Good meme...
(https://conservativehardliner.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/second_amendment_right-min.png)
https://conservativehardliner.com/memes/second-amendment-does-not-grant-us-right-bear-arms
Pay close Attention Libs, your Rights do not, I repeat, DO NOT come from Govt!
As much as you may disdain the idea, God Granted us these Rights!
I have always wondered that, if God granted these rights to Americans, did God also grant them to everybody on earth?
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 06:37:15 AM
I have always wondered that, if God granted these rights to Americans, did God also grant them to everybody on earth?
Are you questioning the existence of God, or the fact that he granted men certain rights? Try reading the declaration of independence.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 06:37:15 AM
I have always wondered that, if God granted these rights to Americans, did God also grant them to everybody on earth?
They are rights of every human....that's why you are not free there....
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 06:37:15 AM
I have always wondered that, if God granted these rights to Americans, did God also grant them to everybody on earth?
Of Course He Did!!! People allowed govt to usurp them. Yes, your forefathers allowed a handful of bureaucrats to claim said Rights for themselves in a power grab.
They freely gave them up with the promise of security and peace and they continue forward stealing more and more of your rights without consent.
Sadly these rules have been grandfathered in and you were forced to accept it.
Here in the US, we are taught that our Rights do not come from bureaucrats, rather from the highest power, so any real change must first stand up to our Bill of Rights, the Document designed to keep bureaucrats at bay, leaving our God Granted Rights intact.
Quote from: Possum on December 05, 2020, 06:45:25 AM
Are you questioning the existence of God, or the fact that he granted men certain rights? Try reading the declaration of independence.
You misunderstand my question. I am asking if any citizen of another country has these same rights? Does the Government of the UK have the right to infringe on a British Subject's right to bear arms?
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 07:02:09 AM
You misunderstand my question. I am asking if any citizen of another country has these same rights? Does the Government of the UK have the right to infringe on a British Subject's right to bear arms?
Only because they are subjects, not individuals. This has a long history of subjection to aristocracy, not the fault of the citizenry, the power is inherent, and until the people end it and start anew, they will continue to be robbed of individual rights.
I am not sure what rights I am being deprived of. I own a half dozen long guns and two hand guns. The government restrictions are the same here as in several american states.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 07:46:28 AM
I am not sure what rights I am being deprived of. I own a half dozen long guns and two hand guns. The government restrictions are the same here as in several american states.
And therein lies the problem, you don't know what Rights you've lost till you lose them. One becomes accustomed to restrictions as a cultural norm.
But dare you speak against govts cultural norm, you'll recognize one Right you never had. The Right to Free Speech.
Having been in politics most of my adult life, and much of that in opposition to Liberal governments, I have never been or seen any infringement on the right of free speech by government. I have seen idiot children from the left and right try to interfere with the free exchange of ideas on campuses but the Crown has never prevented free speech.
The Canadian Constitution with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is also from God since it was made law by the Supreme Governor of the Christian Church on behalf of all faiths. So, I don't see a difference.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 07:02:09 AM
You misunderstand my question. I am asking if any citizen of another country has these same rights? Does the Government of the UK have the right to infringe on a British Subject's right to bear arms?
Solar simply answered in reply #1. God given rights can only be taken away by a rogue government in concert with a compliant citizenry.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 08:30:30 AM
Having been in politics most of my adult life, and much of that in opposition to Liberal governments, I have never been or seen any infringement on the right of free speech by government. I have seen idiot children from the left and right try to interfere with the free exchange of ideas on campuses but the Crown has never prevented free speech.
The Canadian Constitution with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is also from God since it was made law by the Supreme Governor of the Christian Church on behalf of all faiths. So, I don't see a difference.
Really? Here in the US, this is considered protected speech. But in Canada, they oppress free thought, regardless of what you think.
In other words, whatever the individual meant by his speech is left to interpterion by anyone who wants to claim it offensive.
On December 12, Lord Dear introduced a motion to reform section 5 from the Public Order Act 1986 in the British House of Lords. Section 5 says that a person is guilty of an offence in Britain if he
"uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting, within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby."
What does that have to do with the US or Canada. What the British do is their own business.
