http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carly-fiorina-actively-explores-2016-presidential-run-but-faces-gop-critics/2014/11/25/b317b1a2-74b3-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html'S (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carly-fiorina-actively-explores-2016-presidential-run-but-faces-gop-critics/2014/11/25/b317b1a2-74b3-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html'S)
iT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMEN AND THERE ARE MORE WOMEN VOTERS THAN ANY OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC IN THE ELECTORATE...but she's the only one who's has a demonstrated track record of accomplishments in the business world, working her way up from a secretary position to CEO of Hewlett-Packard. and did I mention that she's a women..and there are more women voters, then men?
Quote from: wally on November 25, 2014, 07:10:11 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carly-fiorina-actively-explores-2016-presidential-run-but-faces-gop-critics/2014/11/25/b317b1a2-74b3-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html'S (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carly-fiorina-actively-explores-2016-presidential-run-but-faces-gop-critics/2014/11/25/b317b1a2-74b3-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html'S)
iT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMEN AND THERE ARE MORE WOMEN VOTERS THAN ANY OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC IN THE ELECTORATE...but she's the only one who's has a demonstrated track record of accomplishments in the business world, working her way up from a secretary position to CEO of Hewlett-Packard. and did I mention that she's a women..and there are more women voters, then men?
Even the Trolls don't want to touch this one....The Anti-Hildebeast Candidate for 2016!
Quote from: wally on November 25, 2014, 07:10:11 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carly-fiorina-actively-explores-2016-presidential-run-but-faces-gop-critics/2014/11/25/b317b1a2-74b3-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html'S (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carly-fiorina-actively-explores-2016-presidential-run-but-faces-gop-critics/2014/11/25/b317b1a2-74b3-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html'S)
iT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMEN AND THERE ARE MORE WOMEN VOTERS THAN ANY OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC IN THE ELECTORATE...but she's the only one who's has a demonstrated track record of accomplishments in the business world, working her way up from a secretary position to CEO of Hewlett-Packard. and did I mention that she's a women..and there are more women voters, then men?
Well hell, Wally. As HP's CEO, she presided over the loss of half the company's stock value. And she's never served in elective office, having lost to Barbara Boxer the only time she ran. And she served as an inside advisor to John McCain's run for president in 2008. And she's had both her boobs cut off.
I mean, I like a lot of what she says. But her track record is kinda lame when it comes to winning the day.
Agreed. I predict she won't poll well with women. They want a certain 'depth and roundness' that they can identify with in a candidate. -Not a hexagonal abstract.
For what it's worth, I personally know one of the ex-VPs of HP when she was CEO and this person tells me she was kind of an all-around horrible person. My source didn't elaborate much but she certainly didn't care much for Ms. Carly.
Just. No.
I voted "for" her for Senate, but my vote was really a vote against Babs Bouncer. As she did in running for Senate - a slightly better than average low-energy, low-profile Mo-o-o-o-oderates' campaign - she would have difficulty distinguishing her policies and philosophy of governance from those of whatever the Ds nominate, because she isn't all that different. She would get steamrollered, again.
As CEO of HP, Fiorina has failed to keep HP strong and an industry leader. HP's test and measurement and medical instruments were facing serious competition from other companies and Fiorina-HP ... spun them off as Agilent. In the face of very stiff competition, Fiorina has "guided" HP from being strong in home and office desktops and laptops and business servers to one of many undifferentiated sellers of cookie-cutter products. Then there was HP's what-were-they-smoking delusion that they could buy Palm Computing and parlay it into an Android- killer and iOS-killer in tablet computing. That was such a fiasco that HP pulled the plug on it before trying to launch a product, but not before dumping over a billion $$ (maybe two billion) down the Pam rat-hole!
I live in Silicon Valley and am closer to what Fiorina did at HP, but if she ran and got the R nomination the Ds oppo researchers would have a field day showing, accurately and at length, that Fiorina's record as CEO at HP is not at all good. They could also, a little less honestly, make an issue of HP's off-shoring computer production (which all US PC mfrs and Apple have done, which is why it would be a less than honest issue). So ...
