Quote from: Solar on December 25, 2014, 08:39:06 AM
Define "national level organization".

TEA groups from all over (the more, the merrier!) communicating directly with each other, and establishing a communications and information network for the purpose of formulating comprehensive strategies, one for countering the propaganda campaign being waged against us by both major parties, and second for using the party primary system in order find, thoroughly vet, and put our own presidential candidate in the drivers seat for the general election. Such organizing includes formulating a unified strategy for campaigning for our candidate should we be successful in pulling off an "upset". Also, assist each other in vetting various congressional candidates (not every group knows everything, even about their own situation!), campaign strategies, and any other items in which information from one area can - and undoubtedly will - help TEA groups in other areas.

I am NOT talking about building any kind of formalized infrastructure, leadership hierarchy, or anything that would resemble a single organization (noun) for our opponents to focus on. Rather, I am proposing organizing (verb) our efforts so that we don't end up like 2012 wherein various TEA movements in various areas each had their own plan, some of which were mutually exclusive, with the result that the establishment had absolutely no problem in shoving their preferred throw-away candidate on us (thus getting the Bamster in for another four), as well as subverting a number of our congressional campaigns with their anti-TEA propaganda campaign.

It is my solid opinion that the success of the establishment in 2012, and the inability of TEA groups all over to affect the presidential primary in even the slightest manner, was due to the fact that we simply do not communicate with each other on a meaningful (ie: strategizing and information exchange) level. If we want to take our movement beyond getting a (relatively ineffectual) minority of congress on our side, we need to start planning bigger. And that takes a certain modicum of organization beyond local, or even state groups.

Quote from: walkstall on December 25, 2014, 10:12:49 AM
Home town, county or even state but not national.

Exactly! Even setting boundaries/restrictions on what TEA means would be a certain deathknell.

Quote from: Solar on December 25, 2014, 06:56:03 AM
You are exactly correct MS. Making TEA a 3rd party entity amongst 23 other failed third partyattempts, of which consist of other great Conservative movements killed off by the Establishment, is pure idiocy, and one both party's could only dream of TEA becoming a party.

Your knowledge and keen grasp of American politics continues to astound me.
We could use clear young minds such as yours running for office here in the US..

lol, leave Norway for Washington? Nooo way. I would be happy to emmigrate almost everywhere else though, just need a green card. Guess I can always emmigrate to the US the democrat way if the Law doesn't suit me 

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 25, 2014, 11:15:43 AM
lol, leave Norway for Washington? Nooo way. I would be happy to emmigrate almost everywhere else though, just need a green card. Guess I can always emmigrate to the US the democrat way if the Law doesn't suit me 

Your'e white, forget a green card.

Quote from: Solar on December 25, 2014, 11:20:05 AM

Your'e white, forget a green card.

My wife is black, so according to liberals she would be choked and then shot to death by the first police officer she meets  not a good plan

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 25, 2014, 11:28:32 AM
My wife is black, so according to liberals she would be choked and then shot to death by the first police officer she meets  not a good plan

Tell her just don't sell cigarettes one at a time in NYC.   

Quote from: walkstall on December 25, 2014, 11:37:53 AM
Tell her just don't sell cigarettes one at a time in NYC.   

But what about her other habits such as buying skittles and melon tea for some sort of drink and beating people to near death for looking at her, not to mention strong arm robbing stores, smoking weed etc will that be okay? 

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 25, 2014, 11:46:18 AM
But what about her other habits such as buying skittles and melon tea for some sort of drink and beating people to near death for looking at her, not to mention strong arm robbing stores, smoking weed etc will that be okay? 

Cool! She can claim victim status

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 25, 2014, 11:28:32 AM
My wife is black, so according to liberals she would be choked and then shot to death by the first police officer she meets  not a good plan

Silly, get her a shirt that say's "I'm Wit Da Honkie".... OK, I'm going now.....

