New terrorist thing in Seattle.
Didn't work out very well for the terrorist.
A mug shot of this asshole got out on the internet....
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.haaretz.com%2Fpolopoly_fs%2F1.327197.1290845589%21%2Fimage%2F3276992430.jpg_gen%2Fderivatives%2Flandscape_295%2F3276992430.jpg&hash=197d8377612bae7e0f01061a0480d72aecc212bf)
Jeez, he looks almost exactly like my mom. No, wait, he looks more like my 4-year-old grandson.
The thing is, I could NEVER pick this guy out for screening at an airport! How would you know? They're invisible! They look just like everybody else!
Oh, and I saved a copy of the mug shot, just in case the MSM forget what this POS looks like.
Oh, and his name is Mohamed Osman Mohamud.
A good Irish name, that.
It has been suggested that we actually watch out for those named "Mohamed." But just as quickly, such suggestions are derided as "racist."
What say you?
I don't think profiling is the way to go but getting hysterical about it being racist says more about the people who are objecting then it does about what they're objecting too. Profiling is a tool. It's a useful tool and it's also a tool with some dangers inherent in it.
But dangerous times justify the use of dangerous tools which is why the resistance to profiling says more about those who oppose profiling then it does about profiling. Lefties have managed to stuff 9/11 into the "historic incident" memory category.
Yes 9/11 happened but that was a long time ago, just like 12/7. Do we profile orientals because of the Pearl Harbor attack? No. Therefor, since 9/11 and 12/7 are the same those who have a connection with either incident should be treated the same.
Lefties are always on the lookout for some way to feel superior and with a black guy in the White House it's a little tough for them, although by no means impossible, to strike a mighty blow against racism by being terribly upset about it. Since they can spin profiling of potential terrorists into racism so they can feel courageous by resisting profiling.
They're not going to let the issue go easily.
There's a big difference between RACIAL profiling and CRIMINAL profiling.
Call it what it really is. Criminal profiling. Nothing to do with what color the person is, or what gender the person is.
Anybody with even half-a-brain can figure out that putting 12/7/41 and 9/11/01 into the same context, claiming they both happened "a long time ago", and turning both into a nice neat "we shouldn't profile anybody from either of those incidents", is RIDICULOUS.
Trying to draw a parallel between two attacks that happened almost SIXTY years apart, and really have very little in common, shows how "historically challenged" the left wingnuts really are.
Quote from: tbone0106 on November 27, 2010, 01:25:45 AM
New terrorist thing in Seattle.
Didn't work out very well for the terrorist.
A mug shot of this asshole got out on the internet....
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.haaretz.com%2Fpolopoly_fs%2F1.327197.1290845589%21%2Fimage%2F3276992430.jpg_gen%2Fderivatives%2Flandscape_295%2F3276992430.jpg&hash=197d8377612bae7e0f01061a0480d72aecc212bf)
Jeez, he looks almost exactly like my mom. No, wait, he looks more like my 4-year-old grandson.
The thing is, I could NEVER pick this guy out for screening at an airport! How would you know? They're invisible! They look just like everybody else!
ACTUALLY this was in Portland OR
http://www.king5.com/news/Feds-Car-bombing-busted-at-Portland-tree-lighting-110897964.html (http://www.king5.com/news/Feds-Car-bombing-busted-at-Portland-tree-lighting-110897964.html)
Maybe the rep he gains of being a bona fide terrorist will save him from the Bubbas in his cell block, who will only see that 19-year-old pretty-boy face. They'll give him something to get surly about.
Quite a fall in status.
From Islamo-terrorist on the verge of receiving his 72 virgins, all the way down to PRISON BITCH.
:)) :o :))
Another Amish Terrorist! One would think that it would be easy to pick them out of a crowd. They just look so damn Plain, they just sort of stick out there like a sore thumb! Too bad the (good) Amish don't shun these radicals; I mean we know they all dislike the English, but c'mon placing indiscriminate hexing of the innocent would not pass muster in the Meeting House!
"Weird" Al Yankovic - Amish Paradise (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZLb33uCg#)
Quote from: REDWHITEBLUE2 on November 27, 2010, 08:55:42 AM
ACTUALLY this was in Portland OR
http://www.king5.com/news/Feds-Car-bombing-busted-at-Portland-tree-lighting-110897964.html (http://www.king5.com/news/Feds-Car-bombing-busted-at-Portland-tree-lighting-110897964.html)
My bad. :-[ Knew it was out there somewhere...
Quote from: tbone0106 on November 27, 2010, 01:04:22 PM
My bad. :-[ Knew it was out there somewhere...
Only 200 miles south of seattle But Half the size
Take this from someone who has been involved in "profiling" criminals and bad guys all of his adult life.
