The EMPIRE Energy Project is something that few people know about yet, but I hope to change that in the coming months. We have captured lightning, and the world needs to know. Learn all about it, and then post your feedback here. go to empirena DOT com and learn about the future of energy. We hope you will join our cause and help us develop energy independence for the USA.
Solar your up. ;D What do you think.
Quote from: Markaminc on February 02, 2011, 08:24:34 AM
The EMPIRE Energy Project is something that few people know about yet, but I hope to change that in the coming months. We have captured lightning, and the world needs to know. Learn all about it, and then post your feedback here. go to empirena DOT com and learn about the future of energy. We hope you will join our cause and help us develop energy independence for the USA.
Don't just post and run.... discuss it. GET BACK HERE RIGHT NOW MISTER!!
Quote from: walkstall on February 02, 2011, 08:31:59 AM
Solar your up. ;D What do you think.
I just checked it out, yes, it's feasible but, like everything, it has it road blocks.
Bottom line is, nuclear is still the cheapest way to go, that is if Gov got the Hell out of the way.
I like that these guys are thinking out of the box, but think of it like an array of solar panels that could generate enough power to run a city, but only got sun light for 5 seconds a day, that is what lightning does in this process, but they are trying to use it to create hydrogen, if they can somehow buffer the power and slow the process down, it just may work, but that is costly and again, not cost effective when compared to nuclear.
Bottom line, if we can get Gov out of the private energy sector, we would have more energy than we would be able to use generated by nuclear.
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2011, 07:10:57 PM
I just checked it out, yes, it's feasible but, like everything, it has it road blocks.
Bottom line is, nuclear is still the cheapest way to go, that is if Gov got the Hell out of the way.
I like that these guys are thinking out of the box, but think of it like an array of solar panels that could generate enough power to run a city, but only got sun light for 5 seconds a day, that is what lightning does in this process, but they are trying to use it to create hydrogen, if they can somehow buffer the power and slow the process down, it just may work, but that is costly and again, not cost effective when compared to nuclear.
Bottom line, if we can get Gov out of the private energy sector, we would have more energy than we would be able to use generated by nuclear.
I like when people thinking out of the box. 8)
Thanks Solar. ;D
Maybe we can hook them up with AF's perpetual motion solution....
hahahaha
Well glad to see someone is looking at it, but sorry to se that they didnt read carefully. The cost to killawatt for the EMPIRE project is about 2000 times better than Nuclear, and it collects energy 24/7/365. True, lightning happens only sparadicaly, but the charged ions in the atmosphere are there at ALL times. They are more than suffecient to produce viable power plant levels of electricity in several thousands of locations, not every spot on earth, but in more than enough to be viable to almost everyone on the planet. Remember, we dont need lightning, we just need the charged ions, and they are everywhere at all times. Read the infomation again, and think it through, I believe you will find its truly the power of the future.
Markamic, feel free to post links to your site and where we can get up to speed on your technology...
Quote from: Markaminc on February 03, 2011, 11:36:16 PM
Well glad to see someone is looking at it, but sorry to se that they didnt read carefully. The cost to killawatt for the EMPIRE project is about 2000 times better than Nuclear, and it collects energy 24/7/365. True, lightning happens only sparadicaly, but the charged ions in the atmosphere are there at ALL times. They are more than suffecient to produce viable power plant levels of electricity in several thousands of locations, not every spot on earth, but in more than enough to be viable to almost everyone on the planet. Remember, we dont need lightning, we just need the charged ions, and they are everywhere at all times. Read the infomation again, and think it through, I believe you will find its truly the power of the future.
Yes and no Mark, the air is charged at all times, but only certain areas of the Planet hold a charge long enough to be viable.
I live in the Sierra Nevada mountains in Northern Ca. I would say that about 5% of the year does the air hold an high enough charge to be usable.
This is the only reason that you will have issues finding backers, the Mid West makes more sense, but even there, the air isn't always charged enough to make this a viable source of energy.