Many people may exersize their God given right to take offence to something I say and they are free to rebut it. However, slander, libel and hate do not constitute free speech. God did not give anyone to right to hate. It is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. Lying is bearing false witness and a sin. It is not a right given by God.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 09:16:15 AM
What does that have to do with the US or Canada. What the British do is their own business.
Many people may exersize their God given right to take offence to something I say and they are free to rebut it. However, slander, libel and hate do not constitute free speech. God did not give anyone to right to hate. It is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. Lying is bearing false witness and a sin. It is not a right given by God.
You do know what libel laws are, Right? They are not covered by free speech...
This is where the quote comes from...
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tom-kott/freedom-of-speech-canada_b_2324999.html
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 09:16:15 AM
What does that have to do with the US or Canada. What the British do is their own business.
Many people may exersize their God given right to take offence to something I say and they are free to rebut it. However, slander, libel and hate do not constitute free speech. God did not give anyone to right to hate. It is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. Lying is bearing false witness and a sin. It is not a right given by God.
I hate liberals....
Quote from: Owebo on December 05, 2020, 10:24:45 AM
I hate liberals....
I don't hate them. I've just spent a lifetime trying to keep them out of office. :thumbup:
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2020, 09:56:34 AM
You do know what libel laws are, Right? They are not covered by free speech...
This is where the quote comes from...
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/tom-kott/freedom-of-speech-canada_b_2324999.html
The quote was about legislation in the British House of Lords. It has as much to do with Canada as legislation to licence dogs in Uraguay.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 10:49:36 AM
The quote was about legislation in the British House of Lords. It has as much to do with Canada as legislation to licence dogs in Uraguay.
You're Right, I misread it. But here is a perfect example of Marxists in action.
Canadian Supreme Court Rules Biblical Speech Opposing Homosexual Behavior is a 'Hate Crime'
https://christiannews.net/2013/02/28/canadian-supreme-court-rules-biblical-speech-opposing-homosexual-behavior-is-a-hate-crime/
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 10:45:09 AM
I don't hate them. I've just spent a lifetime trying to keep them out of office. :thumbup:
I guess someone has to like them....
Quote from: Solar on December 05, 2020, 11:07:08 AM
You're Right, I misread it. But here is a perfect example of Marxists in action.
Canadian Supreme Court Rules Biblical Speech Opposing Homosexual Behaviour is a 'Hate Crime'
https://christiannews.net/2013/02/28/canadian-supreme-court-rules-biblical-speech-opposing-homosexual-behavior-is-a-hate-crime/
Actually, the court ruled against Bill Whatcott's attack on gays. I happen to know Mr. Whatcott in a professional capacity. He says the Government should have the right to tell you who you can fall in love with and who you can or can't marry. That is socialism. He is in my view, disturbed. I wish I could say he does not mean any harm, but unfortunately Bill does show signs of potential harm. His vicious attacks on people are cherry picked from the bible but do not reflect Biblical speech. Ironically, while I was dealing with him, the uniform I was wearing was an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, yet he made no comment on it. It would have been funny, because he too was breeching God's Law in the same manner. According to Leviticus, we were both committing a sin worse than homosexuality.
As I said before, God does not permit hate. Therefore there is no God given right to hate. Be that as it may, the Court did rule that hate speech conveyed privately "does not ban private expression of views."
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 12:46:24 PM
Actually, the court ruled against Bill Whatcott's attack on gays. I happen to know Mr. Whatcott in a professional capacity. He says the Government should have the right to tell you who you can fall in love with and who you can or can't marry. That is socialism. He is in my view, disturbed. I wish I could say he does not mean any harm, but unfortunately Bill does show signs of potential harm. His vicious attacks on people are cherry picked from the bible but do not reflect Biblical speech. Ironically, while I was dealing with him, the uniform I was wearing was an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, yet he made no comment on it. It would have been funny, because he too was breeching God's Law in the same manner. According to Leviticus, we were both committing a sin worse than homosexuality.
As I said before, God does not permit hate. Therefore there is no God given right to hate. Be that as it may, the Court did rule that hate speech conveyed privately "does not ban private expression of views."
I hate liberals....
Quote from: Owebo on December 05, 2020, 01:03:04 PM
I hate liberals....
