Once the slaughter is over and it's time to get down to business.
What do you want their priorities to be?
Health care...etc???
I'm curious, because I have yet to hear the Pubs spell out their plans, I hear a lot of rhetoric, but nothing solid.
I will be taking this thread and summarizing it into a letter to send off to the Pub party, they need to know that just because they won, the "business as usual" bull shit is over!
Now tell them what you expect them to do.
Quote from: Solar on October 03, 2010, 01:55:46 PM
Once the slaughter is over and it's time to get down to business.
What do you want their priorities to be?
Health care...etc???
I'm curious, because I have yet to hear the Pubs spell out their plans, I hear a lot of rhetoric, but nothing solid.
I will be taking this thread and summarizing it into a letter to send off to the Pub party, they need to know that just because they won, the "business as usual" bull shit is over!
Now tell them what you expect them to do.
Deficits and debt.
50% reduction in government
After repealing HusseinCare and the financial deform bill:
- Repeal the Sixteenth Amendment and transition us to the FairTax, eliminating the IRS.
- Term limits for representatives.
- Work to remove government from health care and move us to a consumer-centric model.
- A full audit of the Fed
- Cut the budget by 50%, and significantly increase military R&D....
and that's just the first week!
My first priority is for the dems to lose the majority. Until that's done, I'm not much into making a wish list. If we haven't expressed our unhappiness and our priorities to our Congressional members over the past 18 months, what's the point?
If we win the majority, then we'll talk.
1st 45 days -
Kill Obamacare
Cut GovCo spending 25% immediately
Require all who are receiving any public assistance show proof of citizenship
Next 3 months -
Devise plan of action to cut spending 30% over the next 3 years
Dissolve all retirement plans for all elected officials
Then the rest of the Year -
Devise plan to scale back and close military bases in Europe and Japan, it's well beyond the time for them to take care of their own security
Devise plan to replace all Federal Tax's with a flat sales tax that excludes medical and grocery expenditures
Create Website that itemizes every dime of government expenditure down to the pencil's and paper clips.
Now that's just a start
Quote from: Pagan on October 03, 2010, 02:55:50 PM
1st 45 days -
Kill Obamacare
Cut GovCo spending 25% immediately
Require all who are receiving any public assistance show proof of citizenship
Next 3 months -
Devise plan of action to cut spending 30% over the next 3 years
Dissolve all retirement plans for all elected officials
Then the rest of the Year -
Devise plan to scale back and close military bases in Europe and Japan, it's well beyond the time for them to take care of their own security
Devise plan to replace all Federal Tax's with a flat sales tax that excludes medical and grocery expenditures
Create Website that itemizes every dime of government expenditure down to the pencil's and paper clips.
Now that's just a start
I like that.
Quote from: Pagan on October 03, 2010, 02:55:50 PM
1st 45 days -
Kill Obamacare
Cut GovCo spending 25% immediately
Require all who are receiving any public assistance show proof of citizenship
Next 3 months -
Devise plan of action to cut spending 30% over the next 3 years
Dissolve all retirement plans for all elected officials
Then the rest of the Year -
Devise plan to scale back and close military bases in Europe and Japan, it's well beyond the time for them to take care of their own security
Devise plan to replace all Federal Tax's with a flat sales tax that excludes medical and grocery expenditures
Create Website that itemizes every dime of government expenditure down to the pencil's and paper clips.
Now that's just a start
I really like this one. No more free handouts. Including free health care. >:(
Instead of talking about what I would like to see, I'm going to talk about the things I've heard congressional republican leadership actually speak about.
We will kill Obamacare. We won't be able to take it out totally (ie repeal) until 2012, but we can try to kill it with a thousand little cuts over the next 2 years. Things like not funding the 15,000 new IRS agents needed to enforce Obamacare. With dozens of moves like this we can stop Obamacare from being a practical reality ling before we finalize it's repeal.
Next we will roll back the 88% increase to nondefense discretionary spending over the past 2 years. Bring it back to 2008 levels immediately.
