This is very confusing. 10,000 remains. Yes very confusing.

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An Indiana serial killer's property was found to contain 10,000 "burnt and crushed" human remains.

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Serial killer Herb Baumeister is believed to have murdered at least 25 people from the late 1980s to the early 1990s.

Over 10,000 human remains found on serial killer Herb Baumeister's farm.

Authorities discovered the remains, mostly crushed and burned, on Baumeister's 18-acre property in Westfield. The victims, predominantly teenage boys, and young men were abducted and murdered during the... pic.twitter.com/COZISRrLng

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According to reports, Baumeister mostly targeted gay men in Westfield, Indiana, where he lived.

Authorities have stated that for decades they have still been uncovering remains buried in his property.

The Hamilton County Coroner's Office said that the latest victim they have identified is Jeffery A. Jones, who was reported missing in 1993.

Following Baumeister's 1996 passing, thousands of human remains were found on his property, and Hamilton County Coroner Jeff Jellison reopened the investigation.

Jellison stated that there are four more unidentified DNA profiles that the investigators are working with, making Baumeister's body count now 12.

"Because many of the remains were found burned and crushed, this investigation is extremely challenging," the county coroner said in a statement. "However, the team of law enforcement and forensic specialists working on the case remains committed."

In December 2023, the coroner's office identified victim Allen Livingston, who was 27-years-old when he went missing in August 1993.

Manuel Resendez was identified in January, and he was 34 years-old when he vanished in 1996.

Reports stated that Baumeister would use the farm that his family had moved to in 1988 to hide thousands of decomposed remains, charred bone fragments, and more.

The discovery of his crimes began when his teenage son discovered a skull buried in the trail adjacent to their home and showed it to his mom.

Baumeister's wife ultimately divorced him as it became clearer he was a serial killer. However, she had initially blocked police from searching their property.

He fled to Ontario in 1996 after a warrant was issued for his arrest after police searched the property and dug up the remains of several victims.

He then ended up fatally shooting himself at age 49 while in hiding.

Baumeister was never charged with any of the murders, and he did not admit to any crimes on his suicide note.

According to a report from the FBI released in 2005, while Baumeister was alive, he was living a double life.

He was a working husband and father in one "life," and in the other, he went by the fake name "Brian Smart" and targeted young gay men he met at bars.

Quote from: Solar on June 02, 2024, 10:38:15 AMCool story.
Thank God we don't have that many, only because we're steep and heavily forested, but some of the neighboring open areas have 40 or 50 turkeys sitting in trees.
One neighbor decades ago got hit in the gut by a turkey, knocked  him flat on his ass, said it was like a feathered canon ball.

Turkeys aren't a problem in the least, like you said, they quietly talk amongst themselves, quietly ridding the area of bugs.
Deer? Now that's a problem looking for an incident.

our biggest problem with the deer is accidents. Hogs too. I hit one sow years ago doing seventy, lifted the front tires off the road of my Ram. Demolished the front bumper. Bad day for the pig too. Deer are way too numerous, nobody hunts does, and killing off bucks will not reduce the population, just make happy bucks of the survivors. Actually not all that many hunters anymore. I stopped years ago, venison is ok, ate plenty growing up, but mostly now a day we just eat out of the garden.

Sorry about the rambling, 88 degrees and 80% humidity makes a person do that.

Quote from: Solars Toy on June 02, 2024, 11:14:37 AMSuch a great story.

These turkeys have been known to calmly walk by our big German Shepherd, Lux.  He just stares at them and goes back to sleep.

That's a sign of a smart dog. 

Quote from: Possum on June 02, 2024, 08:09:26 AMWe had guineas take over a turkey's nest. they would not let the turkey back to the nest so she left, she was out numbered. She had already laid six eggs, so my wife incubated them and hatched. they grew up with the guineas, chickens, cats and dogs, and us. All the fowl had free range during the day but were penned at night.

the turkeys would follow you around, constantly talking to one another. When they were close to full grown we stopped penning them at night. For a couple of weeks they would roost in their pen and finally one day they left to go roost in the trees down at the creek. We thought the call of the wild had finally claimed them. It didn't, they showed up the next morning for breakfast.

