I like getting into the nuts and bolts.  This should make some people uncomfortable.

https://conservativehardliner.com/why-civil-war-will-never-happen-and-why-third-party-stupid-idea

QuoteWith many conservatives buying into the illusion of a Creepy administration (which I haven't -- I think we're somehow quietly under military control), the talk of a "civil war" ramps up, as does promotions for a new third party.

Both of these notions are ridiculous for several reasons.  I will offer a logical starting point for "civil war", and a proven solution for a third party.

A civil war won't happen, mainly because Americans are too soft.  I don't mean soft in the way you may be thinking, where we'd rather not get off the couch; I mean those promoting or hoping for a civil war refuse to even cover their own bases.  How so?

Most people on the "civil war" bandwagon continue to associate with family and friends who are anti-American Marxist scum.  They won't even cut off their college-age children, or cut off communication with leftist siblings.  This should be the first step before any "civil war" talk.

If you refuse to disassociate with the enemy in your own lives, how will you partake in a civil war against those outside of your circles?  "Hey everyone, let's purge the country of these Marxists... oh, wait, no, not him... that's my cousin Larry!"

A foundational attribute of Marxism is hypocrisy.  Tax that guy, but not me.  Take his gun, but not mine.  Make him eat bugs, but let me eat steak.  Why would a true conservative engage in the same hypocrisy for the purpose of weakening our resolve?

When I say "the enemy", I don't mean some character you've never seen or met.  I mean YOUR leftist children.  I mean YOUR leftist parents, and YOUR leftist siblings.  Frankly, if you associate and coddle these enemies of our Republic, I mean YOU as well.

Stop giving aid and comfort to the enemy, otherwise, you're one of them.

Something we can all do short of a "civil war" is to stop supporting left leaning companies with our purchasing dollars. Is your dentist or doctor a rabid dem? Which phone company do you pay for service? Are you on twitter, facebook etc? Where do you shop? Are you buying cheap chinese shit or buying American? And when you buy American is it a conservative company? Is your priest a liberal if so change church's. There are many ways to fight a war.

If we had just one major news channel that told the truth we would not be in the situation we are in. the majority of the people voted for Trump and do not approve of what is going on. 

Quote from: taxed on February 19, 2021, 02:25:22 AM
I like getting into the nuts and bolts.  This should make some people uncomfortable.

https://conservativehardliner.com/why-civil-war-will-never-happen-and-why-third-party-stupid-idea

Liberals are not people, they are Automatons.

Just finished watching Patrick McGoohan's series from the '60s, "The Prisoner".
The war against the individual, the entrepreneur, the freedom loving - well defined..
"I am not a number, I am a free man!" - laughter...

So Liberalism, the conformists, the people who are "uncomfortable" realizing someone has an independent thought, or just desires to be left alone, freedom from government oversight, Big Brother.

IMO, we are too interdependent upon each other, and government, to really *know* freedom, to make the commitment, sacrifice and muster the will to do much more than "grumble" about the abuse we suffer.

The beautiful thing about the TEA party - there was no single leader the MSM could target, but everyone had the same idea.

Quote from: taxed on February 19, 2021, 02:25:22 AM
I like getting into the nuts and bolts.  This should make some people uncomfortable.

https://conservativehardliner.com/why-civil-war-will-never-happen-and-why-third-party-stupid-idea

The writer makes far too many assumptions. There will be no predicable 'process' by which people will come to a place of choosing a side. Ultimate choices will be made in dramatically different ways; peoples circumstances are unique and can vary greatly.

Quote from: WMK on February 19, 2021, 07:14:31 AM
The writer makes far too many assumptions. There will be no predicable 'process' by which people will come to a place of choosing a side. Ultimate choices will be made in dramatically different ways; peoples circumstances are unique and can vary greatly.

A lot of what has taken place over the decades has been the medias sway over public opinion. That ended, so if public opinion turns on the left, they will never recover, and that's the direction I see taking place, as evidenced by the hard push to institute Marxist policy as fast as possible, and again, this too will backfire and turn public opinion further against the left.

Aside from the image the CCP wants to create, they are losing this battle.

I don't knowingly associate with liberals at all. Thankfully the people closest to me are all conservatives, I have some cousins that are loons but I never talked to them much anyway. If a friend exposes themselves as a loony lib, they can expect to never hear from me again.

