The Future, in many respects, is clear.
There will be far fewer jobs.
It began with the Industrial Revolution, and has continued, unabated.
The early 1900's saw the collapse of the Family Farm, as Farming By Machine meant far fewer farmers were needed to produce food.
And slowly, other simple jobs are disappearing. Elevator Operators, Toll Collectors, Cashiers.
Very soon, Cabbies. Then Truck Drivers.
Fast Food Workers will decline dramatically.
Eventually even Construction will revolutionize, as Buildings, Roads, Bridges will be "printed" by thousands to millions of tiny "termite" or "ant" robots, working in unison, under computer guidance.
Sadly, the results of idleness are already far too clear. In our Inner Cities, Drugs, Gangs, Perversions rule, as Humans lose their sense of purpose.
I fear Hell is more likely than Utopia, at least for the masses.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PM
The Future, in many respects, is clear.
There will be far fewer jobs.
It began with the Industrial Revolution, and has continued, unabated.
The early 1900's saw the collapse of the Family Farm, as Farming By Machine meant far fewer farmers were needed to produce food.
And slowly, other simple jobs are disappearing. Elevator Operators, Toll Collectors, Cashiers.
Very soon, Cabbies. Then Truck Drivers.
Fast Food Workers will decline dramatically.
Eventually even Construction will revolutionize, as Buildings, Roads, Bridges will be "printed" by thousands to millions of tiny "termite" or "ant" robots, working in unison, under computer guidance.
Sadly, the results of idleness are already far too clear. In our Inner Cities, Drugs, Gangs, Perversions rule, as Humans lose their sense of purpose.
I fear Hell is more likely than Utopia, at least for the masses.
Necessity is the mother of invention. Adjustments can be made by those willing to do so.
Your synopsis could be a democrat talking point. There is no hope, but depend on us to sustain you.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PM
The Future, in many respects, is clear.
There will be far fewer jobs.
It began with the Industrial Revolution, and has continued, unabated.
The early 1900's saw the collapse of the Family Farm, as Farming By Machine meant far fewer farmers were needed to produce food.
And slowly, other simple jobs are disappearing. Elevator Operators, Toll Collectors, Cashiers.
Very soon, Cabbies. Then Truck Drivers.
Fast Food Workers will decline dramatically.
Eventually even Construction will revolutionize, as Buildings, Roads, Bridges will be "printed" by thousands to millions of tiny "termite" or "ant" robots, working in unison, under computer guidance.
Sadly, the results of idleness are already far too clear. In our Inner Cities, Drugs, Gangs, Perversions rule, as Humans lose their sense of purpose.
I fear Hell is more likely than Utopia, at least for the masses.
Do you realize how crazy you sound? Study up on Adam Smith's "invisible hand".
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PM
The Future, in many respects, is clear.
There will be far fewer jobs.
It began with the Industrial Revolution, and has continued, unabated.
The early 1900's saw the collapse of the Family Farm, as Farming By Machine meant far fewer farmers were needed to produce food.
And slowly, other simple jobs are disappearing. Elevator Operators, Toll Collectors, Cashiers.
Very soon, Cabbies. Then Truck Drivers.
Fast Food Workers will decline dramatically.
Eventually even Construction will revolutionize, as Buildings, Roads, Bridges will be "printed" by thousands to millions of tiny "termite" or "ant" robots, working in unison, under computer guidance.
Sadly, the results of idleness are already far too clear. In our Inner Cities, Drugs, Gangs, Perversions rule, as Humans lose their sense of purpose.
I fear Hell is more likely than Utopia, at least for the masses.
And strangely enough, we survived and thrived.
Quote from: Solar on December 21, 2015, 08:18:31 AM
And strangely enough, we survived and thrived.
Surviving ? Yes.
Thriving ? Depend of the definition.
Quote from: taxed on December 21, 2015, 06:54:56 AM
Do you realize how crazy you sound? Study up on Adam Smith's "invisible hand".
Oh, I have.
What I expect to happen, is as "Robots" become universal, and the Human Masses less and less useful, the Ruling Class will increase efforts towards Abortion and Birth Control.
Homosexuality is another proven method which leads to population decrease.
Already huge numbers of Americans are useful to them for ONE THING ONLY - A VOTE.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 21, 2015, 05:37:23 PM
What I expect to happen, is as "Robots" become universal, and the Human Masses less and less useful, the Ruling Class will increase efforts towards Abortion and Birth Control.
Homosexuality is another proven method which leads to population decrease.
Already huge numbers of Americans are useful to them for ONE THING ONLY - A VOTE.
I must say you do have a shitty out look on life. They have been saying that for over 90+ years that I know of. :lol: Today I was in town, there was no less then 15 help wanted on doors or windows.
No, no shitty outlook. If you don't know the enemy, how can you battle him ?
There IS a way to defeat the evils Technology will bring.
I'm uncertain what the solution is, but ignoring the problem it IS NOT the answer.
Understanding the Elite want to ELIMINATE the Middle Class is the first step.
This is true in America, Venezuela, Mexico, everywhere.
And DISARMING the Middle Class makes us SLAVES.