Third, start clawing back any unspent stimulus funds.
Once we've done these things then we can start looking at areas of common ground. Maybe something like more charter schools or maybe an expansion of voucher programs.
Make no mistake people. We will make gains. And there will he times we can intimidate enough Dems to our side to win veto-proof majorities on certain issues. But Obama will still have the veto and that will limit the possible for the next 2 years.
Quote from: Dan on October 03, 2010, 03:31:10 PM
Instead of talking about what I would like to see, I'm going to talk about the things I've heard congressional republican leadership actually speak about.
We will kill Obamacare. We won't be able to take it out totally (ie repeal) until 2012, but we can try to kill it with a thousand little cuts over the next 2 years. Things like not funding the 15,000 new IRS agents needed to enforce Obamacare. With dozens of moves like this we can stop Obamacare from being a practical reality ling before we finalize it's repeal.
Next we will roll back the 88% increase to nondefense discretionary spending over the past 2 years. Bring it back to 2008 levels immediately.
Third, start clawing back any unspent stimulus funds.
Once we've done these things then we can start looking at areas of common ground. Maybe something like more charter schools or maybe an expansion of voucher programs.
Make no mistake people. We will make gains. And there will he times we can intimidate enough Dems to our side to win veto-proof majorities on certain issues. But Obama will still have the veto and that will limit the possible for the next 2 years.
I would not complain if these happened...
Show trials and firing squads. Then worry policy.
Quote from: taxed on October 03, 2010, 03:32:39 PM
I would not complain is these happened...
And Pigs can fly .....
I trust them about as far as I could throw them.
The Public has failed miserably with holding Politicians and government accountable.
Quote from: Pagan on October 03, 2010, 03:35:01 PM
And Pigs can fly .....
I trust them about as far as I could throw them.
The Public has failed miserably with holding Politicians and government accountable.
It has, but this new movement is real, and after the reps not up for election this round make the connection with the Tea Party and the onslaught, it will get their attention real quick.
Exactly! Remember that Obama is a stiff-necked ideologue with the veto pen. The self preservation instincts of guys like Ben Nelson will be needed to get us to veto proof majorities, but there is only so far the Ben Nelsons of the world are going move. That's why we can't expect to get too crazy before 2012.
Quote from: Dan on October 03, 2010, 03:38:26 PM
Exactly! Remember that Obama is a stiff-necked ideologue with the veto pen. The self preservation instincts of guys like Ben Nelson will be needed to get us to veto proof majorities, but there is only so far the Ben Nelsons of the world are going move. That's why we can't expect to get too crazy before 2012.
I am betting the Ben Nelsons, other RINOs, and even some harder lib Dems will inflate us to a 2/3 veto-proof majority... Once these people see all these new faces coming into DC, I think that will be the moment we will get them to vote more with us... At least on the stuff that is clear the public is pissed about...
Quote from: taxed on October 03, 2010, 03:43:51 PM
I am betting the Ben Nelsons, other RINOs, and even some harder lib Dems will inflate us to a 2/3 veto-proof majority... Once these people see all these new faces coming into DC, I think that will be the moment we will get them to vote more with us... At least on the stuff that is clear the public is pissed about...
Agreed. And the stuff I've outlined ought to be achievable marks. Better than 60% of the voters want to repeal Obamacare. The stimulus is highly unpopular and regarded as a failure. And everyone wants to get onboard with discretionary budget cuts. But talk of massive tax reforms and the like won't come until 2012.
Quote from: Pagan on October 03, 2010, 03:35:01 PM
And Pigs can fly .....
I trust them about as far as I could throw them.
The Public has failed miserably with holding Politicians and government accountable.
You shouldn't throw anything with that bad back of yours Ed.
Uh, Ben Nelson isn't a RINO. He is a DIM.
Quote from: taxed on October 03, 2010, 03:55:27 PM
You shouldn't throw anything with that bad back of yours Ed.
??? ??? ???
You having flashbacks again? All that Acid you took back in the 60's must be coming back to haunt you.
