Between the Wuhan virus nonsense, the election fraud, the collusion fraud, the impeachment fraud, the SCOTUS nomination frauds and the various frame jobs that the DNC has perpetuated, I have to wonder what will happen to the MSM? Certainly, they have proven over and over again that they cannot be trusted, they are overtly biased and will report ANYTHING so long as it supports their leftist agenda. Facts, truth and evidence have gone the way of the dinosaur as far as the media is concerned. Ratings have plummeted as the FOX Network can attest. People are tired of the propaganda that the MSM seems to perpetuate. Will there be a rebirth of actual news? Will the MSM fade into the sunset? Will new "news outlets" spring up?
Quote from: RV on November 30, 2020, 09:01:35 AM
Between the Wuhan virus nonsense, the election fraud, the collusion fraud, the impeachment fraud, the SCOTUS nomination frauds and the various frame jobs that the DNC has perpetuated, I have to wonder what will happen to the MSM? Certainly, they have proven over and over again that they cannot be trusted, they are overtly biased and will report ANYTHING so long as it supports their leftist agenda. Facts, truth and evidence have gone the way of the dinosaur as far as the media is concerned. Ratings have plummeted as the FOX Network can attest. People are tired of the propaganda that the MSM seems to perpetuate. Will there be a rebirth of actual news? Will the MSM fade into the sunset? Will new "news outlets" spring up?
To be honest, the msm just is not that big anymore. The three cable news average about 10 million viewers, the "big" three networks add about 31 million. And those ratings are up over last year! I take a different reason for the news being up in ratings over a year ago, my reason is there is nothing worthwhile on the idiot box to watch. Don't know if it could be said that the internet is pulling away from the msm, or is the msm driving people towards the internet with their bias reporting, but people are going elsewhere for their news from years ago. The articles below are biased beyond belief and do not take one very important reason for this years uptick in numbers, people are not going out as much because of the virus. Take that away and I bet their downward numbers will continue.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-nfl-nba-6950bf4d6eb51c04ba5fa23e793a3eb2
https://www.poynter.org/newsletters/2020/america-is-watching-the-evening-news-again-tv-news-numbers-are-up-way-up/
Neither article is up to date, but recent enough. The msm has about as much pull as the dead democrat party does.
Quote from: Possum on December 01, 2020, 04:07:24 AM
To be honest, the msm just is not that big anymore. The three cable news average about 10 million viewers, the "big" three networks add about 31 million. And those ratings are up over last year! I take a different reason for the news being up in ratings over a year ago, my reason is there is nothing worthwhile on the idiot box to watch. Don't know if it could be said that the internet is pulling away from the msm, or is the msm driving people towards the internet with their bias reporting, but people are going elsewhere for their news from years ago. The articles below are biased beyond belief and do not take one very important reason for this years uptick in numbers, people are not going out as much because of the virus. Take that away and I bet their downward numbers will continue.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-nfl-nba-6950bf4d6eb51c04ba5fa23e793a3eb2
https://www.poynter.org/newsletters/2020/america-is-watching-the-evening-news-again-tv-news-numbers-are-up-way-up/
Neither article is up to date, but recent enough. The msm has about as much pull as the dead democrat party does.
Maybe not however, I see many people who have swallowed the lie, hook, line and sinker, wearing a mask even though the "science" that the left keeps screaming about does NOT support that. I see many businesses close even though it is against the "science" and I see people who are all alone wearing masks. The "science" says that kids are not apt to contract the virus and if they do, they won't give it to adults AND children do not normally get very ill unless they have some underlying condition yet, Democrats have scared the wits out of people so that schools are closed. If people are not listening to the MSM, why then are they doing exactly what the MSM keeps pushing?
Quote from: RV on December 03, 2020, 02:07:25 PM
Maybe not however, I see many people who have swallowed the lie, hook, line and sinker, wearing a mask even though the "science" that the left keeps screaming about does NOT support that. I see many businesses close even though it is against the "science" and I see people who are all alone wearing masks. The "science" says that kids are not apt to contract the virus and if they do, they won't give it to adults AND children do not normally get very ill unless they have some underlying condition yet, Democrats have scared the wits out of people so that schools are closed. If people are not listening to the MSM, why then are they doing exactly what the MSM keeps pushing?
It is not the msm who are implementing these mandates, it is mayors and governors. Why are people following them, in many places you can be fined or receive jail time. I do not think people are complying because the msm has convinced them it is in their best heath to do so. there are your nuts out there who are convinced, you know the type, they wear tin foil hats, but the majority are not that stupid.