The loss alone through capacitance requires a highly charged atmosphere to be conducive to extraction of ions, which generally collect higher above the ground in the Ionosphere.
But the problem you run into with collecting energy out of the air, is usable voltages, you may get enough to excite an fluorescent bulb, but that is about it, without a highly charged atmosphere, like one ready to give of a charge in the form of a lightning strike, you would never be able to generate enough to charge a AAA battery.
I appreciate the leap you guys are trying to take here, but Viable?
One other point Mark, you really need to turn off that flashing logo, it is not only distracting, but every page has it and it quickly becomes irritating, it actually drove me away.
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Quote from: taxed on February 03, 2011, 11:59:26 PM
Markamic, feel free to post links to your site and where we can get up to speed on your technology...
Here ya go, the pages load slow for me, but a may be my server.
http://www.empirena.com/ (http://www.empirena.com/)
Viable...YES. That's the difference between old technology and what we have. Our collectors and management circuit does a much better job at gathering the power from the charged ions. We have used this to collect usable power from sea level positions and done a lot more than just excite a simple light bulb. We are talking about continually collecting a similar amount of power as produced by a commercial powerplant 24/7/365 from many places around the USA, and even more in other countries.
Granted, some places will not be viable as continual power, but in those we are still a much improved lightning suppression technology, and that alone is worth a lot by protecting equipment and property. As listed on the site, lightning alley in Florida is a perfect example of where this technology shines the brightest. There are a few dozen places where that quantity of power is available to us because of the tremendous improvement we have made with the collection process. Its not theory, we have proven this continually for over 4 years.
Sorry you don't like the banner...I am sure the graphics guy will be devastated...lol
Quote from: Markaminc on February 04, 2011, 04:02:41 PM
Viable...YES. That's the difference between old technology and what we have. Our collectors and management circuit does a much better job at gathering the power from the charged ions. We have used this to collect usable power from sea level positions and done a lot more than just excite a simple light bulb. We are talking about continually collecting a similar amount of power as produced by a commercial powerplant 24/7/365 from many places around the USA, and even more in other countries.
Granted, some places will not be viable as continual power, but in those we are still a much improved lightning suppression technology, and that alone is worth a lot by protecting equipment and property. As listed on the site, lightning alley in Florida is a perfect example of where this technology shines the brightest. There are a few dozen places where that quantity of power is available to us because of the tremendous improvement we have made with the collection process. Its not theory, we have proven this continually for over 4 years.
Sorry you don't like the banner...I am sure the graphics guy will be devastated...lol
Well good luck, I mean that, I know you have quite a climb ahead of you, especially now that the Pubs are in charge, so to speak, they will bring some sanity back to our energy problems created by the leftists.
So hopefully the price of energy, and it's production will be easier to deal with.
But as to your banner flashing, I was serious when I said it drove me away, if you could stop it's animation on the other pages, you might keep people on your site longer.
Think of it as a little kid trying to get your attention while you are trying to concentrate.
I wish you guys luck, I have an very old friend doing something along the same lines as you, they are using opposing metals in the form of tuning forks if I'm not mistaken, trying to draw energy from the surround Earth and air..
Maybe you've heard of him, Kirk Thomas?
Mark, you have a welcome thread on the political forum, and check your PM (private messages).
What about draining the van Allen belts? Isn't that a free renewable resource? Not only that, but the radiation from the van Allen belts pose great danger to anybody going up in space. The ideal means to overcome the gravity well is the space elevator, but the van Allen belts would require excessive shielding for that. Draining the belts could kill both birds with one stone. I just don't know how much energy we would get from that...
Quote from: MFA on February 08, 2011, 06:18:40 PM
What about draining the van Allen belts? Isn't that a free renewable resource? Not only that, but the radiation from the van Allen belts pose great danger to anybody going up in space. The ideal means to overcome the gravity well is the space elevator, but the van Allen belts would require excessive shielding for that. Draining the belts could kill both birds with one stone. I just don't know how much energy we would get from that...
As much as I love energy exploration, that is one area we need to leave alone, (IMO).
