Quote from: Possum on June 13, 2025, 03:37:29 PMYou do realize what everyone in the region already knows, that Iran funds most of the terrorism, most of the attacks on Israel, and teaches everyone in Israel, must die? The only reason Iran shows restraint is because they can not face Israel, as you will soon see, in a war. They have never stopped training terrorist.  Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Oman, Morocco, Bahrain, and Sudan are backing Israel, not Iran!!

I don't recall much terrorism in the region in past decades. Not Shia backed anyway.  US and others backed the terrorists taking down Syria. US ruined Libya, Syria, Iraq, some of Lebanon as I recall. I recall Blinken said that the middle east was peaceful before Oct 7.

Some former CIA guy said the US govt listed top sponsors of terror every year and Iran was not in the top 10 for a couple decades.

First off, Blinken, as with every other cabinet member of the Biden administration was a idiot. Two, all of the Mideast was peaceful, and growing until the Islamic fundamentalist took over. Then the main speech was death to Israel, death to America. Women were wrapped up and learning was restricted. Rape became a religion obligation.

  Afghanistan at one time, and not that long ago, was a very progressive place, women went to college, got a degree. Now they wear burkas. Islamic fundamentalism decided women should not be educated, seen, vote, get the point?

Israel had nothing to do with that. They believe women had equal rights to education, responsibility, and to achieve all they could. Sounds pretty much like what we used to believe when this country held women in a higher regard. Ask yourself, where is a women in the Mideast treated as an equal? The only country in the Mideast is Israel.

I understand, you blame Israel for the fact that Iran has for years waged terrorist war against them. Many liberals in this country do the same. Have you ever thought Israel has a right to exist? Israel has retaliated in force every time it has come under attack. I would hope our own country would do the same. Do you? Does Israel have the right to defend itself?

Quote from: Possum on June 13, 2025, 06:51:07 PM...
I understand, you blame Israel for the fact that Iran has for years waged terrorist war against them. Many liberals in this country do the same. Have you ever thought Israel has a right to exist? Israel has retaliated in force every time it has come under attack. I would hope our own country would do the same. Do you? Does Israel have the right to defend itself?

I NEVER put white hats on the Palestinians in this fight. I am not sure if there are such people as Palestinians. Maybe yes maybe no.It is possible for both sides to wear black hats in this fight.  . It is possible for two bad tribes to fight each other.

I knew all the stuff abut women and have no love for Islam. Years ago I saw or heard an Afghan woman describing how she was in medical school in the good days, when the Soviets were there. Then the US helped push them out and now she is forced to wear some bag/burka/hijab over her head and not work. I felt kinda sick as I wondered if the Soviets were the good guys and we were the bad guys.

I read Soldiers of God by Robert D. Kaplan. He embedded with the mujahedin fighting the Soviets. The women were regarded as filthy and unclean. better to have sex with a boy. He said he only knew there was a woman in the house because the food was better.

IMO Islam is better to the extent it is not followed.

I stopped following Israel after Bill Clinton put together a two state solution that Yassir Arafat rejected. Moderate Palestinian politicians were  killed.  Decades passed.. I did not pay attention.

I chose not to dig int this. Not enough time. It seems that the current Israelis go out of their way to humiliate and oppress Palestinians. I got a telegram post of an IDF soldier taking a chainsaw to an olive tree in the west bank. The owner was crying out about his olives. IMO the Israelis acted like A-holes when they did not have to. Netanyahu and his party support Hamas as both do not want a two state solution.

Quote from: patentlymn on June 13, 2025, 08:09:28 PMI NEVER put white hats on the Palestinians in this fight. I am not sure if there are such people as Palestinians. Maybe yes maybe no.It is possible for both sides to wear black hats in this fight.  . It is possible for two bad tribes to fight each other.

I knew all the stuff abut women and have no love for Islam. Years ago I saw or heard an Afghan woman describing how she was in medical school in the good days, when the Soviets were there. Then the US helped push them out and now she is forced to wear some bag/burka/hijab over her head and not work. I felt kinda sick as I wondered if the Soviets were the good guys and we were the bad guys.