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Quote from: Pagan on October 03, 2010, 04:27:04 PM
??? ??? ???
You having flashbacks again? All that Acid you took back in the 60's must be coming back to haunt you.
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hahahahahaah
I guess my "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" quote went over your head...
Quote from: taxed on October 03, 2010, 03:43:51 PM
I am betting the Ben Nelsons, other RINOs, and even some harder lib Dems will inflate us to a 2/3 veto-proof majority... Once these people see all these new faces coming into DC, I think that will be the moment we will get them to vote more with us... At least on the stuff that is clear the public is pissed about...
I still don't think they get it, it's going to take a few election cycles of the incumbents getting their ass's thrown out for it to finally sink in.
Quote from: taxed on October 03, 2010, 04:27:58 PM
hahahahahaah
I guess my "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" quote went over your head...
Gotta give him credit for a funny prop even ifthe put down was weak. It made me laugh anyway. : P
Quote from: Dan on October 03, 2010, 04:34:15 PM
Gotta give him credit for a funny prop even ifthe put down was weak. It made me laugh anyway. : P
Plus, the book style is from O'Reilly, a publisher of a bunch of programming books, so he knew I'd get it...
Quote from: taxed on October 03, 2010, 04:35:23 PM
Plus, the book style is from O'Reilly, a publisher of a bunch of programming books, so he knew I'd get it...
Not just "any" O'Reilly book cover ;)
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on October 03, 2010, 04:45:04 PM
For those of you actually contemplating putting the GOPP back in power?
First, kiss what's left of what's good in America goodbye. Second,
deny that you had any part in America's destruction. Last, remain clueless
as long as you breathe and hope the rest of us save you from yourselves.
You may have to get a job. Don't worry, it isn't as scary as it seems.
Well taxed, if I were going to pick a drug reference for you then I would have picked one that fit you better. Like snorting coke off the ass of a stripper.
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on October 03, 2010, 04:45:04 PM
For those of you actually contemplating putting the GOPP back in power?
First, kiss what's left of what's good in America goodbye. Second,
deny that you had any part in America's destruction. Last, remain clueless
as long as you breathe and hope the rest of us save you from yourselves.
An insular, self-deluding straw man argument. We must have a liberal in the room.
Quote from: Dan on October 03, 2010, 04:47:42 PM
Well taxed, if I were going to pick a drug reference for you then I would have picked one that fit you better. Like snorting coke off the ass of a stripper.
I don't miss those days.
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Quote from: taxed on October 03, 2010, 04:50:04 PM
I don't miss those days.
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Yeah I miss the 80's too ;D
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on October 03, 2010, 04:45:04 PM
For those of you actually contemplating putting the GOPP back in power?
First, kiss what's left of what's good in America goodbye. Second,
deny that you had any part in America's destruction. Last, remain clueless
as long as you breathe and hope the rest of us save you from yourselves.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
A fantastic tantrum.
And with that Bama strode out of the room with his head held high and his feet held higher.....
Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 03, 2010, 05:12:13 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
A fantastic tantrum.
And with that Bama strode out of the room with his head held high and his feet held higher.....
His feet were pinned behind his ears...
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on October 03, 2010, 04:45:04 PM
For those of you actually contemplating putting the GOPP back in power?
First, kiss what's left of what's good in America goodbye. Second,
deny that you had any part in America's destruction. Last, remain clueless
as long as you breathe and hope the rest of us save you from yourselves.
Beau, how's that hope and change shit with the DIMS working out for you?
You all touched on some very good points. I think in addition we should once and for all open up drilling. Don't let the democrats force us to purchase oil from our enemies.I'm tired of the Obama's lending money to other countries petroleum industry.The idea that wind and solar, industries that have to be heavily subsidized by the government, are remotely a viable alternative is ludicrous.Yes, we do need to think ahead to the future, but cutting our energy supplies will only raise costs across the board. And once again the middle class will pick up the tab.This behavior manipulation by elitists has got to stop.