Think about it - you live in some tiny village in Eastern Germany. Merkel decides to flood you with Muslims, who now beat, rape, and rob with impunity. This IS what is happening NOW.
How do you fight back without weapons ?
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Quote from: SalemCat on December 21, 2015, 07:49:33 PM
No, no shitty outlook. If you don't know the enemy, how can you battle him ?
There IS a way to defeat the evils Technology will bring.
I'm uncertain what the solution is, but ignoring the problem it IS NOT the answer.
Understanding the Elite want to ELIMINATE the Middle Class is the first step.
This is true in America, Venezuela, Mexico, everywhere.
And DISARMING the Middle Class makes us SLAVES.
Think about it - you live in some tiny village in Eastern Germany. Merkel decides to flood you with Muslims, who now beat, rape, and rob with impunity. This IS what is happening NOW.
How do you fight back without weapons ?
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The "Andy Syndrome" is alive and well.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PM
The Future, in many respects, is clear.
There will be far fewer jobs.
It began with the Industrial Revolution, and has continued, unabated.
The early 1900's saw the collapse of the Family Farm, as Farming By Machine meant far fewer farmers were needed to produce food.
And slowly, other simple jobs are disappearing. Elevator Operators, Toll Collectors, Cashiers.
Very soon, Cabbies. Then Truck Drivers.
Fast Food Workers will decline dramatically.
Eventually even Construction will revolutionize, as Buildings, Roads, Bridges will be "printed" by thousands to millions of tiny "termite" or "ant" robots, working in unison, under computer guidance.
Sadly, the results of idleness are already far too clear. In our Inner Cities, Drugs, Gangs, Perversions rule, as Humans lose their sense of purpose.
I fear Hell is more likely than Utopia, at least for the masses.
30 years ago, the job I do today didn't exist, but 30 years from now, it'll still exist. New Technology is creating new jobs, daily.
The fiber optic communications is still a developing technology - which CHINA is stealing, but American companies are continuing to fund and develop at a breath-taking pace... very competitive. The data centers don't even measure capacity in bandwidth, it's measured in megawatts (yes, really... electrical consumption).
When an individual turns OFF the TV & movies, it doesn't take long before a man will start tinkering, a woman putzing ... and they start thinking of "shortcuts" - vacuuming rugs instead of dragging them outside and beating them, for instance.
Or making chicken feeders out of PVC pipe & dragging portable coops around a city backyard... growing hanging tomatoes in an arbor, selling produce at a farmer's market, or to gourmet restaurants - it ain't high-tech, but it is an idea that fits nicely in somebody's lifestyle.
The most inventive people I know are Farmers and HAM radio enthusiasts. At a local restaurant about 20-30 of these guys & gals get together, and exchange stories, projects, ideas - some crazy, zany, and some are just bold enough to try! Average age would be about 70, I'd guess (they're retired). Some of those inventions are theirs, but most of the ideas are just expanding on some one elses' concept. And there's alot more over the horizon for those with a little vision to see the future is bright.
One other thing...
a young Buck has met his match when he goes up against one of these old farts in a HAM radio contest... Took me 4 years to beat this one 87 year old, without cheating, mind you...
I think he let me win one. Maybe his wife got to him (let him win one sweetie, he's barely 60, and trying so hard...),
and he threw me a bone...!? But when I saw that look in his eye, squinting -real- tight, "
You realize, son... this means -war- "...
I kept myself from hollering, "GAME ON, you old fart!"... and replied, "You're still the best, I got lucky". It's precision honed wisdom -vs- unbridled enthusiasm, fighting it out over the airwaves.
However, the news is not so good for Country Music, nope... as the Truck Drivers vanish, a whole genre will peter out... so sad. :ttoung:
P.S. stop watching those stupid futuristic sci-fi movies, they're not entertainment - it's brainwashing, and you're missing all the fun stuff.
Quote from: Hoofer on January 06, 2016, 06:28:09 PM
30 years ago, the job I do today didn't exist, but 30 years from now, it'll still exist. New Technology is creating new jobs, daily.
The fiber optic communications is still a developing technology - which CHINA is stealing, but American companies are continuing to fund and develop at a breath-taking pace... very competitive. The data centers don't even measure capacity in bandwidth, it's measured in megawatts (yes, really... electrical consumption).
When an individual turns OFF the TV & movies, it doesn't take long before a man will start tinkering, a woman putzing ... and they start thinking of "shortcuts" - vacuuming rugs instead of dragging them outside and beating them, for instance.
Or making chicken feeders out of PVC pipe & dragging portable coops around a city backyard... growing hanging tomatoes in an arbor, selling produce at a farmer's market, or to gourmet restaurants - it ain't high-tech, but it is an idea that fits nicely in somebody's lifestyle.
The most inventive people I know are Farmers and HAM radio enthusiasts. At a local restaurant about 20-30 of these guys & gals get together, and exchange stories, projects, ideas - some crazy, zany, and some are just bold enough to try! Average age would be about 70, I'd guess (they're retired). Some of those inventions are theirs, but most of the ideas are just expanding on some one elses' concept. And there's alot more over the horizon for those with a little vision to see the future is bright.
