I like getting into the nuts and bolts. This should make some people uncomfortable.
https://conservativehardliner.com/why-civil-war-will-never-happen-and-why-third-party-stupid-idea
QuoteWith many conservatives buying into the illusion of a Creepy administration (which I haven't -- I think we're somehow quietly under military control), the talk of a "civil war" ramps up, as does promotions for a new third party.
Both of these notions are ridiculous for several reasons. I will offer a logical starting point for "civil war", and a proven solution for a third party.
A civil war won't happen, mainly because Americans are too soft. I don't mean soft in the way you may be thinking, where we'd rather not get off the couch; I mean those promoting or hoping for a civil war refuse to even cover their own bases. How so?
Most people on the "civil war" bandwagon continue to associate with family and friends who are anti-American Marxist scum. They won't even cut off their college-age children, or cut off communication with leftist siblings. This should be the first step before any "civil war" talk.
If you refuse to disassociate with the enemy in your own lives, how will you partake in a civil war against those outside of your circles? "Hey everyone, let's purge the country of these Marxists... oh, wait, no, not him... that's my cousin Larry!"
A foundational attribute of Marxism is hypocrisy. Tax that guy, but not me. Take his gun, but not mine. Make him eat bugs, but let me eat steak. Why would a true conservative engage in the same hypocrisy for the purpose of weakening our resolve?
When I say "the enemy", I don't mean some character you've never seen or met. I mean YOUR leftist children. I mean YOUR leftist parents, and YOUR leftist siblings. Frankly, if you associate and coddle these enemies of our Republic, I mean YOU as well.
Stop giving aid and comfort to the enemy, otherwise, you're one of them.
Something we can all do short of a "civil war" is to stop supporting left leaning companies with our purchasing dollars. Is your dentist or doctor a rabid dem? Which phone company do you pay for service? Are you on twitter, facebook etc? Where do you shop? Are you buying cheap chinese shit or buying American? And when you buy American is it a conservative company? Is your priest a liberal if so change church's. There are many ways to fight a war.
If we had just one major news channel that told the truth we would not be in the situation we are in. the majority of the people voted for Trump and do not approve of what is going on.
Quote from: taxed on February 19, 2021, 02:25:22 AM
I like getting into the nuts and bolts. This should make some people uncomfortable.
https://conservativehardliner.com/why-civil-war-will-never-happen-and-why-third-party-stupid-idea
Liberals are not people, they are Automatons. :biggrin:
Just finished watching Patrick McGoohan's series from the '60s, "The Prisoner".
The war against the individual, the entrepreneur, the freedom loving - well defined..
"I am not a number, I am a free man!" - laughter...
So Liberalism, the conformists, the people who are "uncomfortable" realizing someone has an independent thought, or just desires to be left alone, freedom from government oversight, Big Brother.
IMO, we are too interdependent upon each other, and government, to really *know* freedom, to make the commitment, sacrifice and muster the will to do much more than "grumble" about the abuse we suffer.
The beautiful thing about the TEA party - there was no single leader the MSM could target, but everyone had the same idea.
Quote from: taxed on February 19, 2021, 02:25:22 AM
I like getting into the nuts and bolts. This should make some people uncomfortable.
https://conservativehardliner.com/why-civil-war-will-never-happen-and-why-third-party-stupid-idea
The writer makes far too many assumptions. There will be no predicable 'process' by which people will come to a place of choosing a side. Ultimate choices will be made in dramatically different ways; peoples circumstances are unique and can vary greatly.
Quote from: WMK on February 19, 2021, 07:14:31 AM
The writer makes far too many assumptions. There will be no predicable 'process' by which people will come to a place of choosing a side. Ultimate choices will be made in dramatically different ways; peoples circumstances are unique and can vary greatly.
A lot of what has taken place over the decades has been the medias sway over public opinion. That ended, so if public opinion turns on the left, they will never recover, and that's the direction I see taking place, as evidenced by the hard push to institute Marxist policy as fast as possible, and again, this too will backfire and turn public opinion further against the left.
Aside from the image the CCP wants to create, they are losing this battle.
