows evil when I see it, and the Iranian leadership is pure evil and must be destroyed.
Now ask yourself, would you rather have Trump in office during this time, or allies of Lyndsey Graham in charge?
Trump is the only leader who can bring this to an end, even Iran knows this, because he keeps his word.
Remember when these zealots took over our embassy? Nothing happened under the weak Carter, but the moment Reagan was sworn in, Iran capitulated. Iran knows what real leadership looks like; they also know Trump is accepted as the world's leader by all Nations on the planet. This war will be over within two weeks. There will be peace...
I am no fan of Islam or Iran but they have shown great restraint given recent Israel assassinations and attacks in the region. . Israel wants to be the only substantial military power remaining in the region. This requires US help in creating chaos in the region.
Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2025, 02:46:50 PMAgree. I once read that the US and Israel have thousands of spies embedded in every aspect of the Iranian government.
It's no surprise to see Iran hit with such precision, only to see such a weak response in return.
I remember seeing life in Iran change overnight, to that of a slave community, the people remember it as well and want it back.
this isn't meant as a joke, but I bet China has hundreds of spies in the democrat party. There will probably be more democrats sorry to see Wi go than Chinese.
Quote from: patentlymn on June 13, 2025, 03:05:04 PMI am no fan of Islam or Iran but they have shown great restraint given recent Israel assassinations and attacks in the region. . Israel wants to be the only substantial military power remaining in the region. This requires US help in creating chaos in the region.
I think Saudi Arabia might take issue with that claim. :wink:
Truth is, Europe was the first to make a mess with the whole of the M/E, followed by the US and our CIA.
I see us as the enemy in the M/E, how we've been pitting enemies against one another to keep a constant imbalance in the region.
For decades, the Military Industrial Complex has had an endless supply of customers, and when one dried up, the CIA was there to support the highest bidder to keep the game going.
The way I see it, over the last 40+ years, we have been the instigators of war in the M/E and Trump is about to bring an end to all of it.
Quote from: Possum on June 13, 2025, 03:08:51 PMthis isn't meant as a joke, but I bet China has hundreds of spies in the democrat party. There will probably be more democrats sorry to see Wi go than Chinese.
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Not to derail the thread, but I was just watching Luna eviscerate the DNC and their ties to the CCP. Fuckin Elegant!
Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2025, 03:16:57 PM:biggrin:
Not to derail the thread, but I was just watching Luna eviscerate the DNC and their ties to the CCP. Fuckin Elegant!
Excellent video. Democrats never had a chance.
Quote from: Possum on June 13, 2025, 03:27:01 PMExcellent video. Democrats never had a chance.
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The whole world saw it! :thumbup:
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I just spoke with
@realDonaldTrump
on the phone. The President told me the US supports Israel and called the strikes on Iran last night "a very successful attack."
"We of course support Israel, obviously and supported it like nobody has ever supported it," Trump said during our brief phone call.
"Iran should have listened to me when I said - you know I gave them, I don't know if you know but I gave them a 60-day warning and today is day 61," he added.
"They should now come to the table to make a deal before it's too late. It will be too late for them. You know the people I was dealing with are dead, the hardliners," the president said. He would not specify which people he was referring to.
Asked if this was a result of Israel's attack last night, President Trump responded sarcastically: "They didn't die of the flu; they didn't die of Covid."
Quote from: patentlymn on June 13, 2025, 03:05:04 PMI am no fan of Islam or Iran but they have shown great restraint given recent Israel assassinations and attacks in the region. . Israel wants to be the only substantial military power remaining in the region. This requires US help in creating chaos in the region.
You do realize what everyone in the region already knows, that Iran funds most of the terrorism, most of the attacks on Israel, and teaches everyone in Israel, must die? The only reason Iran shows restraint is because they can not face Israel, as you will soon see, in a war. They have never stopped training terrorist. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Oman, Morocco, Bahrain, and Sudan are backing Israel, not Iran!!