Quote from: Solar on December 25, 2014, 12:04:27 PM
Cool! She can claim victim status

Then they will have to let us stay!  Liberal Logic is cool

Quote from: Solar on December 25, 2014, 12:10:15 PM
Silly, get her a shirt that say's "I'm Wit Da Honkie".... OK, I'm going now.....

Damn, now thats politically incorrect  You win, I think we all better scram

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 25, 2014, 12:14:04 PM
Then they will have to let us stay!  Liberal Logic is cool

Damn, now thats politically incorrect  You win, I think we all better scram

Yeah, I'm in a goofy mood.

Quote from: Mountainshield on December 25, 2014, 11:46:18 AM
But what about her other habits such as buying skittles and melon tea for some sort of drink and beating people to near death for looking at her, not to mention strong arm robbing stores, smoking weed etc will that be okay? 

I think she would be pushing with the skittles.  But then I don't live in NYC.   

Quote from: walkstall on December 25, 2014, 11:37:53 AM
Tell her just don't sell cigarettes one at a time in NYC.   

Or try to take a cop's gun away from him!

Darth

Quote from: zewazir on December 25, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
TEA groups from all over (the more, the merrier!) communicating directly with each other, and establishing a communications and information network for the purpose of formulating comprehensive strategies, one for countering the propaganda campaign being waged against us by both major parties, and second for using the party primary system in order find, thoroughly vet, and put our own presidential candidate in the drivers seat for the general election. Such organizing includes formulating a unified strategy for campaigning for our candidate should we be successful in pulling off an "upset". Also, assist each other in vetting various congressional candidates (not every group knows everything, even about their own situation!), campaign strategies, and any other items in which information from one area can - and undoubtedly will - help TEA groups in other areas.

I am NOT talking about building any kind of formalized infrastructure, leadership hierarchy, or anything that would resemble a single organization (noun) for our opponents to focus on. Rather, I am proposing organizing (verb) our efforts so that we don't end up like 2012 wherein various TEA movements in various areas each had their own plan, some of which were mutually exclusive, with the result that the establishment had absolutely no problem in shoving their preferred throw-away candidate on us (thus getting the Bamster in for another four), as well as subverting a number of our congressional campaigns with their anti-TEA propaganda campaign.

It is my solid opinion that the success of the establishment in 2012, and the inability of TEA groups all over to affect the presidential primary in even the slightest manner, was due to the fact that we simply do not communicate with each other on a meaningful (ie: strategizing and information exchange) level. If we want to take our movement beyond getting a (relatively ineffectual) minority of congress on our side, we need to start planning bigger. And that takes a certain modicum of organization beyond local, or even state groups.

You make some good points that a united effort could be effective. However, that can become a slippery slope to an organized party. I reiterate the power of TEA is that we are somewhat stealth. The enemies, democrats and establishment GOP, do not have a specific target right now. They are confused and we continue to make gains. Our influence is increasing and eventually we will nominate a GOP candidate who is a true conservative.

Quote from: supsalemgr on December 25, 2014, 01:32:34 PM
You make some good points that a united effort could be effective. However, that can become a slippery slope to an organized party. I reiterate the power of TEA is that we are somewhat stealth. The enemies, democrats and establishment GOP, do not have a specific target right now. They are confused and we continue to make gains. Our influence is increasing and eventually we will nominate a GOP candidate who is a true conservative.

Exactly, tHAT''S THE BEAUTY OF THE MOVEMENT, NO ACTUAL TARGETS.
Damn caps lock!

The other issue with forming an actual movement with stated goals, is that not everyone will be pleased.
Right now, the movement is focused on shrinking an over bearing govt, but say we focus to include morality, then we lose a small percentage, and every vote is important.
Or say the plank states we don't include morality, then we piss off the religious.

Granted, these are poor examples, but it proves the point having an all inclusive platform of simple change in focusing on Liberty and lower taxes has worked.
To mess with that now would pigeonhole us and kill the movement.