At some point Trump has to reconcile with Cruz. I can't see him winning even with Dem support without all Cruz followers on board. Does it happen or not?
Would like to hear everyone's thoughts.
You mean before the nomination is secured? Not even remotely possible.
You have to realize, this is an all or nothing for the leftists.
And by leftists, I mean a shared Establishment that controls both party's and the media.
They cannot afford to allow the people to actually control their own destiny, especially under a man like Cruz, someone that threatens their very existence a man willing to kill their gravy train, someone that's already stated that special interests have no place in govt.
Assassination is truly a concern here.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on January 22, 2016, 06:16:42 AM
You mean before the nomination is secured? Not even remotely possible.
After (assuming he does win). His ego wouldn't allow him to do it before.
Quote from: Cruzman on January 22, 2016, 06:51:59 AM
After. His ego wouldn't allow him to do it before.
After depends on Cruz -- the political calculation Cruz would make. Of course Trump would welcome reconciliation, on his terms, of course. It would have to come off as though Cruz were kissing his ring.
Quote from: Cali Contrarian on January 22, 2016, 06:55:14 AM
After depends on Cruz -- the political calculation Cruz would make. Of course Trump would welcome reconciliation, on his terms, of course. It would have to come off as though Cruz were kissing his ring.
Would Trump reach out first or go it alone without Cruz is sort of where I was heading?
Quote from: Cruzman on January 22, 2016, 06:57:46 AM
Would Trump reach out first or go it alone without Cruz is sort of where I was heading?
Trump would have to initiate. I guess I don't fully grasp what you're driving at. I don't think Trump would or could offer anything that would be an upgrade over a senate seat. Just a perfunctory request for Cruz to issue a statement of support, which Cruz would probably honor out of graciousness, if things didn't get irreconcilably ugly in the interim.
I doubt Trump's people would view Cruz's support as being as vital as you believe it to be. It's a personality driven campaign --- they would just assume force of personality could deliver adequate support from conservatives, just like any other faction.
There's a reason it went personal in the first place, Trump even admitted it, Cruz was kicking his ass with actual substance.
This race literally comes down to issues over personality.
Lets face it, Trump's sucks and substance has never been part of the carnival barker's shtick.
Quote from: Cruzman on January 22, 2016, 06:51:59 AM
After (assuming he does win). His ego wouldn't allow him to do it before.
If you're asking if Cruz would accept an apology from Trump? Forgiveness is part of his fabric.
But if you're asking it Trump would accept an apology from Cruz. For what?
Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2016, 07:21:58 AM
If you're asking if Cruz would accept an apology from Trump? Forgiveness is part of his fabric.
But if you're asking it Trump would accept an apology from Cruz. For what?
No apologies just extend the olive branch (by Trump). Trump wouldn't apologize to his own mother. Cruz has nothing to apologize.
Who would have ever thought of Reagan Bush... Politics makes strange bedfellows.
Quote from: Solar on January 22, 2016, 06:32:47 AM
You have to realize, this is an all or nothing for the leftists.
And by leftists, I mean a shared Establishment that controls both party's and the media.
They cannot afford to allow the people to actually control their own destiny, especially under a man like Cruz, someone that threatens their very existence a man willing to kill their gravy train, someone that's already stated that special interests have no place in govt.
Assassination is truly a concern here.
Think the assassin would ever be found, or would he commit "suicide" out of "remorse"? Although I don't know. After reading a few of those Trumpsters on line, one could probably be egged into killing Cruz. Some of them don't strike me as all there.
Quote from: mdgiles on January 22, 2016, 10:26:29 AM
Think the assassin would ever be found, or would he commit "suicide" out of "remorse"? Although I don't know. After reading a few of those Trumpsters on line, one could probably be egged into killing Cruz. Some of them don't strike me as all there.
Yep, and I put nothing past the Establishment Marxists.
Quote from: Cruzman on January 22, 2016, 06:10:49 AM
At some point Trump has to reconcile with Cruz. I can't see him winning even with Dem support without all Cruz followers on board. Does it happen or not?
Would like to hear everyone's thoughts.
Here's part of the January 14 debate.
It happened pretty fast on TV,
but it's interesting to ponder in print.
The whole debate can be read at:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/14/6th-republican-debate-transcript-annotated-who-said-what-and-what-it-meant/
TRUMP: Number two, this isn't me saying it. I don't care. I think I'm going to win fair and square (inaudible) to win this way. Thank you.
Lawrence Tribe and (inaudible) from Harvard -- of Harvard, said that there is a serious question as to whether or not Ted can do this. OK? There are other attorneys that feel, and very, very fine constitutional attorneys, that feel that because he was not born on the land, he cannot run for office.
Here's the problem. We're running. We're running. He does great. I win. I choose him as my vice presidential candidate, and the Democrats sue because we can't take him along for the ride. I don't like that. OK?
(LAUGHTER)
The fact is -- and if for some reason he beats the rest of the field, he beats the rest of the field (inaudible). See, they don't like that. They don't like that.
