Barr nailed it! I have never seen any statement that was more misunderstood.
https://cnsnews.com/article/national/alexander-watson/ag-barr-separation-church-and-state-does-not-mean-separation
QuoteAt the National Catholic Prayer Breakfast on Wednesday, a virtual, online event, Attorney General William Barr said that the "separation of church and state does not mean separation of religion and civics," and added that "militant secularists" had used the "separation" claim to try to "drive religion from the public square."
Quote"How does religion preserve liberty? In the first place, as our Founders recognized, religion assists in the formation of virtuous citizens who are prepared to exercise liberty responsibly.
Quote from: Possum on September 25, 2020, 04:02:21 PM
Barr nailed it! I have never seen any statement that was more misunderstood.
https://cnsnews.com/article/national/alexander-watson/ag-barr-separation-church-and-state-does-not-mean-separation
Preach! Ive seen so many liberals wrongfully claim that appoiting Amy Barrett as a supreme court justice is against the seperation of church and state just because she is catholic. Seperation of church and state doesnt mean what they think it means
Quote from: American Loving Norwegian on September 28, 2020, 08:33:56 AM
Preach! Ive seen so many liberals wrongfully claim that appoiting Amy Barrett as a supreme court justice is against the seperation of church and state just because she is catholic. Seperation of church and state doesnt mean what they think it means
Exactly! It has always been about placing a barrier on govt from interfering with religion.
Quote from: Solar on September 28, 2020, 09:24:03 AM
Exactly! It has always been about placing a barrier on govt from interfering with religion.
And also, the US has always been a Judea Christian values, where we take the stuff like the Ten Commandments and apply it to law and order and morality.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on September 28, 2020, 10:05:51 AM
And also, the US has always been a Judea Christian values, where we take the stuff like the Ten Commandments and apply it to law and order and morality.
Yep, and we used to believe in an eye for an eye kind of wild west justice. I'd love to see a return to that mindset, crime would plummet.
Quote from: Solar on September 28, 2020, 11:32:13 AM
Yep, and we used to believe in an eye for an eye kind of wild west justice. I'd love to see a return to that mindset, crime would plummet.
I always heard from lefties about having guns would turning life into the wild, wild west. As I can tell from the wild, wild west (movies), the sheriff kept law and order, the townsfolk wanted law and order, the outlaws generally picked and choose what they did (robbing a bank or stagecoach versus busting up a saloon), and townsfolk had a chance to defend themselves.
Separation of Church and State is absolute rejection of rule of law... Has anyone stated where it is? Does the Church visit around with weapons then ask itself, what did the Government think of this activity?
Quote from: MikeDwight on October 06, 2020, 02:07:39 PM
Separation of Church and State is absolute rejection of rule of law... Has anyone stated where it is? Does the Church visit around with weapons then ask itself, what did the Government think of this activity?
Did you have an actual point to make?
Quote from: Solar on October 06, 2020, 04:12:23 PM
Did you have an actual point to make?
The Baptists made up Separation of Church and State. American Religion is made up, too, they like sounding like the big ones. Look into Baptists and Methodists Tripled and more at the 2nd great awakening of 1840, totally made up, why not unamerican? Like a Baptist is so secure that he Never Ever had to mettle in Worldly affairs at all. They're probably the beginning of the end in American religion as I can't distinguish the unverifiable, uncertifiable, unaccountable, cults, the 1900's groups, the assemblies, nontrinitarians, the mormons, charismatics, pentecostal, jehova witness. Separation of Church and State, who is to notice this Church of Marijuana on the corner.
Meanwhile, that big Red X in Alabama, and its State Pride in a religion to make you Unchurched, you can't attend correctly, the government squeezed out the morality they're being proud of like the Scottish flag, right? And not only is it a national fellowship, or an alliance with Scotland, or the Church of Scotland, its absolutely Religious promotion and liberty in Religion we don't have liberty in. The article likes those familiar words should look into it.
Its simple the Government doesn't get money from the Churches. It doesn't get to promote its viewpoint like most of these nations got the reigns on religion.
Quote from: MikeDwight on October 07, 2020, 01:54:49 PM
The Baptists made up Separation of Church and State. American Religion is made up, too, they like sounding like the big ones. Look into Baptists and Methodists Tripled and more at the 2nd great awakening of 1840, totally made up, why not unamerican? Like a Baptist is so secure that he Never Ever had to mettle in Worldly affairs at all. They're probably the beginning of the end in American religion as I can't distinguish the unverifiable, uncertifiable, unaccountable, cults, the 1900's groups, the assemblies, nontrinitarians, the mormons, charismatics, pentecostal, jehova witness. Separation of Church and State, who is to notice this Church of Marijuana on the corner.