I don't have enough friends that I can afford to hate anyone. :biggrin:
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 12:46:24 PM
Actually, the court ruled against Bill Whatcott's attack on gays. I happen to know Mr. Whatcott in a professional capacity. He says the Government should have the right to tell you who you can fall in love with and who you can or can't marry. That is socialism. He is in my view, disturbed. I wish I could say he does not mean any harm, but unfortunately Bill does show signs of potential harm. His vicious attacks on people are cherry picked from the bible but do not reflect Biblical speech. Ironically, while I was dealing with him, the uniform I was wearing was an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, yet he made no comment on it. It would have been funny, because he too was breeching God's Law in the same manner. According to Leviticus, we were both committing a sin worse than homosexuality.
As I said before, God does not permit hate. Therefore there is no God given right to hate. Be that as it may, the Court did rule that hate speech conveyed privately "does not ban private expression of views."
God does condone hate, he also condones forgiveness. But that aside, my point still stands, your govt is banning what it deems as hate speech, or in this case, thought crime, while here in the US speech in general is protected, even what someone claims to be hate speech.
If I were to say I hate commies and wish they would die in a burning inferno, that is protected speech. It's also true.
I don't believe God condons hate but we will have to agree to disagree.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 03:21:12 PM
I don't believe God condons hate but we will have to agree to disagree.
They are saying your .gov is going to lock the people down who don't get the China virus vaccine....is slavery really that rampant up there?
Quote from: Owebo on December 05, 2020, 03:27:08 PM
They are saying your .gov is going to lock the people down who don't get the China virus vaccine....is slavery really that rampant up there?
Somebody is lying to you. It is estimated about 25% of Canadians plan to refuse the vaccine. It's their choice. By the time we have access to it, tens of millions of Americans will have had it so we will have a pretty good idea if it works and is safe.
But then it is American made. What could go wrong?
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 03:34:31 PM
Somebody is lying to you.
Perhaps....
https://www.wnd.com/2020/12/canadians-refuse-vaccine-may-not-freedom-move-around/
Solar explained that God gave everbody the same rights so I would have to say we have the same rights as you for free speech. If God gave it to us, then I guess nobody except God can take it away from us. So don't believe anyone who tells you we don't have the same rights as you.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Solar explained that God gave everbody the same rights so I would have to say we have the same rights as you for free speech. If God gave it to us, then I guess nobody except God can take it away from us. So don't believe anyone who tells you we don't have the same rights as you.
No..anyone can take your rights away at anytime you let them....thus the topic of this thread....
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 03:21:12 PM
I don't believe God condons hate but we will have to agree to disagree.
Yes, God gave you the ability for hate, because without hate, you can't appreciate love.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Solar explained that God gave everbody the same rights so I would have to say we have the same rights as you for free speech. If God gave it to us, then I guess nobody except God can take it away from us. So don't believe anyone who tells you we don't have the same rights as you.
I said God gave everyone Rights, but Canadians put Govt in charge of their Rights, which means it can take them away anytime it sees fit.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Solar explained that God gave everbody the same rights so I would have to say we have the same rights as you for free speech. If God gave it to us, then I guess nobody except God can take it away from us. So don't believe anyone who tells you we don't have the same rights as you.
How can a grown man write such bull crap? Where do you come up with this? Through out history rights have been taken away.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 06:37:15 AM
I have always wondered that, if God granted these rights to Americans, did God also grant them to everybody on earth?
Rights ARE granted by God however, not every person believes in God, exercises their rights nor fights to get and/or keep them. There are those who believe that they have no rights unless they come from government.
Not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will enter into heaven. There are those who will be told instead, "Depart from me, I never knew you."
Quote from: Possum on December 05, 2020, 03:59:25 PM
How can a grown man write such bull crap? Where do you come up with this? Through out history rights have been taken away.
Actually, we in the US and Canada have more access to our God given rights than in previous centuries. Women and African Americans now have the same God given rights as white men.
Canadians God given rights are in the Constitution just as Americans rights are. They are guaranteed by God through the Supreme Governor of the Christian Church on behalf of all Canadians of faith and those who choose to be without faith.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
Solar explained that God gave everbody the same rights so I would have to say we have the same rights as you for free speech. If God gave it to us, then I guess nobody except God can take it away from us. So don't believe anyone who tells you we don't have the same rights as you.