The agenda of the msm is the same as the cosmetics industry, the auto industry, insurance companies and any other industry. It is to make money. The newspaper industry was dying until, then- candidate, Trump came down the escalator. He single -handedly saved the mainstream media. In return, they made his nomination and election seem inevitable because he sold papers, news magazines and TV news ratings. Demonizing him only boosted profits. The same has worked for Limbaugh, Hannity, Tucker etc. They are in this to make money. If you think they actually give a darn about politics, you are niave.
Now, you will have President Biden. Now, all you will hear in the editorial rooms is crickets. I'm sure Limbaugh, Hannity, and Tucker etc. will be able to squeeze some money out of the loyalists for a while but the only real consequence of his election will be boredom.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 06:55:43 AM
The agenda of the msm is the same as the cosmetics industry, the auto industry, insurance companies and any other industry. It is to make money. The newspaper industry was dying until, then- candidate, Trump came down the escalator. He single -handedly saved the mainstream media. In return, they made his nomination and election seem inevitable because he sold papers, news magazines and TV news ratings. Demonizing him only boosted profits. The same has worked for Limbaugh, Hannity, Tucker etc. They are in this to make money. If you think they actually give a darn about politics, you are niave.
Now, you will have President Biden. Now, all you will hear in the editorial rooms is crickets. I'm sure Limbaugh, Hannity, and Tucker etc. will be able to squeeze some money out of the loyalists for a while but the only real consequence of his election will be boredom.
Nope, most American media runs a deficit, and if not for their backers, would collapse overnight.
These companies are a write off for their bigger corporations. That's the simple explanation. Maybe we need to change the law that keeps them afloat.
Using them as a tax write off is the same as making money. You can't tell me their first priority isn't to sell advertising.
American journalists on the other hand, do have a decidedly anti-Trump bias but not just because they are left wing. The people who oppose the President mostly do so because they believe him to be incompetant and a buffoon. At a summit a few years ago, he actually physically shoved the President of a US ally aside so he (President Trump) would be in front. In an address to the UN, people laughed at him. That has never happened before. A President of the United States is always respected at the UN but President Trump failed to earn that respect. At a G7 meeting, Macron, and Johnson were discussing President Trump's bizzare behaviour with two other leaders and their expressions showed they were scratching thier heads in bewilderment. That is why the journalists do not respect him. American journalists are embarassed by him.
Getting the vaccine in record time and having the economy surging ahead, has not been enough to overcome his shortcomings. He will not be remembered for his successes. It will be his tweets, his pratfalls and his bullying that will be his legacy. That is the tragedy.
"The evil that men do lives after them.
The good is oft interred with their bones.
So let it be with Caesar."
Julius Caesar Act 3 Scene 2
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 09:06:59 AM
Using them as a tax write off is the same as making money. You can't tell me their first priority isn't to sell advertising.
No, these networks are all owned by even bigger corporate entities, like Disney, so they have a write off when they can't pull a profit.
Yes, the left uses our laws against us now that they've destroyed our culture and shaming them no longer carries the stigma it once did.
QuoteAmerican journalists on the other hand, do have a decidedly anti-Trump bias but not just because they are left wing. The people who oppose the President mostly do so because they believe him to be incompetant and a buffoon. At a summit a few years ago, he actually physically shoved the President of a US ally aside so he (President Trump) would be in front. In an address to the UN, people laughed at him. That has never happened before. A President of the United States is always respected at the UN but President Trump failed to earn that respect. At a G7 meeting, Macron, and Johnson were discussing President Trump's bizzare behaviour with two other leaders and their expressions showed they were scratching thier heads in bewilderment. That is why the journalists do not respect him. American journalists are embarassed by him.
Getting the vaccine in record time and having the economy surging ahead, has not been enough to overcome his shortcomings. He will not be remembered for his successes. It will be his tweets, his pratfalls and his bullying that will be his legacy. That is the tragedy.
"The evil that men do lives after them.
The good is oft interred with their bones.
So let it be with Caesar."
Julius Caesar Act 3 Scene 2
Essentially Pure BS! What you see, this is a carefully crafted narrative designed to destroy Trump on the world stage.
Just look at what Trump accomplished in spite of the Marxists in the DNC, not to mention peace in the M/E and never having started a war.
Trump is killing off the communist globally and that has brought out the worst in the left. Can you imagine if a leftist was able to pull off what Trump has? They'd want the church to make him a Saint.