JUST!
NO!
Quote from: Dr. Meh on November 25, 2014, 10:25:48 PM
For what it's worth, I personally know one of the ex-VPs of HP when she was CEO and this person tells me she was kind of an all-around horrible person. My source didn't elaborate much but she certainly didn't care much for Ms. Carly.
:biggrin:
I didn't know her personally, but my experience mirrors yours in that I used to associate with the upper echelon in HP, and each and everyone of them hated her with a passion, and to my knowledge, that went all the way through the company on down to the receptionist.
When the GOP ran her for office, I knew she had already lost half the base, considering how many HP employed, multiplied by how man friends and relatives they had, that passed on the message of how evil and heartless Carly was.
Why the GOP ran someone like her perplexes me to this day.
Quote from: TboneAgain on November 25, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
Well hell, Wally. As HP's CEO, she presided over the loss of half the company's stock value. And she's never served in elective office, having lost to Barbara Boxer the only time she ran. And she served as an inside advisor to John McCain's run for president in 2008. And she's had both her boobs cut off.
I mean, I like a lot of what she says. But her track record is kinda lame when it comes to winning the day.
In league with John McLame? Dam Wally, you gotta' do better than this. We're trying to get rid of rinos and the potential to spread this virus, not take it on. :angry:
Quote from: TboneAgain on November 25, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
And she's had both her boobs cut off.
I mean, I like a lot of what she says. But her track record is kinda lame when it comes to winning the day.
I also don't believe that she'd be a good candidate, but c'mon TB, your comment about her having both her 'boobs' cut off is pretty crass, man.
There are just so many more better options.
Quote from: MACMan on November 26, 2014, 07:14:09 AM
I also don't believe that she'd be a good candidate, but c'mon TB, your comment about her having both her 'boobs' cut off is pretty crass, man.
You're right. It was cold. Sorry, Carly.
What turns me off about her is her consistent track record of mediocrity and/or failure. She's not a winner. She's never held elected office.
That last is not necessarily fatal. Eisenhower had never held elected office before running for president, and in fact was so apolitical that he was courted by both major parties for the 1952 race. But obviously Ike had a pretty impressive history of success in his endeavors. Serving as the supreme commander of multi-national armed forces on the winning side of a war fought on three continents looks pretty sweet on anybody's resume.
Carly ain't got none o' that.
What is her stance on 2A/RTKBA ? :popcorn:
Quote from: wally on November 25, 2014, 07:10:11 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carly-fiorina-actively-explores-2016-presidential-run-but-faces-gop-critics/2014/11/25/b317b1a2-74b3-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html'S (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carly-fiorina-actively-explores-2016-presidential-run-but-faces-gop-critics/2014/11/25/b317b1a2-74b3-11e4-bd1b-03009bd3e984_story.html'S)
iT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMEN AND THERE ARE MORE WOMEN VOTERS THAN ANY OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC IN THE ELECTORATE...but she's the only one who's has a demonstrated track record of accomplishments in the business world, working her way up from a secretary position to CEO of Hewlett-Packard. and did I mention that she's a women..and there are more women voters, then men?
Here is a thought...
How about instead of picking the best
black candidate, or the best
woman candidate, or the best
Hispanic candidate, we instead just pick
the best damned candidate, period?
Just sayin'...
Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 26, 2014, 10:44:52 AM
Here is a thought...
How about instead of picking the best black candidate, or the best woman candidate, or the best Hispanic candidate, we instead just pick the best damned candidate, period?
Just sayin'...
Darth
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
If she represents the Dems' best-and-brightest, the farm team MVP most likely to score big with the Donks, then we are in for a Clinton/Warren/Fiorina catfight which will warm our hearts all two years ahead. (*Ooog, just felt a frission. Have to sit down, my knees just got weak.....*)
Can Fiorina carve out recognizable differences from Warren or from Shrill? Can she attract women not already in thrall to Bubba, or Fauxcahontis? I can hear the claws getting sharpened from here.
