I am having a bit of trouble with a question about PTSD....
Can a person in the military, who never saw combat, only did training excersises in airborne division, graduated,,,and again "never"saw any action of any kind   , but ah-ha..... was in a copter being transported , upon landing the thing tran out of gas, hence copter just fell, no explosions, no one hurt, nothin zip zadda, well cept the copter got banged up....is this cause for possible full blown PTSD?
Does anyone know if this is possible?
In my mind----errrrummmm not so much.... and if I am wrong, do by all means, tell me,,,K?

Truth is, we are a coddled Nation, and everyone seems to believe they are a victim.
I would suggest a swift kick in his ass, and a bat upside the shrink that babied him.

We all have trauma in our lives, what doesn't kill you, only makes you stronger, he chose to let it kill him with a slow death.

I could see gettin ptsd from some serious ya really dont wanna know situations in the military. God knows what some go thru is above n over the charts on any wave lenght... But this....,,,nah..... thank you for answering me... it's driving 3 of us nuts, the real bs of it all......
Thanks Solar...
Elfie

Quote from: Elfie on December 10, 2010, 09:29:46 AM
I could see gettin ptsd from some serious ya really dont wanna know situations in the military. God knows what some go thru is above n over the charts on any wave lenght... But this....,,,nah..... thank you for answering me... it's driving 3 of us nuts, the real bs of it all......
Thanks Solar...
Elfie

I didn't mean to demean those that are truly deserving of the classification, God knows, people do bad things to people in war.
I knew a woman that had a car wreck that claimed PTSD, and she wasn't even injured.

Quote from: Solar on December 10, 2010, 10:00:05 AM
I didn't mean to demean those that are truly deserving of the classification, God knows, people do bad things to people in war.
I knew a woman that had a car wreck that claimed PTSD, and she wasn't even injured.

Me neither.... oh have mercy no... I didnt think you did either.  I just  needed to understand how something sooooooooo small for lack of a better word could be justified... so far you and I are on the same  page...
we got some good brains in here,,, is why I even threw it out here..... it's very embarrassing to have to deal with actually this thing.  But here,,, theres  the not need to be slammed for even askin such a thing... n sometimes I just gotta,lol.

Here's my story tours in Nam all on a destroyer doing support fire, nary a scratch on me. On my way back from the shooting line we are doing joint ops. with the Canadians and the Canadian aircraft carrier rams us and cuts us in half. The aft half stays afloat and is roped to the side of the carrier. My half is turned upside down and sinks in less then two minutes I am one of five survivors of the front half. We lost 72 men most of whom I new very well and some of them were my best friends, I knew their families. My first two wives said I should see a doctor because of anger issues. My third wife who we have been married 20 years say I'm the best thing that ever happened to her. When I see the boys coming back from Afghanistan and those in Iran coming back all torn to pieces mentally and physically and all I have is an anger problem and it's usually only with our government, I can't quite make it down to the VA. A friend of mine who was a door gunner on a huey in Nam, a boots on the ground type has PDSD and he had to fight the VA for ten years to get them two recognise his problem. I don't need the hassle and have pretty well got things under control now. Could I have PDSD, I never saw the enemy, we were shooting three miles inshore. Anyone interested try looking up the Frank E Evans DD754

thank you.... for doing this tell I mean.    For me this whacked out way I think of it is,,ok,,copter fell on a landing cuz it ran out of gas...ranks right up there with car hit a pole.  No fuss no muss in the states comin back from a drop zone training mission just does not give cause to full blown PTSD..
My Dad always said we had to adapt and over come. Seems you did that and are doing that.  After readfing what you wrote...I think I may have my thinking on the right track...
Much appreciated.... much much so.

Quote from: Elfie on December 10, 2010, 03:39:25 PM
thank you.... for doing this tell I mean.    For me this whacked out way I think of it is,,ok,,copter fell on a landing cuz it ran out of gas...ranks right up there with car hit a pole.  No fuss no muss in the states comin back from a drop zone training mission just does not give cause to full blown PTSD..
My Dad always said we had to adapt and over come. Seems you did that and are doing that.  After readfing what you wrote...I think I may have my thinking on the right track...
Much appreciated.... much much so.