Quote from: Indy on October 03, 2010, 05:18:58 PM
You all touched on some very good points. I think in addition we should once and for all open up drilling. Don't let the democrats force us to purchase oil from our enemies.I'm tired of the Obama's lending money to other countries petroleum industry.The idea that wind and solar, industries that have to be heavily subsidized by the government, are remotely a viable alternative is ludicrous.Yes, we do need to think ahead to the future, but cutting our energy supplies will only raise costs across the board. And once again the middle class will pick up the tab.This behavior manipulation by elitists has got to stop.
YES!!!!!!
Quote from: taxed on October 03, 2010, 04:50:04 PM
I don't miss those days.
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Quote from: Indy on October 03, 2010, 05:18:58 PM
You all touched on some very good points. I think in addition we should once and for all open up drilling. Don't let the democrats force us to purchase oil from our enemies.I'm tired of the Obama's lending money to other countries petroleum industry.The idea that wind and solar, industries that have to be heavily subsidized by the government, are remotely a viable alternative is ludicrous.Yes, we do need to think ahead to the future, but cutting our energy supplies will only raise costs across the board. And once again the middle class will pick up the tab.This behavior manipulation by elitists has got to stop.
Ive read some great ideas in here, but this is the one that should take priority!
Well said my friend! 8)
Quote from: Solar on October 03, 2010, 05:27:38 PM
Ive read some great ideas in here, but this is the one that should take priority!
Well said my friend! 8)
Thanks Buddy, Gas and utility prises are my pet peeve. You own your own service to the customers door type of business so you can relate. When you have over half a dozen vans to fill it really effects your bottom line. I'm so sick of the governments manipulation of the oil industry to line their own pockets. They vilify a much needed product that is the life's blood of this country, and they make over ten times the profit for doing absolutely nothing. The regulatory fees in the price of a gallon of gas from the well head to the consumer is staggering.The uncertainty of not only this issue, but many mentioned will prevent me from hiring the extra crew next year. And I'm just one tiny privately owned business.I pray the Nov, elections put an end to this nonsense. This socialist Marxist has got to be stopped.
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on October 03, 2010, 06:24:17 PM
Better than the alternative, but not well enough.
The corporatist Democrats stick a knife in the necks of the true Progressives
who are the heart and soul of the party every chance they get. Still, most any step
toward progress is better than a return to the race to the bottom downward spiral
of the past thirty years. We are about to find that out (again) though,
as too many Americans aren't really smart enough to be trusted with self-governance.
Two steps forward is seemingly always followed by at least one step back.
Still, I'm not packing my bags for the Continent just yet. Maybe in 2013, but not yet.
Have you tried working?
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on October 03, 2010, 06:24:17 PM
Better than the alternative, but not well enough.
The corporatist Democrats stick a knife in the necks of the true Progressives
who are the heart and soul of the party every chance they get. Still, most any step
toward progress is better than a return to the race to the bottom downward spiral
of the past thirty years. We are about to find that out (again) though,
as too many Americans aren't really smart enough to be trusted with self-governance.
Two steps forward is seemingly always followed by at least one step back.
Still, I'm not packing my bags for the Continent just yet. Maybe in 2013, but not yet.
Why is it America always rebel against the Progressive agenda whenever it is on display?
Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 03, 2010, 06:31:37 PM
Why is it America always rebel against the Progressive agenda whenever it is on display?
I have a feeling Beau would have been there at the 10/2 rally...
Quote from: taxed on October 03, 2010, 06:33:50 PM
I have a feeling Beau would have been there at the 10/2 rally...
What he refuses to admit is the GOP helped ruin the country by acting like Progressives....
Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 03, 2010, 06:36:39 PM
What he refuses to admit is the GOP helped ruin the country by acting like Progressives....
That is always my question; what
conservative policy has ever hurt this country?
1. Put on the brakes on ALL SPENDING
2. Repeal health care
3. Address the problem with illegals COMPETENTLY, begin with a moratorium on ALL IMMIGRATION LAWS AND POLICY. This is a state security issue and should be bi partisan but of course the Dem are counting o the future "illegal" vote so lets foil 'em.