Most of you don't understand it.
You cannot tell a bad guy from what he looks like, because he is black, Somalian, Columbian, Italian or a big dumb looking Irishman like myself. All of those ethnic sub divisions and races have Criminals, gangsters and terrorists unique to their country, race, ethnicity.
What you are "profiling" and I don't like using that word cause it is
a buzz word used by the left to spin your heads with their usual bullcrap to get their guilty as sin client off when we had an air tight case AKA JURY SYMPATHY, is the FACTS and CIRCUMSTANCES at a given time and place. Couple that with time and place with a high crime area such as an open air drug market in an inner city (my most comfortable mileiu) or
an international airport with incoming flights from Yemen, both places have their unique set of crimes and their unique perpetrators.
Facts and circumstances can be the subjects behavior, the time of day the area (as we have already discussed) and the subjects identity, even something like his manner of dress.
Actually what you are talking about is PROBABLE CAUSE which our entire Constitution is based on. Probable cause is NOT limited to confines of a layman but the total experience, training and overall knowledge of the Officer, airport security personnel or other sources such as those in the airline industry.
In plain English, when you know what to look for and know where to be (through experience, training) and know the M.O. (method of oepration) of the bad guy. THEY STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB, even though there may be hundreds or even thousands of like persons, black, white, Italian, Irish or Somalian milling about.
But all of this is sort of besides the point.
This no good SOB did not belong in this country to begin with. He was born in Somlia and some how got a Visa or permanent status to the USA...that is the first mistake, letting these people in the country to begin with. Guess where we need to start?
Billy
"Apparently, they were stopping every vehicle traveling down that particular sidewalk, and that's profiling, and profiling's bad."
Ron White Live
;) ;) ;)
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on November 27, 2010, 11:18:54 AM
Quite a fall in status.
From Islamo-terrorist on the verge of receiving his 72 virgins, all the way down to PRISON BITCH.
:)) :o :))
Yeah, a few injections of female hormones and the proper clothing ................................... party time!
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on November 27, 2010, 04:21:07 PM
Take this from someone who has been involved in "profiling" criminals and bad guys all of his adult life.
Most of you don't understand it.
You cannot tell a bad guy from what he looks like, because he is black, Somalian, Columbian, Italian or a big dumb looking Irishman like myself. All of those ethnic sub divisions and races have Criminals, gangsters and terrorists unique to their country, race, ethnicity.
What you are "profiling" and I don't like using that word cause it is
a buzz word used by the left to spin your heads with their usual bullcrap to get their guilty as sin client off when we had an air tight case AKA JURY SYMPATHY, is the FACTS and CIRCUMSTANCES at a given time and place. Couple that with time and place with a high crime area such as an open air drug market in an inner city (my most comfortable mileiu) or
an international airport with incoming flights from Yemen, both places have their unique set of crimes and their unique perpetrators.
Facts and circumstances can be the subjects behavior, the time of day the area (as we have already discussed) and the subjects identity, even something like his manner of dress.
Actually what you are talking about is PROBABLE CAUSE which our entire Constitution is based on. Probable cause is NOT limited to confines of a layman but the total experience, training and overall knowledge of the Officer, airport security personnel or other sources such as those in the airline industry.
In plain English, when you know what to look for and know where to be (through experience, training) and know the M.O. (method of oepration) of the bad guy. THEY STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB, even though there may be hundreds or even thousands of like persons, black, white, Italian, Irish or Somalian milling about.
But all of this is sort of besides the point.
This no good SOB did not belong in this country to begin with. He was born in Somlia and some how got a Visa or permanent status to the USA...that is the first mistake, letting these people in the country to begin with. Guess where we need to start?
Billy
Lotsa good points, Mr. Bonney!
I guess what bothers me is that knee-jerk rejection of even considering obvious criteria such as race/ethnicity and origin and sex and age, especially when we know that every single bastard who has tried to blow up or hijack an airplane in the last 35 years has been a young male Arab Muslim.
Profiling is part of smart policing. And though it may not be trendy or politically correct, it is NOT illegal, even if it's racial profiling.
I posted this idiot's picture precisely to illustrate how stupid it is to be strip-searching little kids and grannies. Common sense -- an uncommon thing these days -- is all that's required to instantly, and SAFELY, permit 95+ percent of travelers to pass security checkpoints with the very minimum of inspection.
Quote from: tbone0106 on November 27, 2010, 09:43:41 PM
Lotsa good points, Mr. Bonney!
I guess what bothers me is that knee-jerk rejection of even considering obvious criteria such as race/ethnicity and origin and sex and age, especially when we know that every single bastard who has tried to blow up or hijack an airplane in the last 35 years has been a young male Arab Muslim.