(AUDIENCE BOOING)
No, they don't like he beats the rest of the field, because they want me.
(LAUGHTER)
But -- if for some reason, Neil, he beats the rest of the field, I already know the Democrats are going to be bringing a suit. You have a big lawsuit over your head while you're running.
And if you become the nominee, who the hell knows if you can even serve in office? So you should go out, get a declaratory judgment, let the courts decide. And you shouldn't have mentioned the polls because I would have been much...
CAVUTO: Why are you saying this now -- right now? Why are you raising this issue now?
TRUMP: Because now he's going a little bit better. No, I didn't care (inaudible). It's true. No, it's true. Hey look, he never had a chance. Now, he's doing better. He's got probably a four or five percent chance.
(LAUGHTER)
CRUZ: Neil...
TRUMP: The fact is, there is a big overhang. There's a big question mark on your head. And you can't do that to the party. You really can't. You can't do that to the party. You have to have certainty. Even if it was a one percent chance, and it's far greater than one percent because (inaudible).
I mean, you have great constitutional lawyers that say you can't run. If there was a -- and you know I'm not bringing a suit. I promise. But the Democrats are going to bring a lawsuit, and you have to have certainty. You can't have a question. I can agree with you or not, but you can't have a question over your head.
CAVUTO: Senator, do you want to respond?
CRUZ: Well, listen, I've spent my entire life defending the Constitution before the U.S. Supreme Court. And I'll tell you, I'm not going to be taking legal advice from Donald Trump.
TRUMP: You don't have to. Take it from Lawrence Tribe.
(APPLAUSE)
TRUMP: Take it from your professors...
CRUZ: The chances of any litigation proceeding and succeeding on this are zero. And Mr. Trump is very focused...
TRUMP: He's wrong. He's wrong.
CRUZ: ... on Larry Tribe. Let me tell you who Larry Tribe is. He's a left-wing judicial activist, Harvard Law professor who was Al Gore's lawyer in Bush versus Gore. He's a major Hillary Clinton supporter. And there's a reason why Hillary's supporters are echoing Donald's attacks on me, because Hillary...
TRUMP: He is not the only one.
CRUZ: ... wants to face Donald Trump in the general election.
TRUMP: There are many lawyers.
CRUZ: And I'll tell you what, Donald, you -- you very kindly just a moment ago offered me the V.P. slot.
(LAUGHTER)
I'll tell you what. If this all works out, I'm happy to consider naming you as V.P. So if you happen to be right, you could get the top job at the end of the day.
TRUMP: No -- no...
(LAUGHTER)
... I think if it doesn't...
(APPLAUSE)
I like that. I like it. I'd consider it. But I think I'll go back to building buildings if it doesn't work out.
CRUZ: Actually, I'd love to get you to build a wall.
(CROSSTALK)
TRUMP: I have a feeling it's going to work out, actually.
Bill Clinton will join a monastery before Trump reconciles anything.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 22, 2016, 07:00:27 PM
Bill Clinton will join a monastery before Trump reconciles anything.
:lol:
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 22, 2016, 07:00:27 PM
Bill Clinton will join a monastery before Trump reconciles anything.
Only as long as there woman at the monastery.
Quote from: mdgiles on January 22, 2016, 10:26:29 AM
Think the assassin would ever be found, or would he commit "suicide" out of "remorse"? Although I don't know. After reading a few of those Trumpsters on line, one could probably be egged into killing Cruz. Some of them don't strike me as all there.
Jihadi bombers, easily misled, have nothing on thwarted leftists. Sirhan B. Sirhan shot Bobby Kennedy over rights for "Palestine." Russian sympathizer Lee Harvey Oswald shot John Kennedy purportedly over politics involving Cuba.
If anyone should be afraid of assassins, it's the rich leftist, the crony capitalist with all that hair and ego.
Quote from: walkstall on January 22, 2016, 08:22:19 PM
Only as long as there woman at the monastery.
Women, men, randy Bill will roger anything. Because anything is better than Hillary.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 22, 2016, 09:03:21 PM
Women, men, randy Bill will roger anything. Because anything is better than Hillary.
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Quote from: Cali Contrarian on January 22, 2016, 06:55:14 AM
After depends on Cruz -- the political calculation Cruz would make. Of course Trump would welcome reconciliation, on his terms, of course. It would have to come off as though Cruz were kissing his ring.
Ridiculous Cruz would never do that. I don't think Cruz would ever even entertain it. Cruz is a real candidate and Trump is a barking Circus Clown.
Quote from: Cruzman on January 22, 2016, 06:51:59 AM
After (assuming he does win). His ego wouldn't allow him to do it before.
Everyone says Trump has an ego, and sure he does, to an extent, but I see through it. He's very insecure and unsure of himself. There's a reason he mentions Wharton School of Business every 5 minutes. He knows he can't launch new ventures, and was born to Fred Trump, so he knows he's lost. He is really delusional more than anything (hence why he says he did great with various failures, etc).