Meanwhile, that big Red X in Alabama, and its State Pride in a religion to make you Unchurched, you can't attend correctly, the government squeezed out the morality they're being proud of like the Scottish flag, right? And not only is it a national fellowship, or an alliance with Scotland, or the Church of Scotland, its absolutely Religious promotion and liberty in Religion we don't have liberty in. The article likes those familiar words should look into it.
Its simple the Government doesn't get money from the Churches. It doesn't get to promote its viewpoint like most of these nations got the reigns on religion.
So you don't like the First Amendment?
Quote from: MikeDwight on October 07, 2020, 01:54:49 PM
The Baptists made up Separation of Church and State. American Religion is made up, too, they like sounding like the big ones. Look into Baptists and Methodists Tripled and more at the 2nd great awakening of 1840, totally made up, why not unamerican? Like a Baptist is so secure that he Never Ever had to mettle in Worldly affairs at all. They're probably the beginning of the end in American religion as I can't distinguish the unverifiable, uncertifiable, unaccountable, cults, the 1900's groups, the assemblies, nontrinitarians, the mormons, charismatics, pentecostal, jehova witness. Separation of Church and State, who is to notice this Church of Marijuana on the corner.
Meanwhile, that big Red X in Alabama, and its State Pride in a religion to make you Unchurched, you can't attend correctly, the government squeezed out the morality they're being proud of like the Scottish flag, right? And not only is it a national fellowship, or an alliance with Scotland, or the Church of Scotland, its absolutely Religious promotion and liberty in Religion we don't have liberty in. The article likes those familiar words should look into it.
Its simple the Government doesn't get money from the Churches. It doesn't get to promote its viewpoint like most of these nations got the reigns on religion.
the term comes from Jefferson in a letter he wrote. Simple explanation, he did not want a national religion or the government to control the church.
Whats he call about 70 million Catholics in here? Did the Church require a permission slip? ever? They're messing up everything, I've posted, they'll let in Catholics and Orthodox and they stamped out the idea they broke the Church in half in the Reformed?
Quote from: MikeDwight on October 07, 2020, 05:22:15 PM
Whats he call about 70 million Catholics in here? Did the Church require a permission slip? ever? They're messing up everything, I've posted, they'll let in Catholics and Orthodox and they stamped out the idea they broke the Church in half in the Reformed?
This guy is totally incoherent.
What is this incoherent? Lets gift Jefferson to Phillipines, Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Lithuania, Look! Catholic Church! Before you call that Crusade with the Spanish and Portugues and Teutonic Knights, we observe a Montezuman Separation of Church and State. They let in 70 million catholics we've never had in the United States. They said 'they simply can't allow' Any religion here in the darkness of Slavery, Eisenhower's 1st address. The Presbyterian Church was 7 million people right then, now whatever it is they're trying to do is 2 million, more than that, it used to be the whole Country, Americans, Scots, Dutch, slaves, the Germans mostly in the Reformed School Too, I guess Amish. Well, its way too far that its "Cute" the Pope is applauded down the aisle like the minister of Congress, that would be John Witherspoon the first moderator of the Presbyterian Church in the United States.
Just so you know, Separation of Church and State, rough around the edges, unconstitutional.
Quote from: MikeDwight on October 08, 2020, 05:37:25 AM
What is this incoherent? Lets gift Jefferson to Phillipines, Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Lithuania, Look! Catholic Church! Before you call that Crusade with the Spanish and Portugues and Teutonic Knights, we observe a Montezuman Separation of Church and State. They let in 70 million catholics we've never had in the United States. They said 'they simply can't allow' Any religion here in the darkness of Slavery, Eisenhower's 1st address. The Presbyterian Church was 7 million people right then, now whatever it is they're trying to do is 2 million, more than that, it used to be the whole Country, Americans, Scots, Dutch, slaves, the Germans mostly in the Reformed School Too, I guess Amish. Well, its way too far that its "Cute" the Pope is applauded down the aisle like the minister of Congress, that would be John Witherspoon the first moderator of the Presbyterian Church in the United States.
Just so you know, Separation of Church and State, rough around the edges, unconstitutional.
Finally you said something! Granted, you're full of shit, but at least you made a qualifying statement.