Quote from: Possum on June 13, 2025, 03:37:29 PMYou do realize what everyone in the region already knows, that Iran funds most of the terrorism, most of the attacks on Israel, and teaches everyone in Israel, must die? The only reason Iran shows restraint is because they can not face Israel, as you will soon see, in a war. They have never stopped training terrorist. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Oman, Morocco, Bahrain, and Sudan are backing Israel, not Iran!!
I don't recall much terrorism in the region in past decades. Not Shia backed anyway. US and others backed the terrorists taking down Syria. US ruined Libya, Syria, Iraq, some of Lebanon as I recall. I recall Blinken said that the middle east was peaceful before Oct 7.
Some former CIA guy said the US govt listed top sponsors of terror every year and Iran was not in the top 10 for a couple decades.
First off, Blinken, as with every other cabinet member of the Biden administration was a idiot. Two, all of the Mideast was peaceful, and growing until the Islamic fundamentalist took over. Then the main speech was death to Israel, death to America. Women were wrapped up and learning was restricted. Rape became a religion obligation.
Afghanistan at one time, and not that long ago, was a very progressive place, women went to college, got a degree. Now they wear burkas. Islamic fundamentalism decided women should not be educated, seen, vote, get the point?
Israel had nothing to do with that. They believe women had equal rights to education, responsibility, and to achieve all they could. Sounds pretty much like what we used to believe when this country held women in a higher regard. Ask yourself, where is a women in the Mideast treated as an equal? The only country in the Mideast is Israel.
I understand, you blame Israel for the fact that Iran has for years waged terrorist war against them. Many liberals in this country do the same. Have you ever thought Israel has a right to exist? Israel has retaliated in force every time it has come under attack. I would hope our own country would do the same. Do you? Does Israel have the right to defend itself?
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I understand, you blame Israel for the fact that Iran has for years waged terrorist war against them. Many liberals in this country do the same. Have you ever thought Israel has a right to exist? Israel has retaliated in force every time it has come under attack. I would hope our own country would do the same. Do you? Does Israel have the right to defend itself?
I NEVER put white hats on the Palestinians in this fight. I am not sure if there are such people as Palestinians. Maybe yes maybe no.It is possible for both sides to wear black hats in this fight. . It is possible for two bad tribes to fight each other.
I knew all the stuff abut women and have no love for Islam. Years ago I saw or heard an Afghan woman describing how she was in medical school in the good days, when the Soviets were there. Then the US helped push them out and now she is forced to wear some bag/burka/hijab over her head and not work. I felt kinda sick as I wondered if the Soviets were the good guys and we were the bad guys.
I read Soldiers of God by Robert D. Kaplan. He embedded with the mujahedin fighting the Soviets. The women were regarded as filthy and unclean. better to have sex with a boy. He said he only knew there was a woman in the house because the food was better.
IMO Islam is better to the extent it is not followed.
I stopped following Israel after Bill Clinton put together a two state solution that Yassir Arafat rejected. Moderate Palestinian politicians were killed. Decades passed.. I did not pay attention.
I chose not to dig int this. Not enough time. It seems that the current Israelis go out of their way to humiliate and oppress Palestinians. I got a telegram post of an IDF soldier taking a chainsaw to an olive tree in the west bank. The owner was crying out about his olives. IMO the Israelis acted like A-holes when they did not have to. Netanyahu and his party support Hamas as both do not want a two state solution.
Quote from: patentlymn on June 13, 2025, 08:09:28 PMI NEVER put white hats on the Palestinians in this fight. I am not sure if there are such people as Palestinians. Maybe yes maybe no.It is possible for both sides to wear black hats in this fight. . It is possible for two bad tribes to fight each other.
I knew all the stuff abut women and have no love for Islam. Years ago I saw or heard an Afghan woman describing how she was in medical school in the good days, when the Soviets were there. Then the US helped push them out and now she is forced to wear some bag/burka/hijab over her head and not work. I felt kinda sick as I wondered if the Soviets were the good guys and we were the bad guys.