I don't knowingly associate with liberals at all. Thankfully the people closest to me are all conservatives, I have some cousins that are loons but I never talked to them much anyway. If a friend exposes themselves as a loony lib, they can expect to never hear from me again. :glare:
Quote from: taxed on February 19, 2021, 02:25:22 AM
https://conservativehardliner.com/why-civil-war-will-never-happen-and-why-third-party-stupid-idea
That article envisions a civil war as being that
people just start shooting one another.
That's not how the coming civil war will happen.
It will start with the U.S. "government" issuing Draconian orders,
like confiscating everybody's guns, etc.
Many communities will disregard the orders.
Many sheriffs will do the right thing.
The U.S. "government" will then send thugs to
try to FORCE the sheriffs to obey their orders.
The lawful authorities (the sheriffs, and as many of us as they can deputize)
will act in our defense.
That's what the civil war will look like.
I expect it within five years, at the most.
Quote from: je_freedom on February 19, 2021, 12:18:53 PM
That article envisions a civil war as being that
people just start shooting one another.
That's not how the coming civil war will happen.
It will start with the U.S. "government" issuing Draconian orders,
like confiscating everybody's guns, etc.
Many communities will disregard the orders.
Many sheriffs will do the right thing.
The U.S. "government" will then send thugs to
try to FORCE the sheriffs to obey their orders.
The lawful authorities (the sheriffs, and as many of us as they can deputize)
will act in our defense.
That's what the civil war will look like.
I expect it within five years, at the most.
If you're defining a civil was as a "Fort Sumter" moment, then I'd be inclined to agree with you. However, IMHO, leftist are already in a civil war mode. And the 'right' is about to enter that threshold, mainly due to the elections, and cyber oligarchs. I'm of the belief once the government puts forth a serious effort to take away firearms from the citizenry, our "Fort Sumter" moment will have arrived.
Quote from: yrunvs on February 19, 2021, 04:14:13 AM
Something we can all do short of a "civil war" is to stop supporting left leaning companies with our purchasing dollars. Is your dentist or doctor a rabid dem? Which phone company do you pay for service? Are you on twitter, facebook etc? Where do you shop? Are you buying cheap chinese shit or buying American? And when you buy American is it a conservative company? Is your priest a liberal if so change church's. There are many ways to fight a war.
These points in the article, but the premise being that these should AT LEAST be done, i.e., they're not a "way to fight", but a pre-requisite. It's like my dad told me once when I cleaned my room and made my bed and tried to garner approval: "you don't get credit for things you should be doing anyway".
Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2021, 05:43:27 AM
Liberals are not people, they are Automatons. :biggrin:
Is that why they break when I kick one?
Quote from: WMK on February 19, 2021, 07:14:31 AM
The writer makes far too many assumptions. There will be no predicable 'process' by which people will come to a place of choosing a side. Ultimate choices will be made in dramatically different ways; peoples circumstances are unique and can vary greatly.
(Real) conservatives know when a family member is a libtard lunatic. You've already "chosen a side" if you don't cut them off, because their declared intent of supporting the destruction and demise of our Republic is totally cool with you (not you, conservatives in general).
Quote from: je_freedom on February 19, 2021, 12:18:53 PM
That article envisions a civil war as being that
people just start shooting one another.
That's not how the coming civil war will happen.
I think a civil war could be cyber. I think it could involve shooting. I think it could be against state politicians and not necessarily against the feds. It could be the country against AntiFa-BLM.
Ask ten people what a civil war would look like and you'll get eleven different answers. The points in the article, however, I think hold true for whatever form a battlefield would take.
Quote
It will start with the U.S. "government" issuing Draconian orders,
like confiscating everybody's guns, etc.
Many communities will disregard the orders.
Many sheriffs will do the right thing.
The U.S. "government" will then send thugs to
try to FORCE the sheriffs to obey their orders.
The lawful authorities (the sheriffs, and as many of us as they can deputize)
will act in our defense.
I don't disagree with any of these points.
Quote
That's what the civil war will look like.
I expect it within five years, at the most.
I'm not as prophetic as you, nor am I as doomy.
Civil war never starts simply because a political party that we don't like won.
Civil war begins only when the winning party physically prevents the followers of the losing party from living.
When the disadvantaged people begin to understand that if they do not fight against their oppressors, they will simply die of hunger, cold and lack of self-respect.
People need to be brought to civil war by the method of robbing and humiliating them.