One other point. Turdeau just proved you have no rights via his Orders-in-Council.
Canada's New Gun Ban Validates Fears of Arbitrary and Authoritarian Government
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's unilateral order confirms suspicions that government is always on the verge of abusing its power.
https://reason.com/2020/05/06/canadas-new-gun-ban-validates-fears-of-arbitrary-and-authoritarian-government/
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
Actually, we in the US and Canada have more access to our God given rights than in previous centuries. Women and African Americans now have the same God given rights as white men.
Canadians God given rights are in the Constitution just as Americans rights are. They are guaranteed by God through the Supreme Governor of the Christian Church on behalf of all Canadians of faith and those who choose to be without faith.
Except our rights are guaranteed by guns....you all up there don't have much say in the matter with your .gov....
I'd like to see Fauci, Gates, cuomo and other democrat governors and reps and senators get it first as well as the health field. Let them be the guinea pigs for a change.
Quote from: Owebo on December 05, 2020, 04:51:13 PM
Except our rights are guaranteed by guns....you all up there don't have much say in the matter with your .gov....
Guns are not a God given right. I am a gun owner but it is a privelege, not a right. I bought them in my youth in anticipation of the American invasion. Not my best idea.
In that light, WTF does anyone need a gun for? The police are 30 seconds away so I don't need one for self defence. A lot of people are hunters but that is a sport, not a neccessity. Most Canadians believe the idea of people walking around with pistols is nuts. We don't need nor want a Constitutional right to bear arms, but if you want it in the US, knock yourselves out.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 08:30:54 PM
Guns are not a God given right. I am a gun owner but it is a privelege, not a right. I bought them in my youth in anticipation of the American invasion. Not my best idea.
In that light, WTF does anyone need a gun for? The police are 30 seconds away so I don't need one for self defence. A lot of people are hunters but that is a sport, not a neccessity. Most Canadians believe the idea of people walking around with pistols is nuts. We don't need nor want a Constitutional right to bear arms, but if you want it in the US, knock yourselves out.
Indeed, they are......
Your words of slavery are simply disturbing....
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 08:30:54 PM
Guns are not a God given right. I am a gun owner but it is a privelege, not a right. I bought them in my youth in anticipation of the American invasion. Not my best idea.
In that light, WTF does anyone need a gun for? The police are 30 seconds away so I don't need one for self defence. A lot of people are hunters but that is a sport, not a neccessity. Most Canadians believe the idea of people walking around with pistols is nuts. We don't need nor want a Constitutional right to bear arms, but if you want it in the US, knock yourselves out.
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Keep track of this post, and as Turdeau slowly eliminates your rights, keep in mind how unnecessary guns are. :rolleyes:
But this can be a good thing, a learning thing about how power is stolen from the people when no one in govt has the balls to take on dictators.
Look it up, he's abusing his powers... Orders-in-Council
I'll look it up later but, today, the sun is going to shine, the temerature is going to hover around 0 degrees Celsius, and my wife and I are going cross-country skiing. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 08:30:54 PM
Guns are not a God given right. I am a gun owner but it is a privelege, not a right. I bought them in my youth in anticipation of the American invasion. Not my best idea.
In that light, WTF does anyone need a gun for? The police are 30 seconds away so I don't need one for self defence. A lot of people are hunters but that is a sport, not a neccessity. Most Canadians believe the idea of people walking around with pistols is nuts. We don't need nor want a Constitutional right to bear arms, but if you want it in the US, knock yourselves out.
QuoteThe police are 30 seconds away so I don't need one for self defence.
WOW!!! They must live at your front door. Now in my area it my take up to 1hr. Hell it would take them 15 min just to get up my driveway. LOL
Quote from: walkstall on December 06, 2020, 05:14:30 AM
WOW!!! They must live at your front door. Now in my area it my take up to 1hr. Hell it would take them 15 min just to get up my driveway. LOL
It begs the question. The US has an incredible number of different armed police departments, yet they are presumed to be so inefficient that many people need to take the law into their own hands. There needs to be a re-examination of policing in the US.
