Why Conservatives Refuse To Supoport Trump

Started by Solar, July 05, 2016, 09:29:16 AM

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Solar

This is an excellent article, and really paints a good picture as to why the GOP is collapsing and why that's a good thing.
It's a bit of a read, but at least skim down to the demands part and read the closing paragraph.

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The document itself is not that long, but it can be tedious document for some to read, what with all the arcane language. It should be noted, however, that if you tried to read any of the bills Congress has foisted upon us in modern times, the Declaration is at least self-explanatory and instructive.

Some of the great things about reading the Declaration is that every word has such definable meaning, each sentence is carefully constructed, and the manner in which the Founders communicate independence is backed up by a long list of "Facts" to be "submitted to a candid world."

I'm told the legal term for this list is a "bill of particulars," in which perhaps a prosecutor would lay out a case against someone charged with a crime or crimes, but that's neither here nor there as long as you know when you read the list, it backs up the case for independence.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people ..."

You don't have to read long into the Declaration for your mind to worry about what we've become.  Are we "one people?" Shall we dissolve "political bands?" Do we believe in "unalienable Rights?" Has government become so far off and detached from the people that it can't possibly "derive their just powers from the consent of the governed?"

Isn't what the Left is doing when they act on anything a direct repudiation of everything in that document? Yes, I believe so, and it has Americans hopping mad.

Yet, when you read the list of grievances, you come to realize just how bad it was for the colonies in 1776. The Brits allied with murderous natives who wiped out entire families. At the time of the signing, the colonists and the British had been in open war for over a year, Bunker Hill had been fought, and some great men had died. British soldiers were on the streets and demanded property from the colonists, women were raped, and the King was taking away any rights of the colonists to have representation in Parliament. The colonists were far, far beyond any reason anymore. They had to either fight for independence, or be slaves to a distant government who abused them and had no respect for human life.

The enemy of the American Patriot is the American Left. They fight for the murder of the innocent, they offer tolerance to the enemy, they destroy every possible pursuit of happiness, they conjure crisis after crisis to reconcile takings of liberty, they relax law and order so street thugs can destroy whole cities, and they take the future away from our children by spending and use their positions in education to destroy their ability to reason.

So, who really stands with the American Patriot? It certainly isn't the Democratic Party. And while conservatives get thrashed over trashing Republicans, the truth is right now, the Republican Party is held in contempt by the American Patriot because they were put in charge to oppose the Democrats and they instead, went along with them. Republicans have spent numerous recent elections saying, "Hey, at least we aren't as bad as the Democrats!" And because of that, we have a presumptive nominee who is actually a Democrat.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/07/conservatives-list-of-grievances-against-the-2016-gop-establishment
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Hoofer

"Become one of us!!!" is hardly a compelling argument for abandoning the Constitution and your principles.
It's the other way around, if you WANT my vote, EARN IT - don't threaten me, mock me, make fun of my favorite candidate or smear his supporters - at least learn some MANNERS and state your case why your favorite is a better choice than the rest.

All the Trump-a-loons have proven so far, 1. they're in love with conspiracy theories, 2. engage in accusing TEA of doing the very things they do, and 3. have no firm political policy basis other than a cult like following of Donald Trump... none of which appeals to me - 1. I'm not paranoid, 2. not guilty and 3. I believe in the Constitution / Bill of Rights as our best system/guide, not a person.

What I'm seeing demonstrated is two "cults of personality", Hillary and Donald, fighting it out.  Neither one is even trying or hinting they would consider the founding documents a valid guide - no, they're accusing each other of being "Unfair" or "Bad" or "Evil".   Seven-year-old Sandbox talk, which doesn't even rise to the intellect of a 11 year old. 

I walk away from BOTH of them, guilt free and sorrowful so many have been swept in with their foolish rhetoric.
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TFields

Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?

mdgiles

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 11:00:26 AM
Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?
THE ESTABLISHMENT BACKED CRUZ??????? Are you on controlled substances! That you would even argue that, shows the conservative right your total ignorance of politics. THE ESTABLISHMENT BACKED TRUMP! All those Establishment politicians leaping on to the Trump train(wreck), and you're uninformed enough to label Cruz the "Establishment candidate". That, right there, is the main problem with Trump supporters. To them everything began when Trump declare for the nomination. All the things Cruz did before the primary run, and - especially - all the things Trump did before the primary, is terra incognito to you folks. Which is why you can never seem to understand how worrying his prior - and present - actions are to real conservatives.
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quiller

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 11:00:26 AM
Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?