I see that the US Democratic Party, which stole the elections, is ready to go all the way. They are ready and are already taking away our freedom of speech and freedom to own weapons. They (the Democratic Party) are ready to arrange total surveillance of us. They do not intend to respect our constitutional rights.
But still, some time must pass for normal people in the country to understand that an armed struggle against the dictatorship of the socialists is all that remains for
us.
Folks, we're in a civil war, the Marxist Left has been on the assault for years. Think of it as a giant and very slow moving barrel roller, rolling across the world forcing change as it goes.
Taxed is Right, there won't be a conventional war as we know it, no, people in general are happy sheep willing to follow the crowd as it moves where the giant roller wants them to go.
Think about it, the left has, at a very slow pace, been setting a social agenda. "Save the whales" was an early leftist movement, AGW was the first real noticeable push scaring kids, kids that are now adults and voting.
The list is long, DDT, Spotted Owl, all in no particular order, they create distractions in a normal society to make people think they are killing the environment.
Point is, everything from the left is, and always will be a lie. Face masks? Yeah, either you wear the badge of the sheep or you say enough is enough. Your call!
Are you sheep, or are you going to say, enough is enough? This is how we fight back, refuse to be one of the sheep!
Quote from: taxed on February 19, 2021, 08:53:24 PM
(Real) conservatives know when a family member is a libtard lunatic. You've already "chosen a side" if you don't cut them off, because their declared intent of supporting the destruction and demise of our Republic is totally cool with you (not you, conservatives in general).
And therein lies the flashpoint; when the conservative realizes or experiences the negative effects of a Marxist policy then traces it back to the root cause -the voter.
Quote from: Yuriy the Loader on February 20, 2021, 05:24:52 AM
Civil war never starts simply because a political party that we don't like won.
Civil war begins only when the winning party physically prevents the followers of the losing party from living.
When the disadvantaged people begin to understand that if they do not fight against their oppressors, they will simply die of hunger, cold and lack of self-respect.
People need to be brought to civil war by the method of robbing and humiliating them.
I see that the US Democratic Party, which stole the elections, is ready to go all the way. They are ready and are already taking away our freedom of speech and freedom to own weapons. They (the Democratic Party) are ready to arrange total surveillance of us. They do not intend to respect our constitutional rights.
But still, some time must pass for normal people in the country to understand that an armed struggle against the dictatorship of the socialists is all that remains for
us.
Under the ruse of unity, the marxist party is trying very hard to rub the nose of conservatives into the pile of crap the marxist created. Yesterday started the unarmed invasion of CA by illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America. The number is 25,600. That's a lie and we know it. Looks like the commie governor doesn't have a problem with it. Texas is also getting a dose of the unarmed invaders, but they have at least said something about it, not that it will do any good. The flood gates are open and the tide is rising.
Getting the right answer for a math problem is "racist" now and public schools are being trained to teach this concept. A truth commission is being set up. Facebutt and tweaker are deciding the facts. The marxist are wanting a domestic surveillance program for the domestic terrorists who voted MAGA.
Their, the marxist, grand prize is to destroy our President Trump at any cost. For symbolism the marxist have encircled the Capitol with fences and razor wire, complete with armed troops roaming the perimeter. The message is "MAGA and Trump supporters are terrorist who want to storm the capitol and kill everyone". Parler is accused of planning the Jan. 6th protest at the Capitol. No one reports only 6 people that were arrested had used Parler. Most of the preplanning was on Facebutt, like 80%.
Children in elementary schools are drawing pictures of cops shooting blacks. Classrooms have become blm central in all things. And if you say anything other than 2+2=5, you're a racist. School board meetings allow a speaker 1 minute and then shown the door. American history and civics have been replaced with the 1619 project. John horse face Kerry says we have 9 years left before the planet dies. Chairman Xiden said white supremist are the biggest national threat. Equal outcome has replaced equal opportunity.
The list goes on. The fuse is lit. How quickly it burns is yet to be determined. 100 million are already awake and waiting, the other marxist half has not been directly affected yet, but it's coming. I don't care how progressive someone is, sooner or later they will realize what's happening to this country is not good. 25% of the country are committed communists and they are cheering on their masters. A $15 per hour minimum wage means the end of part time jobs for high schoolers. The flood of illegals will put a damper on any wage growth for all Americans, including union members. There are only a couple groups that will profit from the marxist regime, govt. employees and the teachers union. The rest will be reduced to servicing the rich or eating fish and rice.