Living in a rural area in any country presents it's own problems with crime. We just had a famous case here in Saskatchewan where a group of 5 young men drove into a farmer's yard. They appeared to be drunk and looking for things to steal so the farmer grabbed a pistol and confronted them. The pistol discharged, killing one of the young men. The others ran off. The farmer was tried for 2nd degree murder but the jury ruled the discharge was accidental and he was aquitted. The farmer's life is ruined and a 20 year old kid is dead.
Rather than running out with a gun, he should have had a safe room and survailence cameras. He and his family could have retreated to the safe room and let the RCMP deal with the thieves.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 06, 2020, 05:56:19 AM
It begs the question. The US has an incredible number of different armed police departments, yet they are presumed to be so inefficient that many people need to take the law into their own hands. There needs to be a re-examination of policing in the US.
Living in a rural area in any country presents it's own problems with crime. We just had a famous case here in Saskatchewan where a group of 5 young men drove into a farmer's yard. They appeared to be drunk and looking for things to steal so the farmer grabbed a pistol and confronted them. The pistol discharged, killing one of the young men. The others ran off. The farmer was tried for 2nd degree murder but the jury ruled the discharge was accidental and he was aquitted. The farmer's life is ruined and a 20 year old kid is dead.
Rather than running out with a gun, he should have had a safe room and survailence cameras. He and his family could have retreated to the safe room and let the RCMP deal with the thieves.
How do you protect your rights?
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 06, 2020, 05:56:19 AM
It begs the question. The US has an incredible number of different armed police departments, yet they are presumed to be so inefficient that many people need to take the law into their own hands. There needs to be a re-examination of policing in the US.
Living in a rural area in any country presents it's own problems with crime. We just had a famous case here in Saskatchewan where a group of 5 young men drove into a farmer's yard. They appeared to be drunk and looking for things to steal so the farmer grabbed a pistol and confronted them. The pistol discharged, killing one of the young men. The others ran off. The farmer was tried for 2nd degree murder but the jury ruled the discharge was accidental and he was aquitted. The farmer's life is ruined and a 20 year old kid is dead.
Rather than running out with a gun, he should have had a safe room and survailence cameras. He and his family could have retreated to the safe room and let the RCMP deal with the thieves.
So cower in fear as they rob you blind and set your house on fire as you cook like a roast in your "Safe Place" waiting on law enforcement?
Sounds like a well thought out plan.
Or, as this guy did, stood his ground and sent a message to other would be thugs, that we won't take your shit!
You people act as if govt is your friend... Why is that?
Our Founders warned us about Govt, that's why they created a Republic with a Bill of Rights that hamstrings Govt from becoming all powerful and abusive.
Quote from: Solar on December 06, 2020, 06:19:07 AM
So cower in fear as they rob you blind and set your house on fire as you cook like a roast in your "Safe Place" waiting on law enforcement?
Sounds like a well thought out plan.
Or, as this guy did, stood his ground and sent a message to other would be thugs, that we won't take your shit!
You people act as if govt is your friend... Why is that?
Our Founders warned us about Govt, that's why they created a Republic with a Bill of Rights that hamstrings Govt from becoming all powerful and abusive.
It's truly disturbing to read his slavespeak.....
Through the ballot box and if necessary, the courts. While we are a Constitutional Monarchy, Parliament is a check on any excesses of the Government and within Parliament the Senate is a check on the House of Commons. I guess I'm not clear on what threat you see that would deprive us of our rights. In real life terms, governments are a reflection of the people.
Even in the US, gun rights will not stop a government determined to deprive you of your rights. If the US government wants to disarm you, provided it has the backing of the US armed forces, you WILL lose your guns. In a case like that, the phrase "give me liberty or give me death," your choice will be made for you and there is not going to be a thing you can do about it. So, in 2022, choose wisely.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 06, 2020, 06:27:56 AM
Through the ballot box and if necessary, the courts. While we are a Constitutional Monarchy, Parliament is a check on any excesses of the Government and within Parliament the Senate is a check on the House of Commons. I guess I'm not clear on what threat you see that would deprive us of our rights. In real life terms, governments are a reflection of the people.
Even in the US, gun rights will not stop a government determined to deprive you of your rights. If the US government wants to disarm you, provided it has the backing of the US armed forces, you WILL lose your guns. In a case like that, the phrase "give me liberty or give me death," your choice will be made for you and there is not going to be a thing you can do about it. So, in 2022, choose wisely.