I read Soldiers of God by Robert D. Kaplan. He embedded with the mujahedin fighting the Soviets. The women were regarded as filthy and unclean. better to have sex with a boy. He said he only knew there was a woman in the house because the food was better.

IMO Islam is better to the extent it is not followed.

I stopped following Israel after Bill Clinton put together a two state solution that Yassir Arafat rejected. Moderate Palestinian politicians were  killed.  Decades passed.. I did not pay attention.

I chose not to dig int this. Not enough time. It seems that the current Israelis go out of their way to humiliate and oppress Palestinians. I got a telegram post of an IDF soldier taking a chainsaw to an olive tree in the west bank. The owner was crying out about his olives. IMO the Israelis acted like A-holes when they did not have to. Netanyahu and his party support Hamas as both do not want a two state solution.

The palestinians are a real people, been around from biblical times. They have been offered their own state several times, they turned it down. No other country wants them. When they choose their own government, they choose terrorist. They harbor terrorist. Their hate for the jews is greater than their love for their own children. They do not want peace, they want Israel dead. If our neighbor to the south acted this way we would use our military to get rid of the threat also.   

Quote from: Possum on Today at 04:33:36 AMThe palestinians are a real people, been around from biblical times. They have been offered their own state several times, they turned it down. No other country wants them. When they choose their own government, they choose terrorist. They harbor terrorist. Their hate for the jews is greater than their love for their own children. They do not want peace, they want Israel dead. If our neighbor to the south acted this way we would use our military to get rid of the threat also.   

You are correct about everything, except Palestinian real history. It's a fascinating story, one few even know about.
DNA has proven they're nothing more than Arabs. History has exposed that they were the offspring of the banished to the land of Israel, a land no one wanted, but Israelis, who paid cash for the land, a land they already owned.
The other people in Palestine, (all Of The Middle East) wanted nothing to do with beggars, thieves, and nomads, in essence Gypsies.

These people were the dregs of society and were later used as pawns in International affairs. A timeline of their history proves that the entirety of the Arab world still rejects them, which is why no one wanted to take them in when Israel was attacking Iran's proxy force.

I think the only way peace will ever come to the M/E is if Christianity gains a stronghold.

Quote from: Solar on Today at 04:49:47 AMYou are correct about everything, except Palestinian real history. It's a fascinating story, one few even know about.
DNA has proven they're nothing more than Arabs. History has exposed that they were the offspring of the banished to the land of Israel, a land no one wanted, but Israelis, who paid cash for the land, a land they already owned.
The other people in Palestine, (all Of The Middle East) wanted nothing to do with beggars, thieves, and nomads, in essence Gypsies.

These people were the dregs of society and were later used as pawns in International affairs. A timeline of their history proves that the entirety of the Arab world still rejects them, which is why no one wanted to take them in when Israel was attacking Iran's proxy force.

I think the only way peace will ever come to the M/E is if Christianity gains a stronghold.

They are a society that has changed little if at all over generations. The ones from biblical times would fit right in with their hatred today. Iran will supply them with arms to kill jews, other than that even Iran, with all it's evil wants nothing to do with them.

There has been some talk about splitting up the people to make it much harder for them to support terrorism. I wonder if that will still be on the table and where would they go?

Quote from: Possum on Today at 05:22:40 AMThey are a society that has changed little if at all over generations. The ones from biblical times would fit right in with their hatred today. Iran will supply them with arms to kill jews, other than that even Iran, with all it's evil wants nothing to do with them.

There has been some talk about splitting up the people to make it much harder for them to support terrorism. I wonder if that will still be on the table and where would they go?

Bingo! They're nothing but pawns and always will be unless drastic changes take effect, like killing off I-slum.
That's the thing, no one wants them, they're seen as inner city ghetto dwellers with zero ambition. The literal dregs of society.
Just like here in the US.