Govt has no Right to dictate the grounds for worship, so the people, created a document barring govt from interfering.
The people ratified our Republic!
How is that unconstitutional?
The States ratified a Unionist Republic Constitution. That's why there's signatures on it like the States uniting around a Declaration of Independence, or other forms of government over those territories. Its a rule of thumb in unofficial letters that has developed "Separation of Church and State", that not a Constitutional Amendment, it is probably Unconstitutional. In fact, as far as not taxing Churches, providing for freedom of speech, assembly, worship, the State has led Church to the present day. That 1st Amendment freedom is an Active principle, not passive, its not "Laicite", its not drowning nudes tied together in a "Republican Marriage", you Can Only be married by a national Judge, you could have a religious ceremony of no force and then visit the court judge in France. It is an Active force that is actively policing that you are Allowed freedom of assembly.
Quote from: MikeDwight on October 08, 2020, 06:30:06 AM
The States ratified a Unionist Republic Constitution. That's why there's signatures on it like the States uniting around a Declaration of Independence, or other forms of government over those territories. Its a rule of thumb in unofficial letters that has developed "Separation of Church and State", that not a Constitutional Amendment, it is probably Unconstitutional. In fact, as far as not taxing Churches, providing for freedom of speech, assembly, worship, the State has led Church to the present day. That 1st Amendment freedom is an Active principle, not passive, its not "Laicite", its not drowning nudes tied together in a "Republican Marriage", you Can Only be married by a national Judge, you could have a religious ceremony of no force and then visit the court judge in France. It is an Active force that is actively policing that you are Allowed freedom of assembly.
Wow, a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing! If not for the Bill of Rights, there would be no Constitution!
The BofR was a guard against the govt, a stand alone protection of Gods Law, the Right to assemble, the Right to speak openly in holding the govt accountable, the Right to back up said speech with arms!
The people knew they had certain inalienable Rights not granted by govt, rather a higher power!
That's where our Rights come from, not govt! Do you even understand our Constitution? I guessing English is not your first language.
In fact, if two people together for life were slightly Natural, slightly secular and discoverable and institutable by Government, the idea is undermined at the outset, Napoleon wrote of his girlfriends to Josephine, and Josephine wrote of boyfriends. Nicolas Sarkosy, what infamy, elected in his 2nd marriage out of preference, he basically paraded around his new beach model his whole presidency, why doesn't France think it and its institutions are Jokes?
Look around, that's the mirrored discussion today in the United States, of course. I've heard that Bill of Rights can take large credit from the English Bill of Rights. Not to imply anything racist, we openly should show that George Washington and many saw themselves as suboordinated to inalienable rights that had been established through Protestantism, or as Englishmen.
Quote from: MikeDwight on October 08, 2020, 07:03:26 AM
In fact, if two people together for life were slightly Natural, slightly secular and discoverable and institutable by Government, the idea is undermined at the outset, Napoleon wrote of his girlfriends to Josephine, and Josephine wrote of boyfriends. Nicolas Sarkosy, what infamy, elected in his 2nd marriage out of preference, he basically paraded around his new beach model his whole presidency, why doesn't France think it and its institutions are Jokes?
Look around, that's the mirrored discussion today in the United States, of course. I've heard that Bill of Rights can take large credit from the English Bill of Rights. Not to imply anything racist, we openly should show that George Washington and many saw themselves as suboordinated to inalienable rights that had been established through Protestantism, or as Englishmen.
I suggest you respond to my query, you are not bringing anything new to the discussion, just shrouded obfuscations in hopes of muddying the waters enough to confuse the audience.
My patience is running thin!
There is hardly ANY obfuscation anywhere intended. What did I do to you? In fact, there is only one battle perhaps all Christianity should even pay attention to its...
"Viva la Vida" latin translation "Live the life" by Coldplay, in praise of Napoleon.
and "Waterloo" by Abba in praise of the Nations responsible for Napoleon's downfall.
That explains the Current alignments in Europe perfectly, between this Republican tricolor flag movement and the historical Monarchies throughout Northern Europe.
That explains World Christianity and its problems, or do you falsely believe it is the United States in Christianity, it is World Christianity that is in the United States. Separation of Church and State obviously has meant as I've meant by all my posts that we are allowed ignorance to the Christian political force.
Quote from: MikeDwight on October 08, 2020, 07:14:49 AM
There is hardly ANY obfuscation anywhere intended. What did I do to you? In fact, there is only one battle perhaps all Christianity should even pay attention to its...