The vote was the last vestige of "freedom" we had in America. If that "freedom" has been taken away by fraud, it ceases to exist. If this is not "fixed", EVERY election from here on in will be a sham and the United States will be just like every third world banana republic out there.
Quote from: Solar on December 06, 2020, 06:19:07 AM
So cower in fear as they rob you blind and set your house on fire as you cook like a roast in your "Safe Place" waiting on law enforcement?
Sounds like a well thought out plan.
Or, as this guy did, stood his ground and sent a message to other would be thugs, that we won't take your shit!
You people act as if govt is your friend... Why is that?
Our Founders warned us about Govt, that's why they created a Republic with a Bill of Rights that hamstrings Govt from becoming all powerful and abusive.
The point is, we don't cower in fear. There are fewer than 700 homicides per year in a country of almost 40 million people. Most killings are domestic disputes and a few Gand / drug related killings. In the Nova Scotia tragedy last April, a gun would not have saved any of the victims since the killer was wearing an RCMP uniform and they trusted him.
The farmer I mentioned earlier would have been convicted had he not been able to convince a jury the pistol went off by accident. Self defence is only pemitted in a case where your life or another person's life is in imminent danger. Killing a thief is murder.
If we are living in"slavery" most Canadians would say bring it on, because life here is great. Now, my wife is standing by the door with our skis and life is too short to waste all this snow and sunshine.
Quote from: Owebo on December 06, 2020, 06:24:06 AM
It's truly disturbing to read his slavespeak.....
Yes, it is, but then I can't really blame him because Canada is literally decades behind what the US once was, a peaceful nation where everyone essentially got along and agreed in principle that our Nation was good and not much bad ever happens.
Canada is starting to show signs that corruption is deeply embedded and the people are only just recently becoming aware of it.
Growing up in the Calif Capitol was like a Mayberry episode, we seldom saw murders, rapes, let alone kidnapping, nothing much ever happened till libs came out from the East coast and with them, brought perversion, and look at Ca, just 50 years later and it mirrors Venezuela.
It won't be long before Canada is forced to have an abortion, then everyone will become aware of the evil that hid within.
Quote from: RV on December 06, 2020, 06:32:58 AM
The vote was the last vestige of "freedom" we had in America. If that "freedom" has been taken away by fraud, it ceases to exist. If this is not "fixed", EVERY election from here on in will be a sham and the United States will be just like every third world banana republic out there.
As well as other North American countries... If not stopped, the Marxists will have won.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 06, 2020, 05:56:19 AM
It begs the question. The US has an incredible number of different armed police departments, yet they are presumed to be so inefficient that many people need to take the law into their own hands. There needs to be a re-examination of policing in the US.
Living in a rural area in any country presents it's own problems with crime. We just had a famous case here in Saskatchewan where a group of 5 young men drove into a farmer's yard. They appeared to be drunk and looking for things to steal so the farmer grabbed a pistol and confronted them. The pistol discharged, killing one of the young men. The others ran off. The farmer was tried for 2nd degree murder but the jury ruled the discharge was accidental and he was aquitted. The farmer's life is ruined and a 20 year old kid is dead.
Rather than running out with a gun, he should have had a safe room and survailence cameras. He and his family could have retreated to the safe room and let the RCMP deal with the thieves.
That sir is naive.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 05, 2020, 08:30:54 PM
Guns are not a God given right. I am a gun owner but it is a privelege, not a right. I bought them in my youth in anticipation of the American invasion. Not my best idea.
In that light, WTF does anyone need a gun for? The police are 30 seconds away so I don't need one for self defence. A lot of people are hunters but that is a sport, not a neccessity. Most Canadians believe the idea of people walking around with pistols is nuts. We don't need nor want a Constitutional right to bear arms, but if you want it in the US, knock yourselves out.
Really? Not a "right" but, rather a "privilege"? Well, I have several copies of the U.S. Constitution and no where does it use the word "privilege" in the second Amendment. Rather it says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms...".
So you are either deliberately lying about what the U.S. Constitution says OR you are clueless as to what the U.S. Constitution says. Now which one is it?