Trump Shoves Prime Minister of Montenegro at NATO Meeting May 25, 2017 on you Tube
United Nations Laughs At President Trump's Claim Sept. 25, 2018 on You Tube
Watch Trudeau, Macron and Johnson appear to gossip about Trump on hot mic Dec. 4 2019 on CNBC
I agree, the President has avoided war and is making progress in the ME. Unfortunately, he is more likely to be remembered for his less than Presidential actions, his frequent divergence from the truth and the appearance of being a sore loser.
If he were to have a second term, the concern is that the emergence of China as the dominent power in the world would be accelerated in a vaccuum left by a crippled US. Remember, real politique trumps ideologyl. Blaming the media is ignoring the real problem. President Trump brought it all on himself. Google the links I've provided above. It is that kind of adolecent behaviour that is overshadowing the good he has done. The media did not fake his ill advised behaviour but it sells news papers.
He should have stayed in marketing. People may not have liked him but he would not be the laughing stock of the world.
He was good for Canada, though. In the NAFTA.2 negotiations, Freeland played him like a fiddle.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 10:43:30 AM
Trump Shoves Prime Minister of Montenegro at NATO Meeting May 25, 2017 on you Tube
United Nations Laughs At President Trump's Claim Sept. 25, 2018 on You Tube
Watch Trudeau, Macron and Johnson appear to gossip about Trump on hot mic Dec. 4 2019 on CNBC
QuoteI agree, the President has avoided war and is making progress in the ME. Unfortunately, he is more likely to be remembered for his less than Presidential actions, his frequent divergence from the truth and the appearance of being a sore loser.
Victors write the history books. The left lost the war.
QuoteIf he were to have a second term, the concern is that the emergence of China as the dominent power in the world would be accelerated in a vaccuum left by a crippled US. Remember, real politique trumps ideologyl. Blaming the media is ignoring the real problem. President Trump brought it all on himself. Google the links I've provided above. It is that kind of adolecent behaviour that is overshadowing the good he has done. The media did not fake his ill advised behaviour but it sells news papers.
He should have stayed in marketing. People may not have liked him but he would not be the laughing stock of the world.
He was good for Canada, though. In the NAFTA.2 negotiations, Freeland played him like a fiddle.
The image you're being is presented in a negative light and edited for full impact. Remember, goog is not your friend.
As to reality, the base loves his actions, he gets in the enemy's face and is relentless, and that's why they paint his as un-presidential, because they are not used to someone standing up for Patriots, people who still believe in the Republic.
I still say, whenever President Trump leaves office, the media will suffer. He has been good copy. His name has been in every CBC broadcast since he entered the Primaries except when the Covid 19 pandemic overtook everything else, and even then, when the President isn't at least mentioned, it is a rare day. People just can't look away. Now that is marketing. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 11:06:45 AM
I still say, whenever President Trump leaves office, the media will suffer. He has been good copy. His name has been in every CBC broadcast since he entered the Primaries except when the Covid 19 pandemic overtook everything else, and even then, when the President isn't at least mentioned, it is a rare day. People just can't look away. Now that is marketing. :thumbsup:
That is the stupidest thing I have heard any fool say today. Trump is on the MSM screens minimally. Hiden Biden and Cameltoe Harass are there every few minutes.
Now, not acting Presidential, since you regurgitated that. We Don't Want a Politician running this beloved country. We surely don't want Biden/Harass. And I think Cameltoe knows she is destined to be back in the Senate, since she never relinquished her seat. Hiden Biden lies, plagiarizes, gaffes, forgets who his wife is, forgets which office he's running for, forgets what state he is in, and you seem to turn a blind eye.
Tool of the Left^^^
All that silly name calling is a bit immature. I don't watch very much American news but the CBC, Global and CTV have have mentioned President Trump almost every night in the last four and a half years. Vice President Biden was absent from the media for most of that time and Senator Harris was never mentioned until the Primaries.
Are you saying President Trump was never in the news?
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 12:54:29 PM
All that silly name calling is a bit immature. I don't watch very much American news but the CBC, Global and CTV have have mentioned President Trump almost every night in the last four and a half years. Vice President Biden was absent from the media for most of that time and Senator Harris was never mentioned until the Primaries.
Are you saying President Trump was never in the news?
Please tell me you didn't know the CBC was a Marxist backed propaganda arm?
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2020, 02:39:57 PM
Please tell me you didn't know the CBC was a Marxist backed propaganda arm?