I will not go quietly into the night.
Civil war in America now, would make the carnage of the first civil war pale in comparison to another, in the destruction of property and lives. The manner in which our military dedicates itself is the sole factor which will determine any "victor" if there are any remaining. A civil war, with the modern war machine involved, would end up as an Armageddon, if you will. It would be catastrophic beyond measure.
If our country gets to the point where the people lose freedom and struggle to survive, leadership must change hands. A coup would be the least destructive for everyone. Let's hope we never have to see either.
Quote from: UltimateDeplorable on February 20, 2021, 03:48:55 PM
Civil war in America now, would make the carnage of the first civil war pale in comparison to another, in the destruction of property and lives. The manner in which our military dedicates itself is the sole factor which will determine any "victor" if there are any remaining. A civil war, with the modern war machine involved, would end up as an Armageddon, if you will. It would be catastrophic beyond measure.
If our country gets to the point where the people lose freedom and struggle to survive, leadership must change hands. A coup would be the least destructive for everyone. Let's hope we never have to see either.
Yes, everything is absolutely correct. But what do you offer in return? Kneel down and kiss black sneakers?
Quote from: UltimateDeplorable on February 20, 2021, 03:48:55 PM
Civil war in America now, would make the carnage of the first civil war pale in comparison to another, in the destruction of property and lives. The manner in which our military dedicates itself is the sole factor which will determine any "victor" if there are any remaining. A civil war, with the modern war machine involved, would end up as an Armageddon, if you will. It would be catastrophic beyond measure.
If our country gets to the point where the people lose freedom and struggle to survive, leadership must change hands. A coup would be the least destructive for everyone. Let's hope we never have to see either.
Here's the flip side, maybe. Maybe we should ask the Russians what they think about the Taliban? I seem to recall that bunch of rag tags did a fairly decent job of sending the Russians back to the mother land. And how long have US troops been in Afghanistan? Coming up on 20 years and we're still there, why I don't know since they have our troops fighting with a lawyer looking over their shoulders. My daughter was over there and she said they, the US, have some pretty cool weapons at their disposal.
I believe it's unconstitutional to us the military within our borders on our citizens, I could be wrong about that. National Guard, yes. Will they obey an order to shoot a citizen? Just a thought.
Quote from: UltimateDeplorable on February 20, 2021, 03:48:55 PM
Civil war in America now, would make the carnage of the first civil war pale in comparison to another, in the destruction of property and lives. The manner in which our military dedicates itself is the sole factor which will determine any "victor" if there are any remaining. A civil war, with the modern war machine involved, would end up as an Armageddon, if you will. It would be catastrophic beyond measure.
If our country gets to the point where the people lose freedom and struggle to survive, leadership must change hands. A coup would be the least destructive for everyone. Let's hope we never have to see either.
Be thankful the military is on our side.
Quote from: Pop Daddy on February 20, 2021, 08:46:12 PM
Here's the flip side, maybe. Maybe we should ask the Russians what they think about the Taliban? I seem to recall that bunch of rag tags did a fairly decent job of sending the Russians back to the mother land. And how long have US troops been in Afghanistan? Coming up on 20 years and we're still there, why I don't know since they have our troops fighting with a lawyer looking over their shoulders. My daughter was over there and she said they, the US, have some pretty cool weapons at their disposal.
I believe it's unconstitutional to us the military within our borders on our citizens, I could be wrong about that. National Guard, yes. Will they obey an order to shoot a citizen? Just a thought.
I have always been of the opinion that the state has the right to punish its enemies, even if those enemies are hiding in the caves of Afghanistan.
But punish! Instead of building roads, bridges and hospitals for them. These roads, bridges and hospitals and in the United States would not hurt anyone.
The army is needed. An army needs a powerful, disciplined, deeply echeloned, fast and well-controlled. A dangerous enemy wound up somewhere in the world, flew in and destroyed. Building roads and hospitals is not necessary. All the same, they will not love us, and we do not need their love at all. It is more important for us that we love ourselves and not build socialism here.
Quoteenemies are hiding in the caves of Afghanistan
Here, separately, I would like to, once again, emphasize the fragility of civilizations.