The Van Allen belt is our shield from radiation, without it, life on Earth would look very different. :o :D
Glad to see you posting MFA.
Quote from: Solar on February 08, 2011, 06:25:22 PM
As much as I love energy exploration, that is one area we need to leave alone, (IMO).
The Van Allen belt is our shield from radiation, without it, life on Earth would look very different. :o :D
Glad to see you posting MFA.
Yeah, I learned about the Van Allen belts when I was doing research on the Moon landing stuff... As I understand it, things would suck without that belt.
Quote from: taxed on February 08, 2011, 06:39:17 PM
Yeah, I learned about the Van Allen belts when I was doing research on the Moon landing stuff... As I understand it, things would suck without that belt.
Can you say "Cave Dwellers"? :D
Quote from: Solar on February 08, 2011, 08:21:22 PM
Can you say "Cave Dwellers"? :D
I guess we would have to buy up a lot of sunblock!
Quote from: Solar on February 08, 2011, 06:25:22 PM
As much as I love energy exploration, that is one area we need to leave alone, (IMO).
The Van Allen belt is our shield from radiation, without it, life on Earth would look very different. :o :D
From what I understand, the Van Allen belt
is the radiation, diverted from its natural course by our magnetic field. So the magnetic field is the true shield and the Van Allen belt appears to be "free energy."
QuoteGlad to see you posting MFA.
Nice to see you. :)
Quote from: MFA on February 09, 2011, 01:44:00 PM
From what I understand, the Van Allen belt is the radiation, diverted from its natural course by our magnetic field. So the magnetic field is the true shield and the Van Allen belt appears to be "free energy."
Nice to see you. :)
I understand, but it's the energy that keeps it stable, if we start messing with the one component that protects virtually all life on the planet, there may be no reversing it's effects.
We really know very little about the Van Allen belt, it wasn't all that long ago, when we could look up in the sky, and not see one satellite.
Think of it like the great Saharan Forest, and look how that turned out. ::) ;) ;D
Quote from: Solar on February 10, 2011, 06:33:09 AM
I understand, but it's the energy that keeps it stable, if we start messing with the one component that protects virtually all life on the planet, there may be no reversing it's effects.
We really know very little about the Van Allen belt, it wasn't all that long ago, when we could look up in the sky, and not see one satellite.
Think of it like the great Saharan Forest, and look how that turned out. ::) ;) ;D
Can you give me a "for instance" of what might happen?
(...if I use it in a story and get it published, I'll credit you...)
Quote from: MFA on February 11, 2011, 05:36:13 PM
Can you give me a "for instance" of what might happen?
(...if I use it in a story and get it published, I'll credit you...)
Well now, if I knew that answer, that would make me ..ummm, like smart, or something. ;D
I have actually pondered the idea over the decades, but like understanding infinity, it's really a hard subject to grasp, I just know we shouldn't mess with what we don't understand.
Quote from: Solar on February 12, 2011, 08:05:34 AM
Well now, if I knew that answer, that would make me ..ummm, like smart, or something. ;D
I have actually pondered the idea over the decades, but like understanding infinity, it's really a hard subject to grasp, I just know we shouldn't mess with what we don't understand.
Back in my college days, I roomed with a guy who enjoyed arguing over some pretty off-the-wall stuff. One of his favorites went something like this: "What is space? If we define space as the absence of matter, what is the absence of space?" The arguments could go on for hours -- if the beer held out...
:P :P :P
Quote from: tbone0106 on February 13, 2011, 08:32:53 AM
Back in my college days, I roomed with a guy who enjoyed arguing over some pretty off-the-wall stuff. One of his favorites went something like this: "What is space? If we define space as the absence of matter, what is the absence of space?" The arguments could go on for hours -- if the beer held out...
:P :P :P
I liked Bill Cosby's "Why Is There Air" question.
I'm sure you remember that skit from 63?
God, yes. It's for filling basketballs and footballs and volleyballs, right? Jeez that's a LONG time ago! :P :P :P