Quote from: RV on December 06, 2020, 08:19:29 AM
Really? Not a "right" but, rather a "privilege"? Well, I have several copies of the U.S. Constitution and no where does it use the word "privilege" in the second Amendment. Rather it says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms...".
So you are either deliberately lying about what the U.S. Constitution says OR you are clueless as to what the U.S. Constitution says. Now which one is it?
You misunderstood. It is a God given right in the US, but in Canada it is a privilege. We are happy with that but you have that right from God. No argument.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 06, 2020, 02:19:24 PM
You misunderstood. It is a God given right in the US, but in Canada it is a privilege. We are happy with that but you have that right from God. No argument.
It's a human right....of all humans.....everywhere.....
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 06, 2020, 02:19:24 PM
You misunderstood. It is a God given right in the US, but in Canada it is a privilege. We are happy with that but you have that right from God. No argument.
The people of the United States are not "better" than others. If they are God given rights then they are God given to EVERYONE who is human regardless of what country they reside in. Scripture is God breathed for ALL mankind, not just those in a certain country.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 06, 2020, 02:19:24 PM
You misunderstood. It is a God given right in the US, but in Canada it is a privilege. We are happy with that but you have that right from God. No argument.
What you don't understand, your "privilege" can also be taken away at any time. Just like your movement to go out and do what you like right now. So you have NO gun right up North. You have a "privilege" to post on this board. Do you have that same right to say and do what you like in Canada, above the Fifty-Four Forty right now?
Quote from: walkstall on December 06, 2020, 06:32:01 PM
What you don't understand, your "privilege" can also be taken away at any time. Just like your movement to go out and do what you like right now. So you have NO gun right up North. You have a "privilege" to post on this board. Do you have that same right to say and do what you like in Canada, above the Fifty-Four Forty right now?
Yeah, here in America, we have rights but, in Canada they have "privileges". Their "privileges" can be taken away at any moment as the politicians see fit...
I'll protect my family, myself, and my home by whatever means I deem appropriate. Emphasis on "I". The end.
Just curious.
How stupid does someone have to be to claim the police are only 30 seconds away?
Quote from: winterset on March 01, 2021, 07:20:46 PM
Just curious.
How stupid does someone have to be to claim the police are only 30 seconds away?
Well, I don't know of any cop 30 seconds away, let alone 30 minutes away. Where I live, they're at best, an hour+ away, with only one deputy as backup.
Yes, libs are that stupid.
Oh, and welcome to the forum. :cool:
Was a regular at Baen's Bar but it appears to have fallen victim to lack of stones by Baen.
Quote from: Tory Potter on December 06, 2020, 05:07:43 AM
I'll look it up later but, today, the sun is going to shine, the temerature is going to hover around 0 degrees Celsius, and my wife and I are going cross-country skiing. :thumbsup:
OK, So, did you look it up? Nope, didn't think you wanted to face reality.
The point you're failing to grasp is, in the US we have a 2nd, not so much for self protection, but to assure our govt respects the Bill of Rights.
With that said, here's what you refused to look at.
Canada's New Gun Ban Validates Fears of Arbitrary and Authoritarian Government
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's unilateral order confirms suspicions that government is always on the verge of abusing its power.
In Canada as well as in the U.S., advocates of gun restrictions are cheering Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's ban on so-called "assault weapons" in the wake of a mass murder in Nova Scotia. Some of the crackdown's fans even say the move isn't enough—they want more! The cheers come although the ban is arbitrary, wouldn't have prevented the rampage, and has been enacted by decree.
In fact, Trudeau's move fully validates suspicions that government is always on the verge of authoritarian excess and that cooperating with its creeping restrictions is foolish.
On April 19, 2020, Gabriel Wortman donned a Royal Canadian Mounted Police uniform and slipped behind the wheel of a decommissioned squad car complete with light bar and decals to begin a 14-hour killing spree that ended only with his own death. Canada has strict gun laws compared to most of the U.S., but Wortman, "who was not licensed to possess firearms, used guns illegally obtained in Canada and from U.S. sources," according to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC). That is, Wortman broke Canada's law against impersonating a police officer and used black-market weapons to commit his murders.
Days later, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau—who was already committed to tighter gun laws—used the mass murder as a jumping-off point for implementing part of his wish list of legal changes. Trudeau "announced the ban of over 1,500 models and variants of assault-style firearms. These models represent nine categories of firearms and two types identified by characteristic," in the words of his press release.
