So I had my follow up visit with my doctor and everything is healing nicely.  I start "aggressive" physical therapy today to work on strength and range of motion....but I digress from this topic.

During the visit it was brought up some of the things I have done while testing the limits of what I can do.  This is of course totally different from what I will do.  Anyway Solar mentioned that as he caught me doing some of these things that he went ahead and let me do them so I could learn from what would eventually be the accompanying pain.  Solar commented that men learn from their pain.  And my doctor commented that women don't learn from pain using childbirth as his example.

After thinking about it and discussing it with one of my sisters we did come to the conclusion that women do work "through" the pain.  Maybe somehow we are conditioned to do so or maybe God gave us this ability knowing what childbirth would be.  What do you think?  Are women are more apt to work through the pain? 

Is our nature to be the caretaker of the family (cooking, cleaning, taking care of sick family members even when we are sick) part of who we are or is it something passed from generation to generation?  Is it cultural or genetic?  Toy

Well, well, well....I knew this topic might come up as it has on other forums so here it goes.......

Several years ago I was suffering from my first and only bout with kidney stones(may they never come back) and because I was out of town at the time and I didn't know what the heck was going on I called the 911. The young woman EMT that showed up with the ambulance took some vitals and said (before transporting me to the hospital) "congradulations" I replied WTF! She went on to say that I was getting ready to give birth to two kidney stones and that she had given birth to 'stones' and a couple of children and that she would rather give birth to babies as it is much easier.....

So menfolk everywhere....when a woman pulls out that card during an arguement that we menfolk don't know the pain of childbirth we now can say.......YES WE DO! As witnessed by a woman herself. LOL!

Glad you are feeling better Toy..........

Quote from: Solars Toy on April 26, 2012, 08:08:47 AM
So I had my follow up visit with my doctor and everything is healing nicely.  I start "aggressive" physical therapy today to work on strength and range of motion....but I digress from this topic.

During the visit it was brought up some of the things I have done while testing the limits of what I can do.  This is of course totally different from what I will do.  Anyway Solar mentioned that as he caught me doing some of these things that he went ahead and let me do them so I could learn from what would eventually be the accompanying pain.  Solar commented that men learn from their pain.  And my doctor commented that women don't learn from pain using childbirth as his example.

After thinking about it and discussing it with one of my sisters we did come to the conclusion that women do work "through" the pain.  Maybe somehow we are conditioned to do so or maybe God gave us this ability knowing what childbirth would be.  What do you think?  Are women are more apt to work through the pain? 

Is our nature to be the caretaker of the family (cooking, cleaning, taking care of sick family members even when we are sick) part of who we are or is it something passed from generation to generation?  Is it cultural or genetic?  Toy

I myself see it passed from generation to generation.   As hokiewoodchuck has said you don't know pain until you had kidney stones.  lol   Over the six generations that I have seen in my life time I see both men and woman that whine about everything. I think kids learn in this day and age what complaining will get them and it follows them through adulthood.  Most pain for me can be block or controlled so it not a problem for me 95+% of the time.  You learn pain at a very young age.  You learn to control it or it controls you through your life.  I see pain as a learning tool myself. 

Every one deals with pain differently.... I think it is tolerance more then anything... Himself has a very high tolerance to pain, one of my brothers and my Dad have the ability of dropping their blood pressure to over ride it all. Some of us are taught to deal with it and move on,,,others are taught to whine n cry and do nothing when they are in pain. some handle chronic pain way better then some others,,,instant pain...I tend to sound like a roofer for a minute then just deal with it... Having never had kids or kidney stones..wellllllll,;) I'll just take your words for it,lol

Quote from: Elfie on April 26, 2012, 09:37:39 AM
Every one deals with pain differently.... I think it is tolerance more then anything... Himself has a very high tolerance to pain, one of my brothers and my Dad have the ability of dropping their blood pressure to over ride it all. Some of us are taught to deal with it and move on,,,others are taught to whine n cry and do nothing when they are in pain. some handle chronic pain way better then some others,,,instant pain...I tend to sound like a roofer for a minute then just deal with it... Having never had kids or kidney stones..wellllllll,;) I'll just take your words for it,lol