Who was in Afghanistan, they probably noticed that the nature of the country is very arid. But nevertheless, in the history of Afghanistan, during the so-called "pre-Muslim" period of development, this now wild and inhospitable country flourished and grew a significant amount of all kinds of cereals and vegetables, which do not grow there at all.
This circumstance is explained quite simply. The pre-Muslim, for the most part, Buddhist civilization of Afghanistan did not hinder the development of sciences there. In those days, the Afghan people, not only knew how to create 100-foot statues of Buddha, but also settlement canals that diverted water from the mountainous regions of the country, where there is plenty of it, to the flatland, arid ones.
These very caves, in which Osama bin Laden and other carrion was hiding, are the remains of those structures that have now fallen into disrepair.
Civilization is a very fragile thing. It was enough for Islam to replace Buddhism, civilization simply disappeared. If socialism replaces the "American Dream", then our civilization will also disappear.
I've mentioned this before here but I cannot stress it enough. If you want to win the modern day civil war each of us need to wizen up to where we are spending our money and with whom we are doing business. Buy from conservative American companies only. Get off of twitter and facebook. Get to know which companies are taking their profits and are supporting conservative causes and which companies are supporting liberal causes. Find out if your dentist is a radical commie or a patriot. Drop verizon and hire patriot mobile. I'm not saying to boycott anything just to support like minded people. That's how you win the modern civil war. I hate liberals for what they are doing to our country and that goes for my neighbors, my grocer, my dentist, my priest (yes there are dem priests), and the people next to me in line at the gas station.
BTW The mask is the liberals and rino's uniform.
Nearly half conservatives say they'd join a new party NOT associated with current repunks.
https://thehill.com/homenews/politics-101/539779-almost-half-of-republicans-would-join-trump-party-poll
Definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.
Quote from: yrunvs on February 21, 2021, 03:58:38 PM
I've mentioned this before here but I cannot stress it enough. If you want to win the modern day civil war each of us need to wizen up to where we are spending our money and with whom we are doing business. Buy from conservative American companies only. Get off of twitter and facebook. Get to know which companies are taking their profits and are supporting conservative causes and which companies are supporting liberal causes. Find out if your dentist is a radical commie or a patriot. Drop verizon and hire patriot mobile. I'm not saying to boycott anything just to support like minded people. That's how you win the modern civil war. I hate liberals for what they are doing to our country and that goes for my neighbors, my grocer, my dentist, my priest (yes there are dem priests), and the people next to me in line at the gas station.
BTW The mask is the liberals and rino's uniform.
I certainly don't disagree with your principles and would encourage that practice where practical. However, the most direct way of change will be for us to actively communicate with our state reps. Via protests, visits, phone calls texts, emails.... This should be on consciences of ALL who claim to be conservative voters.
Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2021, 05:43:27 AM
Liberals are not people, they are Automatons. :biggrin:
I would agree that is definitely what they have become. But in the classic meaning of liberal I consider myself a liberal on many issues. At one time in this country the right to free speech freedom of religion the right to bear arms and the right to self governing we're about as liberal as you could get.
I've never really considered liberals the enemy rather it's the radical left that is the real problem. And I believe there is a wide divide between the two
Quote from: Dirtbomb on February 23, 2021, 05:49:46 AM
I would agree that is definitely what they have become. But in the classic meaning of liberal I consider myself a liberal on many issues. At one time in this country the right to free speech freedom of religion the right to bear arms and the right to self governing we're about as liberal as you could get.
I've never really considered liberals the enemy rather it's the radical left that is the real problem. And I believe there is a wide divide between the two
In a fair election, I believe the breakdown would have been 80/20. Trump has the support of the Nation, truth is, there isn't that big of a divide and there aren't that many leftists that voted Marxist.
What we're seeing is an illusion being created by the left, where the media ignores public opinion and creates their own narrative.
The Classic Liberal is the true Conservative, the statesman if you will, the bastardized version of the term liberal existed in the 1940s, by the 60s the Marxists were making inroads into the DNC, by the 70s they were secure, and started working on the GOP with monitory influence, which now controls the party.
Point being, we have no leadership, but we have opportunity to take back our Nation and our Culture because what you see in media is a fabrication and the majority of the Nation wants to return to a normal and functioning society.