The CBC is a Crown Corporation, owned by the Queen, so in practice, you could say it is backed by all Canadians including the Peoples Party of Canada. Bernier might be an idiot but he is further to the right than you are. (Being on the right isn't why he is an idiot.)
Trivia note: the American Communist Party only avoided bankruptsy and total oblivion because the FBI undercover agents were just about the only members who paid their dues and went to meetings.
I am old enough to remember the "John Birch Battle Hymn of the Republic." (Look it up.) :biggrin:
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 03:32:38 PM
The CBC is a Crown Corporation, owned by the Queen, so in practice, you could say it is backed by all Canadians including the Peoples Party of Canada. Bernier might be an idiot but he is further to the right than you are. (Being on the right isn't why he is an idiot.)
Trivia note: the American Communist Party only avoided bankruptsy and total oblivion because the FBI undercover agents were just about the only members who paid their dues and went to meetings.
I am old enough to remember the "John Birch Battle Hymn of the Republic." (Look it up.) :biggrin:
I suggest you open your eyes and discover just what the CBC is. Oh, and it's even worse in Britain...
Start here.
https://nosnowinmoscow.wordpress.com/2017/04/20/news-slanting-and-communist-line-propaganda-on-the-cbc/
As I said, the CBC is a Crown Corporation. What do you think that means? Where does marxism come in to it?
(I never click on unknown links.)
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 04:10:42 PM
As I said, the CBC is a Crown Corporation. What do you think that means? Where does marxism come in to it?
(I never click on unknown links.)
That's why you didn't know the CBC is a leftist backed news outlet!
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2020, 04:29:49 PM
That's why you didn't know the CBC is a leftist backed news outlet!
Are you calling the Queen a leftist? That is contradiction in terms.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 04:34:46 PM
Are you calling the Queen a leftist? That is contradiction in terms.
WOW, leap frog much?
How much interest in CBC do you think she has? :lol:
She's an old, Very OLD woman!
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2020, 04:46:11 PM
WOW, leap frog much?
How much interest in CBC do you think she has? :lol:
She's an old, Very OLD woman!
She owns it. That is what a Crown Corporation is. It was created during the Consrvative Government of R.B. Bennett. Some of it's best anchors went on to be Conservative candidates.Peter Kent was a cabinet minister in Harper's government so anyone calling it socialist is dumber than a bag of hammers.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 08:36:03 PM
She owns it. That is what a Crown Corporation is. It was created during the Consrvative Government of R.B. Bennett. Some of it's best anchors went on to be Conservative candidates.Peter Kent was a cabinet minister in Harper's government so anyone calling it socialist is dumber than a bag of hammers.
You do know, what you call Conservative is akin to a Fabian Socialist, here we call them RINO.
But aside from that, do a little research, CBC is a solid leftist network. Don't get me wrong, they do some great work in certain areas, but when it come to news, you're screwed, they only tell you what they want you to know.
Do yourself a favor, branch out away from all network news, they're lying to you.
WOW, Dejavu, I just took a trip back 50+ years because someone spoke those same exact words to me then, that network news is a product of Wall Street, and by God, he was absolutely right.
Quote from: Solar on December 06, 2020, 04:01:41 AM
WOW, Dejavu, I just took a trip back 50+ years because someone spoke those same exact words to me then, that network news is a product of Wall Street, and by God, he was absolutely right.
I kinda think that is what I tried to get across. Aside from PBS, it is all about money. Do you remember Arthur Kent (the Scud Stud), reporter for NBC during the First Gulf War. He quit NBC, inspite of a promising career, because the network put the news division under the entertainment branch. Both he and another Canadian, Peter Jennings, felt the bean-counters who had taken over the networks didn't care about quality journalism, just the bottom line. A lot of the famous journalists on network news were CBC alumni, and when they packed it in, quality American journalism went with it.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 06, 2020, 05:23:51 AM
I kinda think that is what I tried to get across. Aside from PBS, it is all about money. Do you remember Arthur Kent (the Scud Stud), reporter for NBC during the First Gulf War. He quit NBC, inspite of a promising career, because the network put the news division under the entertainment branch. Both he and another Canadian, Peter Jennings, felt the bean-counters who had taken over the networks didn't care about quality journalism, just the bottom line. A lot of the famous journalists on network news were CBC alumni, and when they packed it in, quality American journalism went with it.
But it's not about money any longer, now it's about agenda, a concerted effort to shape public opinion in softening the view that Marxism is simply misunderstood, that socialism works and we have nothing to fear.