I read Soldiers of God by Robert D. Kaplan. He embedded with the mujahedin fighting the Soviets. The women were regarded as filthy and unclean. better to have sex with a boy. He said he only knew there was a woman in the house because the food was better.
IMO Islam is better to the extent it is not followed.
I stopped following Israel after Bill Clinton put together a two state solution that Yassir Arafat rejected. Moderate Palestinian politicians were killed. Decades passed.. I did not pay attention.
I chose not to dig int this. Not enough time. It seems that the current Israelis go out of their way to humiliate and oppress Palestinians. I got a telegram post of an IDF soldier taking a chainsaw to an olive tree in the west bank. The owner was crying out about his olives. IMO the Israelis acted like A-holes when they did not have to. Netanyahu and his party support Hamas as both do not want a two state solution.
The palestinians are a real people, been around from biblical times. They have been offered their own state several times, they turned it down. No other country wants them. When they choose their own government, they choose terrorist. They harbor terrorist. Their hate for the jews is greater than their love for their own children. They do not want peace, they want Israel dead. If our neighbor to the south acted this way we would use our military to get rid of the threat also.
Quote from: Possum on Today at 04:33:36 AMThe palestinians are a real people, been around from biblical times. They have been offered their own state several times, they turned it down. No other country wants them. When they choose their own government, they choose terrorist. They harbor terrorist. Their hate for the jews is greater than their love for their own children. They do not want peace, they want Israel dead. If our neighbor to the south acted this way we would use our military to get rid of the threat also.
You are correct about everything, except Palestinian real history. It's a fascinating story, one few even know about.
DNA has proven they're nothing more than Arabs. History has exposed that they were the offspring of the banished to the land of Israel, a land no one wanted, but Israelis, who paid cash for the land, a land they already owned.
The other people in Palestine, (all Of The Middle East) wanted nothing to do with beggars, thieves, and nomads, in essence Gypsies.
These people were the dregs of society and were later used as pawns in International affairs. A timeline of their history proves that the entirety of the Arab world still rejects them, which is why no one wanted to take them in when Israel was attacking Iran's proxy force.
I think the only way peace will ever come to the M/E is if Christianity gains a stronghold.
Quote from: Solar on Today at 04:49:47 AMYou are correct about everything, except Palestinian real history. It's a fascinating story, one few even know about.
DNA has proven they're nothing more than Arabs. History has exposed that they were the offspring of the banished to the land of Israel, a land no one wanted, but Israelis, who paid cash for the land, a land they already owned.
The other people in Palestine, (all Of The Middle East) wanted nothing to do with beggars, thieves, and nomads, in essence Gypsies.
These people were the dregs of society and were later used as pawns in International affairs. A timeline of their history proves that the entirety of the Arab world still rejects them, which is why no one wanted to take them in when Israel was attacking Iran's proxy force.
I think the only way peace will ever come to the M/E is if Christianity gains a stronghold.
They are a society that has changed little if at all over generations. The ones from biblical times would fit right in with their hatred today. Iran will supply them with arms to kill jews, other than that even Iran, with all it's evil wants nothing to do with them.
There has been some talk about splitting up the people to make it much harder for them to support terrorism. I wonder if that will still be on the table and where would they go?
Quote from: Possum on Today at 05:22:40 AMThey are a society that has changed little if at all over generations. The ones from biblical times would fit right in with their hatred today. Iran will supply them with arms to kill jews, other than that even Iran, with all it's evil wants nothing to do with them.
There has been some talk about splitting up the people to make it much harder for them to support terrorism. I wonder if that will still be on the table and where would they go?
Bingo! They're nothing but pawns and always will be unless drastic changes take effect, like killing off I-slum.
That's the thing, no one wants them, they're seen as inner city ghetto dwellers with zero ambition. The literal dregs of society.
Just like here in the US.