Quote from: taxed on February 19, 2021, 02:25:22 AM
https://conservativehardliner.com/why-civil-war-will-never-happen-and-why-third-party-stupid-idea

That article envisions a civil war as being that
people just start shooting one another.
That's not how the coming civil war will happen.

It will start with the U.S. "government" issuing Draconian orders,
like confiscating everybody's guns, etc.

Many communities will disregard the orders.
Many sheriffs will do the right thing.

The U.S. "government" will then send thugs to
try to FORCE the sheriffs to obey their orders.

The lawful authorities (the sheriffs, and as many of us as they can deputize)
will act in our defense.

That's what the civil war will look like.
I expect it within five years, at the most.

Quote from: je_freedom on February 19, 2021, 12:18:53 PM
That article envisions a civil war as being that
people just start shooting one another.
That's not how the coming civil war will happen.

It will start with the U.S. "government" issuing Draconian orders,
like confiscating everybody's guns, etc.

Many communities will disregard the orders.
Many sheriffs will do the right thing.

The U.S. "government" will then send thugs to
try to FORCE the sheriffs to obey their orders.

The lawful authorities (the sheriffs, and as many of us as they can deputize)
will act in our defense.

That's what the civil war will look like.
I expect it within five years, at the most.

If you're defining a civil was as a "Fort Sumter" moment, then I'd be inclined to agree with you. However, IMHO, leftist are already in a civil war mode.  And the 'right' is about to enter that threshold, mainly due to the elections, and cyber oligarchs.  I'm of the belief once the government puts forth a serious effort to take away firearms from the citizenry, our "Fort Sumter" moment will have arrived.

Quote from: yrunvs on February 19, 2021, 04:14:13 AM
Something we can all do short of a "civil war" is to stop supporting left leaning companies with our purchasing dollars. Is your dentist or doctor a rabid dem? Which phone company do you pay for service? Are you on twitter, facebook etc? Where do you shop? Are you buying cheap chinese shit or buying American? And when you buy American is it a conservative company? Is your priest a liberal if so change church's. There are many ways to fight a war.

These points in the article, but the premise being that these should AT LEAST be done, i.e., they're not a "way to fight", but a pre-requisite.  It's like my dad told me once when I cleaned my room and made my bed and tried to garner approval: "you don't get credit for things you should be doing anyway".

Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2021, 05:43:27 AM
Liberals are not people, they are Automatons.

Is that why they break when I kick one?

Quote from: WMK on February 19, 2021, 07:14:31 AM
The writer makes far too many assumptions. There will be no predicable 'process' by which people will come to a place of choosing a side. Ultimate choices will be made in dramatically different ways; peoples circumstances are unique and can vary greatly.

(Real) conservatives know when a family member is a libtard lunatic.  You've already "chosen a side" if you don't cut them off, because their declared intent of supporting the destruction and demise of our Republic is totally cool with you (not you, conservatives in general).

Quote from: je_freedom on February 19, 2021, 12:18:53 PM
That article envisions a civil war as being that
people just start shooting one another.
That's not how the coming civil war will happen.

I think a civil war could be cyber. I think it could involve shooting.  I think it could be against state politicians and not necessarily against the feds.  It could be the country against AntiFa-BLM.

Ask ten people what a civil war would look like and you'll get eleven different answers.  The points in the article, however, I think hold true for whatever form a battlefield would take.

Quote
It will start with the U.S. "government" issuing Draconian orders,
like confiscating everybody's guns, etc.

Many communities will disregard the orders.
Many sheriffs will do the right thing.

The U.S. "government" will then send thugs to
try to FORCE the sheriffs to obey their orders.

The lawful authorities (the sheriffs, and as many of us as they can deputize)
will act in our defense.

I don't disagree with any of these points.

Quote
That's what the civil war will look like.
I expect it within five years, at the most.

I'm not as prophetic as you, nor am I as doomy.

Civil war never starts simply because a political party that we don't like won.

Civil war begins only when the winning party physically prevents the followers of the losing party from living.

When the disadvantaged people begin to understand that if they do not fight against their oppressors, they will simply die of hunger, cold and lack of self-respect.

People need to be brought to civil war by the method of robbing and humiliating them.

I see that the US Democratic Party, which stole the elections, is ready to go all the way. They are ready and are already taking away our freedom of speech and freedom to own weapons. They (the Democratic Party) are ready to arrange total surveillance of us. They do not intend to respect our constitutional rights.

But still, some time must pass for normal people in the country to understand that an armed struggle against the dictatorship of the socialists is all that remains for
us.