Quote from: Gator Monroe on November 26, 2014, 09:58:03 AM
What is her stance on 2A/RTKBA ? :popcorn:
I won't claim to know, but she's a
Mo-o-o-o-o-oderate so I doubt she supports citizens' rights to carry asrms. Except for her security team (if she has one).
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 26, 2014, 10:44:52 AM
Here is a thought...
How about instead of picking the best black candidate, or the best woman candidate, or the best Hispanic candidate, we instead just pick the best damned candidate, period?
Just sayin'...
Darth
What a unique idea, DF! I'll bet the R establishment haven't thought of that. Maybe you should share your wisdom with them.
I' frickin' tired of having to choose between a RINO--Mo-o-o-o-oderate and a D fruitcake!
Quote from: quiller on November 26, 2014, 12:07:53 PM
If she represents the Dems' best-and-brightest, the farm team MVP most likely to score big with the Donks, then we are in for a Clinton/Warren/Fiorina catfight which will warm our hearts all two years ahead. (*Ooog, just felt a frission. Have to sit down, my knees just got weak.....*)
Can Fiorina carve out recognizable differences from Warren or from Shrill? Can she attract women not already in thrall to Bubba, or Fauxcahontis? I can hear the claws getting sharpened from here.
Fiorina is a Pub, not a Dim, though the jury is out on just how liberal she is willing to be, considering it was Ca rino that pushed her to run in the first place.
Quote from: SVPete on November 26, 2014, 12:15:34 PM
What a unique idea, DF! I'll bet the R establishment haven't thought of that. Maybe you should share your wisdom with them.
I' frickin' tired of having to choose between a RINO--Mo-o-o-o-oderate and a D fruitcake!
Any time I do, I'm called an extremist, Right wing, fundy Conservative
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 26, 2014, 03:00:37 PM
Any time I do, I'm called an extremist, Right wing, fundy Conservative
Wait, you say this as if they meant it as an insult? :biggrin:
Quote from: TboneAgain on November 26, 2014, 09:48:58 AM
You're right. It was cold. Sorry, Carly.
What turns me off about her is her consistent track record of mediocrity and/or failure. She's not a winner. She's never held elected office.
That last is not necessarily fatal. Eisenhower had never held elected office before running for president, and in fact was so apolitical that he was courted by both major parties for the 1952 race. But obviously Ike had a pretty impressive history of success in his endeavors. Serving as the supreme commander of multi-national armed forces on the winning side of a war fought on three continents looks pretty sweet on anybody's resume.
Carly ain't got none o' that.
I made a point about this in another thread. Maybe it should be a new thread, but I'd like to see some of these local tea party organizations take more of a development role, sort of like a "politics boot camp". A lot of these guys never held office, but have great experience and getting stuff done, but they need to be polished up some before going cold into a campaign.
Quote from: TboneAgain on November 25, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
Well hell, Wally. As HP's CEO, she presided over the loss of half the company's stock value. And she's never served in elective office, having lost to Barbara Boxer the only time she ran. And she served as an inside advisor to John McCain's run for president in 2008. And she's had both her boobs cut off.
I mean, I like a lot of what she says. But her track record is kinda lame when it comes to winning the day.
Fiorina for DNC Chair!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: keyboarder on November 26, 2014, 06:45:15 AM
In league with John McLame? Dam Wally, you gotta' do better than this. We're trying to get rid of rinos and the potential to spread this virus, not take it on. :angry:
I just posted this for some feedback. Got a bunch..so thanks! Now I know her a bit better. As far as who I'd support in 2016: who's announced they are definitely in? Just doing some vetting of possibilities.
Quote from: wally on November 26, 2014, 05:14:54 PM
I just posted this for some feedback. Got a bunch..so thanks! Now I know her a bit better. As far as who I'd support in 2016: who's announced they are definitely in? Just doing some vetting of possibilities.
That's what we're here for. :cool:
Re the Second Amendment, I was wrong in my cynicism. (http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Carly_Fiorina_Gun_Control.htm) Looks like Fiorina is supportive of the right to own and use arms. This is one those time I definitely don't mind being wrong and saying so.