4. Energy, that means drilling, refining and developing new sources.
Billy
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on October 03, 2010, 06:24:17 PM
Better than the alternative, but not well enough.
The corporatist Democrats stick a knife in the necks of the true Progressives
who are the heart and soul of the party every chance they get. Still, most any step
toward progress is better than a return to the race to the bottom downward spiral
of the past thirty years. We are about to find that out (again) though,
as too many Americans aren't really smart enough to be trusted with self-governance.
Two steps forward is seemingly always followed by at least one step back.
Still, I'm not packing my bags for the Continent just yet. Maybe in 2013, but not yet.
Beau, I really hate to shatter your little reverie here, but I must ask, exactly when did the Party of Jefferson, become the party of progressives?
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on October 03, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
Other than genocide and slavery and segregation and Jim Crow and child labor
and second or lower class citizenship status for women, gays, lesbians, Blacks,
native Americans, Hispanics, Asians and the handicapped?
How about deregulating the S&L's?Or Wall Street? Or the fossil fuel industries? How about doing away with Social Security?
Or Medicare? How about tax laws that favor the rich and powerful and reward wealth over work?
Just about everything you pseudeconservatives scream for (or ever have) has been bad for America.
Right, thats why we were and probably still are the most powerful nation in the world, but hang on, we won't be for long then you'll be happy I suppose.
Billy
Quote from: bama_beau_redux on October 03, 2010, 07:15:28 PM
In the 20th century. It was in all the papers.
Never enough for my satisfaction, mind you.
I'm a truly Progressive individual capitalist.
I'm not claimimg to be a Democrat.
Never have been. Probably never will.
What is a Progressive Capitalist?
Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 03, 2010, 07:18:01 PM
What is a Progressive Capitalist?
One that uses only your money and not theres for everything. ;D
What do I want to happen...I want alot of things to happen, but im alot like crepe, first things first, I want the gop to take back the majority of both chambers. Unfortunately, I dont see alot happening unless that does happen and then you still have the veto pen to slow every change down.....
I want obama care repealed totally, I want bush tax cuts permanent, I want a realistic roll back of all the new spending obama has instituted...then a real look at the rest and a systematic approach to priortize what gets cut to lessen govt.
Long term nothing happens unless we change public education back to being education and not indoctrination and CUT THEIR BUDGETS IN HALF...
Quote from: Dan on October 03, 2010, 03:38:26 PM
Exactly! Remember that Obama is a stiff-necked ideologue with the veto pen. The self preservation instincts of guys like Ben Nelson will be needed to get us to veto proof majorities, but there is only so far the Ben Nelsons of the world are going move. That's why we can't expect to get too crazy before 2012.
Remember, the "Ben Nelsons of the world" have to do what the people who put them office want them to do. Again, I'll say, we have to have candidates who are willing to talk about what they actually want to do and who can say it so that people can understand it. Too often we put forth candidates who don't have the best verbal skills.
Quote from: Indy on October 03, 2010, 05:18:58 PM
You all touched on some very good points. I think in addition we should once and for all open up drilling. Don't let the democrats force us to purchase oil from our enemies.I'm tired of the Obama's lending money to other countries petroleum industry.The idea that wind and solar, industries that have to be heavily subsidized by the government, are remotely a viable alternative is ludicrous.Yes, we do need to think ahead to the future, but cutting our energy supplies will only raise costs across the board. And once again the middle class will pick up the tab.This behavior manipulation by elitists has got to stop.
That's a great idea! We have to have control of our own energy and not rely on other nation's. Open up all drilling; offshore and on land.
The quickest and most economical path towards energy independence is more nuclear power plants. Any serious discussion of the subject starts with nuclear power. ;)
Quote from: Dan on October 04, 2010, 06:55:28 AM
The quickest and most economical path towards energy independence is more nuclear power plants. Any serious discussion of the subject starts with nuclear power. ;)
Snip
"As of June 30, 2010 in 30 countries 438 nuclear power plant units with an installed electric net capacity of about 372 GW are in operation and 61 plants with an installed capacity of 59 GW are in 16 countries under construction."