Profiling is part of smart policing. And though it may not be trendy or politically correct, it is NOT illegal, even if it's racial profiling.
I posted this idiot's picture precisely to illustrate how stupid it is to be strip-searching little kids and grannies. Common sense -- an uncommon thing these days -- is all that's required to instantly, and SAFELY, permit 95+ percent of travelers to pass security checkpoints with the very minimum of inspection.
You are correct about a lot of things but here is the problem when it comes to stopping Grannies and little kids.
first, the laws in this country (supported by the Constitution) says that everybody is equal, you and I know that is BS, coz minorities have more rights than you or I do and you or I will get hammered for something that some rich liberal will skate away on...look at O.J.
But in theory, and in practise everybody is equal. That means everybody gets treated the same.
So if we don't search some granma from Iowa and stop Granny Akaba wearing the full Prudah of a Yemeni matron who just might be carrying something lethal for her granson Akmed who is just behind her in line, you can bet that CAIR will jump down TSA throats so fast their heads will swim. These special interest groups put all sorts of pressure on us with the political BS. The law is such that we allow this crap over the years, now it is a factor...thank the liberals.
This is part of the strategy of using the enemies strengths (and weaknesses' ) against them. The bad guys use our laws against us to their advantage.
Also, if you exempt Old ladies and little kids, guess who the scumbags will use to smuggle their nasties aboard? What do they do in their country? Wire up kids with explosives and send them in as human bombs right?
What this country has to do is stop these people from coming in the US completely, review the ones who are already here and revoke their visas etc and send them back. Monitor the hell out of those who are here and cannot be sent back. This somalian POS is a prime example.
Billy
More good points, Mr. Bonney! You're on a roll. :D
If we exempt old ladies and little kids, the bad guys might start using old ladies and little kids to smuggle bombs onto airplanes. But my point is, they haven't done that, not once in thirty-five years.
But by NOT exempting old ladies and little kids and other groups that are essentially zero-risk, we get the clusterfluster we have now at the airports -- and we hand the terrorists daily victories of time, money and frustration expended for... nothing. And it all costs the terrorists... nothing.
Winning against the terrorists requires one simple thing. We have to find ways to make their acts so unspeakably costly to them that they will never contemplate those acts again. I don't think strip-searching Granny and Li'l Petie is going to get that done.
DEADLY FORCE. No civil trials. No country club treatment at Gitmo. Find them, kill them, sent them back to Afghanistan, strap parachutes to their dead carcasses, and drop them over terrorist camps and strongholds.
These animals only know and live by a code of violence. They need to receive a strong dose of their own medicine.
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on November 29, 2010, 09:39:50 AM
DEADLY FORCE. No civil trials. No country club treatment at Gitmo. Find them, kill them, sent them back to Afghanistan, strap parachutes to their dead carcasses, and drop them over terrorist camps and strongholds.These animals only know and live by a code of violence. They need to receive a strong dose of their own medicine.
Only after dipping them in pig fat.
I think everyone Profiles sometime in life, in one way or the other. As a father with two girls I did my share, it comes with the territory.
The other thing you need is COMPETANT people in charge of security.
They hire the politcally correct who have no clue what they are doing and often have a chip on their shoulder.
The first person you got to get rid of is Janet (not Reno) Napolitano
she is a total incompetant and unsuited for the job...what the hell does she know about security?
Billy
Billy, the proverbial "elephant in the room" is the fact that police use profiling ALL THE TIME after a crime has been committed. It's called CRIMINAL profiling. It's not racial profiling. It's not gender profiling. It's not religious profiling.
If the TSA used the term "CRIMINAL profiling", then the TSA could quit hassling old people in wheelchairs and 3-year-old kids without hearing too much crap from the race warlords and religous zealots.
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on November 29, 2010, 05:51:16 PM
Billy, the proverbial "elephant in the room" is the fact that police use profiling ALL THE TIME after a crime has been committed. It's called CRIMINAL profiling. It's not racial profiling. It's not gender profiling. It's not religious profiling.
If the TSA used the term "CRIMINAL profiling", then the TSA could quit hassling old people in wheelchairs and 3-year-old kids without hearing too much crap from the race warlords and religous zealots.
AF, as usual, I agree. You have what I think is the correct viewpoint, and one that should disconnect profiling from PC altogether.
But in today's world, it doesn't, especially when it comes to the federal government!
Perhaps the Great Mistake is trying to be all things for all people. What government devised by men can do that?
Quote from: AmericanFlyer on November 29, 2010, 05:51:16 PM
Billy, the proverbial "elephant in the room" is the fact that police use profiling ALL THE TIME after a crime has been committed. It's called CRIMINAL profiling. It's not racial profiling. It's not gender profiling. It's not religious profiling.