One other thing... a young Buck has met his match when he goes up against one of these old farts in a HAM radio contest... Took me 4 years to beat this one 87 year old, without cheating, mind you... I think he let me win one. Maybe his wife got to him (let him win one sweetie, he's barely 60, and trying so hard...), and he threw me a bone...!? But when I saw that look in his eye, squinting -real- tight, "You realize, son... this means -war- "... I kept myself from hollering, "GAME ON, you old fart!"... and replied, "You're still the best, I got lucky". It's precision honed wisdom -vs- unbridled enthusiasm, fighting it out over the airwaves.
However, the news is not so good for Country Music, nope... as the Truck Drivers vanish, a whole genre will peter out... so sad. :ttoung:
P.S. stop watching those stupid futuristic sci-fi movies, they're not entertainment - it's brainwashing, and you're missing all the fun stuff.
As I remember W7DJW was my uncle call latters. Way back when I was a very young pup.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 21, 2015, 05:33:00 PM
Oh, I have.
Then you were too freaking stupid for it to take.
Quote from: taxed on December 30, 2015, 09:23:48 PM
Doesn't seem like it.
Try this one on him.
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Quote from: SalemCat on December 21, 2015, 07:49:33 PM
No, no shitty outlook. If you don't know the enemy, how can you battle him ?
There IS a way to defeat the evils Technology will bring.
I'm uncertain what the solution is, but ignoring the problem it IS NOT the answer.
Understanding the Elite want to ELIMINATE the Middle Class is the first step.
Not sure how old you are, but one thing that never changes is "change". I'm confident we will continue to evolve, as will technology. What we have today, that past generations didn't have, are more choices in what we do to earn a living and how we use what we earn. Worrying too much about the future beyond your life span is kind of a waste of time and out of your control.
What's going to happen?
Humankind, and our civilization just as it did with the industrial revolution will change, adapt, evolve.
Or we'll become the next batch of animals to go the way of T-Rex and company.
Rise of the Robots Will Eliminate More Than 5 Million Jobs
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-18/rise-of-the-robots-will-eliminate-more-than-5-million-jobs
Quote from: SalemCat on January 18, 2016, 07:41:33 PM
Rise of the Robots Will Eliminate More Than 5 Million Jobs
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-18/rise-of-the-robots-will-eliminate-more-than-5-million-jobs
Look on the bright side. Someone is going to have to repair them and improve on them. There lucky if the can get a laptop to last over 5 years even now. :lol:
Quote from: SalemCat on January 18, 2016, 07:41:33 PM
Rise of the Robots Will Eliminate More Than 5 Million Jobs
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-18/rise-of-the-robots-will-eliminate-more-than-5-million-jobs
Only 5 mil? :laugh:
Quote from: SalemCat on January 18, 2016, 07:41:33 PM
Rise of the Robots Will Eliminate More Than 5 Million Jobs
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-18/rise-of-the-robots-will-eliminate-more-than-5-million-jobs
And humans will invent 15 million new jobs. Or we could go back to one horse plows and the abacus to make sure there are enough jobs to go around.
Or we can adjust to the freedoms high technology offer us. The 40 hour full-time work week is like the QWERTY keyboard - a left over from previous times - specifically the industrial age. IMO, the attitude of waiting for someone else to offer jobs is also a leftover from the industrial age. The primary reason social norms - to include economic practices - are currently so far behind technological ability is because technological ability has exploded in the past few decades. The lowest end smart phone has more computing power than the entire mission control complex for the Apollo moon missions. In less than 50 years data processing technology has expanded by a full six orders of magnitude, while transportation has expanded by 2 orders of magnitude, communications by 4.
Things change. And when they do, social/economic practices adjust, but often tend to lag behind the changes which drive the need for new social/economic practices. Homo Sapiens is the most adaptable critter in the solar system, and quite possibly in the top ten of this galaxy. Meanwhile, rather than bemoaning the changes that are undoubtedly coming, anticipate and innovate solutions. Those who solve problems are the ones who tend to come out on top.
Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2016, 08:16:14 PM
Only 5 mil? :laugh:
Who's Gonna Take The Garbage? :lol:
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PM
The Future, in many respects, is clear.
There will be far fewer jobs...
At my mother's request I started researching our family tree on AncestryDOTcom in 2008. It has been an absolutely amazing lesson in history.
Occupations that existed at one point in time disappeared, yet the family kept going.
Entire industries were darn near wiped out with the explosion of all things related to the new horseless carriage industry, yet the family moved on.
At least one blacksmith in every town, many in larger cities, all unemployed within a few years, thanks to Mr. Ford et.al. Yet our blacksmiths found other ways to earn a living. Livery stables all but disappeared. Stage coach drivers learned how to drive horseless carriages. Carriage makers became automotive workers. Tens of thousands of jobs opened up in car dealerships all over the country. Gas stations, car repair shops, etc abounded and flourished.
Now let's move forward in time...does anyone remember keypunch operators? They were rendered obsolete when computers came in. Keypunch operators were retrained to become data entry operators. Systems analysts came into being, code writers, computer engineers.
Whatever occupations are obsoleted will be replaced by new ones. The key is to be willing to learn new skills and move forward.