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"As of end 2009 the total electricity production since 1951 amounts to 64,600 billion kWh. The cumulative operating experience amounted to 14,092 years by June 2010."
Nuclear power plants, world-wide (http://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/n/nuclear-power-plant-world-wide.htm)
Yet we sit on or ass.
Yep. We sit on our ass as the tree huggers on the left present us the false choice of only using the most expensive kwh alternative (renewable) while simultaneously bemoaning the loss of our manufacturing base.
Energy, labor and materials are your 3 main cost components to manufacturing. And the left is doing all it can to drive up the costs associated with energy and labor while trying to push through massive tax increases to boot.
Yet somehow they act surprised when businesses move operations overseas or keep capital on the sidelines. :o :D ::) :P
Quote from: Dan on October 04, 2010, 06:55:28 AM
The quickest and most economical path towards energy independence is more nuclear power plants. Any serious discussion of the subject starts with nuclear power. ;)
I'm on the side of nuclear power. My word, it's used in European countries and it has been for years. mr crepe worked at a nuclear power plant in Omaha before I met him which was close to 30 years ago.
Quote from: crepe05 on October 04, 2010, 07:40:56 AM
I'm on the side of nuclear power. My word, it's used in European countries and it has been for years. mr crepe worked at a nuclear power plant in Omaha before I met him which was close to 30 years ago.
Solar was the one who explained it to me. Hopefully he will weigh in on the matter because he can articulate it way better than me.
Quote from: Dan on October 04, 2010, 07:40:28 AM
Yep. We sit on our ass as the tree huggers on the left present us the false choice of only using the most expensive kwh alternative (renewable) while simultaneously bemoaning the loss of our manufacturing base.
Energy, labor and materials are your 3 main cost components to manufacturing. And the left is doing all it can to drive up the costs associated with energy and labor while trying to push through massive tax increases to boot.
Yet somehow they act surprised when businesses move operations overseas or keep capital on the sidelines. :o :D ::) :P
Now add to that, the ignorance of the Leftists in power.
They pushed for alternative energy, well fine, but they shot themselves in the foot, they have tied up the rare Earth minerals that are required in the manufacture of magnets in the wind turbines, the minerals that go into Solar panels, the batteries like Lithium Ion, another product that requires these minerals.
China produces 97% of these minerals.
Ours are locked up in mountain ranges and deserts across the Nation, areas that envirofreaks have made off limits, to mining, even foot traffic, all just to punish those that would dare cut down a tree for heat, or fish in the streams to feed their families.
Nuclear is essential, but it has so damned much red tape, it takes forever to get one built.
Oil, Coal, Shale, these are abundant in our Country, andthe left has all but tied them up.
For people to even think these morons have this Countries best interests in mind, is either a liar, or one of the stupidest and most gullible morons on the Planet.
Don't get me started on AGW, only an complete idiot would be unable to make the connection to the communist plot that is the environmental green movement.
Quote from: Solar on October 04, 2010, 07:59:44 AM
Nuclear is essential, but it has so damned much red tape, it takes forever to get one built.
When in power, the right ought to focus on cutting this red tape in the name of energy independence and reducing the need to spend american blood and treasure in the middle east.
Quote from: Solar on October 04, 2010, 07:59:44 AMOil, Coal, Shale, these are abundant in our Country, andthe left has all but tied them up.
Ditto. Economic security should be the key phrase we use when pushing to unlock our access to these resources in our own back yard. Not to mention talking about all the good paying jobs and royalty income and improved trade balance that will result from this activity.
The trade imbalance goes down. Unemployment goes down. The tax base in the country goes up. And we have less exposure to middle east political instability.
Other than a few wide-eyed leftist loons, exactly what is keeping us from exploiting US resources for US energy needs?