This is todays media, all lies disguised as news.
Quote from: Solar on December 06, 2020, 05:52:26 AM
But it's not about money any longer, now it's about agenda, a concerted effort to shape public opinion in softening the view that Marxism is simply misunderstood, that socialism works and we have nothing to fear.
This is todays media, all lies disguised as news.
You are absolutely correct, Solar, we've seen the media attempting to shape public opinion ever since Donald Trump submitted his candidacy for office. It has been non-stop negative coverage, non-stop accusations, non-stop assumptions, non-stop what if's and non-stop attempts to undermine this President. The Marxists want money and power and will stop at nothing to get it, even if it involves ruining people and destroying America to get it. If anyone doubted that evil or the devil exists, it is clear that BOTH exist now.
Quote from: RV on December 06, 2020, 06:27:37 AM
You are absolutely correct, Solar, we've seen the media attempting to shape public opinion ever since Donald Trump submitted his candidacy for office. It has been non-stop negative coverage, non-stop accusations, non-stop assumptions, non-stop what if's and non-stop attempts to undermine this President. The Marxists want money and power and will stop at nothing to get it, even if it involves ruining people and destroying America to get it. If anyone doubted that evil or the devil exists, it is clear that BOTH exist now.
Yep, for decades it's been obvious that the media was left, but it's been growing more and more subversive and then Trump entered the scene. :lol:
They exploded, and pulled out all the stops and now it's literally a division between Our Nation as Founded, or surrender to Marxism.
There is no longer any gray area between the two.
Quote from: RV on December 06, 2020, 06:27:37 AM
You are absolutely correct, Solar, we've seen the media attempting to shape public opinion ever since Donald Trump submitted his candidacy for office. It has been non-stop negative coverage, non-stop accusations, non-stop assumptions, non-stop what if's and non-stop attempts to undermine this President. The Marxists want money and power and will stop at nothing to get it, even if it involves ruining people and destroying America to get it. If anyone doubted that evil or the devil exists, it is clear that BOTH exist now.
Another explanation is that they think he is an incompetent buffoon and a con man and a danger to the country. A lot of really smart people such as General Kelly, Secretary Tillerson, Colin Powell, David Frum, and dozens of others, all Republicans, shared that view.
To paraphrase Kipling, if all about you are losing their heads and you alone are keeping calm, you probably don't understand the situation.
Now my wife is impatiently waiting in the car for me, so have a great day.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 06, 2020, 07:24:59 AM
Another explanation is that they think he is an incompetent buffoon and a con man and a danger to the country. A lot of really smart people such as General Kelly, Secretary Tillerson, Colin Powell, David Frum, and dozens of others, all Republicans, shared that view.
To paraphrase Kipling, if all about you are losing their heads and you alone are keeping calm, you probably don't understand the situation.
Now my wife is impatiently waiting in the car for me, so have a great day.
All of these people are sell outs for the cause of endless wars, they're the epitome of RINO.
They think you can kill for peace, they align with factions who sell arms to continue wars. RINO align with Dims starting wars to line their own pockets off the profit.
They back CIA initiatives that create division in other countries to weaken their regimes, (good or bad), this behavior has to end if we are to be respected around the globe. Trump is ending it.
They invest in corporations manufacturing hardware, then accept bribes from Lobbyists to push through Legislation to purchase these implements of destruction.
Don't believe me?
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/tulsi-gabbard-exposed-obama-support-for-isis/
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 08:36:03 PM
She owns it. That is what a Crown Corporation is. It was created during the Consrvative Government of R.B. Bennett. Some of it's best anchors went on to be Conservative candidates.Peter Kent was a cabinet minister in Harper's government so anyone calling it socialist is dumber than a bag of hammers.
Watch...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1335305303160721408
Maybe better questions would be, how much money is funneled from the DNC to China? How much money did the DNC pay China for the Wuhan virus? How much support did the Chinese lab receive from the DNC? How much support, money, etc. did the Democrat candidates give to China?
How is it that President Trump was accused of a "quid pro quo" while Bejing Biden is specifically on tape bragging about his quid pro quo yet, absolutely nothing was done to him?
How is it that FOUR Americans INCLUDING an Ambassador for the United States were killed while HRC watched yet, absolutely NOTHING was done to her, Obama or anyone else in the DNC? HRC also destroyed evidence AFTER it was subpeona'd and yet again, absolutely NOTHING was done to her?