When I obtained my Great-grandparents 1865 marriage application from England I learned that the groom's father was a "Joiner" by occupation. I assumed that I had unearthed yet another ancestor with an obsoleted occupation. What on earth was a joiner? :confused: I asked my Mom. She had no clue. A plumber?...um...no, who had plumbing in 1865? :laugh: A minister?...joining people together in Holy Matrimony? :laugh:
A little research in an antiquated occupation website taught me that a joiner was an term for what we today call a skilled carpenter. So, the occupation did not disappear, just the name did. Just thought I would throw that in for the fun of it. :wink:
My Mom's grandfather is listed in the 1900 Philly census as being a
fireman, what we call Fire Fighter today. I got all excited as it was the first Fire Fighter I had found in our tree. Mom told me she did not remember her grandfather saying anything about ever having been a fireman. I called the Fire Fighter Museum in Philly and asked if they could check their archival records to see if they had a firefighter in 1900 with my great-grandfather's name. God Bless the wonderful volunteer who called me within a few days to sadly break the news that my ancestor had never been a firefighter. He also kindly explained that a "fireman" in 1900 could also be referring to a factory worker who was responsible for feeding the fires that kept the
steam powered machinery going. Yet another occupation that would soon be obsoleted.
I could go on and on about the changes that occur over the years when researching family trees. The important thing is not to worry.
As my Mom used to say, "When God closes a door, He opens a window." :thumbsup:
Sue Ann
Quote from: walkstall on January 18, 2016, 08:30:46 PM
Who's Gonna Take The Garbage? :lol:
And clean the burger flipping machines at McD's? LOL Actually stayed at a hotel that had a pancake machine... it came out on a silicone treadmill thing... awful!
I like my pancakes when the edge is
crispy from a little butter or bacon fat - but this thing was like a squashed hamburger bun.
Oh wait!!! Those robots will need Buggy Whips to keep the people working!
Davos Robot Eclipse
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-19/davos-robot-eclipses-davos-man-as-gloom-descends-on-world-elite
Quote from: SalemCat on January 20, 2016, 04:01:52 AM
Davos Robot Eclipse
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-19/davos-robot-eclipses-davos-man-as-gloom-descends-on-world-elite
OK, so the next high-tech job is fixing robots, rescuing them from perilous places.
Quote from: taxed on January 23, 2016, 05:40:56 AM
Hussein calls that "June"....
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
A good start for the summer....
Interesting Statistic, 38% of of the employers, globally, cannot find qualified applicants - according to the Wall Street Journal Report (radio program, Saturday, Jan 23rd). People lack the skills necessary to perform the work.
Maybe this thread would be better entitled, 'What will happen when there are no qualified job applicants?'
a. wages will go up, because of demand & worker shortage
b. innovative business will come up with ways to simplify the work to meet the ignorance of the labor force.
c. technical colleges will start offering training in the technical fields that lack workers.
d. the doomsayers that sit around all day, smoking dope, will still sit around, lamenting their poor lot in life, while the children of the next generation pass them by, and become the leaders in innovation & invention, wealth generation, etc.
(I'm not worried, my kids are off to a terrific start.)
Quote from: Hoofer on January 23, 2016, 08:08:28 AM
Interesting Statistic, 38% of of the employers, globally, cannot find qualified applicants - according to the Wall Street Journal Report (radio program, Saturday, Jan 23rd). People lack the skills necessary to perform the work.
Maybe this thread would be better entitled, 'What will happen when there are no qualified job applicants?'
a. wages will go up, because of demand & worker shortage
b. innovative business will come up with ways to simplify the work to meet the ignorance of the labor force.
c. technical colleges will start offering training in the technical fields that lack workers.
d. the doomsayers that sit around all day, smoking dope, will still sit around, lamenting their poor lot in life, while the children of the next generation pass them by, and become the leaders in innovation & invention, wealth generation, etc.
(I'm not worried, my kids are off to a terrific start.)
None of this is new. Innovation and motivation have always been the key to changing times. A big hindrance to advancement are unions which desire to maintain the status quo with higher wages. That is a proven failed model. My area used have a significant amount of small manufacturing and we all know what has happened to those jobs in the US. We now have a vibrant beer brewing industry in the area with more craft breweries that I can keep up with. The local community college has begun offering classes in brewing with a partnership with the local breweries. This has provided jobs not only in that industry, but it has also helped tourism which is really a tremendous revenue stream for local communities.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 23, 2016, 09:55:51 AM
None of this is new. Innovation and motivation have always been the key to changing times. A big hindrance to advancement are unions which desire to maintain the status quo with higher wages. That is a proven failed model. My area used have a significant amount of small manufacturing and we all know what has happened to those jobs in the US. We now have a vibrant beer brewing industry in the area with more craft breweries that I can keep up with. The local community college has begun offering classes in brewing with a partnership with the local breweries. This has provided jobs not only in that industry, but it has also helped tourism which is really a tremendous revenue stream for local communities.