This went on for about a month, they would roost on the creek, every morning around seven, they would climb the hill back to the house. One morning we heard and later saw a pretty good size flock crossing the pasture. Ours saw them too, and we saw them join up.

I had never been around turkeys before, it was a good experience, they talk to one another constantly, it's quiet, but constant. they will follow you on walks, my wife would take them grasshopper hunting every morning, since she went around the same time every day, they would be waiting for her.

the turkeys we have on us now are starting to regroup with their young. We're seeing two or three hens with all their little ones. Soon the flocks will be joining others, the biggest flock we have seen had over seventy birds in it. Hope they are all good at catching grasshoppers. 

Such a great story.

These turkeys have been known to calmly walk by our big German Shepherd, Lux.  He just stares at them and goes back to sleep.

Quote from: Possum on June 02, 2024, 08:09:26 AMWe had guineas take over a turkey's nest. they would not let the turkey back to the nest so she left, she was out numbered. She had already laid six eggs, so my wife incubated them and hatched. they grew up with the guineas, chickens, cats and dogs, and us. All the fowl had free range during the day but were penned at night.

the turkeys would follow you around, constantly talking to one another. When they were close to full grown we stopped penning them at night. For a couple of weeks they would roost in their pen and finally one day they left to go roost in the trees down at the creek. We thought the call of the wild had finally claimed them. It didn't, they showed up the next morning for breakfast.

This went on for about a month, they would roost on the creek, every morning around seven, they would climb the hill back to the house. One morning we heard and later saw a pretty good size flock crossing the pasture. Ours saw them too, and we saw them join up.

I had never been around turkeys before, it was a good experience, they talk to one another constantly, it's quiet, but constant. they will follow you on walks, my wife would take them grasshopper hunting every morning, since she went around the same time every day, they would be waiting for her.

the turkeys we have on us now are starting to regroup with their young. We're seeing two or three hens with all their little ones. Soon the flocks will be joining others, the biggest flock we have seen had over seventy birds in it. Hope they are all good at catching grasshoppers. 

Cool story.
Thank God we don't have that many, only because we're steep and heavily forested, but some of the neighboring open areas have 40 or 50 turkeys sitting in trees.
One neighbor decades ago got hit in the gut by a turkey, knocked  him flat on his ass, said it was like a feathered canon ball.

Turkeys aren't a problem in the least, like you said, they quietly talk amongst themselves, quietly ridding the area of bugs.
Deer? Now that's a problem looking for an incident.

      

Well worth a couple of minutes, yes, you can skip through the middle a bit, but don't miss the ending.

Quote from: Solar on June 02, 2024, 05:36:03 AM       

Yep, that's why my dogs don't mess with them, well, Diesel does if she's in the mood, but the other two learned the hard way.

We had guineas take over a turkey's nest. they would not let the turkey back to the nest so she left, she was out numbered. She had already laid six eggs, so my wife incubated them and hatched. they grew up with the guineas, chickens, cats and dogs, and us. All the fowl had free range during the day but were penned at night.

the turkeys would follow you around, constantly talking to one another. When they were close to full grown we stopped penning them at night. For a couple of weeks they would roost in their pen and finally one day they left to go roost in the trees down at the creek. We thought the call of the wild had finally claimed them. It didn't, they showed up the next morning for breakfast.

This went on for about a month, they would roost on the creek, every morning around seven, they would climb the hill back to the house. One morning we heard and later saw a pretty good size flock crossing the pasture. Ours saw them too, and we saw them join up.

I had never been around turkeys before, it was a good experience, they talk to one another constantly, it's quiet, but constant. they will follow you on walks, my wife would take them grasshopper hunting every morning, since she went around the same time every day, they would be waiting for her.

the turkeys we have on us now are starting to regroup with their young. We're seeing two or three hens with all their little ones. Soon the flocks will be joining others, the biggest flock we have seen had over seventy birds in it. Hope they are all good at catching grasshoppers.