We were flying a mission over the Korean DMZ, the pilot strayed over the line into NK, anyway we think so, and got shot at and took some damage, we had a very hard emergency landing.
I am now a disabled vet because of it, but I found the incident exhilarating, never had ant nightmares over it, though I still freak out when the civil Defense sirens go off in the city. :o ;D

Quote from: offgridbob on December 10, 2010, 03:01:40 PM
Here's my story tours in Nam all on a destroyer doing support fire, nary a scratch on me. On my way back from the shooting line we are doing joint ops. with the Canadians and the Canadian aircraft carrier rams us and cuts us in half. The aft half stays afloat and is roped to the side of the carrier. My half is turned upside down and sinks in less then two minutes I am one of five survivors of the front half. We lost 72 men most of whom I new very well and some of them were my best friends, I knew their families. My first two wives said I should see a doctor because of anger issues. My third wife who we have been married 20 years say I'm the best thing that ever happened to her. When I see the boys coming back from Afghanistan and those in Iran coming back all torn to pieces mentally and physically and all I have is an anger problem and it's usually only with our government, I can't quite make it down to the VA. A friend of mine who was a door gunner on a huey in Nam, a boots on the ground type has PDSD and he had to fight the VA for ten years to get them two recognise his problem. I don't need the hassle and have pretty well got things under control now. Could I have PDSD, I never saw the enemy, we were shooting three miles inshore. Anyone interested try looking up the Frank E Evans DD754

Fascinating piece of history Bob, thanks for sharing, and truly sorry for the loss of your buddies.
Best friends I ever had in my life, were in the Army in Korea.

          PTSD can happen outside the military. It has more to do with perception of an event than what the event actually is. Not a doctor here, but phobias might be a similar condition. Unfortunately, too many see it as "The Easier Path" and exploit the system.

Quote from: Eyesabide on December 14, 2010, 01:16:31 PM
          PTSD can happen outside the military. It has more to do with perception of an event than what the event actually is. Not a doctor here, but phobias might be a similar condition. Unfortunately, too many see it as "The Easier Path" and exploit the system.

You're right on the money, Eyes, in my humble (?) opinion. In these victim-ridden times, everybody has a "syndrome" or a "disorder" to explain away what used to be recognized as bad or stupid behavior. I once fell off a ladder and broke two bones in my left arm, but I didn't develop PTSD. I was a child abuse victim, but I got through it without developing PTSD or any other clinically-defined handicap.

I'm not saying that PTSD and other (largely mental) conditions don't exist. I'm saying they're VASTLY overused to describe behavior that for some reason we don't want to call out as bad any more. It's to the point that I think the first two letters of the obligatory alphabetic designation for such things should be "PC." Thus in the case of post-traumatic stress disorder it would be "PCPTSD," and would reflect the reality that most so diagnosed are beneficiaries of our idiotic devotion to political correctness.

A few years ago I went to my first frank e Evans reunion. I wanted to see how the others were. The four that survived the front half with me were still pretty much OK with the exception of one. He wanted to be the center of attention, he wanted people to feel sorry for him because he was an alcoholic and he blamed the collision for it. I remember him well. Before the accident he always had a small man complex and he was an alcoholic from the get go. I learned a number of things from that reunion. #1 being from the Pacific northwest, I detested the humidity of south Carolina. #2 It was a good time for me to let go of all the emotion I didn't even know I was carrying. #3 South Carolina has some neat hunting and fishing stores. So I guess it wasn't a total waist of time. Oh Oh #4 My wife and I got to go on another destroyer just like the Evans and go down below the mess decks where I was berthed when it happened. It looked a lot smaller then I had remembered and my wife started crying when she got down there and saw where my bunk was, Women,go figure.

Quote from: offgridbob on December 15, 2010, 07:10:53 PM
A few years ago I went to my first frank e Evans reunion. I wanted to see how the others were. The four that survived the front half with me were still pretty much OK with the exception of one. He wanted to be the center of attention, he wanted people to feel sorry for him because he was an alcoholic and he blamed the collision for it. I remember him well. Before the accident he always had a small man complex and he was an alcoholic from the get go. I learned a number of things from that reunion. #1 being from the Pacific northwest, I detested the humidity of south Carolina. #2 It was a good time for me to let go of all the emotion I didn't even know I was carrying. #3 South Carolina has some neat hunting and fishing stores. So I guess it wasn't a total waist of time. Oh Oh #4 My wife and I got to go on another destroyer just like the Evans and go down below the mess decks where I was berthed when it happened. It looked a lot smaller then I had remembered and my wife started crying when she got down there and saw where my bunk was, Women,go figure.

I know Solar has given up trying to figure out why some things will make me cry...for what seems as no apparent reason.  :)

Quote from: Solars Toy on December 15, 2010, 07:16:19 PM
I know Solar has given up trying to figure out why some things will make me cry...for what seems as no apparent reason.  :)

In all my years I have found there does not have to be a reason.  When it time it time.  Do I understand?  NO  But I do remember it starting the day I was born.  I find one or two bad words, work for me.   ;D