If the TSA used the term "CRIMINAL profiling", then the TSA could quit hassling old people in wheelchairs and 3-year-old kids without hearing too much crap from the race warlords and religous zealots.
As I stated previously, "profiling" is a buzz word. It is something made up by the defense. What does exist, and what you are talking about is knowledge, training, experience used to recognize when criminal activiety is afoot. And the police use that every day....such things are facts and circumstances which are the basis for probable cause.
Now two things about probable cause, one is that it can only be determined by a REASONABLE AND PRUDENT man, second, it is not limited to the knowledge etc of a layman but the person with applicable skills. In other words a street cop who has seen hundreds of drug dealers sees these guys flashing hand signs that correspond with the amount and type of drugs a potential buyer (a stone junkie) is seeking.
A regular person would NOT know what such signs or signals (fingers position, hand manuever) were. Yet to a cop, that is probable cause somebody is 'ordering up' so watch this guy long enough and you will see the pass. That gives you the right to stop, arrest,search.
Now along comes the defense attorney and he knows you got them dead to rights, so he throws up a big cloud and says some stupid crap about "profiling" inner city black youths and the Jury eats it up. Yeah racial profiling.
You have to have reasonable people working at this type of thing, obviously, you do not since most of this crap is unreasonable.
While they are wasting time looking at gramaws undies the bad guy is slipping by you.
Billy
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on November 29, 2010, 09:04:55 PM
..........While they are wasting time looking at gramaws undies the bad guy is slipping by you.
Billy
And as I stated in a different thread, while the TSA "grab and grope" area is backed up with 200-300 irate travelers, "Abdul" wades into the crowd with his bomb vest and..........we know what happens next.
Whether it's 250 dead on a plane, or 250 dead at the terminal...............it's still 250 dead.
Quote from: tbone0106 on November 29, 2010, 08:48:54 PM
Perhaps the Great Mistake is trying to be all things for all people. What government devised by men can do that?
Isn't "being all things to all people" the foundation of the liberal/progressive/marxist definition of government?
Of course, those of us with functioning brains know that this belief runs completely counter to what the founding fathers had in mind, and to the words contained in the U.S. Constitution.
Billy, you go boy. I could not agree with you more! It is a sad fact that our "powers that be" don't have a scintilla of your insight into what "profiling" is and should be.
It's hard to profile someone who comes across the border from Mexico. The federal (Obama administration) government believes that they are all hard working people who are just coming here to earn a living doing jobs that no American would do.
This was reported in 2005: Source: (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml)
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As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:
"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."
Since 2005, the problem has only gotten worse. How much worse, it's hard to determine since our government seems to be inclined to obstruct reporting the real statistics, especially when the government is controlled by progressive/liberal/marxist/socialists. It's hard to profile those coming across a border that has no security. It is even harder to determine how the incarcerated illegals entered our country. All we know for sure is there is a huge financial cost for "prosecuting and housing" these unwelcome "guests".
The one thing we know for sure, the southern border is wide open for terrorists and others intent on doing harm to America. This is where our focus should be.
Quote from: surfer_squirrel on November 30, 2010, 07:16:50 AM
It's hard to profile someone who comes across the border from Mexico. The federal (Obama administration) government believes that they are all hard working people who are just coming here to earn a living doing jobs that no American would do.
This was reported in 2005:
Source: (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml)
Since 2005, the problem has only gotten worse. How much worse, it's hard to determine since our government seems to be inclined to obstruct reporting the real statistics, especially when the government is controlled by progressive/liberal/marxist/socialists. It's hard to profile those coming across a border that has no security. It is even harder to determine how the incarcerated illegals entered our country. All we know for sure is there is a huge financial cost for "prosecuting and housing" these unwelcome "guests".
The one thing we know for sure, the southern border is wide open for terrorists and others intent on doing harm to America. This is where our focus should be.
Coming across the border in most instances is illegal, even those who "legally" enter the US do so illegally, either with forged work cards or borrow someone elses, so the "profiling" nonsense doesn't apply...everyone is committing a crime, search incident to arrest.
Billy
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on November 30, 2010, 03:30:32 PM
Coming across the border in most instances is illegal, even those who "legally" enter the US do so illegally, either with forged work cards or borrow someone elses, so the "profiling" nonsense doesn't apply...everyone is committing a crime, search incident to arrest.
Billy
Oh, I think that profiling is very much the way to go. If we're looking for illegals in the US, we're looking primarily for Latinos. We don't have a problem with Swedes or Australians or Ethiopians or Italians crossing our borders in the hundreds of thousands every month. The argument is the same as for airport security, where we ought to be looking for young male Arabic Muslims. Duh.