It makes my doctors mad when I do that.    LOL   

Quote from: Elfie on April 26, 2012, 09:37:39 AM
Every one deals with pain differently.... I think it is tolerance more then anything... Himself has a very high tolerance to pain, one of my brothers and my Dad have the ability of dropping their blood pressure to over ride it all. Some of us are taught to deal with it and move on,,,others are taught to whine n cry and do nothing when they are in pain. some handle chronic pain way better then some others,,,instant pain...I tend to sound like a roofer for a minute then just deal with it... Having never had kids or kidney stones..wellllllll,;) I'll just take your words for it,lol

I had an extremely bad motorcycle wreck in 1978, broken back, partial paralysis, internal injuries, and 3rd degree burns.
This was where the idea that you should scream to let the pain out, which completely went against my nature.
The most pain came from the burns healing, you go through weeks of every 4 hours a nurse comes in and removes the bandages and peels away the tissue that had dried, then reapplies saline soaked bandages (salt on the wound) and the cycle repeats every four.
They had taken a large piece of skin off my ass to use as a graft, but before the doc could apply it, the area had to be treated one more time.
It was my 7th week and they placed me in a tub, and he started scrubbing on the burn furiously, all I did was grimace, he said scream, call me every thing you can think of.
I simply couldn't, its not who I am.

I often wonder if they are still doing it that way, or abandoned the idea as more psychiatric voo doo?

Quote from: Solar on April 26, 2012, 02:02:56 PM


I often wonder if they are still doing it that way, or abandoned the idea as more psychiatric voo doo?

They still do it. It's really messed up when children are burn victims. I know of several health care providers who quit because they couldn't bear to hear the kids scream.

Quote from: Solars Toy on April 26, 2012, 08:08:47 AM
What do you think?  Are women are more apt to work through the pain? 

Is our nature to be the caretaker of the family (cooking, cleaning, taking care of sick family members even when we are sick) part of who we are or is it something passed from generation to generation?  Is it cultural or genetic?  Toy

Glad you are feeling better. Take it easy for a bit. Pain is your body telling you that something is wrong. Let the healing process work for awhile until you start pushing yourself.

Personally, I think the reaction to pain is a learned trait. We all have different reactions to the same amount of discomfort. When I was in the military, we always "gutted it out". We took Motrin and drove on. Yeah, I'm feeling the effects of that attitude today, but I still tend to suck it up and ignore it until it gets too bad. 

Quote from: Ford289HiPo on April 26, 2012, 08:39:18 PM
They still do it. It's really messed up when children are burn victims. I know of several health care providers who quit because they couldn't bear to hear the kids scream.

It was a cbit of a shock when they first moved me to the burn unit and I heard an 80+ year old woman telling the nurses to "leave me the fuck alone, get the fuck away".
The nurse said you'll get used to and in no time will be cussing us all out.
What do you tell a 7 year old child?

I don't know if you remember the big Ford pick up lawsuit where Ford had to relocate their fuel entry.
But the guy that brought the lawsuit was one of my room mates, his whole body was ravaged with 90% burns, surprising he made it.
But it was watching him deal with the pain that helped me learn hypnosis, the docs taught it to me so I too could pass the time. better than drugs.

Quote from: Ford289HiPo on April 26, 2012, 08:45:23 PM
Glad you are feeling better. Take it easy for a bit. Pain is your body telling you that something is wrong. Let the healing process work for awhile until you start pushing yourself.

Personally, I think the reaction to pain is a learned trait. We all have different reactions to the same amount of discomfort. When I was in the military, we always "gutted it out". We took Motrin and drove on. Yeah, I'm feeling the effects of that attitude today, but I still tend to suck it up and ignore it until it gets too bad. 

Thanks Ford...  I think a lot f things in my background instilled in me that unless you require stitches or are unconscious you just keep moving forward.  My father, a brick mason, had fallen through some scaffolding about 3-4 stories down, landed in the crossbars, climbed down, and then asked his coworker for some aspirin.  His co-worker insisted they go to emergency to get checked out.  He had broken a total of 7 ribs.  Less than 3 months later he was back laying brick wearing the brace they had given him.  This is just one of the examples set for me by my dad... Toy

Although I might cause it, I am usually on the recieving end of elfies pain. It hurts.

Quote from: Eyesabide on April 30, 2012, 06:16:12 PM
Although I might cause it, I am usually on the recieving end of elfies pain. It hurts.

                   

Quote from: Eyesabide on April 30, 2012, 06:16:12 PM
Although I might cause it, I am usually on the recieving end of elfies pain. It hurts.

...And here it comes.