There is now over 200 wineries within a 75 mile radius of me. There are 4 within 20 miles of me. Three of them have tasting rooms that my kids enjoy when they come over for a weekend.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 23, 2016, 09:55:51 AM
None of this is new. Innovation and motivation have always been the key to changing times. A big hindrance to advancement are unions which desire to maintain the status quo with higher wages. That is a proven failed model. My area used have a significant amount of small manufacturing and we all know what has happened to those jobs in the US. We now have a vibrant beer brewing industry in the area with more craft breweries that I can keep up with. The local community college has begun offering classes in brewing with a partnership with the local breweries. This has provided jobs not only in that industry, but it has also helped tourism which is really a tremendous revenue stream for local communities.
Actually ... that's kinda funny, because in Eden, NC., Miller-Coors is closing down. All those great union jobs are going away. Driving east on I-40, just past Greensboro, one of those craft breweries is easily seen from the roadway.
Quote from: Hoofer on January 23, 2016, 12:23:30 PM
Actually ... that's kinda funny, because in Eden, NC., Miller-Coors is closing down. All those great union jobs are going away. Driving east on I-40, just past Greensboro, one of those craft breweries is easily seen from the roadway.
What has helped is the support of Sierra Nevada when they opened their brewery here in Henderson County. They have been very supportive of the local "Mom & Pops". In fact, before they opened they flew some locals to their CA brewery to help them. Now Asheville, Hendersonville and Brevard have a very active brewery scene.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PM
The Future, in many respects, is clear.
There will be far fewer jobs.
Salem I don't know that I agree with that. Technological unemployment always seems to follow a pattern.
1.Unskilled labor (or skilled labor with repetitive job duties) lose their jobs because machines can produce product faster and cheaper. Some new jobs are created (or old ones maintained) to maintain or operate the machines.
2. Cost of the product goes down and demand goes up.
3. Companies buy more equipment and hire more people (don't forget support people as they are a big part of this equation!!!!!) to meet the increased demand.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PMThe early 1900's saw the collapse of the Family Farm, as Farming By Machine meant far fewer farmers were needed to produce food.
That may be true but it takes an army of people to distribute and process that food. The distribution and processing create jobs. You know how many people it takes to supply McDonald's with apple turnovers? If you follow that apple from planting to consumption there are a lot of jobs supporting that transition.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PMAnd slowly, other simple jobs are disappearing. Elevator Operators, Toll Collectors, Cashiers.
Elevator operators and toll collectors..... I don't see an issue with those jobs disappearing. Those are NOT career jobs and they really DO NOT develop any kind of skill set. As far as cashier's....... I think a lot of companies still value human contact with their customers.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PMVery soon, Cabbies. Then Truck Drivers.
It is one thing to make a small car drive on a level highway. It is another to drive a multi ton truck on bad roads in the Colorado mountains. Things go wrong with trucks, things that can create dangerous situations. Things a computer would never catch. The trucking companies may try to use autonomous vehicles (and yes I have seen articles about this subject) but I think they will find after a few "accidents" (and lawsuits!!!!!!!!) that it was not such a good idea.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PMFast Food Workers will decline dramatically.
Again, I think a lot of companies still value human contact with their customers.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PMEventually even Construction will revolutionize, as Buildings, Roads, Bridges will be "printed" by thousands to millions of tiny "termite" or "ant" robots, working in unison, under computer guidance.
Faster, better made, less materials used (less waste), and a potential for higher reclamation of "raw materials" (when the building is eventual taken down).
Besides the job losses I see no down side and..... it will probably take an army to support the little "buggers". That will offset the job losses.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PMSadly, the results of idleness are already far too clear. In our Inner Cities, Drugs, Gangs, Perversions rule, as Humans lose their sense of purpose.
I fear Hell is more likely than Utopia, at least for the masses.
I will agree with that but I don't think technological unemployment is responsible for that. I believe it is welfare. We have these issues because stupid people were rewarded for making stupid decisions. What is rewarded is repeated. Welfare is responsible for most of our social issues in this country.
Think about it.
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Blame the architect for making an inefficient design.
The engineer created it to be full, it's the end user that seems to never be able to make up their mind. :biggrin:
Thisglass is an excellent example, because where many see doom and gloom, others see opportunity.
I see machines replacing twice as many jobs, but with every job lost, three are created.
Just think how many looked on as the wheel barrow stole 10 jobs, when it truth, it created efficiency, clearing the way for even more projects to start, allowing the builder to create more openings.
Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PM
The Future, in many respects, is clear.
There will be far fewer jobs.
Sadly, the results of idleness are already far too clear. In our Inner Cities, Drugs, Gangs, Perversions rule, as Humans lose their sense of purpose.
I fear Hell is more likely than Utopia, at least for the masses.
Don't worry, socialism and planned economy will deal with this problem. :wink:
Quote from: kalash on January 24, 2016, 06:00:10 AM
Don't worry, socialism and planned economy will deal with this problem. :wink:
Yeah, kinda like the Dark Ages all over again.