The Establishment did not back Cruz. Anyone with a brain opposes Trump and that skank he runs against.

supsalemgr

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 11:00:26 AM
Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?

Where did the establishment back Cruz? They were undermining him every chance they got.
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Solar

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 11:00:26 AM
Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?
Oh Jeeezus, are you serious? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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tac

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2016, 11:47:18 AM
Oh Jeeezus, are you serious? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Damn Trump Trolls get dumber every time they type.  :rolleyes:

taxed

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 11:00:26 AM
Nice poetic speeches! But just one problem:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat why did the Establishment choose to back Cruz and oppose Trump?

You really don't follow politics, do you?
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Solar

Quote from: tac on July 05, 2016, 12:05:28 PM
Damn Trump Trolls get dumber every time they type.  :rolleyes:
:lol:
I swear, his every post exudes more and more ignorance on politics.
Why do these Trumpanzee kids come in here thinking they're more knowledgeable than people with wisdom three times their age?
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They are as ignorant as their high priest.


TFields

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Toward the end of the primary the race had finally narrowed down to three:

Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Jon Kasich. The establishment knew that Kasich had absolutely no chance whatsoever because he had not won a single state except his home Ohio which he only beat Trump by about one or two percentage points. Lindsey Graham said in a TV interview "I guess we're going to have to back Cruz." To be sure, the GOP hated doing this but he was the last hope to try to stop Trump. Members of the establishment are publicly endorsing him now (though not truly backing him) because he became the presumptive nominee after Cruz and Kasich both dropped out after Indiana and it's now time to "unite behind the nominee."

Now stop making up stories and answer the damn question!!!

If Donald Trump is a closet Democrat then why did the Establishment back Cruz against Trump and not the other way around?!!!


taxed

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 01:18:58 PM
Toward the end of the primary the race had finally narrowed down to three:

Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Jon Kasich. The establishment knew that Kasich had absolutely no chance whatsoever because he had not won a single state except his home Ohio which he only beat Trump by about one or two percentage points. Lindsey Graham said in a TV interview "I guess we're going to have to back Cruz." To be sure, the GOP hated doing this but he was the last hope to try to stop Trump. Members of the establishment are publicly endorsing him now (though not truly backing him) because he became the presumptive nominee after Cruz and Kasich both dropped out after Indiana and it's now time to "unite behind the nominee."
Lindsay Graham endorsed Cruz, so that means the establishment backed Cruz?

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Now stop making up stories and answer the damn question!!!

If Donald Trump is a closet Democrat then why did the Establishment back Cruz against Trump and not the other way around?!!!

You haven't proven the establishment backed Cruz.  This should be easy for you.
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taxed

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/john-beohner-ted-cruz-lucifer-222570

Quote"Lucifer in the flesh," Boehner told an audience at Stanford University on Wednesday night, according to the Stanford Daily. "I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life."

In fact, Wednesday night was not the first occasion that Boehner has compared Cruz to "Lucifer." He used the epithet last month during a question-and-answer session with reporters at the Futures Industry Association conference in Boca Raton, Florida.

As far as Donald Trump goes, Boehner remarked that he had golfed with Trump for years and that the two are "texting buddies" — a comment Cruz seized on in his requital Thursday.

"If you want someone that's a texting and golfing buddy, if you're happy with John Boehner as speaker of the House and you want a president like John Boehner, Donald Trump's your man," Cruz told reporters during a stop in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Cruz insisted he never "worked with" Boehner and, in response to being called Lucifer, Cruz added that Boehner "allowed his inner Trump to come out."

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supsalemgr

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 01:18:58 PM
Toward the end of the primary the race had finally narrowed down to three:

Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Jon Kasich. The establishment knew that Kasich had absolutely no chance whatsoever because he had not won a single state except his home Ohio which he only beat Trump by about one or two percentage points. Lindsey Graham said in a TV interview "I guess we're going to have to back Cruz." To be sure, the GOP hated doing this but he was the last hope to try to stop Trump. Members of the establishment are publicly endorsing him now (though not truly backing him) because he became the presumptive nominee after Cruz and Kasich both dropped out after Indiana and it's now time to "unite behind the nominee."

Now stop making up stories and answer the damn question!!!

If Donald Trump is a closet Democrat then why did the Establishment back Cruz against Trump and not the other way around?!!!


Graham's statement was not  a ringing endorsement and it went nowhere. GOPe did not rush to support Graham. That is hardly support of the establishment.
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