As is always the case, the named "assault-style firearms" are distinguished from other guns primarily by aesthetics rather than power or function. The ban is to be implemented over two years, during which time the affected firearms can only be transported to be deactivated, taken home, exported, or surrendered to police, "unless you are an Indigenous person exercising treaty rights to hunt or a sustenance hunter." Compensation for owners of the newly outlawed guns is promised for some time in the future, although nothing is yet in place.
Importantly, nothing in the ban would have prevented Wortman's rampage, given that he was already unlicensed, illegally impersonating a cop, and using black-market firearms. True, under the new rules, his illegal weapons would be a bit more illegal, providing a few extra charges to press against his moldering corpse, if you're into that sort of thing. In fact, Wortman's entire crime—committed entirely in defiance of the law, by a man who burned his own home and clearly had no plans to survive—seems a brutal demonstration of the limits of governments' abilities to "reform" society and to protect people from human predators.
Not that anybody got to raise such objections ahead of time, because there was no debate. Trudeau's ban was implemented via an "order in council"—a decree that entirely bypasses Parliament. Orders in council resemble the executive orders issued by U.S. presidents, and have been subject to similar mission-creep, long ago evolving from means for settling administrative matters within government agencies into end-runs around normal democratic procedures.
"The trend in consequence of two wars in one generation has been in the direction of by-passing Parliament by the passing of orders-in-council which interfere with individual rights," John Diefenbaker, who later became prime minister, objected in a 1949 speech.
Trudeau's decree lives up to his predecessor's worst fears, threatening people with legal consequences for continuing to act in a harmless way that was perfectly legal up until his pronouncement, all in the name of preventing a crime that would have remained untouched by the new rules.
"Today, I became a criminal; not through my own actions, but due to a decision made by Justin Trudeau," writes Phil Steernberg in response to the ban. "With the stroke of a pen, Trudeau made me and 2.1M other Canadians criminals."
Steernberg goes on to detail the intrusions and oversight that gun owners already suffer in Canada, only to be criminalized anyway with the promise that they won't actually be prosecuted for another two years.
Then again, the Canadian government can only prosecute the violators it can find, and it's not entirely clear how many firearms and their owners are affected. The prime minister's office estimates "there are currently over 100,000 restricted firearms among the models that are now prohibited. This number does not include other newly-prohibited models that were not subject to registration requirements." That is, the government has registration records for guns that were already classified as "restricted," but has no idea who might own other guns falling under the new ban.
That lack of certainty comes after Canada's government made an abortive run at registering all long guns. Amidst soaring costs and widespread defiance, the registry was abandoned in 2012. As in other countries (gun policy expert Gary Mauser estimates that registries usually achieve only about one-sixth compliance), Canadian gun owners were hesitant to formally acknowledge ownership of property that might eventually be targeted for tighter restrictions.
"There's only two reasons to register something – gov't plans to tax it or confiscate it," the Canadian Shooting Sports Association warned in 2013.
Sure enough, in 2020, the Canadian prime minister is imposing a ban by decree. And some gun prohibition fans want him to go even further. The Globe and Mail calls the ban a "weak half-measure" because it doesn't criminalize the possession of handguns. Former Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe spokesman Michael Bociurkiw wants to seal the vast border with the U.S. to curtail gun smuggling and "to make Canadians feel safer."
Dutifully law-abiding owners of registered weapons will have a relatively tough time evading prohibition. But those who ignored registration requirements, or whose guns weren't subject to registration to begin with, will have the option of quietly hiding their possessions while knowing that their distrust of the government was justified.
The obvious lesson to take away from the crackdown in Canada is that the government you live under can turn against you at any time. And bringing yourself to the attention of that government—say, by registering property that some officials want to further restrict or completely prohibit—is just asking for trouble. That lesson should be taken to heart not just in Canada, but any place that those who would inflict restrictions and prohibitions on the rest of us seek power. Which is to say, Canada's gun ban by decree provides a schooling in authoritarianism for everybody.
https://reason.com/2020/05/06/canadas-new-gun-ban-validates-fears-of-arbitrary-and-authoritarian-government/