Quote from: kalash on January 24, 2016, 06:00:10 AM
Don't worry, socialism and planned economy will deal with this problem. :wink:
Totally! During the Olympics, you guys really showed the world how awesome your economic system is. Thanks for sharing your pillows with our athletes, by the way. Silly us, we figured there would be enough.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 23, 2016, 12:36:31 PM
What has helped is the support of Sierra Nevada when they opened their brewery here in Henderson County. They have been very supportive of the local "Mom & Pops". In fact, before they opened they flew some locals to their CA brewery to help them. Now Asheville, Hendersonville and Brevard have a very active brewery scene.
A "centralized economy" shelters and protects the unproductive, on the backs of the productive.
I'm a big fan of small business, much more agile than a large business.
While visiting a friend in Dayton, OH last year, we visited a micro-brew they had invested in. It was making money... what can I say - the beer sucked, but, people were buying the stuff. Something about FRUIT in beer .... just can't get useto that... like Mad Dog 20-20.
I'm very optimistic about the economy if it allows for small business startups and growth. Diversity in GNP is a good thing, centralization of the business economy is fraught with corruption and government interference.
While I admire the enthusiasm, there are many, perhaps even the majority, who will forever be "Employees", and never "Employers".
And those who have low-skills will be replaced by robots, and will never be employed.
Should they be euthanized ?
Obviously not, but here is the dilemma.
We currently offer SSI to the retarded who cannot contribute. Let's say their IQ's are 60. Suppose robots can do the jobs of those at 60. Then 70. Then 100.
What happens next ?
Quote from: SalemCat on January 24, 2016, 08:05:28 PM
While I admire the enthusiasm, there are many, perhaps even the majority, who will forever be "Employees", and never "Employers".
And those who have low-skills will be replaced by robots, and will never be employed.
Should they be euthanized ?
Obviously not, but here is the dilemma.
We currently offer SSI to the retarded who cannot contribute. Let's say their IQ's are 60. Suppose robots can do the jobs of those at 60. Then 70. Then 100.
What happens next ?
You sir, have very little faith in man kind. :ohmy:
Quote from: SalemCat on January 24, 2016, 08:05:28 PM
While I admire the enthusiasm, there are many, perhaps even the majority, who will forever be "Employees", and never "Employers".
That always has and will be the case.
Quote from: SalemCat on January 24, 2016, 08:05:28 PMWhat happens next ?
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:biggrin: :thumbsup:
Quote from: SalemCat on January 24, 2016, 08:05:28 PMWhat happens next ?
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:biggrin: :thumbsup:
Quote from: SalemCat on January 24, 2016, 08:05:28 PM
While I admire the enthusiasm, there are many, perhaps even the majority, who will forever be "Employees", and never "Employers".
And those who have low-skills will be replaced by robots, and will never be employed.
Should they be euthanized ?
Obviously not, but here is the dilemma.
We currently offer SSI to the retarded who cannot contribute. Let's say their IQ's are 60. Suppose robots can do the jobs of those at 60. Then 70. Then 100.
What happens next ?
A hungry man has amazing resiliency. You envision an all powerful State, why?
I envision a free and open mkt where one markets their skills, while you see a world full of mindless drones.
See the root of the problem? You look at the world and see people as helpless and in need of socialism.
We don't.
Quote from: SalemCat on January 24, 2016, 08:05:28 PM
While I admire the enthusiasm, there are many, perhaps even the majority, who will forever be "Employees", and never "Employers".
And those who have low-skills will be replaced by robots, and will never be employed.
Should they be euthanized ?
Obviously not, but here is the dilemma.
We currently offer SSI to the retarded who cannot contribute. Let's say their IQ's are 60. Suppose robots can do the jobs of those at 60. Then 70. Then 100.
What happens next ?
They become SALESMEN and regain their self-respect! So employers are too stupid to see value in a individual to hire them, and/or an individual is so stupid they can't say a single positive thing about themselves to get hired....?
Any knucklehead who can sit around a BAR and tell jokes has the basic skills to learn how to market themselves -
they can TALK to people. If my kids can sell a DUCK at a farmer's market to a lady who drove 2 hours looking for a CHICKEN, trust me, anyone who applies themselves can learn how to MARKET themselves. There is absolutely no magic to opening your mouth and speaking, telling someone WHY you like or dislike something, we do it all day long without thinking about it. Make it pay for you, and become the next Donald Trump, selling the "sizzle instead of the steak". ...or selling that next labor saving device, a robot. meh. "We're all gonna LOVE IT...!", Trump says - maybe his wall is a privacy fence from Lowes, or a picket fence from Home Depot. Is Trump selling a vision of a fence (your imagination dreams up) or an actual fence - think about it, he's a salesman.
Let's say you dig through your attic, and fill 5 boxes with unwanted JUNK. For $10 rent, you have a table at a flea market, and put a girl wearing a pretty pink dress with yellow trim, has an IQ of 60 behind that table - on the box is written: "$2 per item, whole box for $25" About all the girl can do is sweetly smile, and hold out her hand to collect money, you actually have to count the change for her. Even out of sympathy, stuff will get sold, it's understanding human nature - a learning process (which in my case, I will never understand my wife and daughters - but nevertheless, I dearly love them).