Quote from: SVPete on November 26, 2014, 06:40:26 PM
Re the Second Amendment, I was wrong in my cynicism. (http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Carly_Fiorina_Gun_Control.htm) Looks like Fiorina is supportive of the right to own and use arms. This is one those time I definitely don't mind being wrong and saying so.
The NRA's AQ rating is good, but unproven. It means she says the right things, but she's never voted as a public official one way or another, mainly because she's never been a public official.
Also, it should be noted that these ratings are over four years old. Not saying that makes them no good, just saying they're four years old.
Hell, four years ago the Kenyan was against gay marriage and proclaimed that he couldn't legally offer amnesty to illegal aliens. See?
The question should be Why Carly Fiorina FOR 2016?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 26, 2014, 09:07:33 PM
The question should be Why Carly Fiorina FOR 2016?
Up 'til now? Lemme see now. A catchy name? Likes folks like John McLame? Nevermind she likes to meddle in business and doesn't mind destroying one. Not a likable person? Maybe she supports gun carry, maybe not.
True Boo, at this point, why should she even be considered for 2016?
Quote from: Solar on November 26, 2014, 01:01:45 PM
Fiorina is a Pub, not a Dim, though the jury is out on just how liberal she is willing to be, considering it was Ca rino that pushed her to run in the first place.
Brain fart on my part about her party (or else just sloppy writing). California Republican is a mainstream Democrat here in Flyover Country.
The media
lovvvvvvvved them some John McCain as "their" GOP candidate, so I can see a big pushy to get Fiorina up against Shrill and Indian Giver.
Quote from: quiller on November 27, 2014, 07:46:47 AM
Brain fart on my part about her party (or else just sloppy writing). California Republican is a mainstream Democrat here in Flyover Country.
The media lovvvvvvvved them some John McCain as "their" GOP candidate, so I can see a big pushy to get Fiorina up against Shrill and Indian Giver.
Strangely enough, solid Conservatives come from Ca, Reagan, Tom McClintock for starters, who happens to have the best Conservative rating in all of Congress, who came from the Ca Legislature.
But unfortunately is still controlled by the GOP, an Establishment organization.
What makes this woman a legitimate choice except some have fallen into political correctness believing it's "time" for a woman president. How is she better than any man on the issues that matter in a President (securing the border, DECREASING the role of the federal government not specified in the Constitution etc)?
Quote from: carlb on November 27, 2014, 08:23:51 AM
What makes this woman a legitimate choice except some have fallen into political correctness believing it's "time" for a woman president. How is she better than any man other candidate on the issues that matter in a President (securing the border, DECREASING the role of the federal government not specified in the Constitution etc)?
FIFU!
Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on November 27, 2014, 09:26:13 AM
FIFU!arth
no you didn't. The whole point was that the OP is pushing this woman BECAUSE she's a woman. We need a MAN -- someone the world will again take seriously.
Dont presume to "fix" my words.
Quote from: carlb on November 27, 2014, 09:39:55 AM
no you didn't. The whole point was that the OP is pushing this woman BECAUSE she's a woman. We need a MAN -- someone the world will again take seruously.
Dont presume to "fix" my words.
To assume that only a man could be respected by the world, is to ignore the evidence of history.
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn2.theweek.co.uk%2Fsites%2Ftheweek%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Ftheweek_article_main_image%2Fpublic%2Fmargaret-thatcher-090413.jpg%3Fitok%3DLjopdwQg&hash=86798bd587ed040a43ac66e943ab06bb54137890)
And, don't worry. I won't presume to "fix" your small minded, bigoted, sexists remarks, ever again.
I'll just let your words, such as they are, speak for themselves!
:rolleyes:
Darth
Quote from: quiller on November 27, 2014, 07:46:47 AM
Brain fart on my part about her party (or else just sloppy writing). California Republican is a mainstream Democrat here in Flyover Country.
The media lovvvvvvvved them some John McCain as "their" GOP candidate, so I can see a big pushy to get Fiorina up against Shrill and Indian Giver.
Please make that an Indian Wannabe Giver.