"Viva la Vida" latin translation "Live the life" by Coldplay, in praise of Napoleon.
and "Waterloo" by Abba in praise of the Nations responsible for Napoleon's downfall.
That explains the Current alignments in Europe perfectly, between this Republican tricolor flag movement and the historical Monarchies throughout Northern Europe.
That explains World Christianity and its problems, or do you falsely believe it is the United States in Christianity, it is World Christianity that is in the United States. Separation of Church and State obviously has meant as I've meant by all my posts that we are allowed ignorance to the Christian political force.
So you think govt should dictate what religion should be allowed, that the people aren't smart enough to decide for themselves, regardless of the fact that the majority of the population agreed upon Judaeo Christian values, or the fact that they didn't prohibit other beliefs be stifled ?
Your argument was never about the First Amendment, your issue is with Christians in general, all the while ignoring the blood lust of Muscums.
Unarguably, the US Constitution is superior to every form of govt historically and present.
They have to be interested in the religion of our people Softly. Editing our religion started with Dwight Eisenhower, really. I don't see him as a true continuance of Abraham Lincoln, that seems false. Did you follow "Southern Presbyterianism" and that it disappeared? It "Ecumenically" "joined", administrative bureaucracy, that thing? right... Not really.
The Dwight Eisenhower vision is even the Muslims and Faith and "In God We Trust" as a motto all Faith is defeating Communists. Governor George Wallace said plenty on Communists being bad , So, I Don't understand the side project.
The US Constitution is an infinitely long edited document of usurpation to the States, which Alabama Constitution has tended to understand for well over 150 years.
Quote from: MikeDwight on October 08, 2020, 07:32:57 AM
They have to be interested in the religion of our people Softly. Editing our religion started with Dwight Eisenhower, really. I don't see him as a true continuance of Abraham Lincoln, that seems false. Did you follow "Southern Presbyterianism" and that it disappeared? It "Ecumenically" "joined", administrative bureaucracy, that thing? right... Not really.
The Dwight Eisenhower vision is even the Muslims and Faith and "In God We Trust" as a motto all Faith is defeating Communists. Governor George Wallace said plenty on Communists being bad , So, I Don't understand the side project.
The US Constitution is an infinitely long edited document of usurpation to the States, which Alabama Constitution has tended to understand for well over 150 years.
If you're boring me, you're boring our audience. Quit evading and answer my queries, or you'll find yourself outside looking in!
Government already dictates heavily the religion around today, entering into the Sanctuary and tossing things around, thinking the people aren't smart enough to decide for themselves .I'm Surprised they'll allow Korean Presbyterians the Moment of Respite from landing on our shores to even collect a breath, before being thrown helplessly at competitions in this American Empire. I designed that to more directly answer you. Didn't 'the army enter with rifles to desegregate our Churches" said Strom Thurmond, you see the slightest sympathy to a 6 year old daughter of the South would be illegal, might their constitution be improved if they had grades and standing compared with a black man, things would be better?
Quote from: MikeDwight on October 08, 2020, 07:41:42 AM
Government already dictates heavily the religion around today, entering into the Sanctuary and tossing things around, thinking the people aren't smart enough to decide for themselves .I'm Surprised they'll allow Korean Presbyterians the Moment of Respite from landing on our shores to even collect a breath, before being thrown helplessly at competitions in this American Empire. I designed that to more directly answer you. Didn't 'the army enter with rifles to desegregate our Churches" said Strom Thurmond, you see the slightest sympathy to a 6 year old daughter of the South would be illegal, might their constitution be improved if they had grades and standing compared with a black man, things would be better?
I warned you about avoiding my questions! Take a hike!
Mike is just venting/pontiificating - let him rant. His words are hard to follow, but he sounds very Rightish.
Quote from: Skull on October 08, 2020, 07:59:50 AM
Mike is just venting/pontiificating - let him rant. His words are hard to follow, but he sounds very Rightish.
Nah, he's anti Christian, and this is not the section for this. He refused to actual debate, instead went on innocuous tangents about religion.
The title is "Separation of Church and State", he refused to engage in actual debate, so he's gone!
It may already have been said but, if so, I'll reiterate it. There is absolutely nothing in the U.S. Constitution about "separation of church and state". The U.S. Constitution was designed so that individuals were free to worship or abstain from worship as they wanted. The U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion NOT freedom FROM religion!