If one listens to the radio for an hour, they'll hear an ad by a guy, who's suggesting the Dollar is going to collapse, giving a web-site to visit and encouraging people to just give him a listen. The guy made a pile of money, doing the pump-and-dump with penny stocks. Another guy, who can't produce a single thing, BUYS a $150 package of dehydrated food, stuffs a bunch of doom-n-gloom literature in with it, and resells it for a hundred more. You've probably heard his ads on the radio, he says FEMA is hoarding food. (all BS, of course).
On my drive to work, a guy bought a 5 acre lot on the side of a hill, about a year ago. He's been living in a tow trailer for the last year, while he builds a small house into the side of this hill. He's probably doing it as he earns the money to buy materials - debt free. Smart man, IMO. It would not be worth sending a bunch of robots out to build this little homestead for him, and he gets the added satisfaction of doing it himself, with the help from a few of his friends. He's doing what alot of people want to do - with limited resources, limited funds, making his dream come true.
Salem Cat, Robots will eventually be able to replace a person with an Iq like that of Einstein.
And the ability to process information like that, isn't too far off with Computers.
Remember folks. As of now, our computers abilities double about every five years or so. They already have AI's with an intel of about a four year old.
But now I've scared ya, here's what humans will be doing.
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With the advent of holography you can actually feel. And the advancements in V.R. this isn't too far off folks.
Nor is this, which the guys who developed the holograms are intentionally setting out to create.
Ya walk in, it's an empty room like this:
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You access your nifty little personal device, tell the computer what ya want.
And Bam ya got this:
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It's coming folks. :)
http://www.newsweek.com/scientists-have-invented-3d-holograms-289551
Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 24, 2016, 10:43:05 PM
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:biggrin: :thumbsup:
I'm not sure this will not be the inevitable result.
Perhaps Technology IS Adam's Apple.
Quote from: SalemCat on January 25, 2016, 08:41:06 PM
I'm not sure this will not be the inevitable result.
Perhaps Technology IS Adam's Apple.
That post was a joke. I believe your fear of technology is insane personally. That is just the blunt truth.
Scroll to the 33 second mark. This is how you sound to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcklpJARBxw
Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 25, 2016, 09:07:50 PM
That post was a joke. I believe your fear of technology is insane personally. That is just the blunt truth.
Scroll to the 33 second mark. This is how you sound to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcklpJARBxw
Yeah there's no reason to fear it. One thing we always do, with our tech, is include an off switch.
That's what I never got about the Terminator movies, especially the third one for example.
The military creates an A.I. that is given control of our weapons systems, and then after becoming self aware, the A.I. turns our own weapons of war against us.
Why the frick didn't someone just walk over to the wall outlet and pull the plug? The moment the A.I. posed any sort of threat. I know I would have. :lol:
Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 25, 2016, 09:07:50 PM
That post was a joke. I believe your fear of technology is insane personally. That is just the blunt truth.
Scroll to the 33 second mark. This is how you sound to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcklpJARBxw
Sorry, my friend.
The FAMILY GUY crowd is no friend of Conservatives, not Christians. I will not allow my household to watch it.
On the other hand, I DO allow South Park. I don't mind the manner in which they treat Jesus - they humanize Him, and unlike FG, do not mock.
Furthermore, SP has the balls to mock ISLAM, something FG would never do.
Family Guy is cowardly scum.
Quote from: ZQuickSilverZ on January 25, 2016, 09:07:50 PM
That post was a joke. I believe your fear of technology is insane personally. That is just the blunt truth.
Scroll to the 33 second mark. This is how you sound to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcklpJARBxw
And I am not "Afraid" of Technology.
I actually embrace it.
I simply urge everyone to be PREPARED for Techology's "Bounty".
Only then will we be able to turn Technology's promise into a boon, not a bane.
Quote from: SalemCat on January 27, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
Sorry, my friend.
The FAMILY GUY crowd is no friend of Conservatives, not Christians. I will not allow my household to watch it.
On the other hand, I DO allow South Park. I don't mind the manner in which they treat Jesus - they humanize Him, and unlike FG, do not mock.
Furthermore, SP has the balls to mock ISLAM, something FG would never do.
Family Guy is cowardly scum.
SalemCat, I like your response. :thumbsup: I am glad you are here.
Quote from: SalemCat on January 27, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
Sorry, my friend.
The FAMILY GUY crowd is no friend of Conservatives, not Christians. I will not allow my household to watch it.
On the other hand, I DO allow South Park. I don't mind the manner in which they treat Jesus - they humanize Him, and unlike FG, do not mock.
Furthermore, SP has the balls to mock ISLAM, something FG would never do.
Family Guy is cowardly scum.
SP only once, ever showed or mentioned Allah. In fact, if you watch a re-run of it today, they block him out with a black square.
Jesus was a recurring character on the show. They may not in your opinion be mocking Christ, it's a fact they show deference to Islam.
But, that I think this is actually more Comedy Centrals doing, than the creators of SP.
Quote from: SalemCat on January 27, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
Sorry, my friend.
The FAMILY GUY crowd is no friend of Conservatives, not Christians. I will not allow my household to watch it.
Family Guy is cowardly scum.
I can't say I disagree.
Maybe you should reconsider. What better way to "know thy enemy" than watch their "propaganda".
