I've been following this phenomena for the last year, thinking the CCP would crack down, but it's bigger than the party.
The corruption is unbelievable, from military corruption to payoffs within the party.
Just recently thousands of missiles were fueled, problem is, the fuel was replaced with water, the actual fuel was sold to those in dire need of heating and cooking fuel.

I could go on with pages of reports such as this, thousands of incidents where the workers are taking from the CCP to help the people.
Right now, many have not been paid back wages some as long as a year, infrastructure in crumbling and there's nothing that can stop it outside of civil war, or commie crackdown.

Here's just one video out of thousands exposing the anger of the people.

Wild ass guess, the CCP would have already collapsed had Trump not been cheated out of office. Biden did more for them than his own country, and even that was not enough.

Quote from: Possum on February 06, 2024, 06:13:42 AMWild ass guess, the CCP would have already collapsed had Trump not been cheated out of office. Biden did more for them than his own country, and even that was not enough.

I hadn't thought about it, but I bet you're right.

In my view, the CCP has such a stranglehold on China that it will not collapse. Their economy is so much stronger than Russia's was at the time of the demise of the Soviet Union. That being said, I do believe China could experience a slow but sure demise as the economy slows and they continue to spend on the military. The West, with the USA leading, could speed up the demise if western countries would restrain their dependence on Chinese products and services. The USA could lead this by going full bore on domestic energy production.

Quote from: supsalemgr on February 06, 2024, 10:46:03 AMIn my view, the CCP has such a stranglehold on China that it will not collapse. Their economy is so much stronger than Russia's was at the time of the demise of the Soviet Union. That being said, I do believe China could experience a slow but sure demise as the economy slows and they continue to spend on the military. The West, with the USA leading, could speed up the demise if western countries would restrain their dependence on Chinese products and services. The USA could lead this by going full bore on domestic energy production.

I believe the real threat is from the people. With no pay, no housing, people tend to have little to live for, so they are more apt to revolt.
I don't think the CCP will simply implode, it will be forces beyond their control who will bring them down.

Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2024, 04:30:01 PMI believe the real threat is from the people. With no pay, no housing, people tend to have little to live for, so they are more apt to revolt.
I don't think the CCP will simply implode, it will be forces beyond their control who will bring them down.

I agree the people are key. However, it will be ugly as the CCP will not go quietly.

Quote from: supsalemgr on February 07, 2024, 04:46:35 AMI agree the people are key. However, it will be ugly as the CCP will not go quietly.

Agree.
Tiananmen square is proof of the horror these commies are willing to inflict upon their own people to retain power.
But that was pre-internet when the party pulled troops from the far East who knew nothing of the cause of the uprising.
Now China has the worlds collective eyes watching it.

There's a slight possibility of the party ceding parts of the country in order to consolidate power.
If the CCP try and take Taiwan, that will be the beginning of their demise.
Taiwan has their guns locked on the three Gorges Dam and the people know it, so if the CCP sacrifices millions in an effort to expand the power base, they will be booted from power and punished over it.

This why Taiwan has not been touched, the CCP uses it as a one time use weapon against the West, but brandishing it costs nothing.

Anyone want to put a date to CCP's Collapse?
Something has to give and I doubt the people will win, so expect to see a return to full communism.
Sure, there are other possibilities, but you can never vote your way out of communism.

Chinese call it Tofu Dregg Construction. Cheap shoddy work, kickbacks and bribes are a part of doing business in China.

The only way a revolt could be successful is if the folks rise up and by a remote chance the military joins them.

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 04, 2024, 04:57:28 AMThe only way a revolt could be successful is if the folks rise up and by a remote chance the military joins them.

Agree.
Problem is, like the Tiananmen uprising, they brought troops in from the East, totally cut off from communication to stop what they were told was a violent insurgency that needed to be put down.
Hopefully the next one will be a bit better planned.

Rumors Of martial Law, To Xi purposefully Destroying The Communist Party?
I think it's simple incompetence....