Quote from: SalemCat on January 27, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
On the other hand, I DO allow South Park. I don't mind the manner in which they treat Jesus - they humanize Him, and unlike FG, do not mock.
Furthermore, SP has the balls to mock ISLAM, something FG would never do.
I can't say I agree.
Quote from: SalemCat on January 27, 2016, 08:23:44 PM
And I am not "Afraid" of Technology.
I actually embrace it.
Yeah, I can tell.............
What will happen when there are no jobs?
Killer Robots will hunt your ass down and swiss cheese ya!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3446483/Rogue-Terminators-kill-without-human-orders-use-years-unless-global-ban.html
QuoteAs reported in the Sunday Times, Wallach said: 'One of the concerns voiced by critics of military robots is the prospect that robotic weaponry will lower the psychological barriers to starting wars.
'Another major concern is that robotic fighting machines in the relatively near future could autonomously initiate lethal activity.'
... Hey, Term... did you hear those coyotes last night? Yeah? stand guard over the chicken coop, would ya, and bring in another stack of wood for the fireplace, after you finish vacuuming and making my bed. Thanks, man - er, Tin Man. Why not recharge your batteries, and stomp into the woods, wrestle a bear or something this afternoon - me and the lady want some quiet.
Quote'Can the global economy adapt to greater than 50 percent unemployment?' he asked.
Today there are more than 200,000 industrial robots in the USA and their number continues to rise.
By Vardi's calculation, 10 percent of jobs related to driving in the United States could disappear due to the rise of driverless cars in the coming 25 years.
According to Bart Selman, professor of computer science at Cornell University, 'in the next two or three years, semi-autonomous or autonomous systems will march into our society.'
He listed self-driving cars and trucks, autonomous drones for surveillance and fully automatic trading systems, along with house robots and other kinds of 'intelligence assistance' which make decisions on behalf of humans.
Face Cord - Tin Man, I want the firewood stacked, not this freaking karate chopped pile! You enjoyed yourself, but remember who-pays-the-electric-bill in this cabin. Hey, Tin Man - who's your pick for the Kentucky Derby, got an algorithm for that? You can drive a car, but picking a winner is outside your programming? Whatta I need to do, defrag your memory again...? No face cord, no oil - understood!?
:biggrin: Yeah, I could deal with it.
Quote from: daidalos on January 27, 2016, 10:10:26 PM
SP only once, ever showed or mentioned Allah. In fact, if you watch a re-run of it today, they block him out with a black square.
Jesus was a recurring character on the show. They may not in your opinion be mocking Christ, it's a fact they show deference to Islam.
But, that I think this is actually more Comedy Centrals doing, than the creators of SP.
Yes, the creators of South Park show courage when it comes to Islam. It's Comedy Central that censored the infamous Episodes 200 and 201.
I was able, with some difficulty, to download those episodes from some web site in Slovakia.
Both are quite tame. Proving what worthless cowards Comedy Central really are.
And as far as South Park and Jesus go, their Jesus is MY Jesus. Not a wussie-man as He is so often portrayed, but a real human being. The real Jesus was obviously charismatic and respected - so much so the ESTABLISHMENT murdered Him.
Quote from: Hoofer on February 14, 2016, 08:23:46 AM
What will happen when there are no jobs?
There will always be jobs. Why? Robots don't buy refrigerators and automobiles.
It makes little sense to rattle out 20,000 widgets an hour using a robot if nobody's buying them.
I was reading something once where they presented the future as seen by the 1950s authors and artists.
"We were arrogant," he said. "Then 90% of the world made its living scratching dirt. By the end of the next century, 90% of the world will still make its living scratching dirt."
No jobs, no revenue from income taxes. Where does that leave the federal government?
The 'what if' scenarios are fun to bat around. At least, the realistic ones are fun. This one isn't even close to realistic. :rolleyes:
Smart people start businesses, there will always be those looking for a job - because such a small percentage of us are willing to risk failure and launch into the world of self-employment.
Quote from: Ghoulardi on September 12, 2016, 09:26:56 AM
There will always be jobs. Why? Robots don't buy refrigerators and automobiles.
It makes little sense to rattle out 20,000 widgets an hour using a robot if nobody's buying them.
I was reading something once where they presented the future as seen by the 1950s authors and artists.
"We were arrogant," he said. "Then 90% of the world made its living scratching dirt. By the end of the next century, 90% of the world will still make its living scratching dirt."
Back in my days growing up on the farm, 10 acres was a average small farm. Today it all changed. Now Small family farms average 231 acres; large family farms average 1,421 acres and the very large farm average acreage is 2,086.
My Neighbor farms just over 5000 acres. A football field not counting the end zones is 1.1 acres. So you can see how things have changed in just my life time.
Quote from: walkstall on September 12, 2016, 08:41:10 PM
Back in my days growing up on the farm, 10 acres was a average small farm. Today it all changed. Now Small family farms average 231 acres; large family farms average 1,421 acres and the very large farm average acreage is 2,086.
My Neighbor farms just over 5000 acres. A football field not counting the end zones is 1.1 acres. So you can see how things have changed in just my life time.
And the typical City-Dweller has absolutely no comprehension nor gratitude for what you and your neighbors do for them.